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Posted: 8/17/2023 8:48:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Seems to be more activity at night.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Seems to be more activity at night.
This is more like it. White phosphor night vision systems, IFF beacons, and Bradley IFV's firing 25mm at night using their thermal sight. 
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Posted: 8/17/2023 8:52:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog15: Speaking of hitting the bombers where they park. Does anybody else think that is the reason Biden said no to the ATACMS after meeting with Zelenski. I am thinking Biden asked for a guarantee they wouldn't be used against certain targets or using them beyond certain geographical boundaries. Zelensky would not agree to that so Biden said no. I think generally there IS a firm agreement NOT to use US supplied weapons on Russian soil. I believe this was promised to Putin by Xiden. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:03:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: The Russians have a particular genius for aligning their policy goals, both domestic and foreign, with elements of other countries' economic, domestic and foreign aspirations. Support for trade agreements, peace negotiations, support for political movements, etc, worldwide are coopted to align with Russian goals. Therefore, we have an odd situation where the American hard left, European neo-Nazis, Cuba, Nicaragua, Brazil, Venezuela, Iran, a majority of the Saheel regimes, North Korea, the Hungarian government, China, the American hard right, and a bunch of Pacific island governments are all supporting Russia despite having very different goals and interests. It is the sort of contradictory outcomes and reductionist arguments one gets when one combines short-term self interest and making "the Enemy of and Enemy is a friend" as opposed to a potential ally the cornerstone of one's actions and outlook. The Russians (similar to the Chinese) are "blessed" with an outlook that has no higher moral and/practical aspirations other than power and influence which sees others as nothing but tools to be manipulated in furtherance of their goals. This tends to work in the short- and medium- term until everything falls apart, and it becomes apparent that the Russians got what they want and don't really care. If Russia was a business, it would be a hedge fund pretending to be an "angel" investor. I believe this is accurate. Evil and wicked people seem to always find each other but Russia (and China) seem especially adept. Add to the "soft methods" outlined above the more "hard" methods of bribery and extortion. Russia really is like the SPECTRE in the old James Bond movies...SPecial Executive for Terrorism, Revenge, and Extortion...or something like that. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:08:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Plus, to the Chinese way of thinking, the long-term benefits of eliminating Taiwan as an economic, political, and cultural rival, not to mention it's role as a strategic impediment, far exceed any short-term cost. This is a country that nuked it's construction and real estate industry, which was the main investment vehicle in mainland China not to mention the primary funding tool for their state and local governments. The fact that they would even care about disrupting chip supplies from a hostile renegade province that largely benefits their economic and strategic rivals barely even enters their calculus, as they may actually see this as eliminating a rival as they struggle to establish Chinese dominance in tech. If they could capture the chip makers whole would be a big benefit (think of treason and subversion like with the capture of Khersan, since there is little doubt the CCP has deeply penetrated Taiwan) but the primary goal is to keep the West from benefitting from the Taiwan chip plants. So if the chip makers get blown up or blow themselves up, it's still supports the ultimate CCP goal of making the world dependent on them. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:12:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Is there any advantage to TOW vs Javelin? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: These replacement missiles to be made are the new wireless TOW, with extended range.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3mf0BeXYAAvlQz?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3mf0OoXEAEKaI7?format=jpg&name=small https://i.pinimg.com/originals/34/47/f7/3447f7b4f3108871ae86d1e0392b8a0a.gif Is there any advantage to TOW vs Javelin? TOW is a bit longer range, bigger warhead like a Stugna, the sight will help you pick up targets further away, and now it's wireless with the 2B having a tandem top attack warhead. But generally, it is hard to beat the single soldier fire and forget features the Javelin provides. Depends on your situation, the TOW bunker buster versions can be useful, and the top attack version can fly over obstacles to hit tanks hidden behind terrain. I think they are all very fun to use, just my opinion. 
