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Posted: 9/23/2022 3:39:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Google the phrase "EU PIGS" You can buy houses throughout Italy for one shiny euro... people left because the place sucks, and their birthrate in non-existent. Literally half the houses are vacant and have been owned by the state for years. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Originally Posted By DPeacher: Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Italy has a per capita GDP slightly lower than Cuba. Turn off the EU money spigot and that tard won't have a paycheck. I smell bullshit. https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/italy/cuba?sc=XE34 Google the phrase "EU PIGS" You can buy houses throughout Italy for one shiny euro... people left because the place sucks, and their birthrate in non-existent. Literally half the houses are vacant and have been owned by the state for years. Italy's GDP is not lower than Cuba's. LOL! I worked for Beretta for over 7 years and ran international sales for the US division. Been there. The place does not suck. Younger people are leaving the small villages and smaller towns especially the rural ones in favor of Italy's larger cities. And the 1 Euro price tag comes with a lot of strings attached which includes improvements which must be made and the costs are in the tens of thousands. Some of of homes are ancient - like 500+ years. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2022 3:43:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Probably to keep everyone from partying like there's no tomorrow. People here "behave" really well despite it all. I am very impressed with the cool heads, but there is also an oblivious attitude by many. Many stores closed in the beginning. Lines at bank ATMs, lines at the drug stores, shortages, etc. It was a general pain in the ass and we really expected some Red Dawn scenario with troops rolling in everywhere. That didn't happen. After 7 months life needs to continue as normal as possible, because the bills keep coming. Some stores still kick you out during a siren. So we go outside and have a smoke, or walk to a store that is open. McDonald's and a few other places closed and haven't reopened in 7 months. Reminds me of Saudi Arabia...sitting down at restaurant eating when suddenly the wailing starts outside from loudspeakers and the waiter asks us to step out for 30 minutes. We come back later and finish our cold food. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2022 3:45:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Да. Херсон. English has the silent letters. There is no k in our spelling of it. If American-only speakers know how crazy English was compared to other languages!! I cried for years trying to learn it as a kid. 
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Posted: 9/23/2022 3:45:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: I don’t with this possibility in principle, and I think we are underestimating the nuclear option. However, they probably no longer have the training establishment or officer corps to stand up new units. They would be sent to bring units up to full strength and keep them there. And then yes, then perhaps follow behind a “rolling nuclear barrage.” Putin has been all in to win since day one. He doesn’t care if he destroys Russia in the process to say nothing of Ukraine. What he’s doing with mobilization can’t turn the tide conventionally, but can when combined with nukes. We need to have a counter ready for the worst case scenario. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdR4u9bWYAAYHF5?format=jpg&name=large
Russia, if it were smart, would train and equip the bulk of the new mobilization troops up and stage another invasion force. Then use tactical nukes on major Ukrainian cities. Then send in the troops to mop up and take the country. Just feeding the grinder is a loser for them. I don’t with this possibility in principle, and I think we are underestimating the nuclear option. However, they probably no longer have the training establishment or officer corps to stand up new units. They would be sent to bring units up to full strength and keep them there. And then yes, then perhaps follow behind a “rolling nuclear barrage.” Putin has been all in to win since day one. He doesn’t care if he destroys Russia in the process to say nothing of Ukraine. What he’s doing with mobilization can’t turn the tide conventionally, but can when combined with nukes. We need to have a counter ready for the worst case scenario. I really hope no nuke will ever be set off in anger again. But, knowing the way the world works, it’s just a matter of time until it happens. I *think* the world would be so shook up over even a tactical nuclear weapon use, it would rapidly cascade into a decision tree of making preemptive strikes to remove Russia’s nuclear capabilities all together. The fear is just too great, and so many people will demand the threat be eliminated, that it will snowball. Perhaps in minutes or hours. This particular situation is all possible because of one man’s ego. He is a deceiver, a conqueror, and possibly the wealthiest man alive. He has a whole church of which he controls, and nearly 200 million people under his control. He is on the cusp of being the Antichrist. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 3:46:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Thank you! Any other major city/oblast pronunciations that westerners get wrong? I don’t want to misspeak again. Ya Kharkiv. Same thing, K is silent. That’s about all I can think of. I’m sure someone else will chime in with some others. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 3:48:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Happens a lot- pretty much any Russian or Ukrainian word you see that starts with a Kh will be pronounced with sort of a hard H. I don't know why they always write as Kh. Cyrillic X is the hard H sound. (I know you know this, just further explaining the original question lol) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By sq40: I keep hearing Kherson pronounced with a silent "K". Is the K silent in Kherson? Yes. It's pronounced without the K. Herson. But everyone in the West says it with the K lol Happens a lot- pretty much any Russian or Ukrainian word you see that starts with a Kh will be pronounced with sort of a hard H. I don't know why they always write as Kh. Cyrillic X is the hard H sound. (I know you know this, just further explaining the original question lol) Well, from those of us that didn't know, thank you! 
