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Originally Posted By HIPPO: It gets better
View Quote Germany gonna be on the wrong side of history for a third time? |
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Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: People get wound up in weird ways over watching videos of graphic death. I haven't watched any of them because I once watched a Chechen cut the head off a Russian. Like 20 years ago... Was plenty. Thanks. View Quote Wow, exactly the same for me. Saw the same video, talked my roommate into not watching it. And have been avoiding execution videos ever since. |
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“This is America damnit! I don’t think we will become like these other countries. I don’t think we can. Courage is too contagious here.” -James O’Keefe, 1/17/22
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Originally Posted By mancow: Yes it's strange. However consumed with hatred it's counterintuitive. The only explanation is a long running culture. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mancow: Originally Posted By cchurchi: Watching all of this has really shown me how much the Russian people are absolute fucking ghouls…. Raping and murdering children.. I hope they all burn in hell for eternity. Yes it's strange. However consumed with hatred it's counterintuitive. The only explanation is a long running culture. There is a creepy ass movie with Keanu Reeves called Siberia, on nextflix. If modern Russia is anything like portrayed, yikes. |
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“This is America damnit! I don’t think we will become like these other countries. I don’t think we can. Courage is too contagious here.” -James O’Keefe, 1/17/22
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Originally Posted By governmentman: I have some skepticism of these types of stories that portray Ukraine as significantly more prosperous than Russia. The GDP per capita and especially median income data doesn't line up with that concept. That being said, Fuck Russia and we should be helping Ukraine more. The post war situation should build Ukraine back more prosperous than Russia View Quote You understand a couple pieces of data but aren’t getting what it means in the real world. @governmentman Russia has a much different distribution of wealth. Yes,there are Ukrainian oligarchs and very poor people in Ukraine but the massive wealth gap between the top 100 Russians and the 140 million under them has a considerably different distribution of wealth than in Ukraine that isn’t as easily seen just with statistics. Moscow and Saint Petersburg are a world different to Pskov,let alone different to innumerable rural villages in European Russia to say nothing of Asiatic Russia. The suburbs of Kyiv are absolutely wealthier in absolute terms than the poorest parts of Ukraine but are certainly not wealthy by American or Western European standards but that is irrelevant because the marauders have come from very poor places. It has been discussed but since you have missed it will say it again: the Russian army is made up of the bottom of society. Urban families do not send their children to the army,they don’t. The Russians -and especially the Dagestsnis,Tuvans,Buryats…-sent to Ukraine are the poorest. If you grew up here Attached File or Attached File Ukrainians living in apartments or tiny brick houses who have iPhones and Nutella would seem wealthy to them. |
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Originally Posted By governmentman: I have some skepticism of these types of stories that portray Ukraine as significantly more prosperous than Russia. The GDP per capita and especially median income data doesn't line up with that concept. That being said, Fuck Russia and we should be helping Ukraine more. The post war situation should build Ukraine back more prosperous than Russia View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By governmentman: Originally Posted By outofbattery:
I have some skepticism of these types of stories that portray Ukraine as significantly more prosperous than Russia. The GDP per capita and especially median income data doesn't line up with that concept. That being said, Fuck Russia and we should be helping Ukraine more. The post war situation should build Ukraine back more prosperous than Russia That's easy. The vast majority of Russian wealth is concentrated in just a few cities. I've watched Bald and Bankrupt for years now. Most of Russia is beyond poor and this is where most of their military comes from. |
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NSFW: Don’t click if you don’t want to see civilian males that were bound and executed by Russian forces.
