Now 28 More Copycat Killers Since Lindsay Clancy Murders (Page 2 of 4)
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She killed her kids and there is no excuse . She needs the needle but to act like this is a women problem is pants on head insane ChatGPT General Statistics on Filicide cases: FBI and Department of Justice data show an average of about 450 to 500 total filicide (parent-child homicide) incidents or arrests each year.The role of fathers: Research analyzing decades of FBI Supplementary Homicide Reports indicates that men commit roughly 60% of child murders by parents, making fathers somewhat more likely than mothers to be the perpetrator overall.Age differences: Mothers are statistically more likely to kill infants under the age of one, whereas fathers are more frequently responsible for the homicides of older children and teenagers, as well as cases involving older victims of fatal abuse.Methods: Studies show that men are disproportionately responsible for filicides involving firearms or severe physical beatings |
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holy fuck!!! question tho - is that the normal run rate of mothers murdering their kids, or an anomoly / spike? seems like this has been going on a long time as I recall cases like this from 30+ years ago.. just going on quietly under the radar since the closure of insane asylums? |
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Originally Posted By SnoopisTDI: How quickly we've gone from "I can do anything you can do(better)" to "but muh hormones." |
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Originally Posted By Wyominer: She killed her kids and there is no excuse . She needs the needle but to act like this is a women problem is pants on head insane ChatGPT General Statistics on Filicide cases: FBI and Department of Justice data show an average of about 450 to 500 total filicide (parent-child homicide) incidents or arrests each year.The role of fathers: Research analyzing decades of FBI Supplementary Homicide Reports indicates that men commit roughly 60% of child murders by parents, making fathers somewhat more likely than mothers to be the perpetrator overall.Age differences: Mothers are statistically more likely to kill infants under the age of one, whereas fathers are more frequently responsible for the homicides of older children and teenagers, as well as cases involving older victims of fatal abuse.Methods: Studies show that men are disproportionately responsible for filicides involving firearms or severe physical beatings Can ChatGPT parse out the data with regards to biological versus non biological children? |
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Originally Posted By Wyominer: She killed her kids and there is no excuse . She needs the needle but to act like this is a women problem is pants on head insane ChatGPT General Statistics on Filicide cases: FBI and Department of Justice data show an average of about 450 to 500 total filicide (parent-child homicide) incidents or arrests each year.The role of fathers: Research analyzing decades of FBI Supplementary Homicide Reports indicates that men commit roughly 60% of child murders by parents, making fathers somewhat more likely than mothers to be the perpetrator overall.Age differences: Mothers are statistically more likely to kill infants under the age of one, whereas fathers are more frequently responsible for the homicides of older children and teenagers, as well as cases involving older victims of fatal abuse.Methods: Studies show that men are disproportionately responsible for filicides involving firearms or severe physical beatings Originally Posted By Wyominer: She killed her kids and there is no excuse . She needs the needle but to act like this is a women problem is pants on head insane ChatGPT General Statistics on Filicide cases: FBI and Department of Justice data show an average of about 450 to 500 total filicide (parent-child homicide) incidents or arrests each year.The role of fathers: Research analyzing decades of FBI Supplementary Homicide Reports indicates that men commit roughly 60% of child murders by parents, making fathers somewhat more likely than mothers to be the perpetrator overall.Age differences: Mothers are statistically more likely to kill infants under the age of one, whereas fathers are more frequently responsible for the homicides of older children and teenagers, as well as cases involving older victims of fatal abuse.Methods: Studies show that men are disproportionately responsible for filicides involving firearms or severe physical beatings I copy/pasted your ChatGPT post and this is what came up: Yes — I would be very cautious about accepting that post as written. It mixes some legitimate research findings with claims that are either oversimplified or not supported by the source it