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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:08:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: This is a before and after picture. It amazes me how fast they clean things up. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwK9ZstaMAAiI_D?format=jpg&name=900x900  FUCK RUSSIA |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:10:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: I was just being a smartass.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, in all fairness, if you ask us to make a cheap drone with no shielding against electronic warfare and commercial control and video systems, I'm sure we could come up with something competitive with commercial off the shelf parts. The West is just quieter about our offerings. https://aerialx.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/B3-G-scaled-400x300.jpg Counter drone system  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_6X5Is916II like the Altus-600 because of the range and AI features, it can be a jamming system, an kamikaze drone, or other aid depending on the cost you want to spend for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs0rNxs7SvEGet the whole package, how much do you want it to hurt? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWjj9e0Qq6gI was just being a smartass. lol, I know you were.  You wouldn't believe the requests for such a cheap item though. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:10:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Once Russia is tapped out and can’t afford disinformation like they could two years ago, watch what random ideas and organizations suddenly blink out of existence. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Which I believe were developed with the efforts of the Soviet Union and other communists. Just another way their IO have proven very successful. It seems to be one of the few things they do well. Once Russia is tapped out and can’t afford disinformation like they could two years ago, watch what random ideas and organizations suddenly blink out of existence. I don't think they're disappearing that quickly. We're still dealing with the legacy of Soviet era IO. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:11:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: This is a before and after picture. It amazes me how fast they clean things up. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwK9ZstaMAAiI_D?format=jpg&name=900x900 Maybe because it's all fake? There is ABSOLUTELY ZERO footage about this war in the media.  SCNR. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:13:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: If that were the case you would never see the video. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:14:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Several battalions! The latest announcement of several hundred Storm Shadow and long range drones, now France sending battalions worth of armored vehicles. This is the quantity size UA needs, not 8 here and 6 there. Way to go France.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0830-2817286.jpg France has about 250 of these that are being phased out in favor of a new vehicle. The question is, are they going to take them from current units before the replacement is ready? 2030 was the estimated completion timeframe. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:18:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: I don't want to derail the thread too much, but how one defines left vs right is kind of subjective. Some have defined it as small vs big government, others have defined it as valuing tradition and hierarchy vs valuing progress and equality, etc. The latter applies more so to Europe, where the right's origins are with those who wanted to uphold the monarchy during the French Revolution. Due to the somewhat subjective nature of it all, I'm kind of at the point where I don't care about left vs right. At this point, I just care about authoritarianism vs liberty. Plus, the American right's response to the Russo-Ukrainian war and a few other subjects have caused me to reexamine my beliefs a bit. It hasn't for me. It does make me think that more of the Right is stupid than I thought, though. It's mainly the national populists who went for this crap and neither nationalism or populism are really Rightist. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:19:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: It is strange, but multiple sources on Twitter and other sites are saying that these areas are well known and old and had old munitions for many years. For the Russians, they have a hard time hitting Ukrainian military infrastructure but these Soviet era sites can be reliably targeted in order to create huge explosions for the Russian propaganda machine. I imagine these videos are all over GD and someone invariably claims it was billions of U.S. aid going up in smoke. But that is really unlikely. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By xd675: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwG2lzSWcAI-qeB?format=jpg&name=900x900
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Ukraine knows what was blown up. They know exactly what was there Well, yeah, but from what can be known in the public sources is that it is an old Soviet style ammo and aviation gas storage site that has been well known for years. I wouldn't put anything new or useful there during a wartime situation. This is similar to the attack last week that turned out to be an expired ICBM fuel storage site. Impressive boom, but probably not the new Western weapons that the Russians want us to believe. It’s staggering to me this long in the war Russia finally hits that target. Did they run out of shopping malls and apartment buildings or did they just miss? It is strange, but multiple sources on Twitter and other sites are saying that these areas are well known and old and had old munitions for many years. For the Russians, they have a hard time hitting Ukrainian military infrastructure but these Soviet era sites can be reliably targeted in order to create huge explosions for the Russian propaganda machine. I imagine these videos are all over GD and someone invariably claims it was billions of U.S. aid going up in smoke. But that is really unlikely. That happened right away in GD. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:22:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:24:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: p3590]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: France has about 250 of these that are being phased out in favor of a new vehicle. The question is, are they going to take them from current units before the replacement is ready? 2030 was the estimated completion timeframe. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Several battalions! The latest announcement of several hundred Storm Shadow and long range drones, now France sending battalions worth of armored vehicles. This is the quantity size UA needs, not 8 here and 6 there. Way to go France.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0830-2817286.jpg France has about 250 of these that are being phased out in favor of a new vehicle. The question is, are they going to take them from current units before the replacement is ready? 2030 was the estimated completion timeframe. Does anything else in Ukraine use 105x527mm or is this sort of an orphan ammunition type to supply? |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:26:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: This is a before and after picture. It amazes me how fast they clean things up. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwK9ZstaMAAiI_D?format=jpg&name=900x900 Ukrainians be like: 
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:30:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: Could this be true?? Calling BS for now.