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Posted: 9/23/2022 3:48:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: If American-only speakers know how crazy English was compared to other languages!! I cried for years trying to learn it as a kid. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Easterner: Да. Херсон. English has the silent letters. There is no k in our spelling of it. If American-only speakers know how crazy English was compared to other languages!! I cried for years trying to learn it as a kid. Very true. I learned Ukrainian at around three after English. As long as one can get used to all the consonants jammed together, the phonetic Ukrainian language is much easier. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2022 3:49:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: It's coming, though I bet very very delayed.
6000 rounds of ammo!!?? That like what, a 10 second burst? |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 3:52:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I think you are correct. The first priority of Russian society is order. They want ORDER and predictability, even if it's predictably shitty. Lots of Russians complained about life in the 90's after the collapse and some spoke publicly about wanting a "Stalin" back. They just want ONE dictator instead of thousands of little dictators, mafia, etc. I'm sure than many now realize that Putin is bringing chaos and danger, but they also KNOW that the next leader is more often than not worse than the last. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Youre 100% correct. But you also have to understand the Russian way of viewing the world. Their government sucks and they know it. They KNOW it will NEVER change no matter what they do. That's what their history has taught them. You stand up, you go to gulag. Most have not read Soltzinitzen (sp). Now, we could explain to them that nobody could stop a million Russians from overthrowing Putin but they would probably respond with "yeah then someone even worse will come". I'm not excusing it, but this is just the way it is. That said, there's a still a limit I suppose. No idea where it's at though. I think you are correct. The first priority of Russian society is order. They want ORDER and predictability, even if it's predictably shitty. Lots of Russians complained about life in the 90's after the collapse and some spoke publicly about wanting a "Stalin" back. They just want ONE dictator instead of thousands of little dictators, mafia, etc. I'm sure than many now realize that Putin is bringing chaos and danger, but they also KNOW that the next leader is more often than not worse than the last. And it's coming to a country near you. Can already see them starting the beat down |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 3:54:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m:  There are wounded to treat and this guy is filming.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Some old Ivans got smoked in their mystery van by UA small arms. What a shitty way to go and for less than nothing.
