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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:00:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FP7r_spWUAcReym?format=png&name=medium Counting up EVERYTHING in that list does not come close to the 684 (UK estimate) destroyed Russian tanks. Is that list Putin's numbers? |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:01:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Those sub human pieces of shit do not appear to have the ability to do much other than be cruel to people who cannot defend themselves. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By 556therapy: I’m sick of seeing Zellinsky everywhere. He’s the only dude that can be all over the so called war zone and never risk getting harmed by anything. The Austrian president came to visit in Kyiv and they strolled around town. Are the Russians so pathetic that they can’t find this guy already? Seems like all they’d have to do is schedule a tv interview with him. Those sub human pieces of shit do not appear to have the ability to do much other than be cruel to people who cannot defend themselves. I always assumed one reason they beat and raped their recruits, is to make them believe behavior like that is acceptable. I could be wrong, but the whole cycle of violence thing of abuse makes it ring true to me anyway. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:03:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: I don't see the point in fucking up a perfectly good proxy war that's going our way. Shipping weapons in along with sheep-dipped guys and war enthusiasts that provide deniability was the proven option during the Cold War, I think we should stick with that. I don't trust current Western "leadership" not to escalate though, I wouldn't be surprised if the neolib brainworm infection has reached terminal load. I was wondering about that myself. This war must be a golden opportunity for the US to slip in some highly trained folks to observe what's going on and document it. Curious how many are in-country. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:04:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Counting up EVERYTHING in that list does not come close to the 684 (UK estimate) destroyed Russian tanks. Is that list Putin's numbers? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By M-1975:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FP7r_spWUAcReym?format=png&name=medium Counting up EVERYTHING in that list does not come close to the 684 (UK estimate) destroyed Russian tanks. Is that list Putin's numbers? I wouldn’t expect it to since that’s one day’s worth. Full list: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:05:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: I was wondering about that myself. This war must be a golden opportunity for the US to slip in some highly trained folks to observe what's going on and document it. Curious how many are in-country. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By eesmith: I don't see the point in fucking up a perfectly good proxy war that's going our way. Shipping weapons in along with sheep-dipped guys and war enthusiasts that provide deniability was the proven option during the Cold War, I think we should stick with that. I don't trust current Western "leadership" not to escalate though, I wouldn't be surprised if the neolib brainworm infection has reached terminal load. I was wondering about that myself. This war must be a golden opportunity for the US to slip in some highly trained folks to observe what's going on and document it. Curious how many are in-country. Observe? They are actively training, fighting and capturing in fairly decent numbers. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:05:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: China is a MUCH WORSE threat to America than Russia. yep. all sorts of bad stuff coming from them in the near term. if Russia falls in the toilet I wonder how China will do without jet engines and technology they purchase from them. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:07:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: spydercomonkey]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Element94: Glossary for acronyms please. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Element94: Originally Posted By R0N: Most weapons are moving toward PFF inherent in their design, even a lot of newer dumb HE rounds are PFF. It is one of those twisted weaponeering facts that sometimes you selection munitions designed to better cause casualties to reduce the effect on structures, if you dig into our MOUT doctrine, it actual use to say to shoot VT, time or ICM in cities to reduce rubling. Glossary for acronyms please. PFF is pre formed fragmentation. Originally shells and warheads etc were steel or cast iron tubes, and fragmentation was casused by the tubes shattering from the blast. (Think M80 in a glass bottle). This caused a more random and unpredictable quantity and size of the fragments. PFF uses pre-formed fragments of standard, uniform size. This allows for a larger number of fragments with a more even distribution (Think M80 in a jar of Daisy .177 BB's). SAAB's MAPAM mortars uses PFF (thousands of tungsten BB's), and here you see how that effects the lethal frag radius compared to a standard Cast Iron shell body.   As shown, the use of PFF greatly increases lethal radius of fragments, making small PFF shells perform like larger conventional ones. I'm not sure how this scales though to something the size of a SRBM warhead. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:09:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 53vortec: Ok someone help me out here. I don't doubt that the Russians committed atrocities in Bucha, but why'd they do it? They are sub human pieces of shit. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:10:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gunslinger808]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TTTSNB: does not answer my questions at all. Pressure wave close to a large explosion causes internal damage to people, like crushing organs. Like being crushed if you were to dive to a great depth in water. Everything you need to know about blast injuries. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:12:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Counting up EVERYTHING in that list does not come close to the 684 (UK estimate) destroyed Russian tanks. Is that list Putin's numbers? This list is what is verifiable via photos https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:13:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd6563: Russian media in Mariupol finds copy of Mein Kampf in backpack of Ukrainian soldiers... Anyone remember when they were actually good at propaganda?
