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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:01:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:02:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Well to be honest, after you push the launch button, the smoke definitely leaks out.  |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:05:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Eight_Ring]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: The 1st tank guard which is supposedly their #1 primo army is stalled like everyone else. The VDV dropped into multiple day 1 lightning airport seizures and got wiped every time. Where did you here that the VDV IL-76’s shot down were fake news? American sources claim it is true. Where did you here it was fake news? Can I get a citation? The snake island thing was always a cool story rhat traveled at the speed of light faster before the truth got its pants on. I was watching a British military aviation expert. He was saying that Ukraine's integrated air defense network got wiped out almost immediately, and the only real anti-air defense threats were the mobile units and MANPADS. INRE: The Ghost of Kiev he said the only confirmed air to air kill was a helicopter. He said there was a 100 mile (Russian) S300 kill over Kiev. He said Russia is not using air assets because they don't have adequate deconfliction ability, and that Polish MIGS were pretty much tits on a bull--they added no real capability, as they had extremely limited range/flying time (like half an hour) and were not suitable for ground attack (if I recall correctly). I'll find a link. @YoBro512  Military Aviation Expert on Why a No Fly Zone Would Solve Putin’s Problem |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:08:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: I can see that, but OTOH, how is that different than just full capitulation because he might go nuke? Let's say his next objective is say, Hungary. "Don't fuck with my annexation of Hungary, or I'll let the nukes fly!" When do you stop bowing before the nuke threat, exactly? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: Originally Posted By Bunn19: Originally Posted By nickmemphis: NATO is only powerless because of the lack of testicular fortitude to exercise the power they have, and that is 100% the fault of the population's choice of representative leaders. I.E. us. I originally was on the no fly zone, let NATO kick Russia’s ass bandwagon, but the more analysis I read and videos I watch, I think it would be an incredibly risky move. Putin sees a war with NATO existential threat to Russia. What do states with nuclear weapons do when faced an existential threat? They use them. As much as I would like to see US and NATO forces blast the hell out of Russian forces in Ukraine, I think the risk of global nuclear war is too great. I can see that, but OTOH, how is that different than just full capitulation because he might go nuke? Let's say his next objective is say, Hungary. "Don't fuck with my annexation of Hungary, or I'll let the nukes fly!" When do you stop bowing before the nuke threat, exactly? That’s really the elephant in the room. Most assume Russia will use them first. Most assume that the US/Nato will only use them in response. 70 years of propaganda has made the west intuit that the only way to win a nuclear conflict is to not have one. All of those preconceived assumptions could just as easily be wrong. We could wake up in the morning to the news that every inch of Russia has been obliterated, and all of their subs and ships were sunk before they could retaliate. A whole different world, free of the “Russian Problem” that has caused so much global misery and death for a century. There has never been a better time for the west to make a surprise checkmate move. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:11:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By racer765: "what flavor ice cream you got? when I fart, my balls rattle. have you seen the first lady today?" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By racer765: Originally Posted By realwar: Biden to speak with Xi Jinping tomorrow. "what flavor ice cream you got? when I fart, my balls rattle. have you seen the first lady today?" 'if we sanction you, we wont put restrictions on Ensure or diapers". |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:12:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: It's a standard formula for earthly paradise. Kill enough of the right people, and then it will all be rainbows, unicorns and butterflies for all. And then it's actually breadlines and drab gray apartment blocks and reactor accidents and those rooms under the Lubyanka, every time. The answer is obviously you need to kill even more people, because you must have missed some, else it would be working good now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: Originally Posted By iggy1337: Originally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By realwar: Putin turns on Russians..Putin threatens RUSSIAN "SCUM & TRAITORS" i.e. those supporting Ukraine & western nations  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIeACINKtbIMy favorite part is where he calls for the purification of society. To fuckheads improving mankind always seems to involve haveing less mankind It's a standard formula for earthly paradise. Kill enough of the right people, and then it will all be rainbows, unicorns and butterflies for all. And then it's actually breadlines and drab gray apartment blocks and reactor accidents and those rooms under the Lubyanka, every time. The answer is obviously you need to kill even more people, because you must have missed some, else it would be working good now. "Freedom is not always there. It's fragile and you better take care of it, because the default condition is authoritarian starvation." ~ Jordan Peterson (speaking with N. Korean defector/activist Yeonmi Park) |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:18:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Ryan_Ruck]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: No, I'm saying you are completely wrong and have indicated why that is so. You can choose to accept you are wrong or can continue in your ignorance. It has nothing to do with Russian prongs of their military doctrine which we already know includes lies, deceit, misinformation, and propaganda. BTW, in my estimation, the Russians are currently failing in that part of their military every bit as much as their forces in Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By Voland: Originally Posted By kncook: ZeroHedge is Russian owned. You keep saying that... but whats your proof? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124774/1D97CFAC-D140-4B8C-A888-63C17AFD7FF8-2316045.