There are wounded to treat and this guy is filming. I don't think they're too extremely concerned with providing the best treatment for wounded Russians. I'm more surprised the didn't yank him out and prone him on the ground before filming. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 3:55:04 PM EST
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 Emotional Goodbyes Across Russia As Ukraine Mobilization Begins Emotional Goodbyes Across Russia As Ukraine Mobilization Begins As hardcore pro-Ukrainian I have been all of my life, this is sad to watch what Putin is doing to Russian families. I hope the fucker gets it like Mussolini did. And soon. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 3:56:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Ya Kharkiv. Same thing, K is silent. That’s about all I can think of. I’m sure someone else will chime in with some others. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By sq40: Thank you! Any other major city/oblast pronunciations that westerners get wrong? I don’t want to misspeak again. Ya Kharkiv. Same thing, K is silent. That’s about all I can think of. I’m sure someone else will chime in with some others. Pretty much anywhere the X is translated to “kh” in print? |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 3:57:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/unknown-34-2536247.png I shouldn’t have laughed, but I did. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 3:57:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: I really hope no nuke will ever be set off in anger again. But, knowing the way the world works, it’s just a matter of time until it happens. I *think* the world would be so shook up over even a tactical nuclear weapon use, it would rapidly cascade into a decision tree of making preemptive strikes to remove Russia’s nuclear capabilities all together. The fear is just too great, and so many people will demand the threat be eliminated, that it will snowball. Perhaps in minutes or hours. This particular situation is all possible because of one man’s ego. He is a deceiver, a conqueror, and possibly the wealthiest man alive. He has a whole church of which he controls, and nearly 200 million people under his control. He is on the cusp of being the Antichrist. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdR4u9bWYAAYHF5?format=jpg&name=large
Russia, if it were smart, would train and equip the bulk of the new mobilization troops up and stage another invasion force. Then use tactical nukes on major Ukrainian cities. Then send in the troops to mop up and take the country. Just feeding the grinder is a loser for them. I don’t with this possibility in principle, and I think we are underestimating the nuclear option. However, they probably no longer have the training establishment or officer corps to stand up new units. They would be sent to bring units up to full strength and keep them there. And then yes, then perhaps follow behind a “rolling nuclear barrage.” Putin has been all in to win since day one. He doesn’t care if he destroys Russia in the process to say nothing of Ukraine. What he’s doing with mobilization can’t turn the tide conventionally, but can when combined with nukes. We need to have a counter ready for the worst case scenario. I really hope no nuke will ever be set off in anger again. But, knowing the way the world works, it’s just a matter of time until it happens. I *think* the world would be so shook up over even a tactical nuclear weapon use, it would rapidly cascade into a decision tree of making preemptive strikes to remove Russia’s nuclear capabilities all together. The fear is just too great, and so many people will demand the threat be eliminated, that it will snowball. Perhaps in minutes or hours. This particular situation is all possible because of one man’s ego. He is a deceiver, a conqueror, and possibly the wealthiest man alive. He has a whole church of which he controls, and nearly 200 million people under his control. He is on the cusp of being the Antichrist. I don't know... I always pictured the antichrist with televangelist hair. 
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USA
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:00:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I selfishly enjoy all the video's but secretly scoff at all the GoPro's on everybody and dudes going into hot combat holding a cellphone filming shit. It just takes some of the class out of war. I'd rather kill people or get killed in private anonymity. *now eagerly returning to scanning the web for first person combat footage Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: There are wounded to treat and this guy is filming. I selfishly enjoy all the video's but secretly scoff at all the GoPro's on everybody and dudes going into hot combat holding a cellphone filming shit. It just takes some of the class out of war. I'd rather kill people or get killed in private anonymity. *now eagerly returning to scanning the web for first person combat footage  |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:01:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Ya Kharkiv. Same thing, K is silent. That’s about all I can think of. I’m sure someone else will chime in with some others. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By sq40: Thank you! Any other major city/oblast pronunciations that westerners get wrong? I don’t want to misspeak again. Ya Kharkiv. Same thing, K is silent. That’s about all I can think of. I’m sure someone else will chime in with some others. Thank you. Now I need to learn the alphabet. Hell, I might learn Ukrainian on one of those apps. It may come in handy one day. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:02:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQVrcaBfsCwEmotional Goodbyes Across Russia As Ukraine Mobilization Begins As hardcore pro-Ukrainian I have been all of my life, this is sad to watch what Putin is doing to Russian families. I hope the fucker gets it like Mussolini did. And soon. Watch the inside Russia stream from today. It's actually tragic. Two countries of similar people are getting totally fucked up all because of one insane psychopath who can't take the L. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:05:36 PM EST