appears to be drawing from. What checks out A major 2014 study analyzed FBI Supplementary Homicide Reports covering 1976–2007. After the authors corrected a data-processing error, the study involved roughly 15,961 filicide arrests over 32 years. The corrected paper reports an average of about 490 filicides per year, with roughly 537 annually in 1991–1995 and 445 in 2001–2005. So the “450–500 per year” figure has a legitimate basis—but it is historical arrest data, not a current annual FBI count. S ScienceDirect +1 The same study found that fathers were about as likely as mothers to kill infants. That is actually contrary to a simplistic claim that fathers are generally more likely to kill children. S ScienceDirect There are differences by victim age and offender characteristics, but they are more complicated than the post makes them sound. A newer analysis of U.S. pediatric homicides using 1976–2020 FBI data found that family members were the most common perpetrators for children ages 0–12, whereas acquaintances accounted for the majority of adolescent homicides. P PubMed The “men commit roughly 60%” claim needs scrutiny I would not repeat that as an established FBI statistic without seeing the specific study being cited. The large 1976–2007 filicide study does show sex differences, but the statement “men commit roughly 60% of child murders by parents” isn't an accurate summary of its principal finding. In particular, for infants—the largest victim category—51% of offenders were female and 49% male after the correction. S ScienceDirect So if someone presents “60% fathers” as though that's simply the FBI's number for filicide, that's misleading. The firearms statement is particularly easy to misinterpret There is a substantial sex difference in firearm use in pediatric homicide research, but that doesn't mean that “fathers are disproportionately responsible for child murders” in general. The newer 1976–2020 study found that firearm involvement has increased substantially, reaching 53.1% of homicides involving children ages 5–12 and 88.5% involving adolescents in 2016–2020. Those figures concern pediatric homicide generally, not specifically filicide by fathers. P PubMed That's an important distinction. And there's a major terminology problem Filicide ≠ all child murder. Filicide generally means killing one's own child, with research definitions sometimes including a stepparent or parental figure. Child homicide is broader and includes killings by strangers, acquaintances, siblings, other relatives, etc. P PubMed So a statement can be numerically correct for all pediatric homicide but completely wrong if someone uses it to characterize parental filicide. My bottom line I'd rate the quoted post as “partly accurate, but misleading.” The strongest correction I'd make is: The FBI data do not support the simple conclusion that fathers are generally responsible for about 60% of filicides. The best-known large U.S. filicide study found roughly 490 filicide arrests per year over 1976–2007, and, notably, fathers and mothers were approximately equal among offenders when the victim was an infant. More recent FBI research on pediatric homicide shows substantial differences by victim age and increasing firearm involvement, but those data include homicides committed by people who were not parents. There's also a fascinating wrinkle: the original 2014 paper initially reported 94,146 cases, but that number was wrong because of a data-processing error. The authors subsequently issued a correction saying the actual sample was about 15,961, and that the error did not change the study's substantive conclusions. S ScienceDirect If you want, I can dig into the actual FBI data and the major academic studies and give you the male-vs.-female filicide numbers by the child's age (infant, 1–5, 6–12, teenager). That would be a much better way to answer the underlying question than relying on that ChatGPT post. ChatGPT seems to doubt itself. |
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Originally Posted By Axehund: Regardless of statistical trends this weighs heavy on me. I do wonder how common such things where in the past, at least with civilized non human sacrifice societies. Well Rome they left babies outside the walls of the city to die. One of their earliest complaints against first century Christians was that they would save the babies. |
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Once you accept that murdering babies is fine right up to birth, it's a very small step to murdering them afterwards. Society has always given a pass to females that murder their children. A little punishment maybe but it's excused off as she has mental issues and couldn't help it because society failed them. [of course, nothing is STILL their fault but ''someone else's] Women that root for abortion are defective and to be stayed away from as the evil psycho they are. Men need to wake up to that fact. [and you don't get a pass either] |