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124774/CFFAAE6B-E1E5-427A-8C89-3BF71290056B-2316047.jpg This is just complete crap. None of that is true. You sure? This is the source: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR2200/RR2237/RAND_RR2237.pdf ETA: Published in 2018 at the direction of the Trump DoD - "This research was sponsored by the Office of the Secretary of Defense’s Rapid Reaction Technology Office and conducted within the International Security and Defense Policy Center of the RAND National Defense Research Institute, a federally funded research and development center sponsored by the Office of the Secretary of Defense, the Joint Staff, the Unified Combatant Commands, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the defense agencies, and the defense Intelligence Community." Absolutely certain. That chart is complete nonsense. And, it comes from the leftist group "PropOrNot Team", not the Rand Corp. In case you are unfamiliar with the way ZeroHedge works (which clearly Rand wasn't), they have both original content which they have under the byline pseudonym "Tyler Durden" and they also have guest articles from a variety of contributors (including those on the right). Enough thread slide. Believe what you wish. So, in other words, you like Zero Hedge and, because of your personal investment in it, don't want to accept that it's not what you thought it was. And it's not a thread slide. Once again, we're discussing Russian propaganda, which they view as one prong of their military doctrine, and it's outlets. It's fully on topic. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/81F17490-B709-42FF-B5AB-2E03B119D399-228-2305506.JPG No, I'm saying you are completely wrong and have indicated why that is so. You can choose to accept you are wrong or can continue in your ignorance. It has nothing to do with Russian prongs of their military doctrine which we already know includes lies, deceit, misinformation, and propaganda. BTW, in my estimation, the Russians are currently failing in that part of their military every bit as much as their forces in Ukraine. Your only indication of my being incorrect amounts to "Your pictures are nonsense and PropOrNot is leftist because I said so, so what you posted is wrong". It's pretty much all there in this quote chain. Given that, who do I accept as more accurate... Some rando on the internet that says "take my word for it" or a widely regarded think tank the US DoD hires for research on matters vital to national security? Real tough choice there...  By the way, congrats on being able to clear through a 149 page, fully annotated, study in just 21 minutes when the approximate reading time of it is around 3 hours! |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:20:18 AM EDT
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 Thugs Bullying the Russian Army |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:30:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
Superb, thanks for sharing. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:31:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt’s an excelled attempt to reach the Russian soldier. His speeches are better than what potatoe’s folks are writing! Amazing the degree to which the 6 Jan protestors have risen. I bet in a few years they’ll have them in history books as a full fledged armed coup… ahh they already do..well they’ll go somewhere |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:37:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Your only indication of my being incorrect amounts to "Your pictures are nonsense and PropOrNot is leftist because I said so, so what you posted is wrong". It's pretty much all there in this quote chain. Given that, who do I accept as more accurate... Some rando on the internet that says "take my word for it" or a widely regarded think tank the US DoD hires for research on matters vital to national security? Real tough choice there... By the way, congrats on being able to clear through a 149 page, fully annotated, study in just 21 minutes when the approximate reading time of it is around 3 hours! the Washington Post even admitted there was no validity to the 2016 PropOrNot list |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:38:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Sorry, I get first dibs but you can smell it Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By kbi: Originally Posted By elcope:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOEbg69WUA0212J?format=jpg&name=medium  Gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme OAB? Ah hell no it's a trap ( Sees abandoned T72 in distance )
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:39:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
Awesome reading there. Reading the bit about the Chechens. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:42:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ARx3]
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Originally Posted By Spade: I need an RPK. Or an AR-15 type RPK I had one(Semi) and sold it. Fun gun !!  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:44:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: Another thing is they probably will, or are very likely to, avoid DC. We aren't hitting Moscow either, at least right away. Because then there's no one to talk to. Not being flippant, serious. If you decapitate the whole gov straightaway, everything goes into automatic MAD because there's no NCA. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: Originally Posted By Firearmsenthusiast: That map is complete garbage. First strike targets will be the missile silos in ND and MT, any submarines in Port, and air bases with nuclear capable aircraft. There are 400 active minute man missiles and 40 launch control centers. The soviet doctrine was multiple hits per target to ensure destruction. They won't have many left after those targets. Another thing is they probably will, or are very likely to, avoid DC. We aren't hitting Moscow either, at least right away. Because then there's no one to talk to. Not being flippant, serious. If you decapitate the whole gov straightaway, everything goes into automatic MAD because there's no NCA.  Lol..In the senerio in my head there is no one to talk to either. For a long fucking time ! Don’t even start that nuke shift without completely wiping out your foe ! |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:49:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd6563: I just learned on another GD thread that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is really about covering up the Clinton foundation sourcing child sex slaves in Ukraine along with bio lab experimentation related to the NWO wanting to reduce global populations. I think I'll just stick to this thread for the foreseeable future... GD has completely lost its mind over this. It’s both weird, and disturbing…the idiocy is shocking in both depth and breadth. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:49:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:49:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AaronR: the Washington Post even admitted there was no validity to the 2016 PropOrNot list Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AaronR: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Your only indication of my being incorrect amounts to "Your pictures are nonsense and PropOrNot is leftist because I said so, so what you posted is wrong". It's pretty much all there in this quote chain. Given that, who do I accept as more accurate... Some rando on the internet that says "take my word for it" or a widely regarded think tank the US DoD hires for research on matters vital to national security? Real tough choice there... By the way, congrats on being able to clear through a 149 page, fully annotated, study in just 21 minutes when the approximate reading time of it is around 3 hours! the Washington Post even admitted there was no validity to the 2016 PropOrNot list Did they now? https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html "A number of those sites have objected to being included on PropOrNot’s list, and some of the sites, as well as others not on the list, have publicly challenged the group’s methodology and conclusions. The Post, which did not name any of the sites, does not itself vouch for the validity of PropOrNot’s findings regarding any individual media outlet, nor did the article purport to do so." I mean, if a Russian propaganda outlet objects to being labeled Russian propaganda, what else can you do but believe them. 