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:16:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TheHunstman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: If they could capture the chip makers whole would be a big benefit (think of treason and subversion like with the capture of Khersan, since there is little doubt the CCP has deeply penetrated Taiwan) but the primary goal is to keep the West from benefitting from the Taiwan chip plants. So if the chip makers get blown up or blow themselves up, it's still supports the ultimate CCP goal of making the world dependent on them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Plus, to the Chinese way of thinking, the long-term benefits of eliminating Taiwan as an economic, political, and cultural rival, not to mention it's role as a strategic impediment, far exceed any short-term cost. This is a country that nuked it's construction and real estate industry, which was the main investment vehicle in mainland China not to mention the primary funding tool for their state and local governments. The fact that they would even care about disrupting chip supplies from a hostile renegade province that largely benefits their economic and strategic rivals barely even enters their calculus, as they may actually see this as eliminating a rival as they struggle to establish Chinese dominance in tech. If they could capture the chip makers whole would be a big benefit (think of treason and subversion like with the capture of Khersan, since there is little doubt the CCP has deeply penetrated Taiwan) but the primary goal is to keep the West from benefitting from the Taiwan chip plants. So if the chip makers get blown up or blow themselves up, it's still supports the ultimate CCP goal of making the world dependent on them. Not correct. China is 5 generations of chip technology behind Taiwan and the rest of the world. China doesn't have the capacity/knowledge to produce modern chips like Taiwan. Destroying the worlds leading technology plants is not an option for China as much as the rest of the world. That is why a straight up total invasion is not the best option. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:22:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brok3n: Probably posted already, but worth watching again. First time, I've seen evasive action attempted by Russian armor against loitering munitions:
This war is just validation that we need to start fitting all our combat armor units with Active Protection Systems like Trophy. The tech has been around for a while now but it seems we're dragging our feet waiting for the "perfect solution" rather than just adopting what's out there now and evolving it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brok3n: Probably posted already, but worth watching again. First time, I've seen evasive action attempted by Russian armor against loitering munitions:
This war is just validation that we need to start fitting all our combat armor units with Active Protection Systems like Trophy. The tech has been around for a while now but it seems we're dragging our feet waiting for the "perfect solution" rather than just adopting what's out there now and evolving it. Trophy is going on everything. Trophy[9][17] has been evaluated with extensive testing on a Stryker vehicle[18][19] for possible adoption by the US Army,[20] and a Canadian LAV III.[21][22][23][24] The Army tested the Trophy system in 2017, to be fielded within two years as an interim system until the Modular Active Protection System (MAPS) program produces a system.[25][26] A 193 million dollar contract for Trophy was awarded to Leonardo DRS, Rafael's American partner, in June 2018, to equip a significant number of Abrams M1A1/A2 MBTs with Trophy.[27] In January 2021, Rafael and Leonardo DRS completed urgent deliveries of enough Trophies to the Army to equip all tanks of four armored brigades, some 400 systems.[28] And more on the way, as needed. https://defence-blog.com/us-army-orders-active-protection-system-kits-for-its-abrams-tanks/ The kits will be added to M1A2 SEPv2 and M1A2 SEPv3 Abrams tanks as needed, continuing their fielding across the Army. “We are honored to have been chosen by the Army to continue to provide this important capability to keep tank crew members and their vehicles safe on the battlefield,” said Gordon Stein, vice president of U.S. operations at General Dynamics Land Systems. Work on the indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity contract is expected to extend into mid-2027. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:23:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: UA is nailing these Alligators! Looking for more details.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3068-2922457.jpg
Seems like a certain system moved forward or a new system is in place with evolved tactics. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:27:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: I kind of think Trump sort of forgot about Afghanistan and wasn't really fully aware that we were at war for the whole four years he was President. I think it slipped his mind because it never gave him any opportunity for a photo op or claim what a great thing he did. I'm sure if he was President he would be very focused on Ukraine's relationship to Hunter Biden or a photo op shaking Putin's hand and so he might have a better shot at knowing something is going on there than with Afghanistan. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Some of ya'll visceral hatred for Trump is messing with your logic. Next we will hear how the Afghanistan fiasco would have been the same even if Trump was POTUS. Reagan was the same as Carter, Bush the same as Clinton, FBHO was the same as Trump, "sleepy joe is just doing what Trump would have done, except when it's stupid...then it still Trump's fault" ..."all POTUS are the same...  I kind of think Trump sort of forgot about Afghanistan and wasn't really fully aware that we were at war for the whole four years he was President. I think it slipped his mind because it never gave him any opportunity for a photo op or claim what a great thing he did. I'm sure if he was President he would be very focused on Ukraine's relationship to Hunter Biden or a photo op shaking Putin's hand and so he might have a better shot at knowing something is going on there than with Afghanistan. Got dam it!! .. it’s shit like this that pisses me off the most, this thread is fucking amazing to get updates on this conflict, myself and many others come to this ONE fucking thread to get those awesome, up to date info and updates on this war. It’s one of the best threads on the internet to get that into!! But, all this bullshit thread sliding and arguing over trump, Biden, or whoever the fuck is getting so frigging old!! I for one don’t give two flying fucks about trump when it comes to this conflict, he is ill relevant to it. Can we all please just stop with the political side and focus and remain focused on the progress of this conflict???? Ffs… |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:28:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: If they could capture the chip makers whole would be a big benefit (think of treason and subversion like with the capture of Khersan, since there is little doubt the CCP has deeply penetrated Taiwan) but the primary goal is to keep the West from benefitting from the Taiwan chip plants. So if the chip makers get blown up or blow themselves up, it's still supports the ultimate CCP goal of making the world dependent on them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Plus, to the Chinese way of thinking, the long-term benefits of eliminating Taiwan as an economic, political, and cultural rival, not to mention it's role as a strategic impediment, far exceed any short-term cost. This is a country that nuked it's construction and real estate industry, which was the main investment vehicle in mainland China not to mention the primary funding tool for their state and local governments. The fact that they would even care about disrupting chip supplies from a hostile renegade province that largely benefits their economic and strategic rivals barely even enters their calculus, as they may actually see this as eliminating a rival as they struggle to establish Chinese dominance in tech. If they could capture the chip makers whole would be a big benefit (think of treason and subversion like with the capture of Khersan, since there is little doubt the CCP has deeply penetrated Taiwan) but the primary goal is to keep the West from benefitting from the Taiwan chip plants. So if the chip makers get blown up or blow themselves up, it's still supports the ultimate CCP goal of making the world dependent on them. Chip makers are very concerned with what China is planning, and are already making moves to start building in the US. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:29:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
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All this political bickering takes a huge dump on the awesomeness of this thread..
 I apologize for the puss poor attitude and comments but damn it’s getting old.. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:29:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog15: Speaking of hitting the bombers where they park. Does anybody else think that is the reason Biden said no to the ATACMS after meeting with Zelenski. I am thinking Biden asked for a guarantee they wouldn't be used against certain targets or using them beyond certain geographical boundaries. Zelensky would not agree to that so Biden said no. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog15: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Spot on. I’d add that it’s become apparent that many of our intelligence, military and diplomatic experts grossly over estimated Russia’s capabilities and have way over reacted to fears of escalation. Even Putin grossly overestimated his own forces. So there definitely is a need for better balance, and right now the scale is overweight with fear and lacking confidence and boldness. Especially anything concerning Ukraine’s defense. Once we restore that boldness of action then I think is the time to assess what constitutes a threat to Russia itself. Shooting down strategic bombers that launch over the Caspian Sea? Perhaps. But striking an airbase where they park? Maybe not. Speaking of hitting the bombers where they park. Does anybody else think that is the reason Biden said no to the ATACMS after meeting with Zelenski. I am thinking Biden asked for a guarantee they wouldn't be used against certain targets or using them beyond certain geographical boundaries. Zelensky would not agree to that so Biden said no. I personally suspect that is part of the reason, not hitting the bombers because of the range limitations but for other reasons. I know I could do a lot of damage to the Russian air force and their helicopter gunship aviation with just 50 ATACMS hitting certain aircraft, aircraft ammo depots, and pilots quarters. Then I could sink a few cruise missile carrying ships and submarines while they are parked in their harbor reloading.