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I truly believe this: There was the life we knew on 9/10/2001 - and then after 9/11, everything changed. There was the life we knew in January of 2020 - and then after March, everything changed. COVID, and everything that has happened as a result, has broken the West. We are seeing a world that has been flipped upside-down, where good is evil and evil is good. Where laws are wicked, and the wicked becomes law. Where women kill their own children to gain the freedom they'll ultimately lose. Nothing makes sense. People say they're afraid that the End is near - but the truth is, I think it's already here. Take care of each other |
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Originally Posted By fxntime: Once you accept that murdering babies is fine right up to birth, it's a very small step to murdering them afterwards. Society has always given a pass to females that murder their children. A little punishment maybe but it's excused off as she has mental issues and couldn't help it because society failed them. [of course, nothing is STILL their fault but ''someone else's] Women that root for abortion are defective and to be stayed away from as the evil psycho they are. Men need to wake up to that fact. [and you don't get a pass either] This . Natural progression for the baby killers . |
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Originally Posted By AgeOne: Chatgibbity gives you the answer your asking it for. Originally Posted By AgeOne: Originally Posted By tree-hugger: I copy/pasted your ChatGPT post and this is what came up: ChatGPT seems to doubt itself. Chatgibbity gives you the answer your asking it for. I gave it no such 'coaching'. But it does always spin things toward making you feel good about your inquiries. I believe that is to slowly get the human to warm up to it and eventually accept its warped truth as accurate truth. I know it's the devil leading us down a dark path. |
"Some of the greatest dads I've ever seen weren't so much perfect as they were willing to work hard to overcome their failings. Does that make sense?"
Yes. Yes it does.
Yes. Yes it does.
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How many of those women were on SSRIs and other meds with warning labels about suicidal thoughts and actions. I firmly belief any med that has a side effect of suicide can also have a homicide side affect, it isn't much different. I think this could be at least contributing to all this, if not causal. Those drugs change brain chemistry with a try it and see mode of administration. Science does not really understand what these meds do to the individual brain. Also the 24 hr news cycle of tragedy from all around the world is not good for people. Neither is the political hype in this country. Combine the 3 and it must have a negative effect on people's brains and IMO may very well be causal to these people killing their kids. I think a lot of these drugs are pure poison. |
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Originally Posted By tree-hugger: I copy/pasted your ChatGPT post and this is what came up: ChatGPT seems to doubt itself. Yeah keep pushing it to narrow down the data and confirm it. The first answer it gives is usually shit. What I posted was what I got after several back and forths. |
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Originally Posted By Axehund: Regardless of statistical trends this weighs heavy on me. I do wonder how common such things where in the past, at least with civilized non human sacrifice societies. I remember reading that infanticide would have been much more common in the distant past. The main reason was a child was another mouth to feed in a time of near-famine. Is it just me, or do all of those women appear to be plain looking? Unattractive or bland in appearance? The Clancy woman looks like the lights are on but no one is home. |
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Originally Posted By Notrega: Yeah keep pushing it to narrow down the data and confirm it. The first answer it gives is usually shit. What I posted was what I got after several back and forths. Originally Posted By Notrega: Originally Posted By tree-hugger: I copy/pasted your ChatGPT post and this is what came up: ChatGPT seems to doubt itself. Yeah keep pushing it to narrow down the data and confirm it. The first answer it gives is usually shit. What I posted was what I got after several back and forths. Understood. 
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"Some of the greatest dads I've ever seen weren't so much perfect as they were willing to work hard to overcome their failings. Does that make sense?"
Yes. Yes it does.
Yes. Yes it does.