I bet there is a sticker in the book for "Moscow Public Library"... |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:13:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyCR: Observe? They are actively training, fighting and capturing in fairly decent numbers. I'm not talking about veterans. I'm wondering about active duty military there on orders - assuming that they are actually there. Maybe it's CIA folks and not military. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:13:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: This is seems so "white trash ignorant with money" tacky to me. https://static.themoscowtimes.com/image/article_1360/08/_124077748_13.jpg Continues... For Rent: Investigation Exposes Putin Mistress' Elite St. Petersburg Apartment |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:13:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: I wouldn’t expect it to since that’s one day’s worth. Full list: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html Shit! All that in ONE DAY??!! |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:14:18 PM EDT
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A detailed look at the S-300
 What is the S-300? A Detailed Look |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:14:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Counting up EVERYTHING in that list does not come close to the 684 (UK estimate) destroyed Russian tanks. Is that list Putin's numbers? I think you missed the "added" part.....like in addition to |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:15:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: That makes for a less than positive fitness report. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:16:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: I'm not talking about veterans. I'm wondering about active duty military there on orders - assuming that they are actually there. Maybe it's CIA folks and not military. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By MattyCR: Observe? They are actively training, fighting and capturing in fairly decent numbers. I'm not talking about veterans. I'm wondering about active duty military there on orders - assuming that they are actually there. Maybe it's CIA folks and not military. I was talking about government, not dudes that need to scratch that impossible itch. CIA has been there for years. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:18:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: The way he walks around seemingly without fear of death. You mean he is brave? Holy shit! |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:18:43 PM EDT
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Hot of the Press ISW Battle Map Updates!
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:19:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Hot of the Press ISW Battle Map Updates!
Why they just sent a bunch of old Mongolians to fight? |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:22:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sq40]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: I don't see the point in fucking up a perfectly good proxy war that's going our way. Shipping weapons in along with sheep-dipped guys and war enthusiasts that provide deniability was the proven option during the Cold War, I think we should stick with that. I don't trust current Western "leadership" not to escalate though, I wouldn't be surprised if the neolib brainworm infection has reached terminal load. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By mbinky: Yup. Like listening to Gen Milley. "Kabul can hold out for months". Falls in 72 hours. "Kyiv will fall in 72 hours". Holds out for months. We aren't promoting our best. "No way we're sending troops to fight in Ukraine " Never say never is really a lesson the past two years have taught us. I do see us using air assets at some point in some capacity. I don't trust current Western "leadership" not to escalate though, I wouldn't be surprised if the neolib brainworm infection has reached terminal load. I agree, keeping it a proxy war and ramping up support is the best option. I could see drones “donated”, but operated by our experts from remote being a thing. Plausible deniability is easy there. I just think the war crimes stuff will keep coming and NATO may buckle in and start a no fly zone, at least in western Ukraine. Where it goes from there depends on if there are engagements, versus Russia backing off western Ukraine. If we put a no fly over Kiev and to the Belarus border, i think there is an even greater chance of escalation. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:22:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: I'm not talking about veterans. I'm wondering about active duty military there on orders - assuming that they are actually there. Maybe it's CIA folks and not military. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By MattyCR: Observe? They are actively training, fighting and capturing in fairly decent numbers. I'm not talking about veterans. I'm wondering about active duty military there on orders - assuming that they are actually there. Maybe it's CIA folks and not military. https://www.soc.mil/528th/PDFs/Title10Title50.pdf |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:22:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope:
yeah, now that Kiev is safe, everybody now has to go to Mecca and kiss the pope's ring. never mind the first three, what was that, Poland, Czech Republic, & Slovenia, when Kiev was under fire (Mar 16th)? Those were the brave ones, now the rest are just being trotted out for the home-town newspaper photo-op, their version of instagram likes. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:22:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd6563: I agree, it's a damn good proxy war right now, we just need to get Ukraine some of the heavier weapons they need. I'm surprised we haven't seen a Blackwater type PMC put together with 10,000 experienced troops. It seems US/UK knew this was coming at least 9 months ago. That would have been a smart move, unless we really believed back then that Ukraine wouldn't hold out for more than a week... Or take it one step further. The dod surpluses an armored division's worth of assets, purchased and staffed by "mercenaries". They roll east from kiev and cut off the forces in country. Western antiship missiles prevent resupply ro evac from sea. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:23:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Counting up EVERYTHING in that list does not come close to the 684 (UK estimate) destroyed Russian tanks. Is that list Putin's numbers? |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:23:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Hot of the Press ISW Battle Map Updates!