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:51:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: There was a Russian press release clarifying this today. Apparently Putin was referring to all the people who bailed and ran for the West/Dubai. The act of them leaving is purifying Russia. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Shenanigunz: My favorite part is where he calls for the purification of society. So he's basically telling Russians to go after westerners in russia? Yeah, that doesn't pass the smell test. He was talking about "spitting them out". Why would Russians "spit out" people who have already left? There's going to be a cleansing exactly in the way he insinuated, if it hasn't started already. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:52:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Did they now? https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html "A number of those sites have objected to being included on PropOrNot’s list, and some of the sites, as well as others not on the list, have publicly challenged the group’s methodology and conclusions. The Post, which did not name any of the sites, does not itself vouch for the validity of PropOrNot’s findings regarding any individual media outlet, nor did the article purport to do so." I mean, if a Russian propaganda outlet objects to being labeled Russian propaganda, what else can you do but believe them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By AaronR: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Your only indication of my being incorrect amounts to "Your pictures are nonsense and PropOrNot is leftist because I said so, so what you posted is wrong". It's pretty much all there in this quote chain. Given that, who do I accept as more accurate... Some rando on the internet that says "take my word for it" or a widely regarded think tank the US DoD hires for research on matters vital to national security? Real tough choice there... By the way, congrats on being able to clear through a 149 page, fully annotated, study in just 21 minutes when the approximate reading time of it is around 3 hours! the Washington Post even admitted there was no validity to the 2016 PropOrNot list Did they now? https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html "A number of those sites have objected to being included on PropOrNot’s list, and some of the sites, as well as others not on the list, have publicly challenged the group’s methodology and conclusions. The Post, which did not name any of the sites, does not itself vouch for the validity of PropOrNot’s findings regarding any individual media outlet, nor did the article purport to do so." I mean, if a Russian propaganda outlet objects to being labeled Russian propaganda, what else can you do but believe them. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:53:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: That’s really the elephant in the room. Most assume Russia will use them first. Most assume that the US/Nato will only use them in response. 70 years of propaganda has made the west intuit that the only way to win a nuclear conflict is to not have one. All of those preconceived assumptions could just as easily be wrong. We could wake up in the morning to the news that every inch of Russia has been obliterated, and all of their subs and ships were sunk before they could retaliate. A whole different world, free of the “Russian Problem” that has caused so much global misery and death for a century. There has never been a better time for the west to make a surprise checkmate move. Yes, I’ve been saying exactly this for most of the thread. People need to get off the Trump/Biden right/left bullshit and take a cold, hard look at the situation. Putin is rattling the nuclear saber and has Europe and frankly the entire world terrified. He’s acting like a mad dog, and we put down mad dogs. The west has unified in a month and a nuclear first strike should no longer be considered unthinkable. It’s my opinion that the west probably has a source of accurate inside information on Putin’s intentions, and if such information even hints at nuclear escalation, Russia will be wiped off the map to limit damage to the west. This game is for all the marbles. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:55:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ottodog8: I suggest you study some history. In 1914 an Austrian Archduke was assassinated. 20 million people died. “Brave little Belgium”. “Brave little Ukraine”. I also suggest you study George Wasington’s Farewell Address and get back to me. I’ll wait. A better comparison is 1938 Europe, not 1914 Europe |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:56:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Ryan_Ruck]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AaronR: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AaronR: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By AaronR: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Your only indication of my being incorrect amounts to "Your pictures are nonsense and PropOrNot is leftist because I said so, so what you posted is wrong". It's pretty much all there in this quote chain. Given that, who do I accept as more accurate... Some rando on the internet that says "take my word for it" or a widely regarded think tank the US DoD hires for research on matters vital to national security? Real tough choice there... By the way, congrats on being able to clear through a 149 page, fully annotated, study in just 21 minutes when the approximate reading time of it is around 3 hours! the Washington Post even admitted there was no validity to the 2016 PropOrNot list Did they now? https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html "A number of those sites have objected to being included on PropOrNot’s list, and some of the sites, as well as others not on the list, have publicly challenged the group’s methodology and conclusions. The Post, which did not name any of the sites, does not itself vouch for the validity of PropOrNot’s findings regarding any individual media outlet, nor did the article purport to do so." I mean, if a Russian propaganda outlet objects to being labeled Russian propaganda, what else can you do but believe them. Nor does it claim it's invalid. "No validity", in your words = invalid. They are taking a neutral position so...