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Originally Posted By Mach: How many of those women were on SSRIs and other meds with warning labels about suicidal thoughts and actions. I firmly belief any med that has a side effect of suicide can also have a homicide side affect, it isn't much different. I think this could be at least contributing to all this, if not causal. Those drugs change brain chemistry with a try it and see mode of administration. Science does not really understand what these meds do to the individual brain. Also the 24 hr news cycle of tragedy from all around the world is not good for people. Neither is the political hype in this country. Combine the 3 and it must have a negative effect on people's brains and IMO may very well be causal to these people killing their kids. I think a lot of these drugs are pure poison. 10% [or so] of American females 20-30s are on SSRI's and up to 20% are on them when you go up to around 50%. Marriage material [or mother material] they are not. Doesn't make them bad people but it doesn't make them LTR/marriage acceptable either. FWIW, it's easier to drug them then give them the hard truths and tell them to work on themselves because drugs alone don't fix issues unless it's an actual chemical imbalance in the brain, drugs can't fix societal brainwashing. |
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Women have committed suicide for attention in droves, so nothing surprises me anymore about them. This historic account blames a curse, but I think they were just jealous of how much attention the previous dead girls got. Threatening to carry them naked thru town ended it….but that wouldnt work today as modesty is dead overall. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By fishing_cabin: I'm also curious to know. I don't remember another woman, say Susan Smith that did similar get so much attention. Originally Posted By fishing_cabin: Originally Posted By Morgan321: How does the rate of moms killing their children now compared to before Clancy became mainstream news? I'm also curious to know. I don't remember another woman, say Susan Smith that did similar get so much attention. When Susan Smith was revealed as a murderer the media and anyone else treated her as a murdering piece of shit. Today, child killing women are treated much differently mostly due to the Marxist controlled women groups and tangentially, their hatred of Trump. Anything Trump supports must be hated and destroyed by the marxists, even if it’s children. Any strike out against Trump, no matter how violent, repulsive or murderous it is, is fully acceptable. |
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Originally Posted By Gingerbreadman: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/145837/7pciMVC_jpeg-3819472.JPG Originally Posted By Gingerbreadman: Originally Posted By SnoopisTDI: How quickly we've gone from "I can do anything you can do(better)" to "but muh hormones." |
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Originally Posted By Notrega: I asked ChatGPT to do a nationwide public-source analysis of maternal child murders, comparing the exact same 1,313-day period before and after Lindsay Clancy became a national story on January 25, 2023. I did not require a mental-health issue or suicide component for a case to count I simply looked for mothers who intentionally killed their children, including murder-suicides, and counted the actual children killed as well as incidents. ChatGPT found 13 maternal child-murder incidents involving 29 children killed in the 1,313 days before Clancy became nationally known, compared with 31 incidents involving 54 children killed in the identical 1,313 days afterward. ChatGPT also found a suicide component in 12 of the 13 pre-Clancy incidents versus 19 of 31 post-Clancy incidents; successful maternal suicide occurred in 10 pre-Clancy cases versus 13 afterward, while attempted-but-unsuccessful suicide occurred in 2 versus 6. There were also 2 surviving children injured/targeted in the pre-period and 8 in the post-period. So, looking strictly at the publicly identifiable cases, ChatGPT found a substantial increase in both the number of maternal child-murder incidents and the number of children killed after January 25, 2023. MATERNAL CHILD MURDER PRE vs. POST CLANCY PRE-CLANCY NATIONAL ATTENTION June 22, 2019 January 24, 2023 [1,313 days] DATE MOTHER STATE Killed | Injured/Attempted | Mother's Suicide 06/2019 Melissa Partee MI Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 10/31/2019 Ashley Auzenne TX Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 12/25/2019 Erin Pascal MA Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 04/2020 Unnamed mother TX Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/11/2020 Brittany Tucker LA Killed: 4 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 12/08/2020 Oreanna Myers WV Killed: 5 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 04/11/2021 Liliana Carrillo CA Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 02/24/2022 Nicole Strother GA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 03/20/2022 Andrea Langhorst FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 07/27/2022 Sonia Loja CT Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 08/2022 Leandra Andrade VA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 