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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:15:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverBearX: He has bordered on full retard more than once in this thread. He’s also gone on a full 3 page detail that has nothing to do with the Russian-Ukraine war. Dude needs to step back |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:16:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
220 million euro for economy the size of Estonia is huge. Proportionally, it's like if US donated 1.5 trillion dollars to Ukraine. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:16:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of "being an American means I believe in freedom" but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn't matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee's tomorrow that it's impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Much of the American Right has been opposed to nationalism for a very long time, myself included, as well as being in opposition to other ideas originating in the French Revolution (such as socialism). I don't consider it a good ideological trait at all and it tends to lead to bad things, whether intended or not. Also, some of what Orban has been doing is dangerous and can easily lead to outright tyranny, which is why most of the Right has opposed moves in that direction in this country, as tempting as it can be, especially given how much a threat the Left has become (I can definitely sympathize with Orban on that note). American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of "being an American means I believe in freedom" but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn't matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee's tomorrow that it's impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:18:08 PM EST
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 How Much $$ To Drive Tank From MOSCOW to KYIV? ???????? |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:18:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Barn Find - Ukrainian farmers with a crashed Russian Ka-52 helicopter  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vla15OSq1YA(Artistic license taken with translation...) |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:19:49 PM EST
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We were promised a 5-days march and mountains of gold – Russian occupants about the war in Ukraine
 We were promised a 5-days march and mountains of gold – Russian occupants about the war in Ukraine |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:20:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: No actually, he should keep going. I like these dissections of American Nationalism viz Euro Nationalism. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Just stop there. No actually, he should keep going. I like these dissections of American Nationalism viz Euro Nationalism. It’s really not the thread for it but if I didn’t stand by it would not have said it. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:20:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: Poland could "invade" and "annex" that part of Ukraine. There is no rule book that says the Poles have to try to impose thier will on the Ukrainians or that the Ukrainians have to resist. It sounds ridiculous, but what could Manlet and Lapdog say? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By GreenMushroom: Originally Posted By m35ben: Polish peacekeeping forces on the northern border can help with this. I've generally been against outside involvement but it's an interesting idea. The Russians have had their shit pushed in hard but show no signs of giving up. While I'm sure the Poles would jump at the chance they might not be the best choice  Would be interesting to see if the northern front could effectively be sealed off by some sort of peace keeping action. Backroom deal for Chinese peacekeepers? Vlad wouldn't know whether to shit or go blind  Ironically, it would be straight from Russia's playbook. There's obviously a bunch of ethnic Poles in that region that need protecting. *wink* *nod* Poland could "invade" and "annex" that part of Ukraine. There is no rule book that says the Poles have to try to impose thier will on the Ukrainians or that the Ukrainians have to resist. It sounds ridiculous, but what could Manlet and Lapdog say? They would be colluding with Russia in that case. I don't see that happening and the Poles would honor borders. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:21:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: Dude keep it within your lane. At this point, you're almost on the level of calling someone's sister a whore; they can say it but you shouldn't. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: Originally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Much of the American Right has been opposed to nationalism for a very long time, myself included, as well as being in opposition to other ideas originating in the French Revolution (such as socialism). I don't consider it a good ideological trait at all and it tends to lead to bad things, whether intended or not. Also, some of what Orban has been doing is dangerous and can easily lead to outright tyranny, which is why most of the Right has opposed moves in that direction in this country, as tempting as it can be, especially given how much a threat the Left has become (I can definitely sympathize with Orban on that note). American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of "being an American means I believe in freedom" but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn't matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee's tomorrow that it's impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. I don't especially agree with his take on Ukraine but he is absolutely spot on here. I would add the same might be said of Russia, ironically enough. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:21:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Balu: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/deOINby-52.gif That may be your opinion but it's objectively and categorically wrong. A single unified ethnic group does not a nation make, and hardly any country would qualify as a nation if the definition required monolithic ethnicity. No nation in Europe consists 100% of a single ethnic group. So that idea is totally false. Also, no nation exists where everyone agrees with everyone else all the time. So, just because there are political factions and disagreements in a country that does not mean that it's not a nation. Again, by that standard no country could be considered a nation because there are different points of view and people with clashing agendas everywhere. The United States is definitely a nation, or if it isn't then there is no such thing as a "nation" at all. It's actually been one of the strongest and most clearly defined nations in the world, and even now it would be if not for the corruption of the American political class. Everyday Americans agree on more than they disagree. I am not wrong. We are a federal republic, and one characterised by sectional and cultural differences since before independence. We don't have a unifying culture, just really some concept of freedom (and really the only thing that keeps this place together at this point is the economic market). 