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Originally Posted By CharlieR: I think they are true; they don't reflect the per capita income of Russians vs Ukrainians vs that the reflect that the actual Russians on the ground in the Army are the expendables from rural poverty, to include the Stans, Siberia, etc. A Muscovite wouldn't be impressed, so either a) this story is BS or b) Muscovites arent getting drafted. https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1506479259866394625 View Quote A pretty popular Russian YouTuber,NFKRZ,made a video where he had a doctor show that he is unfit for the army. Every family who can afford this does so. As Roland as said in this thread,he knows no family in St Petersburg who had their son drafted. Russians look down on those who are conscripted as poor idiots. It’s not like there was much glory in being in the army. Would you go pick potatoes and live in unheated barracks for what now amounts to $6 per month? Putin doesn’t give a shit about poor Russians and minorities. Urban Russians don’t either. |
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Originally Posted By outofbattery: You understand a couple pieces of data but aren't getting what it means in the real world. @governmentman Russia has a much different distribution of wealth. Yes,there are Ukrainian oligarchs and very poor people in Ukraine but the massive wealth gap between the top 100 Russians and the 140 million under them has a considerably different distribution of wealth than in Ukraine that isn't as easily seen just with statistics. Moscow and Saint Petersburg are a world different to Pskov,let alone different to innumerable rural villages in European Russia to say nothing of Asiatic Russia. The suburbs of Kyiv are absolutely wealthier in absolute terms than the poorest parts of Ukraine but are certainly not wealthy by American or Western European standards but that is irrelevant because the marauders have come from very poor places. It has been discussed but since you have missed it will say it again: the Russian army is made up of the bottom of society. Urban families do not send their children to the army,they don't. The Russians -and especially the Dagestsnis,Tuvans,Buryats-sent to Ukraine are the poorest. If you grew up here https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/C0B1A0DA-CEE9-49A3-815C-53A4C3DCC9F9_jpe-2342946.JPG or https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/59C12062-7B59-4106-8422-35BD390A1D6D_jpe-2342950.JPG Ukrainians living in apartments or tiny brick houses who have iPhones and Nutella would seem wealthy to them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By governmentman: I have some skepticism of these types of stories that portray Ukraine as significantly more prosperous than Russia. The GDP per capita and especially median income data doesn't line up with that concept. That being said, Fuck Russia and we should be helping Ukraine more. The post war situation should build Ukraine back more prosperous than Russia You understand a couple pieces of data but aren't getting what it means in the real world. @governmentman Russia has a much different distribution of wealth. Yes,there are Ukrainian oligarchs and very poor people in Ukraine but the massive wealth gap between the top 100 Russians and the 140 million under them has a considerably different distribution of wealth than in Ukraine that isn't as easily seen just with statistics. Moscow and Saint Petersburg are a world different to Pskov,let alone different to innumerable rural villages in European Russia to say nothing of Asiatic Russia. The suburbs of Kyiv are absolutely wealthier in absolute terms than the poorest parts of Ukraine but are certainly not wealthy by American or Western European standards but that is irrelevant because the marauders have come from very poor places. It has been discussed but since you have missed it will say it again: the Russian army is made up of the bottom of society. Urban families do not send their children to the army,they don't. The Russians -and especially the Dagestsnis,Tuvans,Buryats-sent to Ukraine are the poorest. If you grew up here https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/C0B1A0DA-CEE9-49A3-815C-53A4C3DCC9F9_jpe-2342946.JPG or https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/59C12062-7B59-4106-8422-35BD390A1D6D_jpe-2342950.JPG Ukrainians living in apartments or tiny brick houses who have iPhones and Nutella would seem wealthy to them. To put it in North American terms; it is like an Hispanic who grew up in some shitty Latin barrio or colonia being surprised by how nice an American trailer park is. |
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The avalanche has already started; it is too late for the pebbles to vote.
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I am Government Man, come from the government.
PA, USA
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Originally Posted By CharlieR: I think they are true; they don't reflect the per capita income of Russians vs Ukrainians vs that the reflect that the actual Russians on the ground in the Army are the expendables from rural poverty, to include the Stans, Siberia, etc. A Muscovite wouldn't be impressed, so either a) this story is BS or b) Muscovites arent getting drafted. https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1506479259866394625 View Quote That would make a lot of sense, I hadn't considered the probability that those conscripted are from the absolute bottom of the economic spectrum Looking at the stats again, I see Ukraine's mean and median income are much closer together than Russia's, which would support this as well. |
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Checked past three pages, no mention. From twitter:
Samuel Ramani @SamRamani2 Japan removed Ukraine's Azov Battalion from its list of terrorist organizations, where it was previously described as a Neo-Nazi group This has caused an immediate escalation of tensions with Russia |
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Originally Posted By zach_: No more acronyms allowed. Thank You z View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By zach_: Originally Posted By Element94: Glossary for acronyms please. No more acronyms allowed. Thank You z It's a casual thread which has some smart people participating in it. The abbreviations above were common and germane to the subject matter. It's incumbent upon the reader to do some research and learn what they mean. |
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Originally Posted By HIPPO:
View Quote So what, one B-52's worth of targets? |
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream: Interesting patch on the guy in front of the camera guy. View Quote I wouldn't read too much into it, I have seen about 3 different countries flags, and that has been just on the easy stuff like surplus field jackets. I have also (surprisingly) seen a couple people wearing surplus UCP (no name tapes or patches of any kind). I guess it beats dirtying up your regular clothes. |
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I am Government Man, come from the government.