11/10/2022 Jennifer Prescott TX Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 2022 Unnamed mother MI Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted PRE-CLANCY TOTALS: Incidents: 13 Children killed: 29 Children injured/attempted: 0 Mother suicide: 12 Successful: 10 Attempted: 2 POST-CLANCY NATIONAL ATTENTION January 25, 2023 August 30, 2026 [1,313 days] DATE MOTHER STATE Killed | Injured/Attempted | Mother's Suicide 03/03/2023 Shamaiya Hall TX Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 2 | Suicide: No 04/10/2023 Ruth DiRienzo-Whitehead PA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 06/25/2023 Alondra Hobbs GA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 07/17/2023 Patricia Sylvester TN Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 1 | Suicide: Attempted 07/20/2023 Brandy McCaslin OK Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 07/27/2023 Tracy Bondurant IN Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 08/2023 Brandy Hutchins FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 12/12/2023 Naomi Briner IN Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 01/17/2024 Andrea Alarcon NJ Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 02/02/2024 Shirlene Alcime FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 02/18/2024 Makyla Lacey-Robinson WI Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 03/27/2024 Janet Garcia WA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 04/2024 Bernadine Pruessner MO Killed: 4 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/2024 Naomi Elkins NJ Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 08/20/2024 Jennifer Paez MA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 01/2025 Chantell Gardner IN Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 03/19/2025 Saritha Ramaraju CA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 05/18/2025 Rhonda Paulynice FL Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 07/2025 Surah Amon IL Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 07/01/2025 Gbemisola Akayinode TX Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 2025 Nia Williams FL Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 08/18/2025 Emily Long NH Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 02/26/2026 Monika Rubacha FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 04/24/2026 Janette MacAusland MA Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 05/27/2026 Marine Basmajian CA Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/2026 Sarah Myers NY Killed: 4 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/2026 Chardonnay Benavidez OR Killed: 0 | Injured/Attempted: 3 | Suicide: Attempted 07/03/2026 Unnamed Houston mother TX Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful TRIAL STARTS 07/29/2026 Deja Coleman GA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 08/2026 Andrea Faust NC Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 1 | Suicide: Attempted 08/06/2026 Kailey Erhart ND Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 1 | Suicide: Attempted POST-CLANCY TOTALS: Incidents: 31 Children killed: 54 Children injured/attempted: 8 Mother suicide: 19 Successful: 13 Attempted: 6 BOTTOM LINE Pre-Clancy: 13 incidents 29 children killed Post-Clancy: 31 incidents 54 children killed Increase: +18 incidents +25 children killed Mother suicide: Pre: 12 of 13 Post: 19 of 31 Successful maternal suicide: Pre: 10 Post: 13 Attempted maternal suicide: Pre: 2 Post: 6 |
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Originally Posted By dirtyboy: Shocked it wasn't all white women. You are a racist and so is my wife. How you guys can see things in thatracist view is beyond me. Nothing is restricted to race, we've been together too long. anything that happens white happens black and vice versa. We may have cultural differences in general but there are blacks who grow up white and whites who grow up black where anything one has the other has. As soon as she said I'll bet it's all white women, I said no, it's all liberals. |
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Originally Posted By tree-hugger: I gave it no such 'coaching'. But it does always spin things toward making you feel good about your inquiries. I believe that is to slowly get the human to warm up to it and eventually accept its warped truth as accurate truth. I know it's the devil leading us down a dark path. Didn't mean to imply you coached it. Everyone involved in training it coached it. Its "simple answer" is always the one least likely to insite a negative reaction. In this case it blamed 60% of filicide directly on father when its probably 30/30 with the reminder being both parents or males that aren't the father. So it took those males and addee them to "father" group. Giving 60%. |