They are going to use their Air Force and artillery. Russians work better at defending than attacking. This could be a long prolonged war that could last for years. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:24:54 PM EDT
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UA TDF volunteer video above. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:25:50 PM EDT
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Trans: Trophies from the front near Izyum
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:26:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: My theory: All the murder and rape happened well in advance of them being cut off and run out. "The atrocities" were part of the plan from the beginning. The cover up - crematoriums and the vans to haul off everyone to siberia - never took place. They had to do shit like quick dump bodies in the sewer because they were out of time. ... Dark as fuck, granted. I just don't see anything to disprove it. Russia planned to keep that territory and move russians in. Control the politics. Remove the culture and language. You know, genocide. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:26:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: They are going to use their Air Force and artillery. Russians work better at defending than attacking. This could be a long prolonged war that could last for years. and it seems the Ukranians are doing pretty good at attacking, at specific points. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:26:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunslinger808: Pressure wave close to a large explosion causes internal damage to people, like crushing organs. Like being crushed if you were to dive to a great depth in water. Everything you need to know about blast injuries. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunslinger808: Originally Posted By TTTSNB: does not answer my questions at all. Pressure wave close to a large explosion causes internal damage to people, like crushing organs. Like being crushed if you were to dive to a great depth in water. Everything you need to know about blast injuries. does not answer my questions at all. dude looks like he just tripped and fell down. how can he be injured? shouldn't it look like he got hit with a giant invisible flyswatter? lots of glass breaks and falls into the yard, but I don't see anything else damaged or even moving. windows on opposite building aren't affected, no damage to cars, dumpster doesn't move, tree branches don't move. how is that supposed to wiork? why does the BARROOOOM noise go on for 10 seconds? why do the windows shatter and the webcam gets hit only in the middle of it? because there are multiple explosions and they are hit by one of them? |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:26:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Hot of the Press ISW Battle Map Updates!
Can Ukraine push into Crimea with a little help now that Russia looks toothless? |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:27:26 PM EDT
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Quote Historytl;dr version? 
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:27:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonKey153: Or take it one step further. The dod surpluses an armored division's worth of assets, purchased and staffed by "mercenaries". They roll east from kiev and cut off the forces in country. Western antiship missiles prevent resupply ro evac from sea. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonKey153: Originally Posted By mnd6563: I agree, it's a damn good proxy war right now, we just need to get Ukraine some of the heavier weapons they need. I'm surprised we haven't seen a Blackwater type PMC put together with 10,000 experienced troops. It seems US/UK knew this was coming at least 9 months ago. That would have been a smart move, unless we really believed back then that Ukraine wouldn't hold out for more than a week... Or take it one step further. The dod surpluses an armored division's worth of assets, purchased and staffed by "mercenaries". They roll east from kiev and cut off the forces in country. Western antiship missiles prevent resupply ro evac from sea. I would love for that to happen! |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:29:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Hot of the Press ISW Battle Map Updates!
Thursday everyone was saying there would be a huuuuuge WW2 sized battle in the next 48 hours. I guess that's a no-go eh? |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:30:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: Can Ukraine push into Crimea with a little help now that Russia looks toothless? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Hot of the Press ISW Battle Map Updates!
Can Ukraine push into Crimea with a little help now that Russia looks toothless? From what I’ve read earlier in this thread, Crimea has been heavily fortified over the years. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:30:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Counting up EVERYTHING in that list does not come close to the 684 (UK estimate) destroyed Russian tanks. Is that list Putin's numbers? That lost today.... |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:32:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Now you understand what your posts look like to 95% of the people here. 
