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Ukrainians level multiple buildings in Bakhmut with explosives after Russians enter them.
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Originally Posted By coralreefer: Am I the only one on here that is worried that there will be no Abrams in Ukraine this year???? The last info I saw was that the DOD hasn't even decided what stock's the Abrams will come from. We saw pics of Ukrainian's training on Himars but zero pics of UKE's training on Abrams. There has been no indication that we are in fact training them. I'm super worried there will be zero Abrams participating in the upcoming offensive!! View Quote Abrams adoption isn't a cake walk to implement ... just like F16s ... going from Soviet to straight Western goodies isn't easy but Ukrainians have shown they can do rapidly ... But still ... the Abrams is light years ahead of what they have currently ... |
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Originally Posted By Mickdog13: I get your point of view, but using those specific inlets is exactly the same bullshit the Russians used to target conservatives, more than likely on this very forum. OG could easily be a Russian, recruiting Americans. I’m sure the computer experts have hints already as to the legitimacy of this “leak” based on IP and ISP information. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mickdog13: Originally Posted By fisherman: True but the article seems to describe as useful fools, if not down right villians, this small group as exemplifying everything libs hate. They actually got every last bit of it in there. Gun-loving, Christian, anti-.gov, etc., etc. the list goes on. Could some .gov agency be running the long con here? Never let a disaster go to waste? Getting to the point where I don't believe anything...which may be a secondary objective. I get your point of view, but using those specific inlets is exactly the same bullshit the Russians used to target conservatives, more than likely on this very forum. OG could easily be a Russian, recruiting Americans. I’m sure the computer experts have hints already as to the legitimacy of this “leak” based on IP and ISP information. More likely OG was the guy who got suckered by a Russian operative pushing Putin as the defender of White Christendom against Globohomo west. The fool is an arrogant prick and has to show what he knows for cred. Russian sets the hook. One of the earlier reports about the discord server content was “love of Orthodox Christianity.” The idiot has committed treason and I’m sure he’ll be found soon and have that explained to him in excruciating detail. They’ll find his handler too, at least the online interactions. Just look at GD. Any of them with access would do exactly that, or worse. |
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Originally Posted By Hate_Work: They left off, "white", "Ultra-MAGA" and right wing nazi. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Hate_Work: Originally Posted By MFP_4073: anyone else think its strange there is this 'we found the leaker' reporting -- ascribed to be a God-loving, gun-toting male -- but no arrest or 'official' announcement by a LE org (i would assume the FBI...) ??? ------------------------------------ They left off, "white", "Ultra-MAGA" and right wing nazi. They got in racist and anti-semetic though. |
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Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Ukrainians level multiple buildings in Bakhmut with explosives after Russians enter them. Russian source talking about this tactic: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/550237/Screenshot_20230413-092214_3_png-2780764.JPG View Quote Attached File |
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Russian TG listed off four new PMCs that were in various stages of activity.
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Originally Posted By Capta: More likely OG was the guy who got suckered by a Russian operative pushing Putin as the defender of White Christendom against Globohomo west. The fool is an arrogant prick and has to show what he knows for cred. Russian sets the hook. One of the earlier reports about the discord server content was “love of Orthodox Christianity.” The idiot has committed treason and I’m sure he’ll be found soon and have that explained to him in excruciating detail. They’ll find his handler too, at least the online interactions. Just look at GD. Any of them with access would do exactly that, or worse. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Mickdog13: Originally Posted By fisherman: True but the article seems to describe as useful fools, if not down right villians, this small group as exemplifying everything libs hate. They actually got every last bit of it in there. Gun-loving, Christian, anti-.gov, etc., etc. the list goes on. Could some .gov agency be running the long con here? Never let a disaster go to waste? Getting to the point where I don't believe anything...which may be a secondary objective. I get your point of view, but using those specific inlets is exactly the same bullshit the Russians used to target conservatives, more than likely on this very forum. OG could easily be a Russian, recruiting Americans. I’m sure the computer experts have hints already as to the legitimacy of this “leak” based on IP and ISP information. More likely OG was the guy who got suckered by a Russian operative pushing Putin as the defender of White Christendom against Globohomo west. The fool is an arrogant prick and has to show what he knows for cred. Russian sets the hook. One of the earlier reports about the discord server content was “love of Orthodox Christianity.” The idiot has committed treason and I’m sure he’ll be found soon and have that explained to him in excruciating detail. They’ll find his handler too, at least the online interactions. Just look at GD. Any of them with access would do exactly that, or worse. I have no doubt that if given the opportunity, many here would commit treasonous acts like this if they thought it would hurt Ukraine and their domestic enemies. |
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Originally Posted By RockNwood: Wow. The stupid of that OG guy is mind boggling. He even knew half the discord “family” were foreigners including Russia. Sounds like with all the postings and interactions the feds will nail him soon. Apparently no earth shattering info bits but the gross abuse of access is inexcusable. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By HIPPO: https://wapo.st/3UvaNTQ Leaker of U.S. secret documents worked on military base, friend says THE DISCORD LEAKS | The online group that received hundreds of pages of classified material included foreigners, members tell The Post April 12, 2023 at 9:36 p.m. EDT Click To View Spoiler (Illustration by Lucy Naland/The Washington Post; iStock) The man behind a massive leak of U.S. government secrets that has exposed spying on allies, revealed the grim prospects for Ukraine’s war with Russia and ignited diplomatic fires for the White House is a young, charismatic gun enthusiast who shared highly classified documents with a group of far-flung acquaintances searching for companionship amid the isolation of the pandemic. United by their mutual love of guns, military gear and God, the group of roughly two dozen — mostly men and boys — formed an invitation-only clubhouse in 2020 on Discord, an online platform popular with gamers. But they paid little attention last year when the man some call “OG” posted a message laden with strange acronyms and jargon. The words were unfamiliar, and few people read the long note, one of the members explained. But he revered OG, the elder leader of their tiny tribe, who claimed to know secrets that the government withheld from ordinary people. The young member read OG’s message closely, and the hundreds more that he said followed on a regular basis for months. They were, he recalled, what appeared to be near-verbatim transcripts of classified intelligence documents that OG indicated he had brought home from his job on a “military base,” which the member declined to identify. OG claimed he spent at least some of his day inside a secure facility that prohibited cellphones and other electronic devices, which could be used to document the secret information housed on government computer networks or spooling out from printers. He annotated some of the hand-typed documents, the member said, translating arcane intel-speak for the uninitiated, such as explaining that “NOFORN” meant the information in the document was so sensitive it must not be shared with foreign nationals. Story continues below advertisement OG told the group he toiled for hours writing up the classified documents to share with his companions in the Discord server he controlled. The gathering spot had been a pandemic refuge, particularly for teen gamers locked in their houses and cut off from their real-world friends. The members swapped memes, offensive jokes and idle chitchat. They watched movies together, joked around and prayed. But OG also lectured them about world affairs and secretive government operations. He wanted to “keep us in the loop,” the member said, and seemed to think that his insider knowledge would offer the others protection from the troubled world around them. “He’s a smart person. He knew what he was doing when he posted these documents, of course. These weren’t accidental leaks of any kind,” the member said. A member of the Discord group where classified intelligence documents were posted shares information on the man behind the leak, who some call “OG.” (Video: Whitney Shefte, Jon Gerberg/The Washington Post) The transcribed documents OG posted traversed a range of sensitive subjects that only people who had undergone months-long background checks would be authorized to see. There were top-secret reports about the whereabouts and movements of high-ranking political leaders and tactical updates on military forces, the member said. Geopolitical analysis. Insights into foreign governments’ efforts to interfere with elections. “If you could think it, it was in those documents.” In those initial posts, OG had given his fellow members a small sip of the torrent of secrets that was to come. When rendering hundreds of classified files by hand proved too tiresome, he began posting hundreds of photos of documents themselves, an astonishing cache of secrets that has been steadily spilling into public view over the past week, disrupting U.S. foreign policy and aggravating America’s allies. This account of how detailed intelligence documents intended for an exclusive