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Posted: 9/24/2022 5:35:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: sq40]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: OK, to answer the question seriously, no. First, it would be essentially a full admission to the Russian public that the war against Ukraine all the way back to 2014 was hogwash. The Russian public can (now) question the tactics, the preparation, and the competence of certain individuals, but they will NEVER be allowed to question the justifications for the war, which of course is the only important question. Second, if he wanted to bail out via that method, he wouldn’t be mobilizing. Mobilization will be a disaster, but Putin believes not mobilizing will be worse at least for his goals. Mobilization is a massive escalation and not one that I would file under “escalate to de-escalate.” The ramifications are too bad and long term. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By Dominion21: Is that a joke? The Russians determined the outcome of this referendum long before it ever began. There is no “referendum.” It is a complete, total, 100% farce. We all know that. He is just wondering what putin would do if somehow it went against him. IF putin wants out of this, it would be a great opportunity. But I think putin is only willing to win or burn the world if he can't have it. OK, to answer the question seriously, no. First, it would be essentially a full admission to the Russian public that the war against Ukraine all the way back to 2014 was hogwash. The Russian public can (now) question the tactics, the preparation, and the competence of certain individuals, but they will NEVER be allowed to question the justifications for the war, which of course is the only important question. Second, if he wanted to bail out via that method, he wouldn’t be mobilizing. Mobilization will be a disaster, but Putin believes not mobilizing will be worse at least for his goals. Mobilization is a massive escalation and not one that I would file under “escalate to de-escalate.” The ramifications are too bad and long term. When I posed the question, It was just a “shower thought” exercise. You make Great points all around. Putin has not only painted himself into a corner, but he is “high on his own supply”, so to speak. I guess ill just circle back around to my earlier comment that Putin and Russia only understand strength and violence is the only means to stop him. He is simply just going to have to be pushed out. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 5:42:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: sq40]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: I think the answer to this question from the west’s perspective is “what is next?” Let’s say Russia uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine. IMO, most likely it will be multiple, possibly including population centers. A “demonstration” nuke will almost certainly not produce any results against the Ukrainian will to fight, so why bother? No, they will try to blow holes in the Ukrainian army, and destroy the infrastructure (including cities) necessary to bring in western supplies. I’ve said before that we already had indications that the Ukrainian army is in a nuclear defensive posture - i.e. dispersed as much as possible. So this won’t be a case of dropping a nuke on a brigade or two and being done with it. It would probably take a dozen tactical nukes to have the desired effect on a sector of the line. Point is, having demonstrated the will to win at any cost in Ukraine - what next for Russia? Can there be any doubt whatsoever in the West that Putin will do the same against the Baltics? Poland? Finland? If Russia goes nuclear it is IMMEDIATELY an existential issue for Europe. Not a new cold war. Not a “lets see how this plays out.” The question that should be asked is not “how will the west respond” but “will the west give Russia that chance?” Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: I don't think that Biden decides anything. He is doing what he is getting told. I'd really like to know what the plan is. Ukraine is chewing up russian troops. If putin gets the idea he is going to lose this, he is going to launch a tactical nuke on the battlefield. Then what? Biden has issued a very stern warning. What could we possibly do to russia now without actually shooting at them with american forces? If we do that, it's war. Are we ready to get into an actual war with russia after they have proven they will use nukes? I'm sure everybody is hoping somebody inside russia is going to remove or kill him. Or russia will revolt. We better not depend on that. People already said putin would not use national mobilization. He's doing it while calling it something else. And the second he made the announcement, agents with lists were going door to door handing out notices for people to show up. I think the answer to this question from the west’s perspective is “what is next?” Let’s say Russia uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine. IMO, most likely it will be multiple, possibly including population centers. A “demonstration” nuke will almost certainly not produce any results against the Ukrainian will to fight, so why bother? No, they will try to blow holes in the Ukrainian army, and destroy the infrastructure (including cities) necessary to bring in western supplies. I’ve said before that we already had indications that the Ukrainian army is in a nuclear defensive posture - i.e. dispersed as much as possible. So this won’t be a case of dropping a nuke on a brigade or two and being done with it. It would probably take a dozen tactical nukes to have the desired effect on a sector of the line. Point is, having demonstrated the will to win at any cost in Ukraine - what next for Russia? Can there be any doubt whatsoever in the West that Putin will do the same against the Baltics? Poland? Finland? If Russia goes nuclear it is IMMEDIATELY an existential issue for Europe. Not a new cold war. Not a “lets see how this plays out.” The question that should be asked is not “how will the west respond” but “will the west give Russia that chance?” That’s a great question. Russian rhetoric on nuclear weapons use has been largely taken with a grain of salt. If that’s a mistake, then it really changes everything in how the west needs to approach this. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 5:51:59 AM EST
