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Posted: 2/22/2024 1:40:05 PM EDT
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Whatever one thinks of Hamilton he has shown no issues at all with highly competitive teammates. Bottas was probably the weakest. He was unmoved by Alonso, and Rosberg, and it's quite apparent those relationships were strained. Russell is excellent and Hamilton just gets on with it.
He's going to Ferrari against Leclerc (held his own against Seb) with no qualms. He's a true sportsman in that respect. |
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Posted: 2/22/2024 2:34:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Esterhase: Whatever one thinks of Hamilton he has shown no issues at all with highly competitive teammates. Bottas was probably the weakest. He was unmoved by Alonso, and Rosberg, and it's quite apparent those relationships were strained. Russell is excellent and Hamilton just gets on with it. He's going to Ferrari against Leclerc (held his own against Seb) with no qualms. He's a true sportsman in that respect. Ya....we'll see what the reality is with Ferrari. |
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Posted: 2/22/2024 4:31:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Shung]
[#3]
the cars have improved so much. its crazy - we will see (prolly only next saturday) if the Rb19-20 had the same margin for progression
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Posted: 2/22/2024 5:56:48 PM EDT
[#4]
Great photos at the link below from day 2 of testing.
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/fotos-f1-test-bahrain-2024-tag-2-highlights-bilder/ |
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Posted: 2/22/2024 6:25:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/22/2024 6:26:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: Great photos at the link below from day 2 of testing. https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/fotos-f1-test-bahrain-2024-tag-2-highlights-bilder/ Photos 84-93 are really great. Very nice comparison of each car from the rear. |
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Posted: 2/22/2024 6:41:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: Great photos at the link below from day 2 of testing. https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/fotos-f1-test-bahrain-2024-tag-2-highlights-bilder/ Truly amazing the amount of aero complexity and refinement in these cars. Aerodynamically busy is about the only way to describe them! |
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Posted: 2/22/2024 6:59:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Shung]
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tobysi:
wasnt this said last night? did you watch the tests today ? testing today dont make me doubt that RB20 is still the car to beat, but instead of scaring me, it gave me some hope. forget about the fastest lap. but looking at the long runs, the SF-24 doesnt seem to have its older sister fatal flaw... aka tire deg..  C2 is going to be the medium/yellow next week... same with C1, no deg the SF-23 was fast but could never even dream of such constant pace |
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Posted: 2/22/2024 7:06:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: wasnt this said last night? did you watch the tests today ? testing today dont make me doubt that RB20 is still the car to beat, but instead of scaring me, it gave me some hope. forget about the fastest lap. but looking at the long runs, the SF-24 doesnt seem to have its older sister fatal flaw... aka tire deg.. https://i23.servimg.com/u/f23/11/94/71/06/image_12.png C2 is going to be the medium/yellow next week... No those were posted today. Feb 22nd. |
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Posted: 2/22/2024 7:13:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Shung]
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tobysi: No those were posted today. Feb 22nd. posted yes, but said when ? to me it seems things that people said this morning after 1 day of testing before the tests today not to mention that Perez had several reliability things today. oh well, lets see what happens next saturday |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2024 7:49:18 PM EDT
[#11]
Shung you literally can't make any assumptions with Perez in the car. It has been shown time and time again he's a mediocre driver in a very fast car.
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Posted: 2/22/2024 8:57:17 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: Shung you literally can't make any assumptions with Perez in the car. It has been shown time and time again he's a mediocre driver in a very fast car. This isn’t what I am doing at all. I’m looking at the SF-24 race pace and (no) tire deg compared to the sf-23 race pace and the ver RB-19 race pace from last year. |
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Posted: 2/22/2024 9:02:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RRA_223]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: I haven't looked at the stats but I would guess Checo and Bottas compare fairly closely in percentage of poles and wins. Checo has 5 wins, 3 poles and 25 podiums in his best three years with RBR (out of 66 races) - call it a 7.6% win percentage. Bottas ran with Merc for 5 years. He best three average was 9 wins, 14 poles and 39 podiums (out of 58 races). His overall win rate over the 5 years at Mercedes was 10 wins in 101 races, or an even 10%. Bottas was clearly a superior wingman and a more competitive team mate overall (though he had two shit years). Max has a 37% win rate and poled 22% of the time with Red Bull (full seasons). Lewis was winning almost one of every two races (46%) from 2013 to 2021 - and he only won once in the first season. |
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Posted: 2/22/2024 9:04:55 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRA_223: Checo has 5 wins, 3 poles and 25 podiums in his best three years with RBR (out of 66 races) - call it a 7.6% win percentage. Bottas ran with Merc for 5 years. He best three average was 9 wins, 14 poles and 39 podiums (out of 58 races). His overall win rate over the 5 years at Mercedes was 10 wins in 101 races, or an even 10%. Bottas was clearly a superior wingman and a more competitive team mate overall (though he had two shit years). Max has a 37% win rate and poled 22% of the time with Red Bull (full seasons). Lewis was winning almost one of every two races (46%) from 2013 to 2021 - and he only won once in the first season. Yeah. But as Alonso once said he once finished 2nd in a two cars championship  |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/23/2024 1:10:23 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: This isn’t what I am doing at all. I’m looking at the SF-24 race pace and (no) tire deg compared to the sf-23 race pace and the ver RB-19 race pace from last year. It’s good if Ferrari has finally fixed their tire deg issue, but other than that, comparing the SF-24 pace to the RB-19 doesn’t mean much (unless you’re comparing it to the VCARB car, which is the RB-19). What matters is the pace to the RB-20. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 7:39:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Shung]
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: It’s good if Ferrari has finally fixed their tire deg issue, but other than that, comparing the SF-24 pace to the RB-19 doesn’t mean much (unless you’re comparing it to the VCARB car, which is the RB-19). What matters is the pace to the RB-20. Well it shows the progression. This afternoon with leclerc and Verstappen on track we will have more clues, but no evidence. But if Verstappen being ahead on Monday was enough to say it’s over then w hat has yet happened in d2 and d3 is equally as relevant |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 10:09:57 AM EDT
[#17]
What is it with Ferrari and drain covers? Do they have a secret drain cover magnet under their floor? They must have have some weird underbody aerodynamics that sucks up covers.