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:22:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: The only reason the Donbass situation with the DNR/LPR has festered for so long was the now-defunct Minsk Agreement: Withdrawal of all heavy weapons by both sides by equal distances in order to create a security zone of at least 50km wide from each other for the artillery systems of caliber of 100 and more, a security zone of 70km wide for MLRS and 140km wide for MLRS Tornado-S, Uragan, Smerch and Tactical Missile Systems (Tochka, Tochka U) You can't make an advance against WWI style fortifications if you can't bring artillery over 100mm within 50 km of the front line; and you can't bring BM-21 within 50 km of the lines (seeing as the range of BM-21 is 45 km and you'd like some distance between you and the front line anyway). These restrictions no longer apply, and show once again that arms control, in whatever form it may take, is insane. Ukraine should start gathering heavy caliber artillery and preparing for the liberation of the Donbass -- a smart officer with a programmable calculator, GPS locator, and radio/drone access should be enough to walk fire onto WWI style trenches and crush them with a minimum of shells now that you can wheel 122mm D-30 Howitzers up to within 5 km of the frontlines (it has a range of 15 km) and start raining hate down. Furthermore; from 2018 to 2022 violating Minsk and pushing the DNR/LPR back into Russia was possible, but that would have provoked a major Russian reaction and painted Ukraine as the Aggressor; so they had to do nothing but take years of casualties in WWI trench warfare redux in Donbass. But now... what reason does Ukraine now have to hold to the Minsk Agreements? The units that would have attacked if Minsk was violated have been destroyed over the last 40 days, including a majority of the Russian Elite Formations like 4 Guards Tank Division and the VDV.... |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:23:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: hiyaboa]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Much of the American Right has been opposed to nationalism for a very long time, myself included, as well as being in opposition to other ideas originating in the French Revolution (such as socialism). I don't consider it a good ideological trait at all and it tends to lead to bad things, whether intended or not. Also, some of what Orban has been doing is dangerous and can easily lead to outright tyranny, which is why most of the Right has opposed moves in that direction in this country, as tempting as it can be, especially given how much a threat the Left has become (I can definitely sympathize with Orban on that note). American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. I think people are confusing what you’re referring to as nationalism and patriotism. The closest thing to nationalists you’ll see in the US are Texans and to lesser extent, southerners. It’s not just about politics. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:24:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rca2222: Lots of Russians look Asian. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rca2222: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By Dracster: This has to be a mistranslation "T-80BV tanks of the Russian Armed Forces given to the fighters of the People's Militia of the People's Republic of China in the battles near Severodonetsk." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-05_12-32-46_jpg-2338806.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-05_12-32-47_jpg-2338807.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-05_12-32-48_jpg-2338808.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-05_12-32-48__2__jpg-2338809.JPG Source?  Thanks!ETA: I got this on translate. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/2022-04-05_17-27-45_jpg-2338889.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/2022-04-05_17-27-59_jpg-2338891.JPG LPR would make more sense than PRC but, those chaps do look Asian...  Lots of Russians look Asian. Oh yes, I'm quite familiar. Was just mentioning it because it would make the rumors in the mistranslation more easily believable given it. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:24:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: Anyone for CANCELING Ukraine's debt? Who really benefits from this war ongoing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbo5ApHmjiMRussia invaded Ukraine. Russia is currently committing war crimes against Ukraine civilians. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:24:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryBased on the pics of a lot of the russian equip. t bet the tune on them isn't very good, I think they would break down on the way |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:26:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Balu: Who do you think is one of the main shadow puppeteers that tell Biden what to do? Biden isn't calling the shots. FBHO is deeply involved behind the scenes you can bet on that. The Afghanistan withdrawal mess, renewing the Iranian nuke deal, talking to Venezuela about oil, hard core leftist SC nominees, all that stuff has his fingerprints on it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Balu: Originally Posted By MarneRock: Originally Posted By realwar: Meanwhile today at the White House Nobody Wants To Talk To Joe Biden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_lF3n9bbZgWhat the fuck is the piece of shit Obama doing there? He is getting more attention, I wonder why? Who do you think is one of the main shadow puppeteers that tell Biden what to do? Biden isn't calling the shots. FBHO is deeply involved behind the scenes you can bet on that. The Afghanistan withdrawal mess, renewing the Iranian nuke deal, talking to Venezuela about oil, hard core leftist SC nominees, all that stuff has his fingerprints on it. 12th anniversary of Obamacare. He’s there getting his ego stroked. I’d love to hear a reporter jam him up on everyone paying more for healthcare because of him. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:26:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vampgrrl: We are not a nation. We haven't ever been a nation. There was some illusion of nationhood that existed from 1941-1980/90ish. There has always been sectionalist conflict and now its urban/rural plus the massive numbers of new and 1/2nd generation immigrants. You don't think that goes on everywhere? Factionalism, sectarianism, etc. aren't exclusive of nationhood. The US is one of the most outstanding examples of "nationhood" on the planet. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:26:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: WIth the Russkies largely being gone from the north east portion of the country... maybe its time to try to push east then south to belgorod >_> A successful attack could throw a massive monkey wrench into the plans for the southeast sector. I'm sure the Ukraine forces are tired and battle weary, I get that. But they need to press as hard as they can as fast as they can. I'd like to see a lot more foreign volunteers throwing in to help. If I was able to go I would get my affairs in order and assume I might never make it home, and I would go myself. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:26:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brok3n: I'm sure you mean well, but this is why most Americans here view Europeans as smug and arrogant to include myself.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:27:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Balu: Where are the street signs in Hungarian? If you think those in the picture you posted are in Hungarian you are mistaken. They are not. "may have" is how bullshit propaganda is spread in the press. Trump "may have" colluded with Russia... oops he never did. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Balu: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By HIPPO: From one (former) Oregonian to another, thank you for sharing insights and perspective here. I, and others, sincerely appreciate your contributions. What would it take for Hungary to take a more overt role in confronting Russian aggression in Ukraine? What is preventing Orban from aligning more with the rest of the EU against Russia? We hear a lot about how Germany and Hungary are the big hold-outs in that bloc. Genuinely trying to understand more about this part of the conflict. Thanks! You need to understand that he is either misinformed or is a liar. He has told people that Ukraine has outlawed speaking of Hungarian and the teaching of it in school and this is absolutely untrue. Do you think that schools in the dark red parts of Texas would be best served to only teach in Spanish or do you think they would be best served to allow students to speak Spanish at home and be taught in English at school? This is exactly the “discrimination” he is not exactly being truthful about. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/3B87E364-14F7-4C06-AD85-ED8B44429A7C_jpe-2338867.JPG All Hungarians want is to suck off the EU teat and Putin’s dick at the same time. Ukrainian government allows even street signs to be in Hungarian: https://media2.malaymail.com/uploads/articles/2022/2022-03/ukraine-hungary-border-AFP.jpg And Orbon pumps money into elections to get Hungarians elected over Ukrainians in this border area. I stated back around page 20 that Orbon may have gotten a guarantee from Putin that Hungary will get SW Ukraine when Russia takes over if he stays "neutral". Where are the street signs in Hungarian? If you think those in the picture you posted are in Hungarian you are mistaken. They are not. "may have" is how bullshit propaganda is spread in the press. Trump "may have" colluded with Russia... oops he never did. "Beregovo is a town in the Transcarpathian region in western Ukraine. It may not seem Ukrainian from the outside – almost all signs have been translated into Hungarian, the flags of Hungary fly on the roofs of houses, and Hungarian channels are available on local TV." And since YOU had to bring Trump into this, maybe you can explain "best people" Paul Manafort and his role in this Russian invasion which was significant. I can. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:28:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Krater: 220 million euro for economy the size of Estonia is huge. Proportionally, it's like if US donated 1.5 trillion dollars to Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Krater: Originally Posted By Chokey:
