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Link Posted: 10/13/2022 3:57:45 PM EDT
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Won't be long till the orcs try ERA body armor.
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 3:59:33 PM EDT
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They put reactive armor on a scooby doo van?
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They put reactive armor on a scooby doo van?


Man the scientist in me wants to hit it with a HEDP to see what happens 🤷

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Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:00:21 PM EDT
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There is always a choice.

Pop a 7.62 or a 5.45 into your CO and surrender..

Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:03:05 PM EDT
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And they would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those meddling Ukrainians!
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:03:15 PM EDT
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In addition to the export of wheeled and tracked military equipment from Belarus to the Russian Federation, we also record the export of ammunition from the arsenals of the Republic of Belarus. So, for example, on October 11, 2022 at 01:24 am from the station Bronnaya Gora (Brest branch of the Belarusian Railway) in the direction of the station Baranovichi-Tsentralny freight train No. 3502 left with a group of cars (26 units, 20 of which are marked VM) loaded ammunition from the 46th arsenal of missiles and ammunition.

📍The final destination for this group of cars: Olkhovatka station (South-Eastern Railway, Central Federal District, Voronezh Region). 📍Consignee: code No. 7787807 - Federal State Institution "Department of Financial Support of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation". 📍Estimated date of arrival: 10/19/2022. The route to the Olkhovatka station: Bronnaya Gora (BelZhD) - Baranovichi-Central (BelZhD) - Minsk-Sorting (BelZhD) - Orsha-Central (BelZhD) - Osinovka (BelZhD) - Krasnoe (RZD) - Smolensk (RZD) - Bryansk- Lgovsky (RZD) - Lgov-Kyiv (RZD) - Otrozhka (RZD) - Rossosh (RZD) - Olkhovatka (RZD). The length of the route is 1612 km. @belzhd_live

https://t.me/belzhd_live/1921

Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:03:19 PM EDT
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They should just make a suit covered in ERA...UN_Stoppabe!! Or at least make vests out of them.

beat
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:04:49 PM EDT
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Damn. How thin are their supplies? You'd think they'd be pretty fat going into winter.
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Losing the bridge causing logistical collapse?

Only explanation I can see for this 'only a matter of days' attitude we're seeing pieces of from both sides.

Damn. How thin are their supplies? You'd think they'd be pretty fat going into winter.
Ukraine has been capturing half-starved Russians for weeks, and the Russians are dumping as many as 300,000 men into open fields often without issuing them sleeping bags, tents, first aid supplies, or sometimes summer weight uniforms, and apparently few if any winter outfits.  That was the situation before the Kerch Bridge explosion.  There are recent reports that an oil and fuel shortage (or at least a projected one) is forcing the Russians to park some of their armor.  

The original force would have wintered with difficulty.  A few weeks ago the decision to double or triple that force meant that a lot of Russian troops were going to surrender or die this winter of exposure and disease with empty stomachs, IMO.  Then their most important supply line was all but severed.  Even if it's miraculously patched back up in a week or two those are weeks they couldn't afford to lose because they were way behind to begin with.
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:07:40 PM EDT
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Ukraine has been capturing half-starved Russians for weeks, and the Russians are dumping as many as 300,000 men into open fields often without issuing them sleeping bags, tents, first aid supplies, or sometimes summer weight uniforms, and apparently few if any winter outfits.  That was the situation before the Kerch Bridge explosion.  There are recent reports that an oil and fuel shortage (or at least a projected one) is forcing the Russians to park some of their armor.  

The original force would have wintered with difficulty.  A few weeks ago the decision to double or triple that force meant that a lot of Russian troops were going to surrender or die this winter of exposure and disease with empty stomachs, IMO.  Then their most important supply line was all but severed.  Even if it's miraculously patched back up in a week or two those are weeks they couldn't afford to lose because they were way behind to begin with.
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Something... Something... Professionals study logistics.

And the thing my thoughts seem to keep coming back to. Ukraine is right on Russia's border.
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:08:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Prime:

In addition to the export of wheeled and tracked military equipment from Belarus to the Russian Federation, we also record the export of ammunition from the arsenals of the Republic of Belarus. So, for example, on October 11, 2022 at 01:24 am from the station Bronnaya Gora (Brest branch of the Belarusian Railway) in the direction of the station Baranovichi-Tsentralny freight train No. 3502 left with a group of cars (26 units, 20 of which are marked VM) loaded ammunition from the 46th arsenal of missiles and ammunition.