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"Turkey advocates the abolition of Russia's right of veto in the UN Security Council
Turkish Foreign Minister Mevl t avu o lu stressed that his country is in favor of replacing the right of veto to decision-making by majority vote. Recall that thanks to this right, Russia, which is a permanent member of the UN Security Council, blocks any decisions aimed at counteracting its own crimes." (The middle sentence makes it sound like all permanent member vetoes, not just Russia's.) |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:06:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BustinCaps: Pretty much anywhere the X is translated to “kh” in print? Correct. And the K is always silent(at least to my knowledge). |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:06:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Thank you. Now I need to learn the alphabet. Hell, I might learn Ukrainian on one of those apps. It may come in handy one day. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By sq40: Thank you! Any other major city/oblast pronunciations that westerners get wrong? I don’t want to misspeak again. Ya Kharkiv. Same thing, K is silent. That’s about all I can think of. I’m sure someone else will chime in with some others. Thank you. Now I need to learn the alphabet. Hell, I might learn Ukrainian on one of those apps. It may come in handy one day. Duolingo is a pretty good app. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:07:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Very true. I learned Ukrainian at around three after English. As long as one can get used to all the consonants jammed together, the phonetic Ukrainian language is much easier. So in Ukrainian you pronounce all the letters as is without voicing and devoicing consonants and changing vowel sounds except for the stress vowel as is done in Russian? I don’t know any Ukrainian, but in Russian, Х is a throat sound, like a hiss or clearing your throat. When it’s the last letter of a word, the K sound of Х=Kh becomes naturally more pronounced. Страх - strakh (fear, terror) |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:07:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Yes. It’s pronounced without the K. Herson. But everyone in the West says it with the K lol Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By sq40: I keep hearing Kherson pronounced with a silent “K”. Is the K silent in Kherson? Yes. It’s pronounced without the K. Herson. But everyone in the West says it with the K lol I thought it was also translated “Gerson” like the last name? |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:07:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4xGM300m]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: 6000 rounds of ammo!!?? That like what, a 10 second burst? They only use small burst when hunting drones, 8 to 12 rounds, the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT videos aren't showing the normal use of the Gepard. And the Germans delivered more ammo earlier, 53k plus 4k training ammo. 2,1k per vehicle with the latest delivery, not much but better than nothing. The Swiss are blocking more ammo, the German Army had no more ammo because the Gepard was decommissioned years ago. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:08:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingsmen: Watch the inside Russia stream from today. It's actually tragic. Two countries of similar people are getting totally fucked up all because of one insane psychopath who can't take the L. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingsmen: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQVrcaBfsCwEmotional Goodbyes Across Russia As Ukraine Mobilization Begins As hardcore pro-Ukrainian I have been all of my life, this is sad to watch what Putin is doing to Russian families. I hope the fucker gets it like Mussolini did. And soon. Watch the inside Russia stream from today. It's actually tragic. Two countries of similar people are getting totally fucked up all because of one insane psychopath who can't take the L. True, Putin is a psychopath. However, Ukraine has been enduring Muscovite persecution for hundreds of years before the USA was born. If it wasn't Putin, it could have been Peskov, Lavrov, Medvedev, or someone else. As a Ukrainian, I would never say that Russians are similar. To an outsider, it may seem that way. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:09:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: dillydilly]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Thank you. Now I need to learn the alphabet. Hell, I might learn Ukrainian on one of those apps. It may come in handy one day. Duolingo has it right? Love the language. Wish mine wasn’t Polesye dialect which is a mix of Rusyn, Belorussian and Ukrainian.