It’s the new narrative from Moscow. They want us to think DU penetrators “explode”. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:37:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p3590: Thos AMX-10RCs look like thirst traps desperate to get drilled for Kontakt-1 blocks... Does anything else in Ukraine use 105x527mm or is this sort of an orphan ammunition type to supply? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p3590: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Several battalions! The latest announcement of several hundred Storm Shadow and long range drones, now France sending battalions worth of armored vehicles. This is the quantity size UA needs, not 8 here and 6 there. Way to go France.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0830-2817286.jpg France has about 250 of these that are being phased out in favor of a new vehicle. The question is, are they going to take them from current units before the replacement is ready? 2030 was the estimated completion timeframe. Does anything else in Ukraine use 105x527mm or is this sort of an orphan ammunition type to supply? No. It's a bastard. The NATO standard is 105x617, which is what they'll use in the Leopard 1A5s when they arrive. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:38:00 AM EDT
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Just pay attention to how Russian propaganda uses fear.
Rusnia is trying to dispel a new fake that a stockpile of depleted uranium for tanks was blown up in Khmelnytsk and that due to this, radiation increased. And they give a picture with an increase in gamma radiation... However, the truth is that the rocket attack on Khmelnytsk was carried out at night from May 12 to May 13, and the increase in radiation has been observed since the afternoon of May 12 and is related to the increase in solar activity, which was warned about last week.   |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:40:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p3590: Thos AMX-10RCs look like thirst traps desperate to get drilled for Kontakt-1 blocks... Does anything else in Ukraine use 105x527mm or is this sort of an orphan ammunition type to supply? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p3590: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Several battalions! The latest announcement of several hundred Storm Shadow and long range drones, now France sending battalions worth of armored vehicles. This is the quantity size UA needs, not 8 here and 6 there. Way to go France.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0830-2817286.jpg France has about 250 of these that are being phased out in favor of a new vehicle. The question is, are they going to take them from current units before the replacement is ready? 2030 was the estimated completion timeframe. Does anything else in Ukraine use 105x527mm or is this sort of an orphan ammunition type to supply? Nope, only used by the AMX-10 main guns. Is there any other gun using this ammo? Found nothing. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:40:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p3590: Thos AMX-10RCs look like thirst traps desperate to get drilled for Kontakt-1 blocks... Does anything else in Ukraine use 105x527mm or is this sort of an orphan ammunition type to supply? |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:40:27 AM EDT
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Luhansk missile wreckage, it's official Storm Shadow.
  
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:42:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: This is a before and after picture. It amazes me how fast they clean things up. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwK9ZstaMAAiI_D?format=jpg&name=900x900 Skeptical. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:54:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p3590: Thos AMX-10RCs look like thirst traps desperate to get drilled for Kontakt-1 blocks... Does anything else in Ukraine use 105x527mm or is this sort of an orphan ammunition type to supply? Nope, not only in Ukraine but in the world . It's a proprietary ammunition only made by Nexter and only fired by the AMX-10 RC.