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:32:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Seems like a certain system moved forward or a new system is in place with evolved tactics. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By RockNwood: UA is nailing these Alligators! Looking for more details.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3068-2922457.jpg
Seems like a certain system moved forward or a new system is in place with evolved tactics. So two ka52 helps down today? |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:33:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Seems like a certain system moved forward or a new system is in place with evolved tactics. Looks like a MANPAD was used at a long distance in at least one of the kills. Maybe they changed tactics and sent forward teams to get closer to the helos, maybe the pilots were complacent, or maybe the situation was so dire that they had to get close to the front lines and got smoked. https://t.me/truexanewsua/78509 |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:33:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheHunstman: Not correct. China is 5 generations of chip technology behind Taiwan and the rest of the world. China doesn't have the capacity/knowledge to produce modern chips like Taiwan. Destroying the worlds leading technology plants is not an option for China as much as the rest of the world. That is why a straight up total invasion is not the best option. This is part of the calculation in my opinion. The devil in the details is that Taiwan has created a very attractive and advanced manufacturing capability that could vastly improve the Chinese military if it was captured. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:36:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: So two ka52 helps down today? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By RockNwood: UA is nailing these Alligators! Looking for more details.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3068-2922457.jpg
Seems like a certain system moved forward or a new system is in place with evolved tactics. So two ka52 helps down today? I'm trying to find out that myself. Stay tuned. 
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:37:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fltot: Looks like a MANPAD was used at a long distance in at least one of the kills. Maybe they changed tactics and sent forward teams to get closer to the helos, maybe the pilots were complacent, or maybe the situation was so dire that they had to get close to the front lines and got smoked. https://t.me/truexanewsua/78509 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fltot: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Seems like a certain system moved forward or a new system is in place with evolved tactics. Looks like a MANPAD was used at a long distance in at least one of the kills. Maybe they changed tactics and sent forward teams to get closer to the helos, maybe the pilots were complacent, or maybe the situation was so dire that they had to get close to the front lines and got smoked. https://t.me/truexanewsua/78509 Thanks for that, I was looking for any evidence of longer ranged systems being used, but this will work.
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:38:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:38:54 AM EDT
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Khinzal threat. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:39:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Thanks for that, I was looking for any evidence of longer ranged systems being used, but this will work. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Fltot: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Seems like a certain system moved forward or a new system is in place with evolved tactics. Looks like a MANPAD was used at a long distance in at least one of the kills. Maybe they changed tactics and sent forward teams to get closer to the helos, maybe the pilots were complacent, or maybe the situation was so dire that they had to get close to the front lines and got smoked. https://t.me/truexanewsua/78509 Thanks for that, I was looking for any evidence of longer ranged systems being used, but this will work. This might be indirect fallout of the erosion of Russian artillery numbers. Without the ability to try and halt Ukraine's advances with shell volume, they need to use helicopters and other resources in increasingly risky ways. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:41:31 AM EDT
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In the list of arms deliveries to Ukraine updated today by the German Federal Government, one point stands out: 2 IRIS-T SLS Launchers (Werfer) First to avoid misunderstandings: Li: IRIS-T SLM (previously) Re: IRIS-T SLS (new) This can pop helicopter gunships at 12 km. The IRIS-T SLS (from now on only called SLS) is the little brother of SLM and is used in Sweden under the name Robotsystem 98 (RBS-98). SLS fires the ITS-T short-range missile with a range of 12km and an altitude of 8km.    |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:42:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: This might be indirect fallout of the erosion of Russian artillery numbers. Without the ability to try and halt Ukraine's advances with shell volume, they need to use helicopters and other resources in increasingly risky ways. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Fltot: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Seems like a certain system moved forward or a new system is in place with evolved tactics. Looks like a MANPAD was used at a long distance in at least one of the kills. Maybe they changed tactics and sent forward teams to get closer to the helos, maybe the pilots were complacent, or maybe the situation was so dire that they had to get close to the front lines and got smoked. https://t.me/truexanewsua/78509 Thanks for that, I was looking for any evidence of longer ranged systems being used, but this will work. This might be indirect fallout of the erosion of Russian artillery numbers. Without the ability to try and halt Ukraine's advances with shell volume, they need to use helicopters and other resources in increasingly risky ways. A good point. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:42:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:44:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Possible JDAM.