circle of military leaders and government decision-makers found their way into and then out of OG’s closed community is based in part on several lengthy interviews with the Discord group member, who spoke to The Washington Post on the condition of anonymity. He is under 18 and was a young teenager when he met OG. The Post obtained consent from the member’s mother to speak to him and to record his remarks on video. He asked that his voice not be obscured. What to know about the Discord leaks His account was corroborated by a second member who read many of the same classified documents shared by OG, and who also spoke on the condition of anonymity. Both members said they know OG’s real name as well as the state where he lives and works but declined to share that information while the FBI is hunting for the source of the leaks. The investigation is in its early stages, and the Pentagon has set up its own internal review led by a senior official. “An interagency effort has been stood up, focused on assessing the impact these photographed documents could have on U.S. national security and on our Allies and partners,” Pentagon deputy press secretary Sabrina Singh said in a statement. Discord said in a statement that it is cooperating with law enforcement and has declined to comment further. The Post also reviewed approximately 300 photos of classified documents, most of which have not been made public; some of the text documents OG is said to have written out; an audio recording of a man the two group members identified as OG speaking to his companions; and chat records and photographs that show OG communicating with them on the Discord server. The young member was impressed by OG’s seemingly prophetic ability to forecast major events before they became headline news, things “only someone with this kind of high clearance” would know. He was by his own account enthralled with OG, who he said was in his early to mid-20s. “He’s fit. He’s strong. He’s armed. He’s trained. Just about everything you can expect out of some sort of crazy movie,” the member said. Story continues below advertisement In a video seen by The Post, the man who the member said is OG stands at a shooting range, wearing safety glasses and ear coverings and holding a large rifle. He yells a series of racial and antisemitic slurs into the camera, then fires several rounds at a target. The member seemed drawn to OG’s bravado and his skill with weapons. He felt a certain kinship with a man he described as “like an uncle” and, on another occasion, as a father figure. “I was one of the very few people in the server that was able to understand that these [documents] were legitimate,” the member said, setting himself apart from the others who mostly ignored OG’s posts. “It felt like I was on top of Mount Everest,” he said. “I felt like I was above everyone else to some degree and that … I knew stuff that they didn’t.” A member of the Discord group where classified intelligence documents were leaked describes the contents of the files. (Video: Whitney Shefte, Jon Gerberg/The Washington Post) The member met OG about four years ago, on a different server for fans of Oxide, a popular YouTuber who streams videos about guns, body armor and military hardware. He said a group of avid members found the server too crowded and wanted a quieter place to talk about video game tactics, so they broke off into their own, small group. More like-minded Oxide fans joined the private Discord server, which came to be named “Thug Shaker Central,” and whose membership OG would effectively control as the administrator. “We all grew very close to each other, like a tightknit family,” the member said. “We depended on each other.” He said that other members, and OG especially, counseled him during bouts of depression and helped to steady him emotionally. “There was no lack of love for each other.” OG was the undisputed leader. The member described him as “strict.” He enforced a “pecking order” and expected the others to read closely the classified information he had shared. When their attention waned, he got angry. Late last year, a peeved OG fired off a message to all the members of the server. He had spent nearly an hour every day writing up “these long and drawn-out posts in which he’d often add annotations and explanations for stuff that we normal citizens would not understand,” the member said. His would-be pupils were more interested in YouTube videos about battle gear. “He got upset, and he said on multiple occasions, if you guys aren’t going to interact with them, I’m going to stop sending them.” That’s when OG changed tactics. Rather than spend his time copying documents by keyboard, he took photographs of the genuine articles and dropped them in the server. These were more vivid and arresting documents than the plain text renderings. Some featured detailed charts of battlefield conditions in Ukraine and highly classified satellite images of the aftermath of Russian missile strikes on Ukrainian electrical facilities. Others sketched the potential trajectory of North Korean ballistic nuclear missiles that could reach the United States. Another featured photographs of the Chinese spy balloon that floated across the country in February, snapped from eye-level, probably by a U-2 spy plane, along with a diagram of the balloon and the surveillance technology attached to it. Story continues below advertisement OG shared several documents a week, beginning late last year. Posting pictures to the server took less time. But it also exposed OG to greater risk. In the background of some images, they could see items and furniture that they recognized from the room where OG spoke to them via video on the Discord channel — the kind of clues that could prove useful for federal investigators. The dramatic and yet nonchalant presentation also reminded the group that OG could lay his hands on some of the most closely guarded intelligence in the U.S. government. “If you had classified documents, you’d want to flex at least a little bit, like hey, I’m the big guy,” the member said. “There is a little bit of showing off to friends, but as well as wanting to keep us informed.” In a sense, OG had created a virtual mirror image of the secretive facility where he spent his working hours. Inside the Discord server, he was the ultimate arbiter of secrecy, and he allowed his companions to read truths that “normal citizens” could not. A member of the Discord group where classified intelligence documents were leaked describes the online community. (Video: Whitney Shefte, Jon Gerberg/The Washington Post) The photographs of printed secret documents now seen by millions may offer clues to the federal agents searching for OG. Reality Winner, who leaked secret National Security Agency documents to the news website the Intercept in 2017, was compromised by secret markings on printouts that helped narrow the search. OG’s documents look to have been printed on ordinary paper and were creased after having been folded in four. Sometimes, the photographs OG took of the documents appeared to have been taken over a bed. Items such as Gorilla Glue, a scope manual and nail clippers appeared in the margins. Other previously unreported images reviewed by The Post showed printed documents lying on top of a glowing red keyboard. The breadth of the military and intelligence reports was extensive. For months, OG regularly uploaded page after page of classified U.S. assessments, offering a window into how deeply American intelligence had penetrated the Russian military, showing that Egypt had planned to sell Russia tens of thousands of rockets and suggesting that Russian mercenaries had approached Turkey, a NATO ally, to buy weapons to fight against Ukraine. At least one of the documents appeared to have been printed from Intellipedia, a data-sharing system that intelligence agencies use to collaborate and post reports and articles. The documents were another lesson for younger members in how OG thought the world really worked. The member said OG wasn’t hostile to the U.S. government, and he insisted that he was not working on behalf of any country’s interests. “He is not a Russian operative. He is not a Ukrainian operative,” the member said. The room on the server where he posted the documents was called “bear-vs-pig,” meant to be a snide jab at Russia and Ukraine, and an indication that OG took no sides in the conflict. But OG had a dark view of the government. The young member said he spoke of the United States, and particularly law enforcement and the intelligence community, as a sinister force that sought to suppress its citizens and keep them in the dark. He ranted about “government overreach.” OG told his online companions that the government hid horrible truths from the public. He claimed, according to the members, that the government knew in advance that a white supremacist intended to go on a shooting rampage at a Buffalo supermarket in May 2022. The attack left 10 dead, all of them Black, and wounded three more. OG said federal law enforcement officials let the killings proceed so they could argue for increased funding, a baseless notion that the member said he believes and considers an example of OG’s penetrating insights about the depth of government corruption. OG’s group itself had a dark side. The Discord server’s eventual name, Thug Shaker Central, was a racist allusion, and signaled to members that they were free to hurl epithets and crude jokes. The young member expressed some regret for their behavior but seemed to shrug off the offensive remarks as a clumsy attempt at humor. It was not “a fascist recruiting server,” he told The Post. Story continues below advertisement One thing the members were not supposed to do was talk about the secrets OG had shared with them, including the classified documents. “Most people in the server were smart enough as to kind of realize that … they shouldn’t be posted anywhere else,” the member said. And yet, the group contained foreign citizens — including from Russia and Ukraine, the members said — a defiance of the NOFORN warning printed across the top of so many documents OG shared. The member estimated that the server hosted people from Europe, Asia and South America. “Just about every walk of life.” Of the roughly 25 active members who had access to the bear-vs-pig channel, about half were located overseas, the member said. The ones who seemed most interested in the classified material claimed to be from mostly “Eastern Bloc and those post-Soviet countries,” he said. “The Ukrainians had interest as well,” which the member chalked up to interest in the war ravaging their homeland. For years, U.S. counterintelligence