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:56:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Your only indication of my being incorrect amounts to "Your pictures are nonsense and PropOrNot is leftist because I said so, so what you posted is wrong". It's pretty much all there in this quote chain. Given that, who do I accept as more accurate... Some rando on the internet that says "take my word for it" or a widely regarded think tank the US DoD hires for research on matters vital to national security? Real tough choice there... By the way, congrats on being able to clear through a 149 page, fully annotated, study in just 21 minutes when the approximate reading time of it is around 3 hours! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By Voland: Originally Posted By kncook: ZeroHedge is Russian owned. You keep saying that... but whats your proof? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124774/1D97CFAC-D140-4B8C-A888-63C17AFD7FF8-2316045.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124774/CFFAAE6B-E1E5-427A-8C89-3BF71290056B-2316047.jpg This is just complete crap. None of that is true. You sure? This is the source: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR2200/RR2237/RAND_RR2237.pdf ETA: Published in 2018 at the direction of the Trump DoD - "This research was sponsored by the Office of the Secretary of Defense’s Rapid Reaction Technology Office and conducted within the International Security and Defense Policy Center of the RAND National Defense Research Institute, a federally funded research and development center sponsored by the Office of the Secretary of Defense, the Joint Staff, the Unified Combatant Commands, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the defense agencies, and the defense Intelligence Community." Absolutely certain. That chart is complete nonsense. And, it comes from the leftist group "PropOrNot Team", not the Rand Corp. In case you are unfamiliar with the way ZeroHedge works (which clearly Rand wasn't), they have both original content which they have under the byline pseudonym "Tyler Durden" and they also have guest articles from a variety of contributors (including those on the right). Enough thread slide. Believe what you wish. So, in other words, you like Zero Hedge and, because of your personal investment in it, don't want to accept that it's not what you thought it was. And it's not a thread slide. Once again, we're discussing Russian propaganda, which they view as one prong of their military doctrine, and it's outlets. It's fully on topic. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/81F17490-B709-42FF-B5AB-2E03B119D399-228-2305506.JPG No, I'm saying you are completely wrong and have indicated why that is so. You can choose to accept you are wrong or can continue in your ignorance. It has nothing to do with Russian prongs of their military doctrine which we already know includes lies, deceit, misinformation, and propaganda. BTW, in my estimation, the Russians are currently failing in that part of their military every bit as much as their forces in Ukraine. Your only indication of my being incorrect amounts to "Your pictures are nonsense and PropOrNot is leftist because I said so, so what you posted is wrong". It's pretty much all there in this quote chain. Given that, who do I accept as more accurate... Some rando on the internet that says "take my word for it" or a widely regarded think tank the US DoD hires for research on matters vital to national security? Real tough choice there... By the way, congrats on being able to clear through a 149 page, fully annotated, study in just 21 minutes when the approximate reading time of it is around 3 hours! What drivel. I provided the information that the chart being touted as being produced by the Rand Corp was not. Further, I explained why the leftist PropOrNot chart was misleading by explaining the difference between articles written by other authors, including those on the right, and the indigenous writers within the web site. Further, 30 seconds of looking would have told any competent person why trusting the PropOrNot team would be a bad idea: PropOrNot's grandiose fabrications and Even the WaPo doesn't believe them and The Intercept article As I said previously, you can remain ignorant if you so choose. I'm done discussing this topic. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:57:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: eesmith]
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lol propornot.