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Some more in-depth reports on the annexation push,
 What impact will Russia's sham referendum have? | DW News |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 5:56:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
A few days back someone was joking about new orc conscripts being issued rusty rifles.... Looks like that is already the accepted approach.  Getting down to the AKM's in 762 now? A little motor oil and some steel wool at it will be good as new 
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Posted: 9/24/2022 6:11:43 AM EST
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Posted: 9/24/2022 6:11:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
You don't fuck with kids like that! Kids are off limits and the Ukrainians have my permission to whatever they want to to eradicate them that do. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 6:14:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4xGM300m]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: the first 3 mins is all you need to watch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: They only use small burst when hunting drones, 8 to 12 rounds, the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT videos aren't showing the normal use of the Gepard. And the Germans delivered more ammo earlier, 53k plus 4k training ammo. 2,1k per vehicle with the latest delivery, not much but better than nothing. The Swiss are blocking more ammo, the German Army had no more ammo because the Gepard was decommissioned years ago. They need an shotgun type ammo that ignites so many feet out watch this video of Rhinemetal anti UAS drone system. this needs to be in Ukraine! it shoots shells that explode pellets right in front of the drone or swarms of drones.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp2irqTXikgIn a 38 minute video no one will watch. the first 3 mins is all you need to watch.  Rheinmetall Air Defence: Ahead - Highly effective, programmable ammunition Even shorter video. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 6:20:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: evilyoda]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: I'd really like to know what the plan is. Ukraine is chewing up russian troops. If putin gets the idea he is going to lose this, he is going to launch a tactical nuke on the battlefield. Then what? Biden has issued a very stern warning. What could we possibly do to russia now without actually shooting at them with american forces? If we do that, it's war. Are we ready to get into an actual war with russia after they have proven they will use nukes? I'm sure everybody is hoping somebody inside russia is going to remove or kill him. Or russia will revolt. We better not depend on that. People already said putin would not use national mobilization. He's doing it while calling it something else. And the second he made the announcement, agents with lists were going door to door handing out notices for people to show up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: I don't think that Biden decides anything. He is doing what he is getting told. I'd really like to know what the plan is. Ukraine is chewing up russian troops. If putin gets the idea he is going to lose this, he is going to launch a tactical nuke on the battlefield. Then what? Biden has issued a very stern warning. What could we possibly do to russia now without actually shooting at them with american forces? If we do that, it's war. Are we ready to get into an actual war with russia after they have proven they will use nukes? I'm sure everybody is hoping somebody inside russia is going to remove or kill him. Or russia will revolt. We better not depend on that. People already said putin would not use national mobilization. He's doing it while calling it something else. And the second he made the announcement, agents with lists were going door to door handing out notices for people to show up. Give Ukraine nukes and means to deliver them to moscow. Putin uses nukes on Ukraine, Ukraine uses nukes on Putin. Even better, time for Israel to payback the US. Have Israel supply Ukraine with nuclear weapons and missiles. It shields the US and NATO. Fuck Putin. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 6:22:01 AM EST
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 ???????? LD 3000 Ground Based Close-in Weapon System China has some serious BRRRRRRRT too. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 6:22:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: That’s a great question. Russian rhetoric on nuclear weapons use has been largely taken with a grain of salt. If that’s a mistake, then it really changes everything in how the west needs to approach this. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: I don't think that Biden decides anything. He is doing what he is getting told. I'd really like to know what the plan is. Ukraine is chewing up russian troops. If putin gets the idea he is going to lose this, he is going to launch a tactical nuke on the battlefield. Then what? Biden has issued a very stern warning. What could we possibly do to russia now without actually shooting at them with american forces? If we do that, it's war. Are we ready to get into an actual war with russia after they have proven they will use nukes? I'm sure everybody is hoping somebody inside russia is going to remove or kill him. Or russia will revolt. We better not depend on that. People already said putin would not use national mobilization. He's doing it while calling it something else. And the second he made the announcement, agents with lists were going door to door handing out notices for people to show up. I think the answer to this question from the west’s perspective is “what is next?” Let’s say Russia uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine. IMO, most likely it will be multiple, possibly including population centers. A “demonstration” nuke will almost certainly not produce any results against the Ukrainian will to fight, so why bother? No, they will try to blow holes in the Ukrainian army, and destroy the infrastructure (including cities) necessary to bring in western supplies. I’ve said before that we already had indications that the Ukrainian army is in a nuclear defensive posture - i.e. dispersed as much as possible. So this won’t be a case of dropping a nuke on a brigade or two and being done with it. It would probably take a dozen tactical nukes to have the desired effect on a sector of the line. Point is, having demonstrated the will to win at any cost in Ukraine - what next for Russia? Can there be any doubt whatsoever in the West that Putin will do the same against the Baltics? Poland? Finland? If Russia goes nuclear it is IMMEDIATELY an existential issue for Europe. Not a new cold war. Not a “lets see how this plays out.” The question that should be asked is not “how will the west respond” but “will the west give Russia that chance?” That’s a great question. Russian rhetoric on nuclear weapons use has been largely taken with a grain of salt. If that’s a mistake, then it really changes everything in how the west needs to approach this. For public consumption that’s true. But we didn’t just say in the UN “Russia’s nuclear threats need to stop immediately” because they’re hurting our feelings, we said it because at some point we will have to do something about it. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 6:24:36 AM EST
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Fairly balanced report on the mobilization. People protesting, people proactively volunteering, eastern Russians complain of racism.
 What Putin's Ukraine War draft means for Russia | DW News |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 6:26:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: For public consumption that’s true. But we didn’t just say in the UN “Russia’s nuclear threats need to stop immediately” because they’re hurting our feelings, we said it because at some point we will have to do something about it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: I don't think that Biden decides anything. He is doing what he is getting told. I'd really like to know what the plan is. Ukraine is chewing up russian troops. If putin gets the idea he is going to lose this, he is going to launch a tactical nuke on the battlefield. Then what? Biden has issued a very stern warning. What could we possibly do to russia now without actually shooting at them with american forces? If we do that, it's war. Are we ready to get into an actual war with russia after they have proven they will use nukes? I'm sure everybody is hoping somebody inside russia is going to remove or kill him. Or russia will revolt. We better not depend on that. People already said putin would not use national mobilization. He's doing it while calling it something else. And the second he made the announcement, agents with lists were going door to door handing out notices for people to show up. I think the answer to this question from the west’s perspective is “what is next?” Let’s say Russia uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine. IMO, most likely it will be multiple, possibly including population centers. A “demonstration” nuke will almost certainly not produce any results against the Ukrainian will to fight, so why bother? No, they will try to blow holes in the Ukrainian army, and destroy the infrastructure (including cities) necessary to bring in western supplies. I’ve said before that we already had indications that the Ukrainian army is in a nuclear defensive posture - i.e. dispersed as much as possible. So this won’t be a case of dropping a nuke on a brigade or two and being done with it. It would probably take a dozen tactical nukes to have the desired effect on a sector of the line. Point is, having demonstrated the will to win at any cost in Ukraine - what next for Russia? Can there be any doubt whatsoever in the West that Putin will do the same against the Baltics? Poland? Finland? If Russia goes nuclear it is IMMEDIATELY an existential issue for Europe. Not a new cold war. Not a “lets see how this plays out.” The question that should be asked is not “how will the west respond” but “will the west give Russia that chance?” That’s a great question. Russian rhetoric on nuclear weapons use has been largely taken with a grain of salt. If that’s a mistake, then it really changes everything in how the west needs to approach this. For public consumption that’s true. But we didn’t just say in the UN “Russia’s nuclear threats need to stop immediately” because they’re hurting our feelings, we said it because at some point we will have to do something about it. Don't cower to Putin. Nukes are his only threat and advantage over Ukraine. Israel should arm Ukraine with nuclear weapons. If putin uses one on Ukraine- UKRAINE can fire back on russia. NATO not involved. Not even a NATO supplied nuke. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 6:32:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: sq40]
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Zeihan gave an hour talk. It’s an updated version of his longer presentation he gave a year or so ago about Russian thinking.