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:45:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:47:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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So, 2 helicopter gunships. the MANPAD used was an RBS-70 from Russian sources. 9km range.
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:47:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:49:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Some of ya'll visceral hatred for Trump is messing with your logic. Next we will hear how the Afghanistan fiasco would have been the same even if Trump was POTUS. Reagan was the same as Carter, Bush the same as Clinton, FBHO was the same as Trump, "sleepy joe is just doing what Trump would have done, except when it's stupid...then it still Trump's fault" ..."all POTUS are the same... |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:49:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: First, Russia does have an internal logic. Not like ours, but they have thought processes. They are homicidal, but not suicidal. And I really don't think anybody is ignoring Russian nukes, only pointing out that Russia has no basis to use them, even under their own doctrine. There is absolutely nothing about the Ukraine conflict that threatens the existence of the Russian state, and nobody is going to launch on Russia, so they aren't going to launch. Second, I think there's been a wake-up call inside Russian military circles. Having seen how badly their equipment performs, they have to be scared to pop nukes because of reliability issues. They can't launch any limited strike, because they have to believe a large percentage of warheads would fail to deploy, fail to go to target, or fail to detonate. And any nuclear strike would be an act of national suicide. Worse, because of system failures, they know they would be ended, but the rest of the world would survive. And every survivor would slaughter every Russian they found until the entire people group was extinct. That's what Russia faces if they pop nukes: extinction. I agree we need to beat them carefully, but where that line lies is open to debate. I think we can safely push the line farther. Remember, Russian military forces were actively killing US personnel in Korea and Vietnam, and we let them. And we're still not involved in killing Russians, unless they attack us (see Syria). That's a good, safe rule. Let Ukraine fight, but give them the tools they need. I think this is accurate and excellent analysis. Maybe giving Russia too much credit for logical rational thinking but generally true. The best and SAFEST avenue for dealing with Russia is strength and force. Weakness and appeasement will guarantee negative consequences. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:51:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/1zvslystz4-7.gif The anti-Ukraine crowd needs to watch this one, it is excellent. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/1zvslystz4-7.gif The anti-Ukraine crowd needs to watch this one, it is excellent. That was a pretty good analysis. He tackles the 'No inch further promise' question that I did a mini rant on a couple of pages back. Honestly it's pretty wel summed in the vid. In short nation states (high contracting parties in treaty speak) have a written and extensive papertrail when they establish treaties with echother. Like I said there is nothing in the travaux préparatoires that is was a subject in the negotiations let alone in the actual binding treaty. Professionaly I can say for 100% that Tucker/Kennedy are trying to bullshit people becuase it simply isn't the way it works. And the important part is that Russia as a high contracting party also knows how this works. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:51:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: China's objective in Taiwan is the same as Russia's in Ukraine: empire, and the restoration of rule over historical possessions. If Taiwan had no semiconductor manufacturing at all, China wild still feel as strongly about wanting it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By K0UA:What China wants from Taiwan is not land or natural recourses. What they want is technology and production capability of chips that Taiwan excels at. China makes chips already you say? Yes, but not the complex and newest chips that Taiwan can make. China is behind, and would rather steal than develop on their own. Just like they have stolen thousands of pieces of technology from the US and Europe over the years. China's objective in Taiwan is the same as Russia's in Ukraine: empire, and the restoration of rule over historical possessions. If Taiwan had no semiconductor manufacturing at all, China wild still feel as strongly about wanting it. Well, hard to say what is in the heart of a Chinaman, but if that is true then they are as stupid as Vladimir Vladimirovich. It