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:17:42 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: What is it with Ferrari and drain covers? Do they have a secret drain cover magnet under their floor? They must have have some weird underbody aerodynamics that sucks up covers. One was removed by Pérez |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:19:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Shung]
[#19]
Leclerc race pace in C2 is impressive so far
Mmmmm just raised a little bit 35.8 - 36.2 in that bracket for many many laps |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:24:52 AM EDT
[#20]
Red Bull and Verstappen hiding for sure right now
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:27:45 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: Red Bull and Verstappen hiding for sure right now Hiding what? Not sure what you mean? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:45:25 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chaas67: Hiding what? Not sure what you mean? All of the top teams are hiding the true pace that their cars are capable of. In other words, sandbagging. In some cases, it’s just working through their testing programs building up to their true fastest pace. In other cases, it’s playing head games with other teams. Usually a combination of both. Won’t see where they really are until the first race. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:50:32 AM EDT
[#23]
F1TV is showing use of the C5. Is that correct?
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:52:14 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chaas67: Hiding what? Not sure what you mean? Not being on track with the same tires/fuel loads to not show what they have |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:53:10 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: F1TV is showing use of the C5. Is that correct? C5 was used by leclerc to make fastest lap way earlier in the day |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:56:10 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: C5 was used by leclerc to make fastest lap way earlier in the day Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: Originally Posted By fike: F1TV is showing use of the C5. Is that correct? C5 was used by leclerc to make fastest lap way earlier in the day Kind of a strange choice for this track. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:06:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: All of the top teams are hiding the true pace that their cars are capable of. In other words, sandbagging. In some cases, it’s just working through their testing programs building up to their true fastest pace. In other cases, it’s playing head games with other teams. Usually a combination of both. Won’t see where they really are until the first race. Got it - assumed that’s what was meant. Since I’m not watching it, i thought there might be some drama brewing 😬 |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:06:30 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: Not being on track with the same tires/fuel loads to not show what they have 👍 |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:25:16 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Kind of a strange choice for this track. Yes. It’s very abrasive. C4 was arguably faster. Maybe another way to hide stuff |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:39:21 PM EDT
[#30]
Verstappen didn’t complete his race pace sim because of technical issues apparently
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Posted: 2/23/2024 3:07:01 PM EDT
[#31]
I’m really glad they replaced Will Buxton with Danica Patrick for this season of DTS.
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Posted: 2/23/2024 3:11:36 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: I’m really glad they replaced Will Buxton with Danica Patrick for this season of DTS. wut |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 3:16:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: chaas67]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: I’m really glad they replaced Will Buxton with Danica Patrick for this season of DTS. I guess the latest season just released on Netflix? Based on your comment, i won’t be watching it after all. It’s one of the reasons I have a F1TV subscription. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 3:24:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fike]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chaas67: I guess the latest season just released on Netflix? Based on your comment, i won’t be watching it after all. It’s one of the reasons I have a F1TV subscription. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chaas67: Originally Posted By fike: I’m really glad they replaced Will Buxton with Danica Patrick for this season of DTS. I guess the latest season just released on Netflix? Based on your comment, i won’t be watching it after all. It’s one of the reasons I have a F1TV subscription. Released today. Danica doesn’t show up a lot, but it’s a couple of times per episode as a “talking head”. Buxton is still doing it as well. Honestly, the first episode sucks as it is all about the Strolls. I’m watching the Mercedes episode now and it’s actually decent/interesting. ETA: Ehhh….skip it. It sucks. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 3:51:33 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Released today. Danica doesn’t show up a lot, but it’s a couple of times per episode as a “talking head”. Buxton is still doing it as well. Honestly, the first episode sucks as it is all about the Strolls. I’m watching the Mercedes episode now and it’s actually decent/interesting. ETA: Ehhh….skip it. It sucks. Hearing that Lewis threw the Engineering Department under the bus at Merc. I get the feeling there is going to be a epic amount of bad blood between him and Merc for this season. Toto should just tell him to fuck off and put in Mic for the season. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 6:09:47 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: Hearing that Lewis threw the Engineering Department under the bus at Merc. I get the feeling there is going to be a epic amount of bad blood between him and Merc for this season. Toto should just tell him to fuck off and put in Mic for the season. I suspect “you guys didn’t listen to me” is a big part of him going to Ferrari. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 6:40:09 PM EDT
[#37]
They make DeVries seem like a serial killer between the neurotically clean apartment and commentary
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Posted: 2/23/2024 6:50:09 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d: I suspect "you guys didn't listen to me" is a big part of him going to Ferrari. 
