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Posted: 9/25/2022 10:51:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Okay, I take it back- no summary possible at this point. Dagestan is getting feisty.
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Posted: 9/25/2022 10:56:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: It wasn’t so much they knew as they were in favor of it. The US State Dept. was riddled with communists during WWII. A few years later the same assholes that sold out Poland and Eastern Europe lost China to the communists too. Fuck FDR. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By Jozsi: We were complicit.....journalist reports were coming out about what was happening and the US press and leftist scums of the 30's covered it up.....like the Hollywood commie cock lovers of the 30's...they REFUSED TO BELIEVE IT....they just ignored it despite photos...despite dozens of witnesses. WE WERE COMPLICIT dude....FDR knew and many in the state dept. KNEW. It wasn’t so much they knew as they were in favor of it. The US State Dept. was riddled with communists during WWII. A few years later the same assholes that sold out Poland and Eastern Europe lost China to the communists too. Fuck FDR. When the VENONA boys at NSA cracked the Soviet cyphers (which, among other things proved Hiss was a Soviet spy and the Rosenbergs were guilty, they didn’t go to Truman about it because the Administration was so riddled with KGB assets they were concerned Truman would just have them….not the commies… “dealt with”. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:02:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
there it is voices of protest answered by machinegun fire |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:07:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Jozsi]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: When the VENONA boys at NSA cracked the Soviet cyphers (which, among other things proved Hiss was a Soviet spy and the Rosenbergs were guilty, they didn’t go to Truman about it because the Administration was so riddled with KGB assets they were concerned Truman would just have them….not the commies… “dealt with”. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: Originally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By Jozsi: We were complicit.....journalist reports were coming out about what was happening and the US press and leftist scums of the 30's covered it up.....like the Hollywood commie cock lovers of the 30's...they REFUSED TO BELIEVE IT....they just ignored it despite photos...despite dozens of witnesses. WE WERE COMPLICIT dude....FDR knew and many in the state dept. KNEW. It wasn’t so much they knew as they were in favor of it. The US State Dept. was riddled with communists during WWII. A few years later the same assholes that sold out Poland and Eastern Europe lost China to the communists too. Fuck FDR. When the VENONA boys at NSA cracked the Soviet cyphers (which, among other things proved Hiss was a Soviet spy and the Rosenbergs were guilty, they didn’t go to Truman about it because the Administration was so riddled with KGB assets they were concerned Truman would just have them….not the commies… “dealt with”. In the end, McCarthy was right..he was always right. Tail gunner Joe really tried. 
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:12:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: In the end, McCarthy was right..he was alwsys right. Tail gunner Joe really tried. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: Originally Posted By Tiberius: Originally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By Jozsi: We were complicit.....journalist reports were coming out about what was happening and the US press and leftist scums of the 30's covered it up.....like the Hollywood commie cock lovers of the 30's...they REFUSED TO BELIEVE IT....they just ignored it despite photos...despite dozens of witnesses. WE WERE COMPLICIT dude....FDR knew and many in the state dept. KNEW. It wasn’t so much they knew as they were in favor of it. The US State Dept. was riddled with communists during WWII. A few years later the same assholes that sold out Poland and Eastern Europe lost China to the communists too. Fuck FDR. When the VENONA boys at NSA cracked the Soviet cyphers (which, among other things proved Hiss was a Soviet spy and the Rosenbergs were guilty, they didn’t go to Truman about it because the Administration was so riddled with KGB assets they were concerned Truman would just have them….not the commies… “dealt with”. In the end, McCarthy was right..he was alwsys right. Tail gunner Joe really tried. Well hell. It's never too late. 
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:13:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: Cossackgundi interview:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19910207/russians-death-threats-pow-aiden-aslin/ Roman is a good man. (I’ve been a Chelsea fan for 16 years.). People say that the next guy after Putin would be worse, I think that if the Russians are lucky enough to get him to leadership, they’ll have the fastest turn around a country has ever had. He’ll probably be murdered now. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:14:11 AM EDT
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The editorial office of RT has already received more than 700 complaints about violations within the framework of partial mobilization, of which 350 complaints are about violations of the age limit.