I'm sure the word "donated" is used liberally there. It's likely the USA has or will reimburse Estonia. However, the only real military Estonia has is the army. They have about 4k full time soldiers, but something like a quarter of a million reservists. Given that Estonia's total population is under 1.5 million, that is a huge amount of reservists. I'm guessing Estonia uses an unusual way of counting who is in their reserve forces. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:29:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. This is fairly spot-on and explains a lot of Americans' failure to understand nationalism in general and nationalism in other nations specifically. Americans that think there isn't this level of disagreement just need to get out and travel more. Much of the dysfunction and anger started with the breakdown in federalism; it's easier to feel that those with whom you disagree on many points are your countrymen when the disagreements don't matter because they're local policy, and national issues only concern areas of agreement. This is also why it's so easy to reach alignment with others all over the world on specific large topics - like Russian assholery. You are not going to be arguing with these people in your local school board meeting. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:30:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: This is also off-topic. But the Warsaw Pact should totally get back together - without Russia. Let Eastern Europe form its own free trade zone and mutual defense pact without the Brussels BS. Baltics, Poland, Hungary, Czechia, Slovakia, Romania, Ukraine, Belorussia (if they can sort out their puppet status and get clear of Moscow). They're the ones most affected by Russia, and for all the posing Russia couldn't beat them all. Let them form a trade agreement with western Europe limited to trade matters, not social policy as the EU wants to be a United States of Europe with an un-elected and unaccountable government in Brussels. Back to Ukraine conflict! Interesting. Possibly not a horrible concept. I always enjoy your posts. You seem to stay fairly logical on things and don't appear arrogant. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:30:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By solid: I'm fairly sure we are a nation. I guess you'll never get it though. Try the decaf. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By solid: Originally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Much of the American Right has been opposed to nationalism for a very long time, myself included, as well as being in opposition to other ideas originating in the French Revolution (such as socialism). I don't consider it a good ideological trait at all and it tends to lead to bad things, whether intended or not. Also, some of what Orban has been doing is dangerous and can easily lead to outright tyranny, which is why most of the Right has opposed moves in that direction in this country, as tempting as it can be, especially given how much a threat the Left has become (I can definitely sympathize with Orban on that note). American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. I'm fairly sure we are a nation. I guess you'll never get it though. Try the decaf. Easy. It doesn’t appear to be intended as an insult, it’s a comparison. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:31:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: Dude keep it within your lane. At this point, you're almost on the level of calling someone's sister a whore; they can say it but you shouldn't. I'm not sure we are a nation anymore. Nations have borders. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:31:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vampgrrl: I am not wrong. We are a federal republic, You are completely wrong. That childish map implies that you define nationhood as all agreeing uniformly on one short-term political platform. E.g., which leader is picked which year. Nationhood is a much bigger concept. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:32:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Oh yes, I'm quite familiar. Was just mentioning it because it would make the rumors in the mistranslation more easily believable given it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By rca2222: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By Dracster: This has to be a mistranslation "T-80BV tanks of the Russian Armed Forces given to the fighters of the People's Militia of the People's Republic of China in the battles near Severodonetsk." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-05_12-32-46_jpg-2338806.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-05_12-32-47_jpg-2338807.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-05_12-32-48_jpg-2338808.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-05_12-32-48__2__jpg-2338809.JPG Source? Thanks!ETA: I got this on translate. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/2022-04-05_17-27-45_jpg-2338889.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/2022-04-05_17-27-59_jpg-2338891.JPG LPR would make more sense than PRC but, those chaps do look Asian... Lots of Russians look Asian. Oh yes, I'm quite familiar. Was just mentioning it because it would make the rumors in the mistranslation more easily believable given it. There is a video of a Ukrainian on one of those Internet revolving web chat apps attempting to talk to Russians. He has a Ukrainian flag behind him and is immediately shit upon by Russians for being Ukrainian. As a reminder,one of the arguments was -past tense-that Ukrainians are brothers to Russians but just held under an abusive Nazi regime…so why hate the average Ukrainian again? Well,one of these random chats has a Tuvan or Buryat sitting with some Slavic Russians who immediately launches into hating on this guy for being a Ukrainian. Why would he do that ? To show how much of a real Russian he is. Mind you,ethnic minorities are treated like absolute shit. About 1200 pages ago I linked a video of an Asian cadet being hazed by Slavs. Taking it out on Ukrainians instead is a way to show one as actually being part of the group. I think that if it comes out that troops from the Far East are involved in the war crimes and that Asian minorities are among those responsible,which I think is likely to happen,it will be this dynamic at play. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:34:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: Miracle_Pants]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Ethnic nationalism is one specific type of nationalism. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By Miracle_Pants: He is not entirely wrong. The term nation outside the US often also carries a racial implication. We simply do not have this here as we are a nation of many races. I would argue that political affiliation is far more important than race or any other consideration here in terms of group identity. This racial meaning to nation is why Russia uses the excuse of ethnic Russia in other countries in order to invade or why our Hungarian member here is so concerned for ethnic Hungarians who are Ukrainian citizens. I think this is important to understand why European behavior often seems bizarre to us. Ethnic nationalism is one specific type of nationalism. I am aware but when Europeans speak of nationalism they mean it in the "blood and soil" sense. Which simply doesn't work here. Anyone whose family has been in the US for long enough is pretty mixed. I myself have ancestors from Scotland, Ireland, England, Germany, Italy, Lebanon, and the Chickasaw nation. On top of that I have cousins who also have Hungarian Jewish ancestry and African ancestry. This is why we use such broad racial terms such as "white" or "black" here but Europeans do not. That being said, I do disagree with outofbattery on him saying we have no common heritage. We of course do though it is very young comparatively speaking. In my opinion ours is a heritage born of constant conflict. Fighting against oppression, fighting to survive on the frontier, fighting within and without to establish what is just and right. We are the "great experiment" a people born of many nations, struggling against authoritarianism to decided our own fate and trying to uphold the ideals of our founding. This is far off topic so I will stop now. Though I do think these differences in the concept of nation are important for understanding European conflicts. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:36:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: Eh... I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but I read something written by an agriculture type breaking down the global wheat/grain supply. The short version was something along the lines of "while everyone is making a big deal about Russia and Ukraine being responsible for ~20% of global wheat exports, that's just exports. Because most grain is consumed domestically by the nation that produced it, those exports are only about ~2% of the total global supply." Obviously, that's easy for me to say as someone sitting in the middle of the US Midwest, and it's a much harder pill to swallow for the Middle East and Norther Africa. Either way, if that's even close to accurate, I would guess the rest of the world can adjust to compensate. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
This is intentional, and part of the larger strategic campaign against the West. Second order effects from the conflict in Ukraine will lead to major food disruptions. We've already heard Zeihan and others talk about the major disruption in fertilizer markets, which will drive down grain yields, which will drive up hunger, leading to another massive refugee crisis. Zeihan said famine could cause a population loss of two billion, which would be literally Biblical: And I looked, and behold, a pale horse, and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over a fourth part of the earth to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. Zeihan may be overstating things, but the disruptive effects of blocking trade in grain is real and genuine. Places like Turkey and Egypt get a lot of grain from Ukraine. Russia means to destroy Ukraine, and destroying their markets is one of the tools. By destroying markets for Ukrainian grain, the food crisis will drive millions to flee countries with food crises, seeking access to Europe and America that have better agricultural bases able to withstand the short-term grain shock. The migration crisis will destabilize Western nations (you can't say no to starving people!), and take their attention from Russian aggression against their neighbors. That gives cover for the Ukrainian genocide they've already planned and announced. Eh... I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but I read something written by an agriculture type breaking down the global wheat/grain supply. The short version was something along the lines of "while everyone is making a big deal about Russia and Ukraine being responsible for ~20% of global wheat exports, that's just exports. Because most grain is consumed domestically by the nation that produced it, those exports are only about ~2% of the total global supply." Obviously, that's easy for me to say as someone sitting in the middle of the US Midwest, and it's a much harder pill to swallow for the Middle East and Norther Africa. Either way, if that's even close to accurate, I would guess the rest of the world can adjust to compensate. You are leaving out that while most grain produced by Ukraine (and Russia) is consumed in the country, if they cannot produce, then they don't have any for their internal consumption. So they will be competing with everyone else for the reduced global wheat output. Other countries cannot make up the reduced exports from these countries, as will as the increased demand from them. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:37:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hiyaboa: I think people are confusing what you’re referring to as nationalism and patriotism. The closest thing to nationalists you’ll see in the US are Texans and to lesser extent, southerners. It’s not just about politics. 