is insane to go to war over ideals of empire. It makes sense ( if starting any war makes sense) to go to war over real gains. Gaining Taiwan over the financial gains for China of acquiring it makes a lot more sense than starting a war "because it used to be ours" But maybe they are that stupid. Just like going to war with Ukraine "because it used to be ours, and is the first step to rebuilding our empire" is idiotic. Going to war because Ukraine is the breadbasket of Europe and has lots of natural resources makes a bit more sense. But overall going to war with Ukraine is still stupid when your own country has tons of natural resources and all your really had to do was keep on selling them to your neighbors, and grow fat and wealthy. Just sit back and watch the money roll in. That is all you had to do. But noooo... |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:51:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:54:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: All this political bickering takes a huge dump on the awesomeness of this thread.. I apologize for the puss poor attitude and comments but damn it’s getting old.. Just stop bringing up Trump and how much you hate him. Put it in your sig-line and lets just continue with what we DO AGREE ON, and that is cheering for Ukraine and against Russia. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 9:57:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheHunstman: Not correct. China is 5 generations of chip technology behind Taiwan and the rest of the world. China doesn't have the capacity/knowledge to produce modern chips like Taiwan. Destroying the worlds leading technology plants is not an option for China as much as the rest of the world. That is why a straight up total invasion is not the best option. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheHunstman: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Plus, to the Chinese way of thinking, the long-term benefits of eliminating Taiwan as an economic, political, and cultural rival, not to mention it's role as a strategic impediment, far exceed any short-term cost. This is a country that nuked it's construction and real estate industry, which was the main investment vehicle in mainland China not to mention the primary funding tool for their state and local governments. The fact that they would even care about disrupting chip supplies from a hostile renegade province that largely benefits their economic and strategic rivals barely even enters their calculus, as they may actually see this as eliminating a rival as they struggle to establish Chinese dominance in tech. If they could capture the chip makers whole would be a big benefit (think of treason and subversion like with the capture of Khersan, since there is little doubt the CCP has deeply penetrated Taiwan) but the primary goal is to keep the West from benefitting from the Taiwan chip plants. So if the chip makers get blown up or blow themselves up, it's still supports the ultimate CCP goal of making the world dependent on them. Not correct. China is 5 generations of chip technology behind Taiwan and the rest of the world. China doesn't have the capacity/knowledge to produce modern chips like Taiwan. Destroying the worlds leading technology plants is not an option for China as much as the rest of the world. That is why a straight up total invasion is not the best option. In assessing the Chinese, you have to understand their point of view. The "Best" option, no; an acceptable cost to achieve a desired outcome, possibly. As the current real estate crisis in China shows, the Chinese are just as capable of making major miscalculations as the rest of the world. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 10:01:06 AM EDT
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https://t.me/uniannet/108436
The occupiers began shelling Ukraine with newly manufactured rockets amid the depletion of available weapons , Bloomberg writes. According to the agency, an unexploded rocket with an unusually fresh production date was recently discovered in the Sumy region. According to the stamp on the hull, the projectile fired by the Tornado-S multiple launch rocket system was manufactured on May 19. Since the rocket did not explode, the researchers were able to look inside to examine the motherboard and other components. All of them do not correspond to ready-made certificates, StateWatch experts concluded. At the same time, some parts were soldered by hand, and the components turned out to be Russian and American-made, including companies such as Altera, owned by Intel Corporation and Analog Devices. Stay with us in Telegram | Admire our YouTube |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 10:02:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2023 10:06:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Got dam it!! .. it’s shit like this that pisses me off the most, this thread is fucking amazing to get updates on this conflict, myself and many others come to this ONE fucking thread to get those awesome, up to date info and updates on this war. It’s one of the best threads on the internet to get that into!! But, all this bullshit thread sliding and arguing over trump, Biden, or whoever the fuck is getting so frigging old!! I for one don’t give two flying fucks about trump when it comes to this conflict, he is ill relevant to it. Can we all please just stop with the political side and focus and remain focused on the progress of this conflict???? Ffs… 