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Posted: 5/15/2023 10:54:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Skeptical. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By lorazepam: This is a before and after picture. It amazes me how fast they clean things up. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwK9ZstaMAAiI_D?format=jpg&name=900x900 Skeptical. Me too. I want to believe but I also see nothing in those pictures to indicate it’s even the same street. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:01:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: There is more anti-american hate and rhetoric on this board than most others. It's getting bad, idk if it's idiots falling for stupid conspiracy shit or actual folks here with the goal in mind to instill that rhetoric...but I've been here for a very long time and I never ever imagined I'd see this place like it is now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Which I believe were developed with the efforts of the Soviet Union and other communists. Just another way their IO have proven very successful. It seems to be one of the few things they do well. Once Russia is tapped out and can't afford disinformation like they could two years ago, watch what random ideas and organizations suddenly blink out of existence. Exactly! China will fill the void. Hell they've been coordinating a lot of their propaganda BS for years anyway. There was a hilarious thread here a few weeks back in which the OP argued that the US government is more corrupt than the Chinese government. The really sad thing was that in the poll, about half of the respondents said that the US government is equally or more corrupt... This place is doing its best to embody idiocracy. There is more anti-american hate and rhetoric on this board than most others. It's getting bad, idk if it's idiots falling for stupid conspiracy shit or actual folks here with the goal in mind to instill that rhetoric...but I've been here for a very long time and I never ever imagined I'd see this place like it is now. It's mutated from a hate/distrust of government to one of America at large, even if they won't admit it. It would be very interesting, and I suspect disappointing, to see the results of a thread with a poll, "Is America A Force For Good In The World?" |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:07:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Media from an explosion in 2010 "The remains of the car are not on the territory of the enterprise, which is surrounded by two rows of barbed wire" and "Unit A-3013 has nearby warehouses with aviation ammunition. The case is being investigated. It is only known that the ammunition warehouse has been operating since the Great Patriotic War. And in the 1990s, surface-to-surface missiles were found just in a ditch near the Gruzevit warehouses." The depot originally stored munitions for the 85th fighter regiment. When the cold war ended the nuclear silos and infrastructure from the 19th Rocket Division of the 43rd Rocket Army where dismantled the rocket fuel has been stored at the aviation munition depot waiting to be sent to Pavlohrad but has never been moved.
Just in case someone is worried about the supply or rifle ammo from the region drying up.     |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:10:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:15:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, I know you were. You wouldn't believe the requests for such a cheap item though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, in all fairness, if you ask us to make a cheap drone with no shielding against electronic warfare and commercial control and video systems, I'm sure we could come up with something competitive with commercial off the shelf parts. The West is just quieter about our offerings. https://aerialx.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/B3-G-scaled-400x300.jpg Counter drone system https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_6X5Is916II like the Altus-600 because of the range and AI features, it can be a jamming system, an kamikaze drone, or other aid depending on the cost you want to spend for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs0rNxs7SvEGet the whole package, how much do you want it to hurt? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWjj9e0Qq6gI was just being a smartass. lol, I know you were. You wouldn't believe the requests for such a cheap item though. The problem with wanting a cheap drone to do things with is one of scale. You have to design it to use components that are available in sizeable quantities. You also have to design the airframe to be produced like M&Ms. And, you have to have the facilities and manpower to create an assembly line capable of doing all that in today's environment. Tough problem to try to solve. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:16:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woozman: Me too. I want to believe but I also see nothing in those pictures to indicate it's even the same street. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woozman: Originally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By lorazepam: This is a before and after picture. It amazes me how fast they clean things up. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwK9ZstaMAAiI_D?format=jpg&name=900x900 Skeptical. Me too. I want to believe but I also see nothing in those pictures to indicate it's even the same street. The Great Cleanup of Kyiv This article is almost a year old. It's not surprising they may have done more work in that year. There was a ton of UXO on that street. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:17:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
I’d be addicted to storm shadow as well. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:19:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Having used APKWS I absolutely do not believe those claims in the slightest. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:27:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