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:33:16 PM EDT
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Translation: how "terrible" Chechens and "evil" Russian "occupiers" are dragging people out of cellars in Mariupol
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:33:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: tl;dr version? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: tl;dr version? Title 10 operations are traditional uniformed military ops. Title 50 is intel/covert type activity typically from CIA. There are different legal ramifications. We have used SOF personnel under Title 50 operations which is what occurred for the Bin Laden raid. However, if the ground forces were captured or killed it wouldn't be classified as a military operation. So active duty military can be used for Title 50 intel/covert operations while not technically under military orders but still operating under the authority of the US gov. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:34:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Counting up EVERYTHING in that list does not come close to the 684 (UK estimate) destroyed Russian tanks. Is that list Putin's numbers? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By M-1975:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FP7r_spWUAcReym?format=png&name=medium Counting up EVERYTHING in that list does not come close to the 684 (UK estimate) destroyed Russian tanks. Is that list Putin's numbers? @ITCHY-FINGER You realize those posted numbers are one day's worth of losses, right? Not cumulative... |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:35:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: I agree, keeping it a proxy war and ramping up support is the best option. I could see drones “donated”, but operated by our experts from remote being a thing. Plausible deniability is easy there. I just think the war crimes stuff will keep coming and NATO may buckle in and start a no fly zone, at least in western Ukraine. Where it goes from there depends on if there are engagements, versus Russia backing off western Ukraine. If we put a no fly over Kiev and to the Belarus border, i think there is an even greater chance of escalation. I honestly don't understand why we don't "transfer" the Predator drones to them. They're operated out of Nevada, if I remember right. Put a Ukrainian in charge and let our guys operate it. It's how they do military hardware for fed gov LEO's. If they want to play fuck fuck word games, fine, two can play them. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:35:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Why they just sent a bunch of old Mongolians to fight? before  after 
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:37:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Guy acts like he's immortal, like a God. Sure, he's "just an actor". So was Ronald Wilson Reagan. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:39:18 PM EDT
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Moscow taps Gen. Alexander Dvornikov to command Russia forces in Ukraine
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2022/04/09/moscow-taps-alexander-dvornikov-command-forces-ukraine/9081649539344/ |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:42:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: I honestly don't understand why we don't "transfer" the Predator drones to them. They're operated out of Nevada, if I remember right. Put a Ukrainian in charge and let our guys operate it. It's how they do military hardware for fed gov LEO's. If they want to play fuck fuck word games, fine, two can play them. Lots of nasty ways to play their own game against them. While they have the support of the entire western world, why can't we find one of their planes that can be modded to take CBU-105s? Lend lease f16s? |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:44:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: That's 17 tank battalions worth of tanks. The TOE posted back on page 20 or so has a BTG with a tank company, 10 tanks. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/btg-image01_jpg-2343559.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By BustinCaps: Originally Posted By Drakich: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By SWIRE: "unnamed sources". US DoD sources state Russia's is operating with 80-85% of what they started with. 20% is decimated. They fucked up. Well, technically its double decimated. And I suspect the US estimates are conservative. It looks like the northern forces lost around half of their troops either KIA or WIA and at least that much equipment. Consider a Russian tank battalion, at full strength, has ~40 tanks. Each BTG is formed around a motor rifle or tank battalion with attached artillery and support units. As of 4 days ago, Ukraine counted 684 Russian tanks lost. That's 17 BTGs worth of tanks. Russia had positioned around 100 BTGs for their Ukraine invasion (out of 170 total). Note: those 100 aren't all tank BTGs - and Russia has lost even greater numbers of light armored vehicles. So probably another 17-25 BTGs worth of equipment losses. Which means their equipment losses are closer to 40% of the forces committed to the invasion and 20-25% of their total active forces. Those are absolutely catastrophic losses for 44 days of fighting. Given the makeup of the Russian military, and the apparent use of "crack" troops, mere percentages may not tell the full story either. If the best units fielded were crushed, and what's coming in next is patched crushed units and flotsam, the Russian conventional military as an apparent peer threat to the top 10 militaries is probably already over. That's world changing. That's 17 tank battalions worth of tanks. The TOE posted back on page 20 or so has a BTG with a tank company, 10 tanks. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/btg-image01_jpg-2343559.JPG Yeah, let's take worst case scenario (best case for UA) - those are motor rifle BTGs getting chewed up. 684 tanks = 68 BTGs, or 70% of the invasion force. I doubt that is the case (but given the complete collapse and "withdrawal"/rout of the Kyiv attack, not entirely possible), but that sets the probable ceiling, so it's probably quite safe to say over half of the theater combat units that Russia started the invasion off with are no longer in good order and combat effective - and a good fraction of those units are likely more or less destroyed. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:44:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:44:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyCR: Observe? They are actively training, fighting and capturing in fairly decent numbers. 
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