📍The final destination for this group of cars: Olkhovatka station (South-Eastern Railway, Central Federal District, Voronezh Region). 📍Consignee: code No. 7787807 - Federal State Institution "Department of Financial Support of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation". 📍Estimated date of arrival: 10/19/2022. The route to the Olkhovatka station: Bronnaya Gora (BelZhD) - Baranovichi-Central (BelZhD) - Minsk-Sorting (BelZhD) - Orsha-Central (BelZhD) - Osinovka (BelZhD) - Krasnoe (RZD) - Smolensk (RZD) - Bryansk- Lgovsky (RZD) - Lgov-Kyiv (RZD) - Otrozhka (RZD) - Rossosh (RZD) - Olkhovatka (RZD). The length of the route is 1612 km. @belzhd_live

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Why we can’t give the UA a few hundred ATACMs is beyond me. 18 for the Kerch bridge, 4 for each Belorussian depot, 16 for Sebasastapol etc. all in one big FU strike.

Letting the Russians run offensive ops just behind the border is  absurd. It’s typical half m assure stuff. You can fight back but you just can’t punch with your right (opponent can but you can’t) or hit below belt. Don’t worry we got your back isn’t good enough here.
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:12:21 PM EDT
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Yeah, but does it have anything inside?
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:14:07 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:18:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer:


Why we can’t give the UA a few hundred ATACMs is beyond me. 18 for the Kerch bridge, 4 for each Belorussian depot, 16 for Sebasastapol etc. all in one big FU strike.

Letting the Russians run offensive ops just behind the border is  absurd. It’s typical half m assure stuff. You can fight back but you just can’t punch with your right (opponent can but you can’t) or hit below belt. Don’t worry we got your back isn’t good enough here.
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Add Transnistria, make it an Eastern European death blossom.

Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:18:46 PM EDT
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Aerial footage shows Russian MT-LB vehicle slowly inching towards scattered TM-62 anti-tank mines lining a Ukrainian road without seeming to notice the explosive devices.

Russian soldier cluelessly ploughs armoured vehicle into clearly visible landmines
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:19:32 PM EDT
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Best Twitter comment so far:

"why does that look like Obama and George Washington?"
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:22:09 PM EDT
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Interesting.
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Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:26:34 PM EDT
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That is a lot of M142 HIMARS systems Lockheed could have sold Poland if they had greater production capacity. I recall Poland wanted to order 500 HIMARS systems, but it is understandable that they can't wait years to get them. We seriously need to increase our capacity for manufacturing greater numbers of weapons systems and also have an additional built in surge capacity for even more, should the need arise. It is a joke that we can only produce such a pathetic number of HIMARS launchers in a given year. The same is true for many other weapons systems as well, to include naval ships. We need multiple plants capable of producing the same systems. And we need multiple yards capable of building a single class of ships.
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I'm no SME (someone will be along shortly) but I think part of the problem is the fickleness of the US politics. One year they want 100 HIMARS, the next year Congress wants to cancel the whole thing. Year after that they want 500...It's probably better to keep the production lines running at a snails pace, maximize profits and ride out the ups and downs. Otherwise they'd go crazy (or broke) hiring a bunch of people one year, training them etc then firing everyone. Then trying to re-hire again. Slow and steady so they have contracts for several years out.
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:28:39 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:31:07 PM EDT
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Yes, they did. The Dems at the time used Duranty’s articles to smear those who tried to reveal the truth about the Holodomor.  
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The dems have been on the wrong side of history as many times as the russians have been.
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:32:55 PM EDT
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Add Transnistria, make it an Eastern European death blossom.

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I thought about that but my intentions for cheblinka is more for resupply in extremis.
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:34:18 PM EDT
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Best Twitter comment so far:

"why does that look like Obama and George Washington?"
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Please don’t give the Z boys more ammo
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:37:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

I'm no SME (someone will be along shortly) but I think part of the problem is the fickleness of the US politics. One year they want 100 HIMARS, the next year Congress wants to cancel the whole thing. Year after that they want 500...It's probably better to keep the production lines running at a snails pace, maximize profits and ride out the ups and downs. Otherwise they'd go crazy (or broke) hiring a bunch of people one year, training them etc then firing everyone. Then trying to re-hire again. Slow and steady so they have contracts for several years out.
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That is a lot of M142 HIMARS systems Lockheed could have sold Poland if they had greater production capacity. I recall Poland wanted to order 500 HIMARS systems, but it is understandable that they can't wait years to get them. We seriously need to increase our capacity for manufacturing greater numbers of weapons systems and also have an additional built in surge capacity for even more, should the need arise. It is a joke that we can only produce such a pathetic number of HIMARS launchers in a given year. The same is true for many other weapons systems as well, to include naval ships. We need multiple plants capable of producing the same systems. And we need multiple yards capable of building a single class of ships.