This is an indicator of things to come is guess. The MOD seems to be the first to break the ice on a lot of new military aid categories. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:29:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: This is a before and after picture. It amazes me how fast they clean things up. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwK9ZstaMAAiI_D?format=jpg&name=900x900 that is good to see. Gives one hope for the future. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:30:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: The problem with wanting a cheap drone to do things with is one of scale. You have to design it to use components that are available in sizeable quantities. You also have to design the airframe to be produced like M&Ms. And, you have to have the facilities and manpower to create an assembly line capable of doing all that in today's environment. Tough problem to try to solve. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, in all fairness, if you ask us to make a cheap drone with no shielding against electronic warfare and commercial control and video systems, I'm sure we could come up with something competitive with commercial off the shelf parts. The West is just quieter about our offerings. https://aerialx.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/B3-G-scaled-400x300.jpg Counter drone system https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_6X5Is916II like the Altus-600 because of the range and AI features, it can be a jamming system, an kamikaze drone, or other aid depending on the cost you want to spend for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs0rNxs7SvEGet the whole package, how much do you want it to hurt? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWjj9e0Qq6gI was just being a smartass. lol, I know you were. You wouldn't believe the requests for such a cheap item though. The problem with wanting a cheap drone to do things with is one of scale. You have to design it to use components that are available in sizeable quantities. You also have to design the airframe to be produced like M&Ms. And, you have to have the facilities and manpower to create an assembly line capable of doing all that in today's environment. Tough problem to try to solve. You are correct on all counts, it's an interesting set of problems to try and solve though for any company wanting to get into that game. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:31:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:33:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DASJUDEN: Having used APKWS I absolutely do not believe those claims in the slightest. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DASJUDEN: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Having used APKWS I absolutely do not believe those claims in the slightest. Were you using it against drones of the size and speed like the article or did you guys use it against different targets? |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:34:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woozman: Me too. I want to believe but I also see nothing in those pictures to indicate it’s even the same street. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woozman: Originally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By lorazepam: This is a before and after picture. It amazes me how fast they clean things up. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwK9ZstaMAAiI_D?format=jpg&name=900x900 Skeptical. Me too. I want to believe but I also see nothing in those pictures to indicate it’s even the same street. I would say that you are what is commonly called blind. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:36:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: That cheap reactor sure is a great deal. The vendor will be destitute and an international pariah for decades, all hopes of leadership in EU is burnt to the ground, and the staunchest ally shits on the embassy table. But we save so much money!!! Re-read the bolder text. 1956. Russia. It is astounding to not see the choice: money or friends and dependence with a former invader. Orban freaks out over hurts from Ukraine but somehow is totally OK with Russia. The rest of the world sees it plainly. If money is the only factor that matters then Hungary has made its bed. Putin is going down by the time this war is over. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Jozsi: https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/12/30/they-thought-we-are-cave-people-stereotypes-ukrainian-refugees-face-in-europe/ I never ever nor did my SO and my SOs relatives had these pre conceptions about Ukranians in general. Every single refugee here in Hungary has assimilated and integrated far faster than the normal cesspool 3rd world bottom feeders. Daughter unit and my buddies families children integrated well with watching Supernatural, playing PS5 games and playing outside. The kids are kinda passing me off a bit because they are already speaking much better Hungarian than myself sometimes. Their vocabulary has been spectacular amd far reaching. My buddies wife is already close to opening up her own beauty salon and my wife unit is gonna help her with the cafe shop part one block from my house in Kőbánya Budapest. Overall, Ukraine belongs to the west and there is a reason why Putler and the Orcs want it so bad. The other article talking about Poland and Hungary, I don't agree with it because Poland offered Hungary Westinghouse Nuclear technology but that was costly and it doesn't sadly beat the zero interest loan and terms from RusAtom. Also the PaksII is already partially built. The problem with the PaksII reactor is that those fucken Orcs figured it out on making their shit nuke stuff not workable with western tech. In the end, work with Hungary on a good nuke power deal that is favorable and Orban will dump the Orcs like a hot burgonya. That cheap reactor sure is a great deal. The vendor will be destitute and an international pariah for decades, all hopes of leadership in EU is burnt to the ground, and the staunchest ally shits on the embassy table. But we save so much money!!! Re-read the bolder text. 1956. Russia. It is astounding to not see the choice: money or friends and dependence with a former invader. Orban freaks out over hurts from Ukraine but somehow is totally OK with Russia. The rest of the world sees it plainly. If money is the only factor that matters then Hungary has made its bed. Putin is going down by the time this war is over. Orban is corrupt and I think that explains more than this nuclear stuff. Some of his conservative programs seem structured to enrich him and his friends and I'm sure he has no problem taking Russian money, too. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:36:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Just in case someone is worried about the supply or rifle ammo from the region drying up. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwLUL8VWAAAVr6u?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwLUMSYWIAAs8_G?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwLUMn2XgAMTeAV?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwLUM5EWAAIyJub?format=jpg&name=large Man, nice follow up today on a bunch of stuff. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:38:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: It's mutated from a hate/distrust of government to one of America at large, even if they won't admit it. It would be very interesting, and I suspect disappointing, to see the results of a thread with a poll, "Is America A Force For Good In The World?" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Which I believe were developed with the efforts of the Soviet Union and other communists. Just another way their IO have proven very successful. It seems to be one of the few things they do well. Once Russia is tapped out and can't afford disinformation like they could two years ago, watch what random ideas and organizations suddenly blink out of existence. Exactly! China will fill the void. Hell they've been coordinating a lot of their propaganda BS for years anyway. There was a hilarious thread here a few weeks back in which the OP argued that the US government is more corrupt than the Chinese government. The really sad thing was that in the poll, about half of the respondents said that the US government is equally or more corrupt... This place is doing its best to embody idiocracy. There is more anti-american hate and rhetoric on this board than most others. It's getting bad, idk if it's idiots falling for stupid conspiracy shit or actual folks here with the goal in mind to instill that rhetoric...but I've been here for a very long time and I never ever imagined I'd see this place like it is now. It's mutated from a hate/distrust of government to one of America at large, even if they won't admit it. It would be very interesting, and I suspect disappointing, to see the results of a thread with a poll, "Is America A Force For Good In The World?" I could type out 6 paragraphs on the subject, but in short, the soft target demographic that has historically always been preyed upon are the “down on their luck” gang in need of a boogeyman, and on this site, business is booming. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:39:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Man, nice follow up today on a bunch of stuff. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Just in case someone is worried about the supply or rifle ammo from the region drying up. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwLUL8VWAAAVr6u?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwLUMSYWIAAs8_G?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwLUMn2XgAMTeAV?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwLUM5EWAAIyJub?format=jpg&name=large Man, nice follow up today on a bunch of stuff. Thanks! There is definitely a pattern trending with these old weapon sites and Russian disinformation the past few weeks. I see it's pretty effective unfortunately. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:43:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: No. It's a bastard. The NATO standard is 105x617, which is what they'll use in the Leopard 1A5s when they arrive. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By p3590: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Several battalions! The latest announcement of several hundred Storm Shadow and long range drones, now France sending battalions worth of armored vehicles. This is the quantity size UA needs, not 8 here and 6 there. Way to go France.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0830-2817286.jpg France has about 250 of these that are being phased out in favor of a new vehicle. The question is, are they going to take them from current units before the replacement is ready? 2030 was the estimated completion timeframe. Does anything else in Ukraine use 105x527mm or is this sort of an orphan ammunition type to supply? No. It's a bastard. The NATO standard is 105x617, which is what they'll use in the Leopard 1A5s when they arrive. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:47:11 AM EDT
[#39]
Some lite reading on Russian artillery production.
For the record, RAND corporation has been so wrong on so many subjects relating to defense industry, so some discretion, but it's amusing none the less. Wiki: https://twitter.com/secretsqrl123/status/1658117642610253825 Uraltransmash (Russian: Уральский завод транспортного машиностроения) is a company based in Yekaterinburg, Russia. Currently it is a subsidiary of Uralvagonzavod.[1] Uraltransmash is Russia's primary producer of self-propelled artillery. Uraltransmash also produces oil drilling rigs and some other civil products.[2] In a 2019 research paper, RAND Corporation assessed the company as being "among the worst run enterprises in the Russian defense industry".[3] |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:49:05 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Skeptical. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By lorazepam: This is a before and after picture. It amazes me how fast they clean things up. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwK9ZstaMAAiI_D?format=jpg&name=900x900 Skeptical.  There's plenty of videos and photos of repairs being made. A cruise missile cratered a street, and destroyed a large water main within a kilometer of here. Our water was back on within 24 hours. No one's sitting on their ass. Life goes on. A picture is not the same as being there. There are probably holes and a lot of damage the camera doesn't catch. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:49:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:50:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Dracster]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p3590: I thought it was pretty much a bastard, though wasn't sure if there some other platform that used it. If they survive long enough to burn up the ammunition the French send, I guess the Ukrainians will mount something else on them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p3590: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By p3590: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Several battalions! The latest announcement of several hundred Storm Shadow and long range drones, now France sending battalions worth of armored vehicles. This is the quantity size UA needs, not 8 here and 6 there. Way to go France.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0830-2817286.jpg France has about 250 of these that are being phased out in favor of a new vehicle. The question is, are they going to take them from current units before the replacement is ready? 2030 was the estimated completion timeframe. Does anything else in Ukraine use 105x527mm or is this sort of an orphan ammunition type to supply? No. It's a bastard. The NATO standard is 105x617, which is what they'll use in the Leopard 1A5s when they arrive. Morocco still has about 100 in service so there will be ammo production for a while. France can probably supply Ukraine as much as they can handle. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:57:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: m24shooter]
[#43]
Nazis in Ukraine! Look at them goosestepping! 