I think people should be less credulous in general, but PorN is basically deranged #resistposting. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:59:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By BB: Post the video @BB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmSTO5UhVugI mean she has the right to believe whatever she wants but I vehemently disagree with her assessment. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:00:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: This. Even the US would take pretty horrific losses facing an insurgency armed with thousands of state of the art ATGMs and MANPADS. Basically need every armored convoy to have a couple drones with thermal cameras scouting ahead an providing an anti-infantry umbrella, zapping anyone lurking near the convoys approach. A lot of people are badmouthing the Russians, and lets face it, they're doing pretty lousy...but if you took a US force and told them to drive, no aviation support, into s sea of MANPADS and javelins, at the timetable they are being pushed...there isnt a rabbit you can pull out of your hat. I dont want to be one of the "tank is dead" advocates but Im not sure theres an army that could do a whole lot better if Europe and teh US pretty much dumped tehir AT weapons on the place to be invaded. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:00:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: Yeah, I considered the Nobel Peace Prize to have lost all legitimacy when Obama got it.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankyRay: Originally Posted By nickmemphis: Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: A group of European politicians addressed the Nobel Committee with a corresponding open letter. They asked the Nobel Committee to extend the nomination procedure for the Nobel Peace Prize until March 31, 2022, to allow for a Nobel Peace Prize nomination for President Zelensky and the people of Ukraine. Officially, the deadline for nomination for the award expired on January 31. "We are witness to the courage of the people of Ukraine withstanding this war waged upon them by the Russian Federation. Brave Ukrainian men and women are fighting to preserve democracy and self-government. From the defiance democratically elected Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to the man with tears in his eyes saying goodbye to his family to fight for his country, people all over Ukraine are rising up to resist the forces of authoritarianism. We believe that now is the time to show the people of Ukraine that the world is on their side," reads the letter. The letter to the Nobel Committee was signed by 36 European politicians from the Netherlands, Great Britain, Germany, Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, Romania and Slovakia. The letter is open to co-sign by political leaders across the world until March 30th. He will not win. 1. He's fishbelly white, and fairly close to the actual Caucusus range which is probably equivalent to some sort of super duper whiteness is likely how the Nobel committee that does the soft awards like peace sees it. Like, Obama won it before he even took office just for being black. 2. LOL Yeah, I considered the Nobel Peace Prize to have lost all legitimacy when Obama got it. And Yasser Arafat, and Al Gore, and... The Nobel Peace Prize was turned into a sick joke a long time ago. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:01:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: lol propornot. I think people should be less credulous in general, but PorN is basically deranged #resistposting. Exactly, it was super obvious from the get go. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:02:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Nor does it claim it's invalid. "No validity", in your words = invalid. They are taking a neutral position so... the fact that you are even attempting to argue that PropOrNot is some legitimate source......is the LULZ |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:02:35 AM EDT
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Guys, there's a war on and it sucks. But nothing that is happening over there graphs onto domestic politics, and it doesn't work that way even if you force it.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:03:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ad_nauseam: ШТРАФБАТ - the most realistic WWII film. Penal battalions made of traitors, enemies of the people, criminals, etc. were an essential part of the strategy. Whether they still are, I don't know but I would not be all that surprised. Putin started lecturing on internal traitors. Sounds oh so very Stalinesque https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18EGzvYtdzkNo, not really. They were essential in that "it takes a brave man to be a coward in the Red Army" but they were not essential. One man in 100 was in a penal unit. They werent an essential part of the strategy. They are well known because the West had no equivalent. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:05:54 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkNH: 4 of these is about a day of supply truck losses in Ukraine, they are currently passing Japan so it will be two weeks minimum before they reach the Black Sea..... https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/14/55478021-10623699-image-a-81_1647528935669.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkNH: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Haven't seen if verified, but interesting if true. 4 of these is about a day of supply truck losses in Ukraine, they are currently passing Japan so it will be two weeks minimum before they reach the Black Sea..... https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/14/55478021-10623699-image-a-81_1647528935669.jpg I may be dumb but how are they going to get in? Turkey closed the Bosporus. Are they going to fly the ships into the Black Sea? |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:07:07 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CurseOfKatyn: Knock off the bullshit or step out of the thread. Your choice. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CurseOfKatyn: Originally Posted By ottodog8: I bought my first AR-15 in 1972, a couple of years before I was issued one. You? Knock off the bullshit or step out of the thread. Your choice. When did the board code turn all of the mods and staff into undercover operatives? I can’t see your designator any longer. 