I'm no SME (someone will be along shortly) but I think part of the problem is the fickleness of the US politics. One year they want 100 HIMARS, the next year Congress wants to cancel the whole thing. Year after that they want 500...It's probably better to keep the production lines running at a snails pace, maximize profits and ride out the ups and downs. Otherwise they'd go crazy (or broke) hiring a bunch of people one year, training them etc then firing everyone. Then trying to re-hire again. Slow and steady so they have contracts for several years out.


LM has the capability to build what they anticipated to supply the government acquisition objectives.  For a period of time M142 production was done, than it restarted.

But, there are wider ranging supply chain issues throughout the US defense sector, and its not just LM. All the primes out there have similar issues and it gets worse when you get down to  the subcontractors that make the various components of the all the weapon systems.  
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:38:40 PM EDT
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Hopefully those of the post-Boomer generatons who are too young to remember and were never taught what the Russians are really like are getting real-time exposure to the facts.
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:41:44 PM EDT
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The vast number of kids and young women (breeding vessels) is truly staggering and a good argument for attacks past 1991 border if conditions are not met.

I say breeding vessels because bet your ass that’s how the Soliviki in power see them. Future Russian force generators.
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:42:35 PM EDT
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Like they wouldn't just abandon it while retreating only to have it fired back at them......
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:44:16 PM EDT
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Like they wouldn't just abandon it while retreating only to have it fired back at them......
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Please don’t give the Z boys more ammo


Like they wouldn't just abandon it while retreating only to have it fired back at them......


In this case we were discussing the Wagner Obama scubby van of horrors but yes that too.
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:49:56 PM EDT
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They need to dock those ruskies a days pay for nappin' on the job!
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:53:17 PM EDT
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GSD is best dog!

Link Posted: 10/13/2022 4:57:44 PM EDT
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They put reactive armor on a scooby doo van?


True, but it's not like it has explosives in it...
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 5:04:09 PM EDT
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The UA and the West has already made its mind up that, nukes or no, Putin ain’t coming out of this alive

He can’t
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At no time in history has humanity had more information available, unfortunately tons of people only accept "their" truth. Yuri Bezmenov warned us...
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Battle pup fuck you up!
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They’re either learning or too lazy to get those weird flat boxes out of the way before they set stuff down.








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They’re either learning or too lazy to get those weird flat boxes out of the way before they set stuff down.
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Pallets?

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Seeing that makes me glad I don't associate with anyone who has the "Why should I care about Ukraine?" attitude.
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 5:25:19 PM EDT
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GSD is best dog!

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GSD is best dog!



It's always struck me how a dog in a combat zone brings most everyone over.

Probably a brief return to normal times and a bit of relief.
Link Posted: 10/13/2022 5:32:50 PM EDT
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I felt the same way.  What a fucking waste!
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what ever it is, we needed to have sent more.
We should also consider that an awful lot of the gear and ammo are a net gain to our military budget. M113s are never going back into US service, we have spent billions maintaining them in storage over the years, same with gobs of the ammo we have sent, we paid for it decades ago, and would have continued spending billions maintaining and storing it for decades to come.

What so few seem to grasp is that most of what we have sent is our garbage, sort of like at my house, every few years we go through and donate junk to a church rummage sale or other charity, it is junk, but still useful to someone else. I am glad to get rid of it, and the other person finds it valuable. I often send a few bits that are "good stuff" with the junk, because it is for a good cause, but it is still things I am not going to use any way.


P38 is right of course.  

Here is an illustration of his point (building an artificial reef):

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WTF man! I would have bought one of those!

It breaks my heart to see that.

I felt the same way.  What a fucking waste!


One of best old friends was a seabee (sp?) During the Korean War. After the war, his job was to dispose of American equipment off the side of a ship.  Brand new vehicles of all types.  Cadillac produced ambulances, personnel carriers, Jeeps, etc.  For weeks on end.  He said it broke his heart doing it.
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If so, off with their heads...
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Depuy was the fucking man.
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Depuy was the fucking man.



One of a kind.

Here is a paper written by a retired three star, discussing how the Army experimented on its new hole, and conducted 70 experiments to determine the best way to dig a hole.  They actually seemed to have brought out a primitive version of MILES for it.