officials have eyed gaming platforms as a magnet for spies. Russian intelligence operatives have been suspected of befriending gamers who they believe work for intelligence agencies and encouraging them to divulge classified information, a senior U.S. official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information. It’s not clear whether any of those efforts have been successful. But if foreign operatives finagled an invitation to OG’s server, they would have been free to view the documents and make copies of them, as some members did. The server sprouts a leak All winter, OG uploaded documents to the server. No one talked about sharing them elsewhere. Then, unbeknown to the group, on Feb. 28, another teenage user from the Thug Shaker Central server began posting several dozen photographs showing classified documents on another Discord server affiliated with the YouTuber “wow_mao.” Some of the documents offered detailed assessments of Ukraine’s defense capabilities and showed how far U.S. intelligence could see into Russia’s military command. On March 4, 10 documents appeared on “Minecraft Earth Map,” a Discord server focused on the popular video game. A user operating the account that posted the smaller tranche of images told The Post they obtained them on wow_mao. Secret and top-secret documents were now available to thousands of Discord users, but the leak wouldn’t come to the attention of U.S. authorities for another month. Meanwhile, OG stopped sharing images in the middle of March. On April 5, classified documents assessing the war in Ukraine were posted on Russian Telegram channels and the message board platform 4chan, and began migrating to Twitter. One image, showing a March 1 Ukraine status update, had been crudely doctored to inflate the number of Ukrainian casualties and downplay those on the Russian side. The next day, shortly before the New York Times first reported on the leak, OG came into the server “frantic, which is unusual for him,” the member said. “He said something had happened, and he prayed to God that this event would not happen. … But now it’s in God’s hands.” Story continues below advertisement For all OG’s disdain for the federal government, the member said there was no indication that he was acting in what he thought was the public interest by exposing official secrets. The classified documents were intended only to benefit his online family, the member said. “I would definitely not call him a whistleblower. I would not call OG a whistleblower in the slightest,” he said, resisting comparisons to Edward Snowden, who shared classified documents about government surveillance with journalists. Remarkably, the member said he has been in touch with OG in the past few days, even as an FBI manhunt is underway and the Pentagon launches its own inquiry into the leaks. After shuttering the Thug Shaker Central server, OG moved the community to another server to communicate with his online family. He “seemed very confused and lost as to what to do,” the member said. “He’s fully aware of what’s happening and what the consequences may be. He’s just not sure on how to go about solving this situation. … He seems pretty distraught about it.” In his final message to his companions, OG admonished them to “keep low and delete any information that could possibly relate to him,” the member said. That included any copies of the classified documents OG had shared. When it dawned on them that OG was in grave peril and intended to disappear, the members of Thug Shaker Central “full-on sobbed and cried,” the young member said. “It is like losing a family member.” In hours of interviews, he continued to express admiration and loyalty to a man who may have endangered his young followers by allowing them to see and possess classified information, exposing them to potential federal crimes. “I figured he would not be putting us in any sort of harm’s way,” the member said. The exposure of the documents has severed friendships and cut him off from the man who buoyed his confidence and made him feel safe. The member said that the stress of the loss, coupled with the enormity of the leaks, has left him worried and sleepless. Now he says he believes that the world should see the secrets OG passed along to a tiny group. He argued that the public deserves to know how intelligence agencies spend their tax dollars, and was particularly outraged that the documents show U.S. surveillance of foreign allies. But what the young man regarded as a revelation will come as no surprise to the countries whose officials the U.S. has been monitoring for decades. While rarely discussed, and embarrassing for Washington when exposed, it’s widely understood that the U.S. intelligence community monitors many friendly governments, just as foreign allies try to do the same. Story continues below advertisement Thousands of military personnel and government employees around OG’s age, working entry-to-low-level positions, could plausibly have access to classified documents like the ones he allegedly shared, according to U.S. officials and experts who have seen the documents reported in the media. Despite what his young followers thought, OG would have had no special knowledge compared with his peers. He possessed no special power to predict events. Rather, he appears to have persuaded some highly impressionable teenagers that he’s a modern-day gamer meets Jason Bourne. The member said he’s confident the authorities will find OG. But when they do, he won’t be charged. Instead, he believes, OG will be imprisoned without due process at Guantánamo Bay or disappeared to a “black site,” if he’s not “assassinated” for what he knows. The member, as well as the OG follower who corroborated his account, found no fault in their leader’s actions and instead said they blame the teen who posted the documents on the wow_mao server for wrecking their community. “Maybe we should have had better opsec,” the member said, harnessing the jargon of military and intelligence personnel for “operations security.” He insisted said he will not divulge OG’s identity or location to law enforcement until he is captured or can flee the United States. “I think I might be detained eventually. … I think there might be a short investigation on how I knew this guy and they’ll try to get something out of me. They might try to threaten me with prison time if I don’t reveal their identity.” To date, no federal law enforcement officials have contacted the young group member. Asked why he was prepared to help OG even at the risk of his own freedom, the young man replied without hesitation: “He was my best friend.” Wow. The stupid of that OG guy is mind boggling. He even knew half the discord “family” were foreigners including Russia. Sounds like with all the postings and interactions the feds will nail him soon. Apparently no earth shattering info bits but the gross abuse of access is inexcusable. I would imagine they would be able to track him down via the Discord servers, even if deleted. |
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Originally Posted By Dracster: They got in racist and anti-semetic though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By Hate_Work: Originally Posted By MFP_4073: anyone else think its strange there is this 'we found the leaker' reporting -- ascribed to be a God-loving, gun-toting male -- but no arrest or 'official' announcement by a LE org (i would assume the FBI...) ??? ------------------------------------ They left off, "white", "Ultra-MAGA" and right wing nazi. They got in racist and anti-semetic though. yeah that's kinda my point. like they purposely checked every conservative descriptor they could think of as a poster mentioned above... everything's conjecture at this point. another odd thing i saw this morning -- one report said the leaker had been posting this info over a period of MONTHs. whole thing just seems weird. then there's the whole 'is it even legit info' consideration. this could be like 3d and 4d chess... shaping the battlefield. or not. |
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Originally Posted By coralreefer: Am I the only one on here that is worried that there will be no Abrams in Ukraine this year???? The last info I saw was that the DOD hasn't even decided what stock's the Abrams will come from. We saw pics of Ukrainian's training on Himars but zero pics of UKE's training on Abrams. There has been no indication that we are in fact training them. I'm super worried there will be zero Abrams participating in the upcoming offensive!! View Quote |
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: More pictures: https://i.imgur.com/XZnKvzK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/frwzA62.jpg https://i.imgur.com/4pcdN9Z.jpg https://i.imgur.com/v8Dgwro.jpg T-90A at a truck stop in Louisiana. April 2023 View Quote Looks small. |
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Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Ukrainians level multiple buildings in Bakhmut with explosives after Russians enter them. Russian source talking about this tactic: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/550237/Screenshot_20230413-092214_3_png-2780764.JPG View Quote Cope |
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Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Ukrainians level multiple buildings in Bakhmut with explosives after Russians enter them. Russian source talking about this tactic: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/550237/Screenshot_20230413-092214_3_png-2780764.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Haub: That would not have been good. Saved by poor maintaining or just... I cant...
View Quote Russians are gonna keep stepping on their dicks in the black sea. Sooner or later someone will shoot back. And NOT with shitty Russian missiles. |
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Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Ukrainians level multiple buildings in Bakhmut with explosives after Russians enter them. Russian source talking about this tactic: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/550237/Screenshot_20230413-092214_3_png-2780764.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Ukrainians level multiple buildings in Bakhmut with explosives after Russians enter them. Russian source talking about this tactic: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/550237/Screenshot_20230413-092214_3_png-2780764.JPG There is thermal drone video, but I didn't have any context. Holy crap!
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: There is thermal drone video, but I didn't have any context. Holy crap!