PA, USA
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Originally Posted By governmentman: That would make a lot of sense, I hadn't considered the probability that those conscripted are from the absolute bottom of the economic spectrum Looking at the stats again, I see Ukraine's mean and median income are much closer together than Russia's, which would support this as well. View Quote Looking further, the bottom 20% in Russia accounts for 5.5% of all income https://www.statista.com/statistics/1018199/combined-income-distribution-in-russia-by-population-level/ Ukraine that figure is 10.3% https://www.statista.com/statistics/1264567/ukraine-income-distribution-by-decile-group/ So while the average Russian is slightly wealthier than the average Ukrainian, the Ukrainian poor are actually doing much better than their Russian counterparts. So if the conscripts are predominantly from the poorest areas (which sounds plausible), that anecdote is a lot more credible than I thought. I retract my skepticism. |
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Russian leaders order troops to kill civilians | NewsNation |
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“This is America damnit! I don’t think we will become like these other countries. I don’t think we can. Courage is too contagious here.” -James O’Keefe, 1/17/22
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Trophy BTR-82A already works against zagarbnikov
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Originally Posted By HIPPO:
View Quote This may be true. I have no idea but a lot of people claim to be Russian there. But I would never trust a referendum held by Putin's Russia. |
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Articulated a bit less bombastically than James Vasquez. Link in case I screwed up the twitter imbed. |
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.... did you just congratulate OP on not killing people? -phurba
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Germany gonna be on the wrong side of history for a third time? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By HIPPO: It gets better
Germany gonna be on the wrong side of history for a third time? LePen is from France. |
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Originally Posted By HIPPO:
View Quote This proves that she is either a Useful Idiot or a bought and paid for Stooge for Russia. |
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"... I can't look at hovels and I can't stand fences..."
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US, Poland hold joint military exercise near Ukraine border
Ukraine war: US, Poland hold joint military exercise near Ukraine border |
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: The analogy is superb. We probably should remove all of the nuclear missiles we have installed in Ukraine then Russia will stop their invasion just like we quit bombing Cuba after the missiles left the island. View Quote There was some pro-Russian old woman being interviewed in a bomb shelter in the East somewhere in Ukraine saying the same thing...the USA was buying land in E. Ukraine for nuke bases. |
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Originally Posted By governmentman: I have some skepticism of these types of stories that portray Ukraine as significantly more prosperous than Russia. The GDP per capita and especially median income data doesn't line up with that concept. That being said, Fuck Russia and we should be helping Ukraine more. The post war situation should build Ukraine back more prosperous than Russia View Quote USSR/Russia never had a rural electrification project like the US did decades ago. The gap between a tiny town and major city in US is pretty small in terms of public utilities/services. Russia is the opposite. Tiny remote towns are more like a different country altogether than they are to the cities. Once again, it's about the way Russian leaders value their people. |
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Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: This proves that she is either a Useful Idiot or a bought and paid for Stooge for Russia. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
This proves that she is either a Useful Idiot or a bought and paid for Stooge for Russia. Both. |
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Originally Posted By SpaceGuy: So what, one B-52's worth of targets? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SpaceGuy: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
So what, one B-52's worth of targets? Correction, Lithuania. Not enough coffee, yet. Kalingrad is a large portion of the current angst that Russia has with Lithuania. With Lithuania working to close it's border with Belarus, and by extension Russia's land access to supply some 400k of it's citizens, they will take it as a direct escalation by NATO, depending on how things are handled. Just something to keep in mind. May also be part of the reason Russia pulled the forces back from the Kiev area, thinking that they may need those forces for something else. Either to, in their minds, relieve Kalingrad, or allow Ukraine forces to move east to engage their eastern forces and then cut those Ukraine forces off from behind. |
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In the end it only matters who is left, not who started it.