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:08:47 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Balu: I may be dumb but how are they going to get in? Turkey closed the Bosporus. Are they going to fly the ships into the Black Sea? My guess is that it’s not even destined for Ukraine but rather Syria? |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:09:05 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrad197: Exactly, it was super obvious from the get go. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrad197: Originally Posted By eesmith: lol propornot. I think people should be less credulous in general, but PorN is basically deranged #resistposting. Exactly, it was super obvious from the get go. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:11:22 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: That’s really the elephant in the room. Most assume Russia will use them first. Most assume that the US/Nato will only use them in response. 70 years of propaganda has made the west intuit that the only way to win a nuclear conflict is to not have one. All of those preconceived assumptions could just as easily be wrong. We could wake up in the morning to the news that every inch of Russia has been obliterated, and all of their subs and ships were sunk before they could retaliate. A whole different world, free of the “Russian Problem” that has caused so much global misery and death for a century. There has never been a better time for the west to make a surprise checkmate move. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By nickmemphis: Originally Posted By Bunn19: Originally Posted By nickmemphis: NATO is only powerless because of the lack of testicular fortitude to exercise the power they have, and that is 100% the fault of the population's choice of representative leaders. I.E. us. I originally was on the no fly zone, let NATO kick Russia’s ass bandwagon, but the more analysis I read and videos I watch, I think it would be an incredibly risky move. Putin sees a war with NATO existential threat to Russia. What do states with nuclear weapons do when faced an existential threat? They use them. As much as I would like to see US and NATO forces blast the hell out of Russian forces in Ukraine, I think the risk of global nuclear war is too great. I can see that, but OTOH, how is that different than just full capitulation because he might go nuke? Let's say his next objective is say, Hungary. "Don't fuck with my annexation of Hungary, or I'll let the nukes fly!" When do you stop bowing before the nuke threat, exactly? That’s really the elephant in the room. Most assume Russia will use them first. Most assume that the US/Nato will only use them in response. 70 years of propaganda has made the west intuit that the only way to win a nuclear conflict is to not have one. All of those preconceived assumptions could just as easily be wrong. We could wake up in the morning to the news that every inch of Russia has been obliterated, and all of their subs and ships were sunk before they could retaliate. A whole different world, free of the “Russian Problem” that has caused so much global misery and death for a century. There has never been a better time for the west to make a surprise checkmate move. The west being running by Biden and leftist democrats would never consider that. I guess its possible England and France could do it, but they'll have to take the lead on it. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:12:54 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Yes, I’ve been saying exactly this for most of the thread. People need to get off the Trump/Biden right/left bullshit and take a cold, hard look at the situation. Putin is rattling the nuclear saber and has Europe and frankly the entire world terrified. He’s acting like a mad dog, and we put down mad dogs. The west has unified in a month and a nuclear first strike should no longer be considered unthinkable. It’s my opinion that the west probably has a source of accurate inside information on Putin’s intentions, and if such information even hints at nuclear escalation, Russia will be wiped off the map to limit damage to the west. This game is for all the marbles. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By sq40: That’s really the elephant in the room. Most assume Russia will use them first. Most assume that the US/Nato will only use them in response. 70 years of propaganda has made the west intuit that the only way to win a nuclear conflict is to not have one. All of those preconceived assumptions could just as easily be wrong. We could wake up in the morning to the news that every inch of Russia has been obliterated, and all of their subs and ships were sunk before they could retaliate. A whole different world, free of the “Russian Problem” that has caused so much global misery and death for a century. There has never been a better time for the west to make a surprise checkmate move. Yes, I’ve been saying exactly this for most of the thread. People need to get off the Trump/Biden right/left bullshit and take a cold, hard look at the situation. Putin is rattling the nuclear saber and has Europe and frankly the entire world terrified. He’s acting like a mad dog, and we put down mad dogs. The west has unified in a month and a nuclear first strike should no longer be considered unthinkable. It’s my opinion that the west probably has a source of accurate inside information on Putin’s intentions, and if such information even hints at nuclear escalation, Russia will be wiped off the map to limit damage to the west. This game is for all the marbles. You have more confidence in our government than I do. That is possible, but I don't think its likely. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:14:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: goneshootin]
[#39]
Interesting. Fox News just said Zelensky will no longer speak of the weapons support he's receiving, he'd rather just surprise the Russians. And he will no longer speak of peace terms publicly. They're better off done in private. 