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Originally Posted By MFP_4073: anyone else think its strange there is this 'we found the leaker' reporting -- ascribed to be a God-loving, gun-toting male -- but no arrest or 'official' announcement by a LE org (i would assume the FBI...) ??? ------------------------------------ View Quote The Fedbois either don’t have a name yet….and this article will lead them in the right direction….or they have the perp and are trying to evaluate how bad this is before they announce it. |
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: -->US helping Europe with Ukraine is not likely to be reciprocated by the EU helping the US with Taiwan I'm still 100% on the Fuck Russia, ATACMS for Ukraine lifestyle. But it's important to realize EU fondness of the US due to our support for Ukraine is already waning. Outside of Britain, we really don't have any allies we can count on in Europe. We should be doing more to strengthen the British economically (such as granting them a NAFTA level access to the US market) and Militarily (say getting them discounted munitions and tech.) View Quote Asia Pacific is the ones who need to step up for Taiwan. I would expect to see europe help, but much in the same way Asia Pacific has assisted in Ukraine, that is, to a much less degree as it isn't their fight. Face it. No one in Western Europe is a super power. |
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Originally Posted By Tiberius: The Fedbois either don’t have a name yet….and this article will lead them in the right direction….or they have the perp and are trying to evaluate how bad this is before they announce it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Tiberius: Originally Posted By MFP_4073: anyone else think its strange there is this 'we found the leaker' reporting -- ascribed to be a God-loving, gun-toting male -- but no arrest or 'official' announcement by a LE org (i would assume the FBI...) ??? ------------------------------------ The Fedbois either don’t have a name yet….and this article will lead them in the right direction….or they have the perp and are trying to evaluate how bad this is before they announce it. BellingCat also got ahold of the source and spoke to the same people a few days before the WaPo story hit. Their days are very numbered. Based on the profile I’d guess it is a young civilian analyst (perhaps a ctr) or a junior officer that lives in the DMV, Colorado, Georgia, or Texas. Doubt they live oconus. My hunch is they (not for much longer) work at DIA, JCS, or NSA. Maybe ODNI. I’m sure we’ll find out sooner rather than later. Also, keep in mind that a shit load of the IC workforce (on the ‘corporate’ side) was sent home during covid, so not at all surprising that idle hands were the devils workshop. The only way this blows my mind if it was all a way to feed fake intel under a very plausible cover. ETA: Well, sounds like they got a suspect. My guesses were off a bit. Oh well. What a stupid motherfucker. |
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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: “I do think there may be concern that the Russians may be jamming the signal used to direct the JDAMs, which would answer why these munitions are not performing in the manner expected and how they perform in other war zones,” said Mick Mulroy a former Pentagon official and retired CIA officer. [/i] View Quote I am a bit confused why we even field a weapon that is so reliant on an easily jammed system. |
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Originally Posted By voyager3: Blyat does mean "whore" literally. But when used as an expletive the correct translation would be "fuck!" or "shit!" since you don't yell "whore!" when you step on a Lego block. Literal word by word translation vs understanding context is the reason why the auto-translated texts look so stilted. View Quote I do. Well its more like cunt fuck shit goddamn whore ass titts. I hate legos. |
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Originally Posted By Chaingun: They shipped a UA tank back here? Any idea what the plans for it is? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Chaingun: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: More pictures: https://i.imgur.com/XZnKvzK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/frwzA62.jpg https://i.imgur.com/4pcdN9Z.jpg https://i.imgur.com/v8Dgwro.jpg T-90A at a truck stop in Louisiana. April 2023 Any idea what the plans for it is? They should put it on tour and charge money for "selfies with a captured Russian T-90" and use the money to help fund the war. |
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Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Ukrainians level multiple buildings in Bakhmut with explosives after Russians enter them. Russian source talking about this tactic: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/550237/Screenshot_20230413-092214_3_png-2780764.JPG View Quote End of his statement makes it sound like they are luring Russian forces forward and buying time by “retreating” (saving casualties). |
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: I'm skeptical. There were reports that Russia was supplying Iraq with jammers during OIF and they did nothing but tell our folks where to bomb to kill the jammers. Lots of variables to take into account like are these even the same tech, was the tech updated, JDAM now vs whatever munition used then, etc. but, massive grain of salt here given how lacking Russian wunder-weapons have been to date. U.S. Bombs GPS-Jamming Sites In Iraq, Possibly Sold by Russia Russian GPS Jammers Pose Little Threat In Iraq Also, just a friendly reminder that data in the leaks are probably best regarded as misinformation given the fact st least some data has already been acknowledged as fraudulent, even if the source of the leaks is authentic. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Russia jamming U.S. smart bombs in Ukraine, leaked docs say A separate technical problem, since fixed, had been causing the munitions to fail. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/12/russia-jamming-u-s-smart-bombs-in-ukraine-leaked-docs-say-00091600 American-made smart bombs are falling victim to Russian electronic jamming in Ukraine, causing them to miss their targets, according to leaked documents and confirmed by a Defense Department official. In some cases, the weapons were also failing to detonate due to a technical issue, which Ukrainian troops have since addressed. The Pentagon in December began sending Kyiv advanced equipment that could convert unguided air-dropped munitions into precision-guided “smart bombs” that can hit Russian targets with a higher degree of accuracy. The guided bombs can be launched by a variety of aircraft such as bombers and fighters, and are called Joint Direct Attack Munitions or JDAMs. The longer-range version being sent to Ukraine is called a JDAM-Extended Range, or JDAM-ER. But the weapons have experienced higher-than-expected dud rates and have missed their targets on the battlefield, according to a leaked slide prepared by the Joint Staff and confirmed by a U.S. official, who was granted anonymity to discuss a sensitive issue. In some cases, the bomb fuzes were not arming when they were released, causing the weapon to fail to detonate. The Ukrainian air force put in place a fix to ensure the bombs are arming correctly, according to the slide and the official. A larger problem is that Russia is using GPS jamming to interfere with the weapons’ targeting process, according to the slide and a separate person familiar with the issue who’s not in the U.S. government. American officials believe Russian jamming is causing the JDAMs, and at times other American weapons such as guided rockets, to miss their mark. “I do think there may be concern that the Russians may be jamming the signal used to direct the JDAMs, which would answer why these munitions are not performing in the manner expected and how they perform in other war zones,” said Mick Mulroy a former Pentagon official and retired CIA officer. I'm skeptical. There were reports that Russia was supplying Iraq with jammers during OIF and they did nothing but tell our folks where to bomb to kill the jammers. Lots of variables to take into account like are these even the same tech, was the tech updated, JDAM now vs whatever munition used then, etc. but, massive grain of salt here given how lacking Russian wunder-weapons have been to date. U.S. Bombs GPS-Jamming Sites In Iraq, Possibly Sold by Russia Russian GPS Jammers Pose Little Threat In Iraq Also, just a friendly reminder that data in the leaks are probably best regarded as misinformation given the fact st least some data has already been acknowledged as fraudulent, even if the source of the leaks is authentic. remember a month or so ago when the cheap drones were flying around the "sophisticated" russian radar/jammers and then dropping grenades on them? |
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Originally Posted By AROKIE: Macron sure is doing a huge 180 lately. China must pay pretty damn good. Guess Biden isn't rhe only one in on the China grift View Quote I think something that went by without to much fanfare was us undercutting the deal France had with Australia with subs. They were furious. I don't see it as much as being on china's payroll as much as "you backdoored us in the Pacific a few years ago? Cool we can be pissy at a date to be named later". Not sticking up for France but everything has consequences |
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Originally Posted By kncook: End of his statement makes it sound like they are luring Russian forces forward and buying time by “retreating” (saving casualties). View Quote This would explain some of the back and forth in Bakhmut. Wagner fights for two days to get to a building, makes it their little FOB, then it blows up at night when they're all in the basement. |
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Originally Posted By MarineGrunt: https://twitter.com/mschwirtz/status/1646544473361457153?s=20 Leaker found Edit. Don’t know why my tweets never show… do you have to be a member? View Quote Why would an ANG member (of any form) be privy to any of that information? Or is he supposed to be a world class hacker? |
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Originally Posted By MarineGrunt: https://twitter.com/mschwirtz/status/1646544473361457153?s=20 Leaker found Edit. Don’t know why my tweets never show… do you have to be a member? View Quote Delete everthing after the last number, starting with the Questionmark.