However his attitude has changed. He now says this is something that we have to win because Putin will eventually fight NATO and use Nukes.  Keynote – Peter Zeihan - 2022 |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 6:34:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlabamaFan64: This. He was incompetent during his prime. I am curious how this scenario has been war gamed by the military in the past. I feel Biden's incompetence/dementia has been a major factor to success in our Ukraine policy so far. He usually does a decent job of doing as he is told, and his inner circles are so far outside their comfort zone of domestic political posturing, that they are also doing what they are told by the "professionals" (if that is the right term).In a way, it's the deep state doing what it is supposed to do, without the sinister content of the phrase. It's also helped that the Europeans have shown some backbone and pulled the advisors along. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 6:44:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
A few days back someone was joking about new orc conscripts being issued rusty rifles.... Looks like that is already the accepted approach. They'll be dead shortly, so who cares... Outside of the rear trunnion and maybe dust cover who cares. Clean it up and call it good |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 6:45:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By evilyoda: Don't cower to Putin. Nukes are his only threat and advantage over Ukraine. Israel should arm Ukraine with nuclear weapons. If putin uses one on Ukraine- UKRAINE can fire back on russia. NATO not involved. Not even a NATO supplied nuke. Why would Israel do that? To get nuked by Russia in response? There is no benefit for them. Besides, rest assured that Russia will hold NATO responsible for any strike on their territory, whether it was launched by Ukraine and bought from North Korea. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 6:45:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlabamaFan64: That worked out well for Hitler. Worked out as well for Nicholas II. Seriously, if it's known in Russia that Putin is taking a more active role ("taking command") then he's closely associated with any future failures. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 6:51:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: They'll be dead shortly, so who cares... Outside of the rear trunnion and maybe dust cover who cares. Clean it up and call it good Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
A few days back someone was joking about new orc conscripts being issued rusty rifles.... Looks like that is already the accepted approach. They'll be dead shortly, so who cares... Outside of the rear trunnion and maybe dust cover who cares. Clean it up and call it good
Dunno. Not sure I'd be wanting to be anywhere close by when pvt blyatski pulls the trigger.... |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 7:00:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: cant let a chance at a new car go to waste! hahahahaha Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Those Russian girls be cold and calculating, yo...  cant let a chance at a new car go to waste! hahahahaha Lol. They will get nothing. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 7:05:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: They only use small burst when hunting drones, 8 to 12 rounds, the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT videos aren't showing the normal use of the Gepard. And the Germans delivered more ammo earlier, 53k plus 4k training ammo. 2,1k per vehicle with the latest delivery, not much but better than nothing. The Swiss are blocking more ammo, the German Army had no more ammo because the Gepard was decommissioned years ago. They need an shotgun type ammo that ignites so many feet out watch this video of Rhinemetal anti UAS drone system. this needs to be in Ukraine! it shoots shells that explode pellets right in front of the drone or swarms of drones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp2irqTXikgIn a 38 minute video no one will watch. the first 3 mins is all you need to watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdwjcayPuagEven shorter video. Alot better thank you. Would be the perfect weapon to ruin Iran's drones Russia is using |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 7:06:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: CPT_CAVEMAN]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Dunno. Not sure I'd be wanting to be anywhere close by when pvt blyatski pulls the trigger.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
A few days back someone was joking about new orc conscripts being issued rusty rifles.... Looks like that is already the accepted approach. They'll be dead shortly, so who cares... Outside of the rear trunnion and maybe dust cover who cares. Clean it up and call it good
Dunno. Not sure I'd be wanting to be anywhere close by when pvt blyatski pulls the trigger.... Ya that one looks a bit different. Still why aren't they cleaning them to see what they actually look like under the rust |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 7:10:57 AM EST
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Poroshenko gives an interview;
 'This is not a referendum' Ukraine's Ex-President Poroshenko slams Russia's latest announcements |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 7:13:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Poroshenko gives an interview; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9sSyziBLmsWonder if anyone close to him that's left would actually stop him from nuking. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 7:18:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: sq40]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Dunno. Not sure I'd be wanting to be anywhere close by when pvt blyatski pulls the trigger.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
A few days back someone was joking about new orc conscripts being issued rusty rifles.... Looks like that is already the accepted approach. They'll be dead shortly, so who cares... Outside of the rear trunnion and maybe dust cover who cares. Clean it up and call it good
Dunno. Not sure I'd be wanting to be anywhere close by when pvt blyatski pulls the trigger.... Wow. Russian conscripts are like the guy in Deliverance. (Hell, that Rusty old shotgun would be safer.)  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 7:19:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Ya that one looks a bit different. Still why aren't they cleaning them to see what they actually look like under the rust Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By TheLurker: Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
A few days back someone was joking about new orc conscripts being issued rusty rifles.... Looks like that is already the accepted approach. They'll be dead shortly, so who cares... Outside of the rear trunnion and maybe dust cover who cares. Clean it up and call it good
Dunno. Not sure I'd be wanting to be anywhere close by when pvt blyatski pulls the trigger.... Ya that one looks a bit different. Still why aren't they cleaning them to see what they actually look like under the rust I think most of that is cosmoline |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 7:33:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryUntil they get away from the glam video, the thing doesn't work Run actual multiple tests |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 7:43:40 AM EST
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Posted: 9/24/2022 7:48:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Until they get away from the glam video, the thing doesn't work Run actual multiple tests Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Run actual multiple tests Just send it to UA and test it there. 