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:38:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
I have a theory that all of those E3's are feeding info to what's left of the Ukrainian AD system so they can leave their radars off until the last minute so as to not be targeted. I'm just an idiot and don't know if it's even possible.
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:38:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: A natural or artificial depression in the ground that's used as cover. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-VSR6ZcQWHk/maxresdefault.jpg https://cdn10.picryl.com/photo/1983/07/28/a-left-front-view-of-an-m-1-tank-in-a-defilade-position-created-by-an-m-9-armored-ea2879-1024.jpg I think there was a joke in there Col. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:40:56 PM EST
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:40:58 PM EST
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[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Easy. It doesn’t appear to be intended as an insult, it’s a comparison. I wasn't insulted at all. There are people here in this thread which believe it or not i trust way more than the MSM,lot's of info presented and figured out. When a certain fact like we are or are not a nation is tossed around like we don't give a shit about other parts of the country we don't live in or we don't care about California or Wyoming or Massachusetts etc. i am damn well going to say something. Edit: Carry on |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:41:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. Dude, seriously, you don't get it. Maybe consider the fact that americans would in no way be injured by russia conquering Ukraine. But americans have volunteered to risk their own lives so that Ukraine can be free, largely because Ukraine has demonstrated they are willing to fight for their own freedom. I don't see how you don't get this. Americans are very proud of the fact that we are all under the same flag while having wildly different histories often having spilled blood against each other. I have the blood of the people who were already here, and also the europeans who invaded those people. I'm American. Holy shit. I fully expect this isn't going to only derail this thread. It's going to take it off the tracks, crash it at the bottom of a gorge, and set it on fire. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:42:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. The fact that the US is well over 200 times the size of Estonia and much less homologous with far more varied geography and climate would tend to dictate that nationalism/patriotism would look far different. That said, if you think most Americans aren't fiercely proud of what we have and very invested in protecting what we have you don't understand America at all. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:48:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Just stop there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By outofbattery: American nationalism is a bizarre concept because there is no American nation. You simply do not have the defining characteristics of a nation in regards to having a common heritage and history. You have the nebulous idea of “being an American means I believe in freedom” but that has volumes upon volumes of every law in the land as caveats. I can tell you why I am an Estonian and distinct to a Latvian or Russian but every distinction that an American makes against a European can easily be made against another American. Really,Americans dislike each other so much for having differences of political opinion that it doesn’t matter that both people had a German great-grandmother,their favorite sport is baseball and both want to go to Applebee’s tomorrow that it’s impossible to consider them members of the same nation. Look at how much hate a conservative from California gets for wanting to move to Texas,let alone a liberal from Connecticut. Members of a nation do not treat each other in this manner. Without a nation it is impossible to be a nationalist. Just stop there. He's a smart guy and interesting to listen to but.. He does like taking the backhanded jabs at America. Yet without us his entire country may have been wiped out. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:48:14 PM EST
[#38]
Can we please stop derailing this thread with arguments about US nationhood? Take it to another thread ffs.
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:50:20 PM EST
[#39]
Sky News visits war-torn hospital in Kramatorsk, eastern Ukraine
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:51:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: Can we please stop derailing this thread with arguments about US nationhood? Take it to another thread ffs. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:52:11 PM EST
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:53:13 PM EST
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:54:27 PM EST
[#43]
Guys can we be less tarded in this thread if I wanted full retarded I would read the other threads in GD. This is really the only thread I am willing to read GD just makes me sick.