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:16:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brok3n: Yeah it's for sure a difficult problem set with no one size fits all solution. Someone mentioned the return of barrage balloons. I can't think of a better term, but maybe stringing up barrage style balloons with nets connecting them around buildings ala 'cope cage' style may actually provide some last ditch defense/blast mitigation maybe even entangle the drone from ever exploding. It might work, but you would have to do that top every potential target, and in the process positively identify any target of value for aircraft or TBM strikes. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:17:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: A killbox is generally an air force term. More on that later. An engagement area is generally a piece of ground, usually a rectangle. Doesn't have to be, it just turns out that way. You look the route bad guys are going (avenue of approach) and basically then look for a concealed piece of terrain (woods, town) that looks along the avenue of approach to a place you cant hide (engagement area---big open fields). You lay out weapons appropriately. Put the NLAWs 600 meters away, the stugnas and javs a few klicks out, dismounts and infantry up close, and then box it in with mines, blocking mines between you and bad guys, fixing mines on teh flans, a nice U shape, and the cherry on top is the artillery pre planned target in the middle. This is the traditional "engagement area" and between the tanks, land mines, dug in positions, and general obviousness of where it SHOULD be, especially when dealing with professionals...you sorta start knowing where it should be, and you send your fools (recon, cav scouts  ) forward to get shot at first. They are willing to sacrifice their lives to find these things as long as back in garrison you let them wear cool hats and weird metal jangly things on their boots.In modern day times, as artillery and spotting and GPS make everything faster, and much more accurate, the kill box is different. Now three or four dudes in the woods, or of course, a drone, can spot you, and call in artillery, and it is as we've seen a perpetual game of hide and go seek. So, Ukrainian recon cant help you as you are looking for four hidden guys and they are looking for moving targets. And you may find most of them, but GPS and radio are so plentiful an screen line of OPS could be out there and you cant get all of them. So the key, I imagine, is you've gotta go to the source and kill the shooters, as the spotters cant be all found and killed. Hence HIMARs and drones. To be frank, there isnt much point in pushing infantry forward, as its a big artillery duel, unless this is a feint and you are bluntly sacrificing men to fix enemy attention. Which is a valid tactic, if you must. The phrases that pay are "set the conditions" dont rush to failure" As an aside, shifting gears, it is really hard to defuse some of those artillery driven land mines, and armies in general underresource their mine clearing units in peacetime. Artillery delivered mines flying over the front into rear areas and roads are probably very effective. 120 tanks? I doubt it. 120 armored vehicles? I could believe that, no problem. And that's not a Russian thing. Artillery delivered mines are a really really tough problem to solve. good read, thnx Q. Could those art delivered mines have just "disabled" scores of tanks by, for instance, detracking them? Even if only temporarily, it necessitates parts and repair support, right? thnx again |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:19:15 AM EDT
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Israel will accept 20 seriously wounded Ukrainian soldiers for treatment - Ambassador
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:20:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:24:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:25:52 AM EDT
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I need a bit of help here. Seems some Ukrainians are getting stuck in the mud and need to air down the tires on some MRaps. How do you work the CTIS in them?
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:28:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: It might work, but you would have to do that top every potential target, and in the process positively identify any target of value for aircraft or TBM strikes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Originally Posted By Brok3n: Yeah it's for sure a difficult problem set with no one size fits all solution. Someone mentioned the return of barrage balloons. I can't think of a better term, but maybe stringing up barrage style balloons with nets connecting them around buildings ala 'cope cage' style may actually provide some last ditch defense/blast mitigation maybe even entangle the drone from ever exploding. It might work, but you would have to do that top every potential target, and in the process positively identify any target of value for aircraft or TBM strikes. That's a good point  I'd pick a derelict building and setup a decoy one there then just to f with their targeteers.