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Posted: 2/23/2024 6:52:16 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tifosi: If that's the case, damn, he's in for a surprise. Come on man he's totally gonna change Ferrari from the ground up. He's gonna bring DEI up in that Italian bitch! |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 8:01:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Busted_Flush: They make DeVries seem like a serial killer between the neurotically clean apartment and commentary I found him queer as a $3 bill. Him and his twink friend driving around in that Mini Moke, and at that skeet shoot. Ha GAAAAAAAAAY Also fuck the Horndog for his mint Series I. 
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Posted: 2/23/2024 8:05:52 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: Hearing that Lewis threw the Engineering Department under the bus at Merc. I get the feeling there is going to be a epic amount of bad blood between him and Merc for this season. Toto should just tell him to fuck off and put in Mic for the season. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 8:05:54 PM EDT
[#42]
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Posted: 2/23/2024 8:52:25 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: Hearing that Lewis threw the Engineering Department under the bus at Merc. I get the feeling there is going to be a epic amount of bad blood between him and Merc for this season. Toto should just tell him to fuck off and put in Mic for the season. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if RUS gets preferential treatment during the course of the year. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 10:49:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fike]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TarawaS2000: I found him queer as a $3 bill. Him and his twink friend driving around in that Mini Moke, and at that skeet shoot. Ha GAAAAAAAAAY Also fuck the Horndog for his mint Series I. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TarawaS2000: Originally Posted By Busted_Flush: They make DeVries seem like a serial killer between the neurotically clean apartment and commentary I found him queer as a $3 bill. Him and his twink friend driving around in that Mini Moke, and at that skeet shoot. Ha GAAAAAAAAAY Also fuck the Horndog for his mint Series I. Most of the high ranking F1 circus (quietly) have some nice toys. Here is one of Newey’s rust buckets.
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Posted: 2/24/2024 12:50:43 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: Hearing that Lewis threw the Engineering Department under the bus at Merc. I get the feeling there is going to be a epic amount of bad blood between him and Merc for this season. Toto should just tell him to fuck off and put in Mic for the season. Did he ever… There’s going to be some interesting leaks coming out of the Merc garage this year. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 12:55:25 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: Hearing that Lewis threw the Engineering Department under the bus at Merc. I get the feeling there is going to be an epic amount of bad blood between him and Merc for this season. Toto should just tell him to fuck off and put in Mic for the season. If HAM is angling for an out then why doesn’t he just pay for the out.
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Posted: 2/24/2024 8:29:20 AM EDT
[#47]
Two things
1) i saw an Alonso quote that said 19 drivers just realized they aren’t winning the championship this year 2) why in the ever living fuck did they put Danica in DTS? It immediately made the entire thing worse |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 9:25:51 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GeneralDisaray: Two things 1) i saw an Alonso quote that said 19 drivers just realized they aren’t winning the championship this year 2) why in the ever living fuck did they put Danica in DTS? It immediately made the entire thing worse I think it’s way too early for anyone to give the season to RB/Max. Lot of unknowns and alot of racing to be done. As for Danica, American marketing sucks. I would love to have seen Laura Winter in DTS! |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 9:38:51 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GeneralDisaray: Two things 1) i saw an Alonso quote that said 19 drivers just realized they aren’t winning the championship this year 2) why in the ever living fuck did they put Danica in DTS? It immediately made the entire thing worse Buxton is probably too busy doing production work on DTS to do the scripted commentary shots. So, he can hire someone to do that. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 10:28:03 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chaas67: I think it’s way too early for anyone to give the season to RB/Max. Lot of unknowns and alot of racing to be done. As for Danica, American marketing sucks. I would love to have seen Laura Winter in DTS! True on both points. I think the rest of the field will make it harder on RB this year, any mistakes will have a higher chance of being exposed and capitalized on. What I’ve generally liked about the female F1TV/sky sports presenters is that they seem as a group to be dedicated professional journalists with a sporting background. |
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