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Posted: 8/17/2023 10:10:05 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
This video is from St. Petersburg but it is happening all over Russia. Immigrants who moved to Russia for work, many are Syrians and other Middle Easterners, are seen receiving summonses to report for military duty, being loaded onto buses, and taken to the local commissariat (voyenkomat) so they can be processed for service. Russia has been under a full "ghost mobilization" since the beginning of the year but they won't call it a mobilization for domestic political reasons. This is a translation of what the poster, "GREY ZONE", said about the video. He calls them "these people" even though they are Russian citizens which is typical of how Russians perceive ethnic groups -- aka, non-Russians. "And here is a delightful video from St. Petersburg! New citizens of Russia were lucky not only to get a passport of a citizen of our country, but also to be registered for military service, having a chance to prove loyalty to our Fatherland on the battlefield! Just imagine how happy these people are now, even if they look a little confused on the video, but this is from the surprise of such a gift. I hope that they will call all their relatives and friends at home and tell them about the unique action that the Ministry of Internal Affairs is holding for new citizens. That would see very counterproductive to me. Russia already has a huge workforce shortage due to Russians going to war and Russians leaving the country to avoid going to war. Now if you start drafting the foreign workers into the war, won't they stop coming in to work? Seems Ivan might have his head screwed on backwards. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 10:20:14 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: That would see very counterproductive to me. Russia already has a huge workforce shortage due to Russians going to war and Russians leaving the country to avoid going to war. Now if you start drafting the foreign workers into the war, won't they stop coming in to work? Seems Ivan might have his head screwed on backwards. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: Originally Posted By Prime:
This video is from St. Petersburg but it is happening all over Russia. Immigrants who moved to Russia for work, many are Syrians and other Middle Easterners, are seen receiving summonses to report for military duty, being loaded onto buses, and taken to the local commissariat (voyenkomat) so they can be processed for service. Russia has been under a full "ghost mobilization" since the beginning of the year but they won't call it a mobilization for domestic political reasons. This is a translation of what the poster, "GREY ZONE", said about the video. He calls them "these people" even though they are Russian citizens which is typical of how Russians perceive ethnic groups -- aka, non-Russians. "And here is a delightful video from St. Petersburg! New citizens of Russia were lucky not only to get a passport of a citizen of our country, but also to be registered for military service, having a chance to prove loyalty to our Fatherland on the battlefield! Just imagine how happy these people are now, even if they look a little confused on the video, but this is from the surprise of such a gift. I hope that they will call all their relatives and friends at home and tell them about the unique action that the Ministry of Internal Affairs is holding for new citizens. That would see very counterproductive to me. Russia already has a huge workforce shortage due to Russians going to war and Russians leaving the country to avoid going to war. Now if you start drafting the foreign workers into the war, won't they stop coming in to work? Seems Ivan might have his head screwed on backwards. I also can't imagine these new draftees being very enthusiastic and wanting to charge forward against Ukrainian artillery. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 10:21:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#40]
https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1692179344859463925 The documents of the Russian army medical center were captured in Urozhaine. They testify that the field medicine of the occupiers is at the level of the Second World War. There are no bandages or tourniquets.  