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Originally Posted By GTLandser: You got really purty words. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By GTLandser: Originally Posted By FDC: It's a casual thread which has some smart people participating in it. The abbreviations above were common and germane to the subject matter. It's incumbent upon the reader to do some research and learn what they mean. You got really purty words. I had to look up "germane" |
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Maniac has responded with a scornful remark
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I had to look up "germane" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By GTLandser: Originally Posted By FDC: It's a casual thread which has some smart people participating in it. The abbreviations above were common and germane to the subject matter. It's incumbent upon the reader to do some research and learn what they mean. You got really purty words. I had to look up "germane" He's one of the Jackson 5. Duh. |
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Originally Posted By zach_: No more acronyms allowed. Thank You z View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By zach_: Originally Posted By Element94: Glossary for acronyms please. No more acronyms allowed. Thank You z Ummm. You might want to rethink how you sign your posts. Especially in this thread. |
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Originally Posted By governmentman: I have some skepticism of these types of stories that portray Ukraine as significantly more prosperous than Russia. The GDP per capita and especially median income data doesn't line up with that concept. That being said, Fuck Russia and we should be helping Ukraine more. The post war situation should build Ukraine back more prosperous than Russia View Quote Maybe Russia is very polarized. Moscow was/is the most expensive city in the world some time ago. Lots of money there. Probably true of the other big cities. Meanwhile the smaller town and countryside is very poor and un-developed. Quess where 99% of the Russian soldiers come from... beaten by the 50 posters above... |
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Originally Posted By HIPPO:
This story is going to blow up. This shit is fucked. View Quote There's a disgusting video of him with an actual baby in the comments. Don't watch it if you already have high blood pressure. |
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Originally Posted By FDC: It's a casual thread which has some smart people participating in it. The abbreviations above were common and germane to the subject matter. It's incumbent upon the reader to do some research and learn what they mean. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FDC: Originally Posted By zach_: Originally Posted By Element94: Glossary for acronyms please. No more acronyms allowed. Thank You z It's a casual thread which has some smart people participating in it. The abbreviations above were common and germane to the subject matter. It's incumbent upon the reader to do some research and learn what they mean. BIOYA |
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Z - Deplorable Neanderthal
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Did the Russians intentionally target the civilians fleeing at the train station, or was that just random, incompetent artillery?
regardless, it's horrific |
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"People, ideas, and hardware...in that order!" Col John Boyd
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Originally Posted By doc540: Did the Russians intentionally target the civilians fleeing at the train station, or was that just random, incompetent artillery? regardless, it's horrific View Quote Unknown, bits I've read seem to indicate that the Russians thought it was Ukraine recruits/soldiers gathering; others say it was a mistargeted strike, others say it was Ukraine. Welcome to the fog of war, so to speak. |
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In the end it only matters who is left, not who started it.
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Where There Are Sheep, Wolves Will Always Thrive
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Originally Posted By mbinky: https://i.postimg.cc/0NM0Ls5d/UCV.jpg View Quote I got that instantly. Now I feel old, and sad. And you should feel bad. |
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Originally Posted By CenterMass762: There's a disgusting video of him with an actual baby in the comments. Don't watch it if you already have high blood pressure. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
This story is going to blow up. This shit is fucked. There's a disgusting video of him with an actual baby in the comments. Don't watch it if you already have high blood pressure. Yup not clicking that one. At a minimum he deserves the same ass whooping, eye gouging death the one guy received. |
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Scratch a liberal and you will find a fascist.
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Originally Posted By CenterMass762: There's a disgusting video of him with an actual baby in the comments. Don't watch it if you already have high blood pressure. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
This story is going to blow up. This shit is fucked. There's a disgusting video of him with an actual baby in the comments. Don't watch it if you already have high blood pressure. I don’t want to watch that either. |
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“This is America damnit! I don’t think we will become like these other countries. I don’t think we can. Courage is too contagious here.” -James O’Keefe, 1/17/22
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Originally Posted By CenterMass762: There's a disgusting video of him with an actual baby in the comments. Don't watch it if you already have high blood pressure. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
This story is going to blow up. This shit is fucked. There's a disgusting video of him with an actual baby in the comments. Don't watch it if you already have high blood pressure. Saw that sick crap, needs to be shown or at least availeble for Arfcom's mentally compromised Russia sympathy crowd. |
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They tortured a 78 year old Soviet veteran to death. There were other pictures of him inside his house with a Soviet naval ensign hung up. They have moved from targeting Jew Nazis to Soviet Nazis.
Attached File In rare amusing war news,a territorial army group I mentioned many pages ago as being Eesti backed now has a great patch. Bob Marley Squad Attached File They have so far fought from Kyiv up to being within sight of the Chernobyl sarcophagus Attached File |
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Originally Posted By doc540: Did the Russians intentionally target the civilians fleeing at the train station, or was that just random, incompetent artillery? regardless, it's horrific View Quote They were talking about doing it (hitting railways and railway infrastructure) in this area of Ukraine on Russian tv literally the day before. |
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