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:17:56 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: Guys, there's a war on and it sucks. But nothing that is happening over there graphs onto domestic politics, and it doesn't work that way even if you force it. But it does because THEY run everything and Putin is just a pawn to those people and I spend all my time researching it and have made it an intrinsic part of my personality so now everything must be connected to that.... By over there I'm assuming you're not in Europe anymore. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:21:18 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Yes, I’ve been saying exactly this for most of the thread. People need to get off the Trump/Biden right/left bullshit and take a cold, hard look at the situation. Putin is rattling the nuclear saber and has Europe and frankly the entire world terrified. He’s acting like a mad dog, and we put down mad dogs. The west has unified in a month and a nuclear first strike should no longer be considered unthinkable. It’s my opinion that the west probably has a source of accurate inside information on Putin’s intentions, and if such information even hints at nuclear escalation, Russia will be wiped off the map to limit damage to the west. This game is for all the marbles. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By sq40: That’s really the elephant in the room. Most assume Russia will use them first. Most assume that the US/Nato will only use them in response. 70 years of propaganda has made the west intuit that the only way to win a nuclear conflict is to not have one. All of those preconceived assumptions could just as easily be wrong. We could wake up in the morning to the news that every inch of Russia has been obliterated, and all of their subs and ships were sunk before they could retaliate. A whole different world, free of the “Russian Problem” that has caused so much global misery and death for a century. There has never been a better time for the west to make a surprise checkmate move. Yes, I’ve been saying exactly this for most of the thread. People need to get off the Trump/Biden right/left bullshit and take a cold, hard look at the situation. Putin is rattling the nuclear saber and has Europe and frankly the entire world terrified. He’s acting like a mad dog, and we put down mad dogs. The west has unified in a month and a nuclear first strike should no longer be considered unthinkable. It’s my opinion that the west probably has a source of accurate inside information on Putin’s intentions, and if such information even hints at nuclear escalation, Russia will be wiped off the map to limit damage to the west. This game is for all the marbles. Agree. Lets get it over with.  |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:21:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: A lot of people are badmouthing the Russians, and lets face it, they're doing pretty lousy...but if you took a US force and told them to drive, no aviation support, into s sea of MANPADS and javelins, at the timetable they are being pushed...there isnt a rabbit you can pull out of your hat. I dont want to be one of the "tank is dead" advocates but Im not sure theres an army that could do a whole lot better if Europe and teh US pretty much dumped tehir AT weapons on the place to be invaded. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: This. Even the US would take pretty horrific losses facing an insurgency armed with thousands of state of the art ATGMs and MANPADS. Basically need every armored convoy to have a couple drones with thermal cameras scouting ahead an providing an anti-infantry umbrella, zapping anyone lurking near the convoys approach. A lot of people are badmouthing the Russians, and lets face it, they're doing pretty lousy...but if you took a US force and told them to drive, no aviation support, into s sea of MANPADS and javelins, at the timetable they are being pushed...there isnt a rabbit you can pull out of your hat. I dont want to be one of the "tank is dead" advocates but Im not sure theres an army that could do a whole lot better if Europe and teh US pretty much dumped tehir AT weapons on the place to be invaded. The thing you're missing is that we would not send a US force without air support into a sea of javelins. That's sorta the whole point. Your whole premise is flawed. It's like saying "if the American military was retarded and has piss poor training and planning then we would take a lot of casualties too". Yeah that's why we're not retarded and train and plan. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:24:34 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: But it does because THEY run everything and Putin is just a pawn to those people and I spend all my time researching it and have made it an intrinsic part of my personality so now everything must be connected to that.... By over there I'm assuming you're not in Europe anymore. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Star_Scream: Originally Posted By eesmith: Guys, there's a war on and it sucks. But nothing that is happening over there graphs onto domestic politics, and it doesn't work that way even if you force it. But it does because THEY run everything and Putin is just a pawn to those people and I spend all my time researching it and have made it an intrinsic part of my personality so now everything must be connected to that.... By over there I'm assuming you're not in Europe anymore.     |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:25:35 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: My guess is that it’s not even destined for Ukraine but rather Syria? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By Balu: I may be dumb but how are they going to get in? Turkey closed the Bosporus. Are they going to fly the ships into the Black Sea? My guess is that it’s not even destined for Ukraine but rather Syria? That would make a lot more sense. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:26:08 AM EDT
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With Ukraine being a major exporter of wheat, you'd think this would be a major concern for the whole world.
Ukraine war: Russia blocks ships carrying grain exports "Up to 300 ships have been stopped by Russian forces from departing the Black Sea, leaving one of the key global trade routes for grain virtually blocked. The fertile region is known as 'the world's breadbasket.'" They can't seriously expect to get away with this for very long. 