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Posted: 8/17/2023 10:35:17 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: So, 2 helicopter gunships. the MANPAD used was an RBS-70 from Russian sources. 9km range. https://en.missilery.info/files/m/rbs70/bofors1.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3vHp_KXMAAx47f?format=jpg&name=small I was going to comment on how little smoke that missile had. That's a nasty little bugger. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 10:35:37 AM EDT
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Mother of God, sisters of mercy,
 That has to be fake. Russia can't be that stupid to do that. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 10:41:36 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3vFw-OWIAAVr0f?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3vHiu2XoAAalqL?format=jpg&name=medium |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 10:46:53 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Posted: 8/17/2023 10:53:00 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: Mother of God, sisters of mercy, That has to be fake. Russia can't be that stupid to do that. Russia HAS been proven to be that stupid. If I was the Ukrainian SBU, I would be planting stories like this anywhere Russia has critical concentrations of "guest workers" due to the fact that, even if the stories are not (completely) true, Russia HAS proven on numerous occasions that it IS that stupid and the stories would be VERY believable (whether true, partially true or completely false). For the "Russian Way of War" to work, coercion is a key component; anyone in Russia with a set of eyeballs knows this and also realizes they are being lied to even when it is not necessary. Which makes effective PSYOPS for a group like the Ukes who understand Russians get their real news from rumors very easy.
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Posted: 8/17/2023 10:58:09 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: So, 2 helicopter gunships. the MANPAD used was an RBS-70 from Russian sources. 9km range. https://en.missilery.info/files/m/rbs70/bofors1.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3vHp_KXMAAx47f?format=jpg&name=small Interesting. I've seen a few videos over the past couple weeks with RBS-70 setup just inside treelines. Looks like it paid off. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 11:00:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: planemaker]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tacosis: What are you basing this on bc it sounds completely asinine and like utter horseshit. So when they level the island, chip plants and all, you're saying they'll plunk down a commie flag and that'll be the objective? Cuz they took back the land and accomplished and ideological objective? That's simple minded crazy talk. These people, our enemies, are not simple minded stooges. We've made that mistake too long. Bert Purtin and Xi ert chrildrens? Ok Lenny. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tacosis: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: China's objective in Taiwan is the same as Russia's in Ukraine: empire, and the restoration of rule over historical possessions. If Taiwan had no semiconductor manufacturing at all, China wild still feel as strongly about wanting it. What are you basing this on bc it sounds completely asinine and like utter horseshit. So when they level the island, chip plants and all, you're saying they'll plunk down a commie flag and that'll be the objective? Cuz they took back the land and accomplished and ideological objective? That's simple minded crazy talk. These people, our enemies, are not simple minded stooges. We've made that mistake too long. Bert Purtin and Xi ert chrildrens? Ok Lenny. Never underestimate the willingness of communists to do stupid things for power and control. ChinaIsAsshoe wants Taiwan because it represents the communist "revolution" ultimately failed to remove capitalists from "China". Taiwan, on the other hand, realizes that if ChinaIsAsshoe invades, the primary target of opportunity is the chip fabs (and other manufacturing facilities). Level those, and the Red Chinese victory becomes pyrrhic. ETA: Multiple posters beat me to the essence of the arguments. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 11:22:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2023 11:26:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2023 11:29:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Interesting. I've seen a few videos over the past couple weeks with RBS-70 setup just inside treelines. Looks like it paid off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: So, 2 helicopter gunships. the MANPAD used was an RBS-70 from Russian sources. 9km range. https://en.missilery.info/files/m/rbs70/bofors1.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3vHp_KXMAAx47f?format=jpg&name=small Interesting. I've seen a few videos over the past couple weeks with RBS-70 setup just inside treelines. Looks like it paid off. I was impressed by the long flight time between launch and impact, about 15 seconds! As said, the lack of smoke trail makes that a nasty beast. |
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