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:10:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: If my job was to destabilize Russia I'd mail mobilization summons to another million guys at random. That's brilliant. I like the way you think! |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:11:32 PM EST
[#27]
 Palantir CEO Alex Karp on Escalating War in Ukraine and Outlook for Tech | CNBC |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:13:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: They only use small burst when hunting drones, 8 to 12 rounds, the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT videos aren't showing the normal use of the Gepard. And the Germans delivered more ammo earlier, 53k plus 4k training ammo. 2,1k per vehicle with the latest delivery, not much but better than nothing. The Swiss are blocking more ammo, the German Army had no more ammo because the Gepard was decommissioned years ago. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: 6000 rounds of ammo!!?? That like what, a 10 second burst? They only use small burst when hunting drones, 8 to 12 rounds, the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT videos aren't showing the normal use of the Gepard. And the Germans delivered more ammo earlier, 53k plus 4k training ammo. 2,1k per vehicle with the latest delivery, not much but better than nothing. The Swiss are blocking more ammo, the German Army had no more ammo because the Gepard was decommissioned years ago. Swiss are being a-holes about this issue. I thought Finland was going to start making ammo? |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:15:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By centex_SR-15: So in Ukrainian you pronounce all the letters as is without voicing and devoicing consonants and changing vowel sounds except for the stress vowel as is done in Russian? I don’t know any Ukrainian, but in Russian, Х is a throat sound, like a hiss or clearing your throat. When it’s the last letter of a word, the K sound of Х=Kh becomes naturally more pronounced. Страх - strakh (fear, terror) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By centex_SR-15: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Very true. I learned Ukrainian at around three after English. As long as one can get used to all the consonants jammed together, the phonetic Ukrainian language is much easier. So in Ukrainian you pronounce all the letters as is without voicing and devoicing consonants and changing vowel sounds except for the stress vowel as is done in Russian? I don’t know any Ukrainian, but in Russian, Х is a throat sound, like a hiss or clearing your throat. When it’s the last letter of a word, the K sound of Х=Kh becomes naturally more pronounced. Страх - strakh (fear, terror) There is a soft sign which changes the pronunciation of consonants so it kind of gives a letter or letters a second sound. The word "fear" is very similar (almost the same) in Ukrainian. When I was young I was fluent but lost some of it - remembering the words and my tongue is not "in shape" to pronounce many of the words as well as before. I speak Ukrainian at a couple Ukrainian festivals a year and sometimes with my mother who is 85 and was born there. When I was at the Ukrainian embassy in DC about 12 years ago, I noticed that the more I drank, the better my Ukrainian got! 
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:23:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Swampgrass: Let them rot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Swampgrass: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Some old Ivans got smoked in their mystery van by UA small arms. What a shitty way to go and for less than nothing.
There are wounded to treat and this guy is filming. Let them rot. If they didn’t want to get shot & wounded they should have stayed in Russia. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:23:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grendelsbane: You mean, like troopers digging foxholes in the immediate environs of Chernobyl?  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:26:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: They only use small burst when hunting drones, 8 to 12 rounds, the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT videos aren't showing the normal use of the Gepard. And the Germans delivered more ammo earlier, 53k plus 4k training ammo. 2,1k per vehicle with the latest delivery, not much but better than nothing. The Swiss are blocking more ammo, the German Army had no more ammo because the Gepard was decommissioned years ago. Nammo is making ammunition but it’s had teething issues. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:27:56 PM EST
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 RUSSIA MOBILISING: Update What's Going On Today Konstantin talking about the mobilization. He better get out while he can as well. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:28:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Duolingo is a pretty good app. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By sq40: Thank you! Any other major city/oblast pronunciations that westerners get wrong? I don’t want to misspeak again. Ya Kharkiv. Same thing, K is silent. That’s about all I can think of. I’m sure someone else will chime in with some others. Thank you. Now I need to learn the alphabet. Hell, I might learn Ukrainian on one of those apps. It may come in handy one day. Duolingo is a pretty good app. I’ve heard of that. Ill have to download it, |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:37:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: I don't think they're too extremely concerned with providing the best treatment for wounded Russians. I'm more surprised the didn't yank him out and prone him on the ground before filming. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Some old Ivans got smoked in their mystery van by UA small arms. What a shitty way to go and for less than nothing.