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Posted: 9/24/2022 7:50:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Dunno. Not sure I'd be wanting to be anywhere close by when pvt blyatski pulls the trigger.... Damn, rolling out the AKM's. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 7:53:55 AM EST
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Posted: 9/24/2022 7:54:57 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex9661: For some reason, what's written in small letters isn't translated. It says: "However, in the future never expect Russia to liberate you. Now you know what happens when someone is counting on foreign invaders". Oh, it says "Time to go home" on the very top. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex9661: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdWPemdXwAMbQsk?format=jpg&name=large For some reason, what's written in small letters isn't translated. It says: "However, in the future never expect Russia to liberate you. Now you know what happens when someone is counting on foreign invaders". Oh, it says "Time to go home" on the very top. I appreciate the translations, certainly can change the context of what is originally claimed. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 8:00:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Until they get away from the glam video, the thing doesn't work Run actual multiple tests Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Run actual multiple tests They have.  Rheinmetall Air Defence: Oerlikon Skyguard 3 Air Defence System |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 8:00:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Dunno. Not sure I'd be wanting to be anywhere close by when pvt blyatski pulls the trigger.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
A few days back someone was joking about new orc conscripts being issued rusty rifles.... Looks like that is already the accepted approach. They'll be dead shortly, so who cares... Outside of the rear trunnion and maybe dust cover who cares. Clean it up and call it good
Dunno. Not sure I'd be wanting to be anywhere close by when pvt blyatski pulls the trigger.... Wtf?.. corruption sure fucked up Russia, I wonder if those oligarchs with there yachts even feel like shit after doing this to there country? Putin really is doubling down even tho he knows he's sending a large stock of young men to there deaths.. and for what? So he can use a nuke against the west? |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 8:01:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Ya that one looks a bit different. Still why aren't they cleaning them to see what they actually look like under the rust Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By TheLurker: Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
A few days back someone was joking about new orc conscripts being issued rusty rifles.... Looks like that is already the accepted approach. They'll be dead shortly, so who cares... Outside of the rear trunnion and maybe dust cover who cares. Clean it up and call it good
Dunno. Not sure I'd be wanting to be anywhere close by when pvt blyatski pulls the trigger.... Ya that one looks a bit different. Still why aren't they cleaning them to see what they actually look like under the rust Because these kids have never handled a firearm. They don't know wtf to do |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 8:02:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Ya that one looks a bit different. Still why aren't they cleaning them to see what they actually look like under the rust Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By TheLurker: Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
A few days back someone was joking about new orc conscripts being issued rusty rifles.... Looks like that is already the accepted approach. They'll be dead shortly, so who cares... Outside of the rear trunnion and maybe dust cover who cares. Clean it up and call it good
Dunno. Not sure I'd be wanting to be anywhere close by when pvt blyatski pulls the trigger.... Ya that one looks a bit different. Still why aren't they cleaning them to see what they actually look like under the rust Because these kids have never handled a firearm. They don't know wtf to do |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 8:02:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: The problem with the "Escalate to Deescalate" strategy is it can quickly spiral out of control if the other side doesn't respond in the desired fashion, or if the escalating party miscalculates. The Cuban Missile Crisis, the Japanese takeover of French Indochina, the Serbian-sponsored assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, The Russian Czar's mobilization against the Imperial Germans, and so forth. Ultimately, things can end badly for one side (such as such as the USSR's partial backdown over Cuba and Khrushchev's removal from power) or both sides (WWI, The Pacific portion of WWII, etc). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By Dominion21: Is that a joke? The Russians determined the outcome of this referendum long before it ever began. There is no “referendum.” It is a complete, total, 100% farce. We all know that. He is just wondering what putin would do if somehow it went against him. IF putin wants out of this, it would be a great opportunity. But I think putin is only willing to win or burn the world if he can't have it. OK, to answer the question seriously, no. First, it would be essentially a full admission to the Russian public that the war against Ukraine all the way back to 2014 was hogwash. The Russian public can (no) question the tactics, the preparation, and the competence of certain individuals, but they will NEVER be allowed to question the justifications for the war, which of course is the only important question. Second, if he wanted to bail out via that method, he wouldn’t be mobilizing. Mobilization will be a disaster, but Putin believes not mobilizing will be worse at least for his goals. Mobilization is a massive escalation and not one that I would file under “escalate to de-escalate.” The ramifications are too bad and long term. The problem with the "Escalate to Deescalate" strategy is it can quickly spiral out of control if the other side doesn't respond in the desired fashion, or if the escalating party miscalculates. The Cuban Missile Crisis, the Japanese takeover of French Indochina, the Serbian-sponsored assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, The Russian Czar's mobilization against the Imperial Germans, and so forth. Ultimately, things can end badly for one side (such as such as the USSR's partial backdown over Cuba and Khrushchev's removal from power) or both sides (WWI, The Pacific portion of WWII, etc). That is why it is very important that we keep emphasizing to them that we are not going to deescalate if they use nukes. We only escalate after any of their actions escalate. If they should deescalate first, then we back down. Have to keep it simple for them, don't want a misunderstanding. |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 8:06:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: It took out what looks like static UAVs sitting in one location. Some room for improvement Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: They only use small burst when hunting drones, 8 to 12 rounds, the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT videos aren't showing the normal use of the Gepard. And the Germans delivered more ammo earlier, 53k plus 4k training ammo. 2,1k per vehicle with the latest delivery, not much but better than nothing. The Swiss are blocking more ammo, the German Army had no more ammo because the Gepard was decommissioned years ago. They need an shotgun type ammo that ignites so many feet out watch this video of Rhinemetal anti UAS drone system. this needs to be in Ukraine! it shoots shells that explode pellets right in front of the drone or swarms of drones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp2irqTXikgIt's capable of much more than what was shown. Trust me on that. Rheinmetall Air Defence: Ahead - Highly effective, programmable ammunition  Oerlikon Ahead Air Burst Munition |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 8:13:12 AM EST
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Russian conscript in the woods: "Where are we?" The woods: "Welcome to Ukraine cyka!" |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 8:22:03 AM EST
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Posted: 9/24/2022 8:23:11 AM EST
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Posted: 9/24/2022 8:25:28 AM EST
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Posted: 9/24/2022 8:28:03 AM EST
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Posted: 9/24/2022 8:28:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: The problem with the "Escalate to Deescalate" strategy is it can quickly spiral out of control if the other side doesn't respond in the desired fashion, or if the escalating party miscalculates. The Cuban Missile Crisis, the Japanese takeover of French Indochina, the Serbian-sponsored assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, The Russian Czar's mobilization against the Imperial Germans, and so forth. Ultimately, things can end badly for one side (such as such as the USSR's partial backdown over Cuba and Khrushchev's removal from power) or both sides (WWI, The Pacific portion of WWII, etc). Indeed. It's kind of like saying "Let me do something irrational, but I expect everyone else to behave rationally". |
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Posted: 9/24/2022 8:29:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Zeihan gave an hour talk. It’s an updated version of his longer presentation he gave a year or so ago about Russian thinking. However his attitude has changed. He now says this is something that we have to win because Putin will eventually fight NATO and use Nukes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA-jOLF2T4cI just watched the whole thing yesterday. Starts out similar to his first hour-long video, but touches on a lot of other stuff too. The wheels really seem to be coming off the entire world 
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Posted: 9/24/2022 8:29:45 AM EST
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Posted: 9/24/2022 8:31:18 AM EST
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Posted: 9/24/2022 8:31:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Posted: 9/24/2022 8:33:11 AM EST
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Top men, TOP men...
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Posted: 9/24/2022 8:34:17 AM EST
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Posted: 9/24/2022 8:34:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
A few days back someone was joking about new orc conscripts being issued rusty rifles.... Looks like that is already the accepted approach. It looks more like the cosmoline dissolved the wax paper wrap on that rifle. Almost certainly some rust on there somewhere though. Soak the parts in some diesel and will bet good as new. Maybe. |
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