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Originally Posted By BFskinner: That is data but it isn't the same as a statistical analysis across a sufficiently long time frame to determine if it is a meaningful effect (in statistical terms) or just natural variance. Originally Posted By BFskinner: Originally Posted By Notrega: I asked ChatGPT to do a nationwide public-source analysis of maternal child murders, comparing the exact same 1,313-day period before and after Lindsay Clancy became a national story on January 25, 2023. I did not require a mental-health issue or suicide component for a case to count I simply looked for mothers who intentionally killed their children, including murder-suicides, and counted the actual children killed as well as incidents. ChatGPT found 13 maternal child-murder incidents involving 29 children killed in the 1,313 days before Clancy became nationally known, compared with 31 incidents involving 54 children killed in the identical 1,313 days afterward. That's an increase of 18 incidents, or about 138%, and 25 child deaths, or about 86%. ChatGPT also found a suicide component in 12 of the 13 pre-Clancy incidents versus 19 of 31 post-Clancy incidents; successful maternal suicide occurred in 10 pre-Clancy cases versus 13 afterward, while attempted-but-unsuccessful suicide occurred in 2 versus 6. There were also 2 surviving children injured/targeted in the pre-period and 8 in the post-period. So, looking strictly at the publicly identifiable cases, ChatGPT found a substantial increase in both the number of maternal child-murder incidents and the number of children killed after January 25, 2023. MATERNAL CHILD MURDER PRE vs. POST CLANCY PRE-CLANCY NATIONAL ATTENTION June 22, 2019 January 24, 2023 [1,313 days] DATE MOTHER STATE Killed | Injured/Attempted | Mother's Suicide 06/2019 Melissa Partee MI Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 10/31/2019 Ashley Auzenne TX Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 12/25/2019 Erin Pascal MA Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 04/2020 Unnamed mother TX Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/11/2020 Brittany Tucker LA Killed: 4 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 12/08/2020 Oreanna Myers WV Killed: 5 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 04/11/2021 Liliana Carrillo CA Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 02/24/2022 Nicole Strother GA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 03/20/2022 Andrea Langhorst FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 07/27/2022 Sonia Loja CT Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 08/2022 Leandra Andrade VA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 11/10/2022 Jennifer Prescott TX Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 2022 Unnamed mother MI Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted PRE-CLANCY TOTALS: Incidents: 13 Children killed: 29 Children injured/attempted: 0 Mother suicide: 12 Successful: 10 Attempted: 2 POST-CLANCY NATIONAL ATTENTION January 25, 2023 August 30, 2026 [1,313 days] DATE MOTHER STATE Killed | Injured/Attempted | Mother's Suicide 03/03/2023 Shamaiya Hall TX Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 2 | Suicide: No 04/10/2023 Ruth DiRienzo-Whitehead PA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 06/25/2023 Alondra Hobbs GA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 07/17/2023 Patricia Sylvester TN Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 1 | Suicide: Attempted 07/20/2023 Brandy McCaslin OK Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 07/27/2023 Tracy Bondurant IN Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 08/2023 Brandy Hutchins FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 12/12/2023 Naomi Briner IN Killed: 3 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 01/17/2024 Andrea Alarcon NJ Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 02/02/2024 Shirlene Alcime FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 02/18/2024 Makyla Lacey-Robinson WI Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 03/27/2024 Janet Garcia WA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 04/2024 Bernadine Pruessner MO Killed: 4 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/2024 Naomi Elkins NJ Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 08/20/2024 Jennifer Paez MA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 01/2025 Chantell Gardner IN Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 03/19/2025 Saritha Ramaraju CA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 05/18/2025 Rhonda Paulynice FL Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 07/2025 Surah Amon IL Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 07/01/2025 Gbemisola Akayinode TX Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 2025 Nia Williams FL Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 08/18/2025 Emily Long NH Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 02/26/2026 Monika Rubacha FL Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 04/24/2026 Janette MacAusland MA Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Attempted 05/27/2026 Marine Basmajian CA Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/2026 Sarah Myers NY Killed: 4 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful 06/2026 Chardonnay Benavidez OR Killed: 0 | Injured/Attempted: 3 | Suicide: Attempted 07/03/2026 Unnamed Houston mother TX Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: Successful TRIAL STARTS 07/29/2026 Deja Coleman GA Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 0 | Suicide: No 08/2026 Andrea Faust NC Killed: 1 | Injured/Attempted: 1 | Suicide: Attempted 08/06/2026 Kailey Erhart ND Killed: 2 | Injured/Attempted: 1 | Suicide: Attempted POST-CLANCY TOTALS: Incidents: 31 Children killed: 