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:28:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:29:00 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Balu: I may be dumb but how are they going to get in? Turkey closed the Bosporus. Are they going to fly the ships into the Black Sea? I remember the last time a Russian naval flotilla sailed Around the world to fight it didn’t end so well |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:29:12 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: What drivel. I provided the information that the chart being touted as being produced by the Rand Corp was not. Further, I explained why the leftist PropOrNot chart was misleading by explaining the difference between articles written by other authors, including those on the right, and the indigenous writers within the web site. Further, 30 seconds of looking would have told any competent person why trusting the PropOrNot team would be a bad idea: PropOrNot's grandiose fabrications and Even the WaPo doesn't believe them and The Intercept article As I said previously, you can remain ignorant if you so choose. I'm done discussing this topic. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By Voland: Originally Posted By kncook: ZeroHedge is Russian owned. You keep saying that... but whats your proof? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124774/1D97CFAC-D140-4B8C-A888-63C17AFD7FF8-2316045.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124774/CFFAAE6B-E1E5-427A-8C89-3BF71290056B-2316047.jpg This is just complete crap. None of that is true. You sure? This is the source: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR2200/RR2237/RAND_RR2237.pdf ETA: Published in 2018 at the direction of the Trump DoD - "This research was sponsored by the Office of the Secretary of Defense’s Rapid Reaction Technology Office and conducted within the International Security and Defense Policy Center of the RAND National Defense Research Institute, a federally funded research and development center sponsored by the Office of the Secretary of Defense, the Joint Staff, the Unified Combatant Commands, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the defense agencies, and the defense Intelligence Community." Absolutely certain. That chart is complete nonsense. And, it comes from the leftist group "PropOrNot Team", not the Rand Corp. In case you are unfamiliar with the way ZeroHedge works (which clearly Rand wasn't), they have both original content which they have under the byline pseudonym "Tyler Durden" and they also have guest articles from a variety of contributors (including those on the right). Enough thread slide. Believe what you wish. So, in other words, you like Zero Hedge and, because of your personal investment in it, don't want to accept that it's not what you thought it was. And it's not a thread slide. Once again, we're discussing Russian propaganda, which they view as one prong of their military doctrine, and it's outlets. It's fully on topic. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/81F17490-B709-42FF-B5AB-2E03B119D399-228-2305506.JPG No, I'm saying you are completely wrong and have indicated why that is so. You can choose to accept you are wrong or can continue in your ignorance. It has nothing to do with Russian prongs of their military doctrine which we already know includes lies, deceit, misinformation, and propaganda. BTW, in my estimation, the Russians are currently failing in that part of their military every bit as much as their forces in Ukraine. Your only indication of my being incorrect amounts to "Your pictures are nonsense and PropOrNot is leftist because I said so, so what you posted is wrong". It's pretty much all there in this quote chain. Given that, who do I accept as more accurate... Some rando on the internet that says "take my word for it" or a widely regarded think tank the US DoD hires for research on matters vital to national security? Real tough choice there... By the way, congrats on being able to clear through a 149 page, fully annotated, study in just 21 minutes when the approximate reading time of it is around 3 hours! What drivel. I provided the information that the chart being touted as being produced by the Rand Corp was not. Further, I explained why the leftist PropOrNot chart was misleading by explaining the difference between articles written by other authors, including those on the right, and the indigenous writers within the web site. Further, 30 seconds of looking would have told any competent person why trusting the PropOrNot team would be a bad idea: PropOrNot's grandiose fabrications and Even the WaPo doesn't believe them and The Intercept article As I said previously, you can remain ignorant if you so choose. I'm done discussing this topic. At no point was the chart "touted" as being RAND produced. It's pretty clearly labeled as to where they sourced the data (in those annotations I mentioned). Are you saying RAND is incapable of vetting the information it includes in its own studies? As an aside, your using one of the listed sites as an ostensibly objective refutation of said study is beyond laughable - "We have investigated ourselves and cleared ourselves of any wrongdoing." Once again, rando on the internet with the power of Google or a think tank charged with shaping national security policy going back 70+ years. Certainly a hard choice for the objective reader... With the corner you've painted yourself into, I can clearly see why you keep trying to hastily distance yourself from this conversation. Resume your absorption of Russian propaganda as fact at your own peril, just don't try and convince everyone else it's unassailable fact. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:29:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Ryan_Ruck]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AaronR: the fact that you are even attempting to argue that PropOrNot is some legitimate source......is the LULZ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AaronR: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Nor does it claim it's invalid. "No validity", in your words = invalid. They are taking a neutral position so... the fact that you are even attempting to argue that PropOrNot is some legitimate source......is the LULZ I'm sorry, you are whom? ETA: Oh, that's right. You're one of the Russian propagandists the site staff allows to keep stinking up the place...  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 1:34:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: j_hooker]
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@eesmith
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