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:30:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: m35ben]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: I need a bit of help here. Seems some Ukrainians are getting stuck in the mud and need to air down the tires on some MRaps. How do you work the CTIS in them? https://youtube.com/shorts/v0MLf-T7cVQ?feature=share |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:37:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: This is what they are stuck in. Any help would be nice https://youtube.com/shorts/v0MLf-T7cVQ?feature=share Right of the steering wheel, about where the gear shift would be. 
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:40:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThanks. I am not familiar with the stuff so do you just press the button? I know my questions are basic here but I have to explain this to a guy who then tell others.
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:42:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Thanks. I am not familiar with the stuff so do you just press the button? I know my questions are basic here but I have to explain this to a guy who then tell others. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Yeah, takes about ten minutes to air down. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:43:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Yeah, takes about ten minutes to air down. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:43:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2022 11:54:02 AM EDT
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 Russians Against Mobilisation: protests, opinions, people fleeing More from Niki Proshin. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 12:06:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: there it is voices of protest answered by machinegun fire Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
there it is voices of protest answered by machinegun fire The police is never your friend, nowhere on this planet. Fucking bastards. 
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Posted: 9/25/2022 12:06:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThere are a couple of comments on the video wanting to hit me with Iskander missiles. Fun times
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IL, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2022 12:15:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
The crowd gave zero fucks about the gun fire. That is a problem for Russia.
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Posted: 9/25/2022 12:24:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2022 12:28:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2022 12:39:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 9/25/2022 12:44:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fdgg8oJXgAYC8NH?format=jpg&name=large So far in 36hrs Russia has lost two SU-30SM fighters, two SU-34 fighter bombers, and a SU-25 attack aircraft. Days still young. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 12:45:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vahog: Huh, who knew? Did you work for Timex? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vahog: Originally Posted By pivoproseem: One of the major milestones in the Russian watch industry was the result of buying the bankrupt Dueber-Hampden Watch Factory in Ohio and sending employees there to train and set up machinery. https://twobrokewatchsnobs.com/russian-watches-part-2-the-first-moscow-watch-factory-poljot/ Huh, who knew? Did you work for Timex? Thanks for posting that @pivoproseem (my wife would disagree as this is exactly the kind of stuff that detracts from house chores!) Im from that area kinda (Pitt) and found it fascinating. The take away message for me is more validation there is next to NOTHING communism has produced and proud of that they actually created. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 12:50:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
They should hold a referendum to leave russia. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 12:50:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: So far in 36hrs Russia has lost two SU-30SM fighters, two SU-34 fighter bombers, and a SU-25 attack aircraft. Days still young. Those are rookie numbers. I want to see them Doubled |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 12:53:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdgbmGcXwAEj4m_?format=jpg&name=large Is Horobyivka a city of several hundred thousand or a village? I googled it but couldn't be certain. Thanks |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 12:54:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ServusVeritatis]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Those are rookie numbers. I want to see them Doubled Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By kncook: So far in 36hrs Russia has lost two SU-30SM fighters, two SU-34 fighter bombers, and a SU-25 attack aircraft. Days still young. Those are rookie numbers. I want to see them Doubled The equivalent cost of those 5 planes is $143.5 million USD. Plus the training cost of any lost pilots. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 12:56:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By klinc: They should hold a referendum to leave russia. The last time someone tried that there, it resulted in a bloody war. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 12:57:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Grendelsbane]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: The equivalent cost of those 5 planes is $143.5 million USD. Plus the training cost of any lost pilots. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By kncook: So far in 36hrs Russia has lost two SU-30SM fighters, two SU-34 fighter bombers, and a SU-25 attack aircraft. Days still young. Those are rookie numbers. I want to see them Doubled The equivalent cost of those 5 planes is $143.5 million USD. Plus the training cost of any lost pilots. I’d like to see that in current rate production months. Can they even build any at all right now? |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:00:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:03:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: Is Horobyivka a city of several hundred thousand or a village? I googled it but couldn't be certain. Thanks Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdgbmGcXwAEj4m_?format=jpg&name=large Is Horobyivka a city of several hundred thousand or a village? I googled it but couldn't be certain. Thanks These are tiny villages. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:03:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: absael]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: The equivalent cost of those 5 planes is $143.5 million USD. Plus the training cost of any lost pilots. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By kncook: So far in 36hrs Russia has lost two SU-30SM fighters, two SU-34 fighter bombers, and a SU-25 attack aircraft. Days still young. Those are rookie numbers. I want to see them Doubled The equivalent cost of those 5 planes is $143.5 million USD. Plus the training cost of any lost pilots. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:04:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: Is Horobyivka a city of several hundred thousand or a village? I googled it but couldn't be certain. Thanks Villages on the axis of advance east towards Svatove. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:05:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Something new has been confirmed.