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Originally Posted By Haub: https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cq-a96-gOQp/ "Exactly one year ago, on April 13, 2022, the enemy cruiser “Moscow” was confidently in the territorial waters of Ukraine, near the Zmiinyi (Snake) Island. A missile strike from the Ukrainian complex “Neptune” helped the flagship of the russian Black Sea fleet find a only possible course for a “Russian warship” - to the bottom. According to the authors, the actual launch is on the video." View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Birddog15: Well now, that's interesting. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Birddog15: Originally Posted By HIPPO: https://wapo.st/3UvaNTQ Leaker of U.S. secret documents worked on military base, friend says THE DISCORD LEAKS | The online group that received hundreds of pages of classified material included foreigners, members tell The Post April 12, 2023 at 9:36 p.m. EDT Click To View Spoiler (Illustration by Lucy Naland/The Washington Post; iStock) The man behind a massive leak of U.S. government secrets that has exposed spying on allies, revealed the grim prospects for Ukraine’s war with Russia and ignited diplomatic fires for the White House is a young, charismatic gun enthusiast who shared highly classified documents with a group of far-flung acquaintances searching for companionship amid the isolation of the pandemic. United by their mutual love of guns, military gear and God, the group of roughly two dozen — mostly men and boys — formed an invitation-only clubhouse in 2020 on Discord, an online platform popular with gamers. But they paid little attention last year when the man some call “OG” posted a message laden with strange acronyms and jargon. The words were unfamiliar, and few people read the long note, one of the members explained. But he revered OG, the elder leader of their tiny tribe, who claimed to know secrets that the government withheld from ordinary people. The young member read OG’s message closely, and the hundreds more that he said followed on a regular basis for months. They were, he recalled, what appeared to be near-verbatim transcripts of classified intelligence documents that OG indicated he had brought home from his job on a “military base,” which the member declined to identify. OG claimed he spent at least some of his day inside a secure facility that prohibited cellphones and other electronic devices, which could be used to document the secret information housed on government computer networks or spooling out from printers. He annotated some of the hand-typed documents, the member said, translating arcane intel-speak for the uninitiated, such as explaining that “NOFORN” meant the information in the document was so sensitive it must not be shared with foreign nationals. Story continues below advertisement OG told the group he toiled for hours writing up the classified documents to share with his companions in the Discord server he controlled. The gathering spot had been a pandemic refuge, particularly for teen gamers locked in their houses and cut off from their real-world friends. The members swapped memes, offensive jokes and idle chitchat. They watched movies together, joked around and prayed. But OG also lectured them about world affairs and secretive government operations. He wanted to “keep us in the loop,” the member said, and seemed to think that his insider knowledge would offer the others protection from the troubled world around them. “He’s a smart person. He knew what he was doing when he posted these documents, of course. These weren’t accidental leaks of any kind,” the member said. A member of the Discord group where classified intelligence documents were posted shares information on the man behind the leak, who some call “OG.” (Video: Whitney Shefte, Jon Gerberg/The Washington Post) The transcribed documents OG posted traversed a range of sensitive subjects that only people who had undergone months-long background checks would be authorized to see. There were top-secret reports about the whereabouts and movements of high-ranking political leaders and tactical updates on military forces, the member said. Geopolitical analysis. Insights into foreign governments’ efforts to interfere with elections. “If you could think it, it was in those documents.” In those initial posts, OG had given his fellow members a small sip of the torrent of secrets that was to come. When rendering hundreds of classified files by hand proved too tiresome, he began posting hundreds of photos of documents themselves, an astonishing cache of secrets that has been steadily spilling into public view over the past week, disrupting U.S. foreign policy and aggravating America’s allies. This account of how detailed intelligence documents intended for an exclusive circle of military leaders and government decision-makers found their way into and then out of OG’s closed community is based in part on several lengthy interviews with the Discord group member, who spoke to The Washington Post on the condition of anonymity. He is under 18 and was a young teenager when he met OG. The Post obtained consent from the member’s mother to speak to him and to record his remarks on video. He asked that his voice not be obscured. What to know about the Discord leaks His account was corroborated by a second member who read many of the same classified documents shared by OG, and who also spoke on the condition of anonymity. Both members said they know OG’s real name as well as the state where he lives and works but declined to share that information while the FBI is hunting for the source of the leaks. The investigation is in its early stages, and the Pentagon has set up its own internal review led by a senior official. “An interagency effort has been stood up, focused on assessing the impact these photographed documents could have on U.S. national security and on our Allies and partners,” Pentagon deputy press secretary Sabrina Singh said in a statement. Discord said in a statement that it is cooperating with law enforcement and has declined to comment further. The Post also reviewed approximately 300 photos of classified documents, most of which have not been made public; some of the text documents OG is said to have written out; an audio recording of a man the two group members identified as OG speaking to his companions; and chat records and photographs that show OG communicating with them on the Discord server. The young member was impressed by OG’s seemingly prophetic ability to forecast major events before they became headline news, things “only someone with this kind of high clearance” would know. He was by his own account enthralled with OG, who he said was in his early to mid-20s. “He’s fit. He’s strong. He’s armed. He’s trained. Just about everything you can expect out of some sort of crazy movie,” the member said. Story continues below advertisement In a video seen by The Post, the man who the member said is OG stands at a shooting range, wearing safety glasses and ear coverings and holding a large rifle. He yells a series of racial and antisemitic slurs into the camera, then fires several rounds at a target. The member seemed drawn to OG’s bravado and his skill with weapons. He felt a certain kinship with a man he described as “like an uncle” and, on another occasion, as a father figure. “I was one of the very few people in the server that was able to understand that these [documents] were legitimate,” the member said, setting himself apart from the others who mostly ignored OG’s posts. “It felt like I was on top of Mount Everest,” he said. “I felt like I was above everyone else to some degree and that … I knew stuff that they didn’t.” A member of the Discord group where classified intelligence documents were leaked describes the contents of the files. (Video: Whitney Shefte, Jon Gerberg/The Washington Post) The member met OG about four years ago, on a different server for fans of Oxide, a popular YouTuber who streams videos about guns, body armor and military hardware. He said a group of avid members found the server too crowded and wanted a quieter place to talk about video game tactics, so they broke off into their own, small group. More like-minded Oxide fans joined the private Discord server, which came to be named “Thug Shaker Central,” and whose membership OG would effectively control as the administrator. “We all grew very close to each other, like a tightknit family,” the member said. “We depended on each other.” He said that other members, and OG especially, counseled him during bouts of depression and helped to steady him emotionally. “There was no lack of love for each other.” OG was the undisputed leader. The member described him as “strict.” He enforced a “pecking order” and expected the others to read closely the classified information he had shared. When their attention waned, he got angry. Late last year, a peeved OG fired off a message to all the members of the server. He had spent nearly an hour every day writing up “these long and drawn-out posts in which he’d often add annotations and explanations for stuff that we normal citizens would not understand,” the member said. His would-be pupils were more interested in YouTube videos about battle gear. “He got upset, and he said on multiple occasions, if you guys aren’t going to interact with them, I’m going to stop sending them.” That’s when OG changed tactics. Rather than spend his time copying documents by keyboard, he took photographs of the genuine articles and dropped them in the server. These were more vivid and arresting documents than the plain text renderings. Some featured detailed charts of battlefield conditions in Ukraine and highly classified satellite images of the aftermath of Russian missile strikes on Ukrainian electrical facilities. Others sketched the potential trajectory of North Korean ballistic nuclear missiles that could reach the United States. Another featured photographs of the Chinese spy balloon that floated across the country in February, snapped from eye-level, probably by a U-2 spy plane, along with a diagram of the balloon and the surveillance technology attached to it. Story continues below advertisement OG shared several documents a week, beginning late last year. Posting pictures to the server took less time. But it also exposed OG to greater risk. In the background of some images, they could see items and furniture that they recognized from the room where OG spoke to them via video on the Discord channel — the kind of clues that could prove useful for federal investigators. The dramatic and yet nonchalant presentation also reminded the group that OG could lay his hands on some of the most closely guarded intelligence in the U.S. government. “If you had classified documents, you’d want to flex at least a little bit, like hey, I’m the big guy,” the member said. “There is a little bit of showing off to friends, but as well as wanting to keep us informed.” In a sense, OG had created a virtual mirror image of the secretive facility where he spent his working hours. Inside the Discord server, he was the ultimate arbiter of secrecy, and he allowed his companions to read truths that “normal citizens” could not. A member of the Discord group where classified intelligence documents were leaked describes the online community. (Video: Whitney Shefte, Jon Gerberg/The Washington Post) The photographs of printed secret documents now seen by millions may offer clues to the federal agents searching for OG. Reality Winner, who leaked secret National Security Agency documents to the news website the Intercept in 2017, was compromised by secret markings on printouts that helped narrow the search. OG’s documents look to have been printed on ordinary paper and were creased after having been folded in four. Sometimes, the photographs OG took of the documents appeared to have been taken over a bed. Items such as Gorilla Glue, a scope manual and nail clippers appeared in the margins. Other previously unreported images reviewed by The Post showed printed documents lying on top of a glowing red keyboard. The breadth of the military and intelligence reports was extensive. For months, OG regularly uploaded page after page of classified U.S. assessments, offering a window into how deeply American intelligence had penetrated the Russian military, showing that Egypt had planned to sell Russia tens of thousands of rockets and suggesting that Russian mercenaries had approached Turkey, a NATO ally, to buy weapons to fight against