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:54:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vampgrrl: I am not wrong. We are a federal republic, and one characterised by sectional and cultural differences since before independence. We don't have a unifying culture, just really some concept of freedom (and really the only thing that keeps this place together at this point is the economic market). https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*lt4zbxt5zJzj6wlgaWbZNA.png Those lables make zero sense. |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:54:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: There is a video of a Ukrainian on one of those Internet revolving web chat apps attempting to talk to Russians. He has a Ukrainian flag behind him and is immediately shit upon by Russians for being Ukrainian. As a reminder,one of the arguments was -past tense-that Ukrainians are brothers to Russians but just held under an abusive Nazi regime…so why hate the average Ukrainian again? Well,one of these random chats has a Tuvan or Buryat sitting with some Slavic Russians who immediately launches into hating on this guy for being a Ukrainian. Why would he do that ? To show how much of a real Russian he is. Mind you,ethnic minorities are treated like absolute shit. About 1200 pages ago I linked a video of an Asian cadet being hazed by Slavs. Taking it out on Ukrainians instead is a way to show one as actually being part of the group. I think that if it comes out that troops from the Far East are involved in the war crimes and that Asian minorities are among those responsible,which I think is likely to happen,it will be this dynamic at play. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By rca2222: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By Dracster: This has to be a mistranslation "T-80BV tanks of the Russian Armed Forces given to the fighters of the People's Militia of the People's Republic of China in the battles near Severodonetsk." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-05_12-32-46_jpg-2338806.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-05_12-32-47_jpg-2338807.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-05_12-32-48_jpg-2338808.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-05_12-32-48__2__jpg-2338809.JPG Source? Thanks!ETA: I got this on translate. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/2022-04-05_17-27-45_jpg-2338889.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/2022-04-05_17-27-59_jpg-2338891.JPG LPR would make more sense than PRC but, those chaps do look Asian... Lots of Russians look Asian. Oh yes, I'm quite familiar. Was just mentioning it because it would make the rumors in the mistranslation more easily believable given it. There is a video of a Ukrainian on one of those Internet revolving web chat apps attempting to talk to Russians. He has a Ukrainian flag behind him and is immediately shit upon by Russians for being Ukrainian. As a reminder,one of the arguments was -past tense-that Ukrainians are brothers to Russians but just held under an abusive Nazi regime…so why hate the average Ukrainian again? Well,one of these random chats has a Tuvan or Buryat sitting with some Slavic Russians who immediately launches into hating on this guy for being a Ukrainian. Why would he do that ? To show how much of a real Russian he is. Mind you,ethnic minorities are treated like absolute shit. About 1200 pages ago I linked a video of an Asian cadet being hazed by Slavs. Taking it out on Ukrainians instead is a way to show one as actually being part of the group. I think that if it comes out that troops from the Far East are involved in the war crimes and that Asian minorities are among those responsible,which I think is likely to happen,it will be this dynamic at play. No doubt. I saw that vid. I loved the people commenting, "BuT tHaT vIdEo Is FrOm 2014!", as though Russian public perception has actually improved since then. 
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:55:36 PM EST
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:56:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Guys can we be less tarded in this thread if I wanted full retarded I would read the other threads in GD. This is really the only thread I am willing to read GD just makes me sick. I am only half tarded so please dial back the tard a little https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/05/blockbuster-us-3-star-general-captured-leading-azov-nazis-in-mariupol-unconfirmed/ |
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:56:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: Can we please stop derailing this thread with arguments about US nationhood? Take it to another thread ffs. I second this. Big thanks to those posting links! 
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:57:38 PM EST
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Defected Russian soldiers & Anti-Putin Russians allegedly fighting under "Freedom of Russia" Legion
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Posted: 4/5/2022 6:57:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rustler: I'm guessing the turret popped off and landed hard on the weak asphalt. No way that is an entire tank Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rustler: Originally Posted By M-1975:
I'm guessing the turret popped off and landed hard on the weak asphalt. No way that is an entire tank The entire tank would have left an entire tank footprint. A comment on the video said it "went to tank hell." Works for me. |
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