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:08:17 PM EDT
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Dagestan sunset is at 1745 Moscow time, so at this point you have a decent shot at judging how old the video is.
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:12:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By absael: And AFAIK they can't replace the planes. They can replace the pilots, but with the dwindling number of planes, and replacement parts being hard to come by, I can't imagine that they're getting much seat time before being sent out on sorties. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By absael: Originally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By kncook: So far in 36hrs Russia has lost two SU-30SM fighters, two SU-34 fighter bombers, and a SU-25 attack aircraft. Days still young. Those are rookie numbers. I want to see them Doubled The equivalent cost of those 5 planes is $143.5 million USD. Plus the training cost of any lost pilots. It seems like a lot of their highly trained reserve slots like Doctors, Nurses, Pilots, and even officers, are quite old. - In their 50s, 60s, and 70s. Pretty obvious that training budgets for those spots was almost nill an the old dudes were kept as reservists just to say "We have a reserve." As has been bandied about muchly... Takes a while to train a pilot. Takes even longer to produce an MD or a competent officer. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:12:23 PM EDT
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Wonder how long it will be before the Dagestan police switch from firing shots in the air to firing shots into flesh.?
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:14:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Villages on the axis of advance east towards Svatove. thanks, finally found it |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:15:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Something new has been confirmed. Can that be the major part of the big uptick in aircraft losses? I thought it was probably sortie rate + riskier mission profile. Maybe not? I believe you said before these were significantly more capable. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:16:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grendelsbane: I’d like to see that in current rate production months. Can they even build any at all right now? |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:16:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryMan, look at how clean that thing is! That engine is spotless, you could eat off it. If that were a Russian tank it would look like a fucking rat nest. I wish Ukraine had about a thousand of these T-84 Oplot tanks. They are vastly superior to 95% of the tanks Russia is using, and at worst, equal to Russia's very best and most modern tanks. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:19:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Man, look at how clean that thing is! That engine is spotless, you could eat off it. If that were a Russian tank it would look like a fucking rat nest. I wish Ukraine had about a thousand of these T-84 Oplot tanks. They are vastly superior to 95% of the tanks Russia is using, and at worst, equal to Russia's very best and most modern tanks. and even though it's supposed to have advanced protection, it shows how vulnerable they are to attacks affecting the engines and accessories 
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:20:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: It seems like a lot of their highly trained reserve slots like Doctors, Nurses, Pilots, and even officers, are quite old. - In their 50s, 60s, and 70s. Pretty obvious that training budgets for those spots was almost nill an the old dudes were kept as reservists just to say "We have a reserve." As has been bandied about muchly... Takes a while to train a pilot. Takes even longer to produce an MD or a competent officer. Good point. I read yesterday in someplace like Ykaterinburg, the mobilization commissars abducted and conscripted a 50yo cardiologist, single mother of four, underscoring your point. |
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Posted: 9/25/2022 1:22:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Something new has been confirmed.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdhDfFZVQAM-dB8?format=jpg&name=900x900 Please send a ka52 to rescue the mi8 and the jet. Get a hat trick! |
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