54 Children injured/attempted: 8 Mother suicide: 19 Successful: 13 Attempted: 6 BOTTOM LINE Pre-Clancy: 13 incidents 29 children killed Post-Clancy: 31 incidents 54 children killed Increase: +18 incidents (+138%) +25 children killed (+86%) Mother suicide: Pre: 12 of 13 Post: 19 of 31 Successful maternal suicide: Pre: 10 Post: 13 Attempted maternal suicide: Pre: 2 Post: 6 That is data but it isn't the same as a statistical analysis across a sufficiently long time frame to determine if it is a meaningful effect (in statistical terms) or just natural variance. What is really shows is that cases like this are not uncommon and may* be increasing. *Controlling for better news coverage and attention is not easy. My editorial opinion is that this particular instance seemed to have whatever is necessary to grab headlines and be a stake in the culture war, not that its so unheard of. To state that these are "copycat" crimes is disingenuous. Institutionalization needs to be brought back. This idea that crazy people should live amongst us is asinine and dangerous. Also this idea that if someone is crazy enough we can't punish them, is even more ridiculous. |
"This is a free country, and I have the permits, background checks, licenses, and tax receipts to prove it." --Zippster (4/10/13)
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Originally Posted By AgeOne: Didn't mean to imply you coached it. Everyone involved in training it coached it. Its "simple answer" is always the one least likely to insite a negative reaction. In this case it blamed 60% of filicide directly on father when its probably 30/30 with the reminder being both parents or males that aren't the father. So it took those males and addee them to "father" group. Giving 60%. Originally Posted By AgeOne: Originally Posted By tree-hugger: I gave it no such 'coaching'. But it does always spin things toward making you feel good about your inquiries. I believe that is to slowly get the human to warm up to it and eventually accept its warped truth as accurate truth. I know it's the devil leading us down a dark path. Didn't mean to imply you coached it. Everyone involved in training it coached it. Its "simple answer" is always the one least likely to insite a negative reaction. In this case it blamed 60% of filicide directly on father when its probably 30/30 with the reminder being both parents or males that aren't the father. So it took those males and addee them to "father" group. Giving 60%. Understood. All Good.
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"Some of the greatest dads I've ever seen weren't so much perfect as they were willing to work hard to overcome their failings. Does that make sense?"
Yes. Yes it does.
Yes. Yes it does.
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Originally Posted By AgeOne: You don't murder your source of free gov bennies. Originally Posted By AgeOne: Originally Posted By dawg23: Anyone else notice that the vast majority of the killers are white ?? You don't murder your source of free gov bennies. SNAP! |
"Some of the greatest dads I've ever seen weren't so much perfect as they were willing to work hard to overcome their failings. Does that make sense?"
Yes. Yes it does.
Yes. Yes it does.
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Originally Posted By fishing_cabin: I'm also curious to know. I don't remember another woman, say Susan Smith that did similar get so much attention. Originally Posted By fishing_cabin: Originally Posted By Morgan321: How does the rate of moms killing their children now compared to before Clancy became mainstream news? I'm also curious to know. I don't remember another woman, say Susan Smith that did similar get so much attention. Andrea Yates got a lot of attention at the time, but that was before social media. |
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Originally Posted By AgeOne: You don't murder your source of free gov bennies. Originally Posted By AgeOne: Originally Posted By dawg23: Anyone else notice that the vast majority of the killers are white ?? You don't murder your source of free gov bennies. |
Everything posted above is factual. Maybe.
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Originally Posted By buck19delta: Women have committed suicide for attention in droves, so nothing surprises me anymore about them. This historic account blames a curse, but I think they were just jealous of how much attention the previous dead girls got. Threatening to carry them naked thru town ended it .but that wouldnt work today as modesty is dead overall. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/92687/IMG_9086_png-3819494.JPG Thanks for the post. Plutarch makes for good study. 
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"This is a free country, and I have the permits, background checks, licenses, and tax receipts to prove it." --Zippster (4/10/13)
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Originally Posted By AgeOne: However, we've never seen and never will see other men supporting a man who murderd a child. Originally Posted By AgeOne: Originally Posted By Windustsearch: Now do a search on men killing off their kids... It's both. However, we've never seen and never will see other men supporting a man who murderd a child. |
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