Ukraine. At least one of the documents appeared to have been printed from Intellipedia, a data-sharing system that intelligence agencies use to collaborate and post reports and articles. The documents were another lesson for younger members in how OG thought the world really worked. The member said OG wasn’t hostile to the U.S. government, and he insisted that he was not working on behalf of any country’s interests. “He is not a Russian operative. He is not a Ukrainian operative,” the member said. The room on the server where he posted the documents was called “bear-vs-pig,” meant to be a snide jab at Russia and Ukraine, and an indication that OG took no sides in the conflict. But OG had a dark view of the government. The young member said he spoke of the United States, and particularly law enforcement and the intelligence community, as a sinister force that sought to suppress its citizens and keep them in the dark. He ranted about “government overreach.” OG told his online companions that the government hid horrible truths from the public. He claimed, according to the members, that the government knew in advance that a white supremacist intended to go on a shooting rampage at a Buffalo supermarket in May 2022. The attack left 10 dead, all of them Black, and wounded three more. OG said federal law enforcement officials let the killings proceed so they could argue for increased funding, a baseless notion that the member said he believes and considers an example of OG’s penetrating insights about the depth of government corruption. OG’s group itself had a dark side. The Discord server’s eventual name, Thug Shaker Central, was a racist allusion, and signaled to members that they were free to hurl epithets and crude jokes. The young member expressed some regret for their behavior but seemed to shrug off the offensive remarks as a clumsy attempt at humor. It was not “a fascist recruiting server,” he told The Post. Story continues below advertisement One thing the members were not supposed to do was talk about the secrets OG had shared with them, including the classified documents. “Most people in the server were smart enough as to kind of realize that … they shouldn’t be posted anywhere else,” the member said. And yet, the group contained foreign citizens — including from Russia and Ukraine, the members said — a defiance of the NOFORN warning printed across the top of so many documents OG shared. The member estimated that the server hosted people from Europe, Asia and South America. “Just about every walk of life.” Of the roughly 25 active members who had access to the bear-vs-pig channel, about half were located overseas, the member said. The ones who seemed most interested in the classified material claimed to be from mostly “Eastern Bloc and those post-Soviet countries,” he said. “The Ukrainians had interest as well,” which the member chalked up to interest in the war ravaging their homeland. For years, U.S. counterintelligence officials have eyed gaming platforms as a magnet for spies. Russian intelligence operatives have been suspected of befriending gamers who they believe work for intelligence agencies and encouraging them to divulge classified information, a senior U.S. official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information. It’s not clear whether any of those efforts have been successful. But if foreign operatives finagled an invitation to OG’s server, they would have been free to view the documents and make copies of them, as some members did. The server sprouts a leak All winter, OG uploaded documents to the server. No one talked about sharing them elsewhere. Then, unbeknown to the group, on Feb. 28, another teenage user from the Thug Shaker Central server began posting several dozen photographs showing classified documents on another Discord server affiliated with the YouTuber “wow_mao.” Some of the documents offered detailed assessments of Ukraine’s defense capabilities and showed how far U.S. intelligence could see into Russia’s military command. On March 4, 10 documents appeared on “Minecraft Earth Map,” a Discord server focused on the popular video game. A user operating the account that posted the smaller tranche of images told The Post they obtained them on wow_mao. Secret and top-secret documents were now available to thousands of Discord users, but the leak wouldn’t come to the attention of U.S. authorities for another month. Meanwhile, OG stopped sharing images in the middle of March. On April 5, classified documents assessing the war in Ukraine were posted on Russian Telegram channels and the message board platform 4chan, and began migrating to Twitter. One image, showing a March 1 Ukraine status update, had been crudely doctored to inflate the number of Ukrainian casualties and downplay those on the Russian side. The next day, shortly before the New York Times first reported on the leak, OG came into the server “frantic, which is unusual for him,” the member said. “He said something had happened, and he prayed to God that this event would not happen. … But now it’s in God’s hands.” Story continues below advertisement For all OG’s disdain for the federal government, the member said there was no indication that he was acting in what he thought was the public interest by exposing official secrets. The classified documents were intended only to benefit his online family, the member said. “I would definitely not call him a whistleblower. I would not call OG a whistleblower in the slightest,” he said, resisting comparisons to Edward Snowden, who shared classified documents about government surveillance with journalists. Remarkably, the member said he has been in touch with OG in the past few days, even as an FBI manhunt is underway and the Pentagon launches its own inquiry into the leaks. After shuttering the Thug Shaker Central server, OG moved the community to another server to communicate with his online family. He “seemed very confused and lost as to what to do,” the member said. “He’s fully aware of what’s happening and what the consequences may be. He’s just not sure on how to go about solving this situation. … He seems pretty distraught about it.” In his final message to his companions, OG admonished them to “keep low and delete any information that could possibly relate to him,” the member said. That included any copies of the classified documents OG had shared. When it dawned on them that OG was in grave peril and intended to disappear, the members of Thug Shaker Central “full-on sobbed and cried,” the young member said. “It is like losing a family member.” In hours of interviews, he continued to express admiration and loyalty to a man who may have endangered his young followers by allowing them to see and possess classified information, exposing them to potential federal crimes. “I figured he would not be putting us in any sort of harm’s way,” the member said. The exposure of the documents has severed friendships and cut him off from the man who buoyed his confidence and made him feel safe. The member said that the stress of the loss, coupled with the enormity of the leaks, has left him worried and sleepless. Now he says he believes that the world should see the secrets OG passed along to a tiny group. He argued that the public deserves to know how intelligence agencies spend their tax dollars, and was particularly outraged that the documents show U.S. surveillance of foreign allies. But what the young man regarded as a revelation will come as no surprise to the countries whose officials the U.S. has been monitoring for decades. While rarely discussed, and embarrassing for Washington when exposed, it’s widely understood that the U.S. intelligence community monitors many friendly governments, just as foreign allies try to do the same. Story continues below advertisement Thousands of military personnel and government employees around OG’s age, working entry-to-low-level positions, could plausibly have access to classified documents like the ones he allegedly shared, according to U.S. officials and experts who have seen the documents reported in the media. Despite what his young followers thought, OG would have had no special knowledge compared with his peers. He possessed no special power to predict events. Rather, he appears to have persuaded some highly impressionable teenagers that he’s a modern-day gamer meets Jason Bourne. The member said he’s confident the authorities will find OG. But when they do, he won’t be charged. Instead, he believes, OG will be imprisoned without due process at Guantánamo Bay or disappeared to a “black site,” if he’s not “assassinated” for what he knows. The member, as well as the OG follower who corroborated his account, found no fault in their leader’s actions and instead said they blame the teen who posted the documents on the wow_mao server for wrecking their community. “Maybe we should have had better opsec,” the member said, harnessing the jargon of military and intelligence personnel for “operations security.” He insisted said he will not divulge OG’s identity or location to law enforcement until he is captured or can flee the United States. “I think I might be detained eventually. … I think there might be a short investigation on how I knew this guy and they’ll try to get something out of me. They might try to threaten me with prison time if I don’t reveal their identity.” To date, no federal law enforcement officials have contacted the young group member. Asked why he was prepared to help OG even at the risk of his own freedom, the young man replied without hesitation: “He was my best friend.” Well now, that's interesting. It's also kinda sad because it confirms that some of the leaks are legit. Especially the analysis of Ukraine army and there ability to take back ground. |
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Originally Posted By TiePilot69: Why would an ANG member (of any form) be privy to any of that information? Or is he supposed to be a world class hacker? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TiePilot69: Originally Posted By MarineGrunt: https://twitter.com/mschwirtz/status/1646544473361457153?s=20 Leaker found Edit. Don’t know why my tweets never show… do you have to be a member? Why would an ANG member (of any form) be privy to any of that information? Or is he supposed to be a world class hacker? The guard goes through the same security background checks as any active duty counterpart. A large portion of guard is active duty as well. It’s not like these guys can walk on base and get access to anything. I’m not sure you realize that the guard actually does..? Anyway… this was some little rat fucker A1C. 102IW - MA guard intel unit. Hope he hangs. |
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Originally Posted By HIPPO: BellingCat also got ahold of the source and spoke to the same people a few days before the WaPo story hit. Their days are very numbered. Based on the profile I’d guess it is a young civilian analyst (perhaps a ctr) or a junior officer that lives in the DMV, Colorado, Georgia, or Texas. Doubt they live oconus. My hunch is they (not for much longer) work at DIA, JCS, or NSA. Maybe ODNI. I’m sure we’ll find out sooner rather than later. Also, keep in mind that a shit load of the IC workforce (on the ‘corporate’ side) was sent home during covid, so not at all surprising that idle hands were the devils workshop. The only way this blows my mind if it was all a way to feed fake intel under a very plausible cover. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HIPPO: Originally Posted By Tiberius: Originally Posted By MFP_4073: anyone else think its strange there is this 'we found the leaker' reporting -- ascribed to be a God-loving, gun-toting male -- but no arrest or 'official' announcement by a LE org (i would assume the FBI...) ??? ------------------------------------ The Fedbois either don’t have a name yet….and this article will lead them in the right direction….or they have the perp and are trying to evaluate how bad this is before they announce it. BellingCat also got ahold of the source and spoke to the same people a few days before the WaPo story hit. Their days are very numbered. Based on the profile I’d guess it is a young civilian analyst (perhaps a ctr) or a junior officer that lives in the DMV, Colorado, Georgia, or Texas. Doubt they live oconus. My hunch is they (not for much longer) work at DIA, JCS, or NSA. Maybe ODNI. I’m sure we’ll find out sooner rather than later. Also, keep in mind that a shit load of the IC workforce (on the ‘corporate’ side) was sent home during covid, so not at all surprising that idle hands were the devils workshop. The only way this blows my mind if it was all a way to feed fake intel under a very plausible cover. I don't think the person that was the initial source of the info did much more than post it to the Discord group, likely for internet clout given his age, if the reports are accurate (and likely at a Russian agent's goading them into it). I'd be pretty surprised if he was the one that manipulated the data and then more widely distributed it given how, as mentioned, the data tries to make the US/Coalition/Ukraine look bad while making Russia look better off. One of the articles acknowledged there were a number of known Russians in the group the source belonged to and I'm sure that was the pipeline to Russian special services who made the changes and further disseminated it to bring us to where we are now. |