Soldiers have always been accused of preparing for the last war. In this case we could be
accused of preparing for the last war twice removed plus one or two intervening affairs. But the
evolution of weapons and tactics is a continuum. As in navigation, it is easier to know where
you are if you also know where you have been.
Now at last there are very modem methods for simulating many of the critical features of
combat in order to find the best tactical solutions without waiting for that next war. In 1976 at
Hunter Liggett Reservation, Calif., the Army's Combat Developments Experimentation
Command (CDEC) conducted a long series of laser engagement simulations with infantry units
in the attack and defense.
CDEC has this to say about such simulations: "The experiment marked the first time that a
force-on-force infantry experiment had been conducted with realistic real-time casualty
assessment. Methodology for simulating (with lasers and associated instrumentation) rifles,
automatic weapons, grenade-launchers, antitank weapons, hand grenades and indirect-fire
weapons was employed. The technology developed for this experiment opens up almost
unlimited possibilities for future infantry field experiments."
In the mid-1970s Ft. Benning prescribed a whole new concept for infantry positions. Designed
to defeat the direct suppressive fire of an attacking enemy, the defensive positions were to be dug
behind some form of frontal cover-a rock, tree or hummock, or where no such natural cover
existed, behind a parapet to be constructed from the spoil excavated in the course of digging-in.
Used with stunning success by certain units in Vietnam, this technique was only
partially-perhaps reluctantly is a better word-accepted by the infantry noncommissioned
officers.
Requiring, as it does, that the soldiers in each two-man position fire to the right and left at
about a 45-degree angle across the front of adjacent positions, this system of defense involves a
high degree of mutual interdependence. The protection of each position from a direct frontal
assault depends upon the fire from the positions on either flank.
The benefit derived from the system, of course, is that these interlocking positions can continue
to engage the advancing enemy even when they are receiving suppressive fire from the front.
The inability to see directly to the front during the enemy assault reduces casualties, but produces
anxiety, especially among the sergeants, many of whom apparently would rather take their
chances with the enemy fire while looking and fighting to the front.
It was for these reasons that CDEC was asked to evaluate the parapet foxhole. Troops from
the 7th Division at Ft. Ord conducted some 70 trials in which a platoon of infantry armed with
laser engagement simulators on each weapon, in a highly instrumented environment, attacked a
rifle squad similarly equipped using three different foxhole configurations.
The first was the good old hole in the ground called standard. The second was the parapet
foxhole as described earlier. The third was a so-called split parapet in which there was a slot in
the middle of the parapet through which the soldiers could see and shoot either to the front or
obliquely from behind the cover of the two "humps."
The more important findings were as follows:
* "Based on the casualty exchange ratio, the parapet and split parapet foxholes are more than
twice as effective as the standard foxhole in the daylight defense."
* "The soldier prefers the split parapet foxhole over both the standard and frontal parapet
foxhole."
* "The attacker fired three times as much ammunition against the parapet foxhole as against
the standard foxhole to achieve the same number of hits."
" Use of two fire support squads and one maneuver squad was more effective in penetrating
all types of prepared positions than the use of one fire support and two maneuver squads."'
This last finding was a bonus. While looking for one thing, as is so often the case during
scientific experiments, the Army found something else of equal importance.
More specifically, it was found that a formation of two up and one back-that is, two moving
and one shooting-penetrated the defense only 25 percent of the time. But when the ratio of
movers to shooters was reversed-that is, two shooting and one moving-the defense was
penetrated 87 percent of the time.


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They need to dock those ruskies a days pay for nappin' on the job!
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They need to dock those ruskies a days pay for nappin' on the job!
I don't know - that first guy really got a leg up!

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Why we can’t give the UA a few hundred ATACMs is beyond me. 18 for the Kerch bridge, 4 for each Belorussian depot, 16 for Sebasastapol etc. all in one big FU strike.

Letting the Russians run offensive ops just behind the border is  absurd. It’s typical half m assure stuff. You can fight back but you just can’t punch with your right (opponent can but you can’t) or hit below belt. Don’t worry we got your back isn’t good enough here.
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USA is well known for letting certain nation states provide logistics to opposing forces while we were not allowed to target those locations. Aka: china/Korean war, china,Russia,laos-vietnam war, and on and on
Geopolitics.
And it sucks.
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Alleged M777 destruction.


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It's always struck me how a dog in a combat zone brings most everyone over.

Probably a brief return to normal times and a bit of relief.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:

GSD is best dog!



It's always struck me how a dog in a combat zone brings most everyone over.

Probably a brief return to normal times and a bit of relief.


But it's one of the worst things when anything happens to the dog.

Our four legged buddy took some shrapnel from a granade, 2 guys nearly got killed while rescuing the dog.





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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:


But it's one of the worst things when anything happens to the dog.

Our four legged buddy took some shrapnel from a granade, 2 guys nearly got killed while rescuing the dog.





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Originally Posted By Swampgrass:
Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:

GSD is best dog!



It's always struck me how a dog in a combat zone brings most everyone over.

Probably a brief return to normal times and a bit of relief.


But it's one of the worst things when anything happens to the dog.

Our four legged buddy took some shrapnel from a granade, 2 guys nearly got killed while rescuing the dog.






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