There are wounded to treat and this guy is filming. I don't think they're too extremely concerned with providing the best treatment for wounded Russians. I'm more surprised the didn't yank him out and prone him on the ground before filming. Driver wasn't in need of aid and the passenger wasn't far behind, tough shit. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:37:40 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingsmen: Watch the inside Russia stream from today. It's actually tragic. Two countries of similar people are getting totally fucked up all because of one insane psychopath who can't take the L. But for Putin, taking the L would likely have had huge consequences. It was probably not an ego based decision, but rooted in the fact that an L would seriously harm him. Remember the old SNL? Putin couldn't just "Oh, never mind". It plays out the same on our side of the pond. Clinton was seriously compromised which made a Trump win problematic. Hence she came up with Russia!Russia!Russia!. Everyone who pushed it was then compromised, and had reason to continue pushing it. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:37:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: It is so tantalizingly close to the range of the system. They were able to use standard M-31 rounds and get 120km range with tail control surfaces. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSowadYz-g8Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdVSyLtWYAU-NwW?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdVSyqVWIAAKi7M?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdVSy4JXEAEorZw?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdVSzWZXkAUcTkl?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdVSz0wWYAEbSF1?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdVS0BdWIAIO4L5?format=jpg&name=900x900 It is so tantalizingly close to the range of the system. They were able to use standard M-31 rounds and get 120km range with tail control surfaces. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSowadYz-g8 |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:43:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdWPemdXwAMbQsk?format=jpg&name=large I have no doubt that there are many that feel that way. Been too many times in war where enemies have showed signs of humanity for me to discount this. Unfortunately, many more of them have to die before this is over simply because they are where they shouldnt be. War really is a weird, horrific, thing. Shifty Powers' comments on the Germans are rather loud here. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:46:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: If American-only speakers know how crazy English was compared to other languages!! I cried for years trying to learn it as a kid. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Easterner: . . English has the silent letters. There is no k in our spelling of it. If American-only speakers know how crazy English was compared to other languages!! I cried for years trying to learn it as a kid. What's your native language? I've been very slowly learning Russian for years and learning a language and all the context, exceptions, etc is just mind boggling. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:46:53 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama_Rebel: do they transport the sph to the front on a truck and trailer or do they drive it? Seems like a gas hog either way I would expect things go as far as reasonable/possible on wheeled vehicles. We move them around the country by rail, etc. I was pointing it out as a consideration when it comes to moving them around tactically. If a self propelled has a mechanical failure, the tube is a lot harder to get to a new position, etc. If a truck breaks down, there's often other trucks available. The trucks could also have some other uses but if it's a shoot move shoot situation, you don't want the truck off hauling other stuff around. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:49:39 PM EST
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:49:50 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Youre 100% correct. But you also have to understand the Russian way of viewing the world. Their government sucks and they know it. They KNOW it will NEVER change no matter what they do. That's what their history has taught them. You stand up, you go to gulag. Most have not read Soltzinitzen (sp). Now, we could explain to them that nobody could stop a million Russians from overthrowing Putin but they would probably respond with "yeah then someone even worse will come". I'm not excusing it, but this is just the way it is. That said, there's a still a limit I suppose. No idea where it's at though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By Weasel_Master: Originally Posted By PvtCowboy: "Not all Russians" Okay. I know a handful of people in Russia, and not one I know supports it. I had dinner with a friend of mine who's whole family is in Russia. They are scared with the mobilization of the 300k and what's to come after. That's awesome. Maybe that entire family and 100,000,000 other Russians should stand up and do something about it. Take their country back. Youre 100% correct. But you also have to understand the Russian way of viewing the world. Their government sucks and they know it. They KNOW it will NEVER change no matter what they do. That's what their history has taught them. You stand up, you go to gulag. Most have not read Soltzinitzen (sp). Now, we could explain to them that nobody could stop a million Russians from overthrowing Putin but they would probably respond with "yeah then someone even worse will come". I'm not