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@MarineGrunt View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By MarineGrunt: https://twitter.com/mschwirtz/status/1646544473361457153?s=20 Leaker found Edit. Don’t know why my tweets never show… do you have to be a member? Delete everthing after the last number, starting with the Questionmark.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: It depends on the jamming system, but even if it's say 100km jamming bubble from the target, the idea is that a high quality inertial system will still be able to use the last good GPS data signal before the jamming to still reliably hit that target. Even though the weapon shown here is 3.5 million dollars, the idea of it having to work in a large GPS denied environment is a big selling point. At 2:27 in the video, the system encounters both a communications and gps jamming environment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h449oIjg2kY View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I always wondered about that; seems like that would be priority number 1 for any country we're at war with. It's hard to believe that our side hasn't thought of this and doesn't have a solution in place already - but I'm certainly no expert. It depends on the jamming system, but even if it's say 100km jamming bubble from the target, the idea is that a high quality inertial system will still be able to use the last good GPS data signal before the jamming to still reliably hit that target. Even though the weapon shown here is 3.5 million dollars, the idea of it having to work in a large GPS denied environment is a big selling point. At 2:27 in the video, the system encounters both a communications and gps jamming environment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h449oIjg2kY So I remember hearing in the early aughts that china was looking at denial systems and both gps and sat coms.came.uo.as.a.way to sever our ability to fight. Seems like we have negated the first but has there been exploration if they knock down some of our sats? I realize there is a lot especially with starlink. |
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Ukrainian intelligence has already determined who is behind the brutal murder of Ukrainian soldier. This was stated by Ombudsman Dmytro Lubynets after his meetings with intelligence officers. Although he did not specify whether these were Wagner mercenaries, he shared that the intelligence has assumptions about the location of the incident, as well as data on the individuals who were directly involved in this wrongdoing, including the perpetrator. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By stgdz: So I remember hearing in the early aughts that china was looking at denial systems and both gps and sat coms.came.uo.as.a.way to sever our ability to fight. Seems like we have negated the first but has there been exploration if they knock down some of our sats? I realize there is a lot especially with starlink. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I always wondered about that; seems like that would be priority number 1 for any country we're at war with. It's hard to believe that our side hasn't thought of this and doesn't have a solution in place already - but I'm certainly no expert. It depends on the jamming system, but even if it's say 100km jamming bubble from the target, the idea is that a high quality inertial system will still be able to use the last good GPS data signal before the jamming to still reliably hit that target. Even though the weapon shown here is 3.5 million dollars, the idea of it having to work in a large GPS denied environment is a big selling point. At 2:27 in the video, the system encounters both a communications and gps jamming environment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h449oIjg2kY So I remember hearing in the early aughts that china was looking at denial systems and both gps and sat coms.came.uo.as.a.way to sever our ability to fight. Seems like we have negated the first but has there been exploration if they knock down some of our sats? I realize there is a lot especially with starlink. Oh yes, there is interesting stuff we have as options that can be done if China attempts ASAT against our stuff. https://warontherocks.com/2020/07/america-can-protect-its-satellites-without-kinetic-space-weapons/ https://spacenews.com/u-s-space-force-declares-offensive-communications-jammer-ready-for-deployment/ |
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: I don't think the person that was the initial source of the info did much more than post it to the Discord group, likely for internet clout given his age, if the reports are accurate (and likely at a Russian agent's goading them into it). I'd be pretty surprised if he was the one that manipulated the data and then more widely distributed it given how, as mentioned, the data tries to make the US/Coalition/Ukraine look bad while making Russia look better off. One of the articles acknowledged there were a number of known Russians in the group the source belonged to and I'm sure that was the pipeline to Russian special services who made the changes and further disseminated it to bring us to where we are now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Originally Posted By Tiberius: Originally Posted By MFP_4073: anyone else think its strange there is this 'we found the leaker' reporting -- ascribed to be a God-loving, gun-toting male -- but no arrest or 'official' announcement by a LE org (i would assume the FBI...) ??? ------------------------------------ The Fedbois either don’t have a name yet….and this article will lead them in the right direction….or they have the perp and are trying to evaluate how bad this is before they announce it. BellingCat also got ahold of the source and spoke to the same people a few days before the WaPo story hit. Their days are very numbered. Based on the profile I’d guess it is a young civilian analyst (perhaps a ctr) or a junior officer that lives in the DMV, Colorado, Georgia, or Texas. Doubt they live oconus. My hunch is they (not for much longer) work at DIA, JCS, or NSA. Maybe ODNI. I’m sure we’ll find out sooner rather than later. Also, keep in mind that a shit load of the IC workforce (on the ‘corporate’ side) was sent home during covid, so not at all surprising that idle hands were the devils workshop. The only way this blows my mind if it was all a way to feed fake intel under a very plausible cover. I don't think the person that was the initial source of the info did much more than post it to the Discord group, likely for internet clout given his age, if the reports are accurate (and likely at a Russian agent's goading them into it). I'd be pretty surprised if he was the one that manipulated the data and then more widely distributed it given how, as mentioned, the data tries to make the US/Coalition/Ukraine look bad while making Russia look better off. One of the articles acknowledged there were a number of known Russians in the group the source belonged to and I'm sure that was the pipeline to Russian special services who made the changes and further disseminated it to bring us to where we are now. That’s what it sounds like. He still needs to hang regardless. I had a good feeling these leaks may have been legit when I saw they were pictures taken of documents. I worked in a secure area for several years and it would be pretty easy to print something off the high side, fold it in your pocket then take it home with you. Too easy actually. |
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Originally Posted By RockNwood: It was just announced Gen Mark “Loose Lips” Milley is retiring this year. Coincidence? At 65 for a political animal that loves the limelight? Hmmm View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: New Leaked Documents Show Broad Infighting Among Russian Officials The additional documents also suggest the breach of American intelligence agencies could contain far more material than previously believed. https://archive.ph/BmFQT The depth of the infighting inside the Russian government appears broader and deeper than previously understood, judging from a newly discovered cache of classified intelligence documents that has been leaked online. The additional documents, which did not surface in a 53-page set that came to wide public attention online last week, paint a picture of the Russian government feuding over the count of the dead and wounded in the Ukraine war, with the domestic intelligence agency accusing the military of obscuring the scale of casualties that Russia has suffered. The new batch, which contains 27 pages, reinforces how deeply American spy agencies have penetrated nearly every aspect of the Russian intelligence apparatus and military command structure. It also shows that the breach of American intelligence agencies could contain far more material than previously understood. In one document, American intelligence officials say that Russia’s main domestic intelligence agency, the Federal Security Service, or F.S.B., has “accused” the country’s Defense Ministry “of obfuscating Russian casualties in Ukraine.” The finding highlights “the continuing reluctance of military officials to convey bad news up the chain of command,” they say. F.S.B. officials, the document says, contend that the ministry’s toll did not include the dead and wounded among the Russian National Guard, the Wagner mercenary force or fighters fielded by Ramzan Kadyrov, the strongman leader of the southern Russian republic of Chechnya. The sundry fighting forces that the Kremlin has deployed in Ukraine have sometimes acted at cross purposes, further complicating Russia’s military effort. The F.S.B. “calculated the actual number of Russians wounded and killed in action was closer to 110,000,” the document says. The new documents also provide fresh details about a very public dispute in February in which Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, the business mogul who runs the Wagner force, accused Russian military officials of withholding urgently needed ammunition from his fighters. Mr. Putin attempted to resolve the dispute personally by calling Mr. Prigozhin and Mr. Shoigu into a meeting believed to have taken place on Feb. 22, one document reports. “The meeting almost certainly concerned, at least in part, Prigozhin’s public accusations and resulting tension with Shoygu,” the document says, using an alternative transliteration of the minister’s name. One slide that appears to have been produced by the military’s Joint Staff and dated Feb. 23 concludes that Russia has failed to disrupt the massive flow of Western arms and equipment into Ukraine since the start of the war, and asserts that the Kremlin’s battered military will not be able to change that anytime soon. “During the next 6 months, Russia’s economic challenges and degraded conventional capabilities very likely will further impede its efforts, creating a mostly permissive environment for continued lethal aid deliveries,” the document said. FFS!! they need to stop these fucking leaks... It was just announced Gen Mark “Loose Lips” Milley is retiring this year. Coincidence? At 65 for a political animal that loves the limelight? Hmmm Hopefully someone makes absolutely certain beyond a shadow of a doubt, that access to any and all documents is revoked the second his "retirement" is official. Too damn many people walking around after leaving their .gov position with access IMHO. |
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There's nothing wrong with a little personal baggage, it's owning the whole luggage store that's the problem.