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:58:20 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: I could type out 6 paragraphs on the subject, but in short, the soft target demographic that has historically always been preyed upon are the “down on their luck” gang in need of a boogeyman, and on this site, business is booming. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Which I believe were developed with the efforts of the Soviet Union and other communists. Just another way their IO have proven very successful. It seems to be one of the few things they do well. Once Russia is tapped out and can't afford disinformation like they could two years ago, watch what random ideas and organizations suddenly blink out of existence. Exactly! China will fill the void. Hell they've been coordinating a lot of their propaganda BS for years anyway. There was a hilarious thread here a few weeks back in which the OP argued that the US government is more corrupt than the Chinese government. The really sad thing was that in the poll, about half of the respondents said that the US government is equally or more corrupt... This place is doing its best to embody idiocracy. There is more anti-american hate and rhetoric on this board than most others. It's getting bad, idk if it's idiots falling for stupid conspiracy shit or actual folks here with the goal in mind to instill that rhetoric...but I've been here for a very long time and I never ever imagined I'd see this place like it is now. It's mutated from a hate/distrust of government to one of America at large, even if they won't admit it. It would be very interesting, and I suspect disappointing, to see the results of a thread with a poll, "Is America A Force For Good In The World?" I could type out 6 paragraphs on the subject, but in short, the soft target demographic that has historically always been preyed upon are the “down on their luck” gang in need of a boogeyman, and on this site, business is booming. Yes. Disaffected "victim" groups are prime to be leveraged. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 11:59:36 AM EDT
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This is truly sad.
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Posted: 5/15/2023 12:01:00 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Lets hope the already have and they are targeting the next wave of ships, subs and bombers. What could be better than hearing multiple ships joining multiple aircraft at the bottom of the Black sea? |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 12:03:33 PM EDT
[#47]
More prisoners.
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Posted: 5/15/2023 12:03:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam:
That looks like one of those brew ups where literally every major panel is separated and spread over a large area. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2023 12:04:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: You are correct on all counts, it's an interesting set of problems to try and solve though for any company wanting to get into that game. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, in all fairness, if you ask us to make a cheap drone with no shielding against electronic warfare and commercial control and video systems, I'm sure we could come up with something competitive with commercial off the shelf parts. The West is just quieter about our offerings. https://aerialx.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/B3-G-scaled-400x300.jpg Counter drone system https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_6X5Is916II like the Altus-600 because of the range and AI features, it can be a jamming system, an kamikaze drone, or other aid depending on the cost you want to spend for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs0rNxs7SvEGet the whole package, how much do you want it to hurt? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWjj9e0Qq6gI was just being a smartass. lol, I know you were. You wouldn't believe the requests for such a cheap item though. The problem with wanting a cheap drone to do things with is one of scale. You have to design it to use components that are available in sizeable quantities. You also have to design the airframe to be produced like M&Ms. And, you have to have the facilities and manpower to create an assembly line capable of doing all that in today's environment. Tough problem to try to solve. You are correct on all counts, it's an interesting set of problems to try and solve though for any company wanting to get into that game. Sounds like a job for Henry Ford and Vertical Integration henry-ford-can-still-teach-us-a-thing-or-two-about-business ...Lastly, vertical integration the way Ford envisioned it — with a giant company owning the production of all the materials in its supply chain to ensure availability and reliability — has long dissipated in favor of a focus on corporate core competencies, where companies outsource everything else to global business partners. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 12:04:16 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Valiant1: I hope so, but it might just be a rumor. I hope so too, but it doesn’t matter, he endowed a whole bunch of NGO’s with most of his fortune to carry on his vendetta against the West. But I do hope he is in Hell now. |
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