excusing it, but this is just the way it is. That said, there's a still a limit I suppose. No idea where it's at though. I know. Was mostly just being a bit contrary to the "there are plenty of good people in Russia and not everyone supports the war" line that keeps cropping up. I'm sure there are good people in Russia. I'm sure there are many who don't support the war. If they don't do anything about it, they're complicit. Just as I would be complicit if the US engaged in a war I didn't support. I have the luxury, however, of showing my lack of support by protesting, grass-roots organizing to elect different people, etc. I'd imagine in Russia at this point, it's violence or nothing. I'm sure they'll choose nothing for the reasons pointed out. So, my sympathy is limited for people who won't do what it takes to solve their own problems, or won't even recognize what the problems are. I mean, aren't they currently protesting the mobilization? But not the actual war? That speaks volumes about the mindset. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:51:48 PM EST
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[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: The longest I've ever seen an M270 down for is five days. But that is because it caught fire. PMCS is key! But I assume the rockets launching started the fire. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:51:48 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: I have no doubt that there are many that feel that way. Been too many times in war where enemies have showed signs of humanity for me to discount this. Unfortunately, many more of them have to die before this is over simply because they are where they shouldnt be. War really is a weird, horrific, thing. Shifty Powers' comments on the Germans are rather loud here. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdWPemdXwAMbQsk?format=jpg&name=large I have no doubt that there are many that feel that way. Been too many times in war where enemies have showed signs of humanity for me to discount this. Unfortunately, many more of them have to die before this is over simply because they are where they shouldnt be. War really is a weird, horrific, thing. Shifty Powers' comments on the Germans are rather loud here. He might have liked to hunt, we might have fished together. Something like that, but your point is true. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:53:42 PM EST
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The ex-president of Mongolia came out with support for Ukraine and called on the Russians not to go to war against the Ukrainians. He also suggested that the Buryats and Tuvans flee from mobilization in Mongolia.
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:54:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: But for Putin, taking the L would likely have had huge consequences. It was probably not an ego based decision, but rooted in the fact that an L would seriously harm him. Remember the old SNL? Putin couldn't just "Oh, never mind". It plays out the same on our side of the pond. Clinton was seriously compromised which made a Trump win problematic. Hence she came up with Russia!Russia!Russia!. Everyone who pushed it was then compromised, and had reason to continue pushing it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By Kingsmen: Watch the inside Russia stream from today. It's actually tragic. Two countries of similar people are getting totally fucked up all because of one insane psychopath who can't take the L. But for Putin, taking the L would likely have had huge consequences. It was probably not an ego based decision, but rooted in the fact that an L would seriously harm him. Remember the old SNL? Putin couldn't just "Oh, never mind". It plays out the same on our side of the pond. Clinton was seriously compromised which made a Trump win problematic. Hence she came up with Russia!Russia!Russia!. Everyone who pushed it was then compromised, and had reason to continue pushing it. It’s all very “Game of Thrones” and taking the L is not an option. In fact, the failure to-date has possibly already doomed him and the political under-surface moves are in motion that do that, but as of yet invisible. The best way to think about it is as a feudal model. The entanglement of allegiances that are in favor and dependent upon the Tsar are scared of a future without security. They are trying to figure an out, but a way to stay in power/favored. At the same time, disfavored elements are looking for revenge and a forced power re-alignment. In fact, the mobilization may be as much inwardly focused as it is towards the war. It helps create distraction and let’s the regime flex. There have been numerous reports of very targeted “mobilization” against regime critics. Change is going to happen. The question is whether its just an optical one at the top, or a genuine regime change. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 4:59:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Change is going to happen. The question is whether its just an optical one at the top, or a genuine regime change. The other question is the nature of a hypothetical new regime. It is entirely possible things could change for the worse. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 5:02:56 PM EST
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The turnout at the referendum in the LPR on joining the Russian Federation at 20.00 was 21.97% - CEC of the republic https://t.me/rian_ru |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 5:03:44 PM EST
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Posted: 9/23/2022 5:03:45 PM EST
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