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Originally Posted By LesBaer45: Hopefully someone makes absolutely certain beyond a shadow of a doubt, that access to any and all documents is revoked the second his "retirement" is official. Too damn many people walking around after leaving their .gov position with access IMHO. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LesBaer45: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: New Leaked Documents Show Broad Infighting Among Russian Officials The additional documents also suggest the breach of American intelligence agencies could contain far more material than previously believed. https://archive.ph/BmFQT The depth of the infighting inside the Russian government appears broader and deeper than previously understood, judging from a newly discovered cache of classified intelligence documents that has been leaked online. The additional documents, which did not surface in a 53-page set that came to wide public attention online last week, paint a picture of the Russian government feuding over the count of the dead and wounded in the Ukraine war, with the domestic intelligence agency accusing the military of obscuring the scale of casualties that Russia has suffered. The new batch, which contains 27 pages, reinforces how deeply American spy agencies have penetrated nearly every aspect of the Russian intelligence apparatus and military command structure. It also shows that the breach of American intelligence agencies could contain far more material than previously understood. In one document, American intelligence officials say that Russia’s main domestic intelligence agency, the Federal Security Service, or F.S.B., has “accused” the country’s Defense Ministry “of obfuscating Russian casualties in Ukraine.” The finding highlights “the continuing reluctance of military officials to convey bad news up the chain of command,” they say. F.S.B. officials, the document says, contend that the ministry’s toll did not include the dead and wounded among the Russian National Guard, the Wagner mercenary force or fighters fielded by Ramzan Kadyrov, the strongman leader of the southern Russian republic of Chechnya. The sundry fighting forces that the Kremlin has deployed in Ukraine have sometimes acted at cross purposes, further complicating Russia’s military effort. The F.S.B. “calculated the actual number of Russians wounded and killed in action was closer to 110,000,” the document says. The new documents also provide fresh details about a very public dispute in February in which Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, the business mogul who runs the Wagner force, accused Russian military officials of withholding urgently needed ammunition from his fighters. Mr. Putin attempted to resolve the dispute personally by calling Mr. Prigozhin and Mr. Shoigu into a meeting believed to have taken place on Feb. 22, one document reports. “The meeting almost certainly concerned, at least in part, Prigozhin’s public accusations and resulting tension with Shoygu,” the document says, using an alternative transliteration of the minister’s name. One slide that appears to have been produced by the military’s Joint Staff and dated Feb. 23 concludes that Russia has failed to disrupt the massive flow of Western arms and equipment into Ukraine since the start of the war, and asserts that the Kremlin’s battered military will not be able to change that anytime soon. “During the next 6 months, Russia’s economic challenges and degraded conventional capabilities very likely will further impede its efforts, creating a mostly permissive environment for continued lethal aid deliveries,” the document said. FFS!! they need to stop these fucking leaks... It was just announced Gen Mark “Loose Lips” Milley is retiring this year. Coincidence? At 65 for a political animal that loves the limelight? Hmmm Hopefully someone makes absolutely certain beyond a shadow of a doubt, that access to any and all documents is revoked the second his "retirement" is official. Too damn many people walking around after leaving their .gov position with access IMHO. Agreed, supposedly this is him. |
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Posted 3 hrs ago, translated video in tweet.
tldr: The Russians cannot encircle Bakhmut, and the Ukrainians no longer have a shortage of artillery.
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Damn, completely missed this. Thanks! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By AROKIE: You must have missed this article I posted yesterday. Damn, completely missed this. Thanks! Yw! No worries, I miss alot in this thread also lol. I play catch up most the time |
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Originally Posted By apr67: I do. Well its more like cunt fuck shit goddamn whore ass titts. I hate legos. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By apr67: Originally Posted By voyager3: Blyat does mean "whore" literally. But when used as an expletive the correct translation would be "fuck!" or "shit!" since you don't yell "whore!" when you step on a Lego block. Literal word by word translation vs understanding context is the reason why the auto-translated texts look so stilted. I do. Well its more like cunt fuck shit goddamn whore ass titts. I hate legos. Hot wheels can be worse. Still spikey on top, metal, and wheels to move under your foot when you step on them. |
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Originally Posted By Mickdog13: Odd pattern indeed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mickdog13: Originally Posted By fike: It’s interesting that all of the news stories coming out of “leaks” are all about failures of US systems, Ukrainian failures, and Russian successes. Odd pattern indeed. My offer for a friendly pmag bet is still open it’s all a psyop. It’s just too fucked up and pro Russian. The fact that he had “TS” info was my last straw. And probably sap stuff that just didn’t have the markings in the picture. If it’s real, yea hang him like Fadedsun said. And lift an eyebrow at the kind of kids you hire today. But to do any number of the things he did to make his posts possible is like paychopath level judgement or…. A disinfo campaign. The worrisom part is this is setting up them to go after forums just like this one. |
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Originally Posted By apr67: Several steam powered liberty ships still exist, and still make at least yearly voyages. I think the knowledge exists if it was really needed. However, even more than that, we have tugs so even if the ships couldn't motivate themselves, they could still be moved and mess stuff up. However this is all academic because its not going to happen. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By apr67: Originally Posted By Tiberius: You underestimate the complexity of those old steam power plants. Even for the boilers, there is a whole host of systems that together makes it all work. The manuals have the basics, but there is a lot of institutional knowledge that doesn’t get in them. Some of the ratings that handled aspects of the plant were discontinued decades ago. They can pull MMs and EMs from boats, but IIRC the last conventional steam plant was on the Kitty Hawk, decommissioned in 2009. I’m sure they would be able to find some retired BTs who would leap at the chance to come back and light off boilers one more time, they will need them to train a crew to run them right. Great Lakes once had such a plant built on shore to train MMs and BTs, I doubt it’s still there now. Several steam powered liberty ships still exist, and still make at least yearly voyages. I think the knowledge exists if it was really needed. However, even more than that, we have tugs so even if the ships couldn't motivate themselves, they could still be moved and mess stuff up. However this is all academic because its not going to happen. The knowledge, of course, exists…..never said it didn’t. The training and education pipeline that once sent newly minted BTs to the Fleet, OTOH, does not. That capability would have to be re-built from scratch. For four ships. And until that pipeline was rebuilt, they would have to recruit retirees to operate the ships, as well as serve as instructors in the reconstituted BT “A” School as well as advanced training schools. Yes, it is academic, which mystifies me why you keep insisting that it can be easily done by RTFM or because some volunteers run some triple expansion steam plants on museum ships (which, don’t get me wrong is super cool in its own right). |
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