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Posted: 10/2/2023 4:39:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Yes, there are many anti-Ukraine threads being started in GD. You guys confine yourself in here. There is nothing in the CoC that prevents them from starting new threads and there's nothing that prevents you from starting additional pro-Ukraine threads. That's not trolling. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Do you see pro-ukraine threads posted daily in GD that is obvious attempt at trolling or to call out the ruskie-bros...or do you see a lot of "fuck Ukraine" posts made daily that ALL have members calling out uke-bros? I see a huge difference, I'm not talking about the accusations that are made .I'm talking about what's is actually happening, and I guess allowed to happen. Yes, there are many anti-Ukraine threads being started in GD. You guys confine yourself in here. There is nothing in the CoC that prevents them from starting new threads and there's nothing that prevents you from starting additional pro-Ukraine threads. That's not trolling. It's cool, I guess you are not seeing what I'm trying to portray, as obvious call out troll posts for at least to me nefarious reasons. But I'm dropping it. All good in the hood. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 4:41:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: No, I'm not screaming anything. I'm stating the obvious. The heavy trolling against the supporters of Ukraine here isn't a secret, is it? Edited: you seem like you took my comment personal, or did you over exaggerate your response to me to make a general point? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Yet hardly any effort by the site to weed them out. You're screaming that we don't throw them out, therefore the site admins suck. They scream about us not throwing you out, therefore the site admins suck.  No, I'm not screaming anything. I'm stating the obvious. The heavy trolling against the supporters of Ukraine here isn't a secret, is it? Edited: you seem like you took my comment personal, or did you over exaggerate your response to me to make a general point? I agree. I’m trying to be pragmatic/realistic as best i can but it doesn’t exactly appear equal or organic. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 4:42:03 PM EDT
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Quote History AROKIE: All good in the hood. 
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Posted: 10/2/2023 4:42:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted  By Zhukov:Yes, there are many anti-Ukraine threads being started in GD. You guys confine yourself in here. There is nothing in the CoC that prevents them from starting new threads and there's nothing that prevents you from starting additional pro-Ukraine threads. That's not trolling. Please no
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Posted: 10/2/2023 4:42:47 PM EDT
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What did our command teach in the academies?
Fears of a landing in Crimea really force us to plan the distribution of reserves in this direction. The habit is to be on the defensive; awareness of the inability to control and interact with the troops of the Dnepr group makes one fear even a few boats in the Crimea. We will lose for one simple reason. All the commanders were killed in the first months of the war. ✏️ @ieZekiil_9 2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣ https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1125 |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 4:44:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Posting HELO porn because it is on the same continent as Ukraine. Might be relevant? Czechia is selling rifles to Ukraine so https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_4081-2974490.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_4083-2974491.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_4082-2974492.jpg [/q uote]I don't know if she is doing it the proper way but I like it. Agree. When I worked a commercial flight line we never learned that marshaling technique. But would not ignore aesthetic innovation. 😁 |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 4:45:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ServusVeritatis]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Do you see pro-ukraine threads posted daily in GD that is obvious attempt at trolling or to call out the ruskie-bros...or do you see a lot of "fuck Ukraine" posts made daily that ALL have members calling out uke-bros? I see a huge difference, I'm not talking about the accusations that are made .I'm talking about what's is actually happening, and I guess allowed to happen. Or I guess I should just be cool with it I guess, and I'm just seeing something that you are not or anyone else is seeing Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By AROKIE: No, I'm not screaming anything. I'm stating the obvious. The heavy trolling against the supporters of Ukraine here isn't a secret, is it? Edited: you seem like you took my comment personal, or did you over exaggerate your response to me to make a general point? If you haven't noticed, the anti-Ukraine side levels the same charge against the people in this thread, ie. "the pro-Ukraine side is getting away with murder/trolling/etc." Do you see pro-ukraine threads posted daily in GD that is obvious attempt at trolling or to call out the ruskie-bros...or do you see a lot of "fuck Ukraine" posts made daily that ALL have members calling out uke-bros? I see a huge difference, I'm not talking about the accusations that are made .I'm talking about what's is actually happening, and I guess allowed to happen. Or I guess I should just be cool with it I guess, and I'm just seeing something that you are not or anyone else is seeing Many of those accounts are heavy non-member, new, or “suddenly active again” accounts that have been dormant. You have the long time Q-posters (fact) that are the loudest but it does seem there is a large amount of suspicious accounts that egg them on/cheer/instigate or simply link a “news” story (lol) for them….much heavier and widespread than the Ukebros. Wonder if an attempt has been made to quantify the types of accounts you guys are seeing this behavior from. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 4:46:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: If you haven't noticed, the anti-Ukraine side levels the same charge against the people in this thread, ie. "the pro-Ukraine side is getting away with murder/trolling/etc." And in some cases its certainly true. In some cases its just a tantrum for "how dare you disagree with me?!" Or even "How dare you express skepticism?" The "Government stopped Tucker from interviewing Putin!" thread is a pretty good example. Holy shit, the amount of emotion-fueled irrational responses I got from a couple of people for asking basic, relevant, and perfectly reasonable who, what, where, when, why questions was unreal. Apparently, I'm some kind of Federal agent now.  I want to believe that people are generally mature enough to handle disagreement or skepticism. I want to believe that I don't need to stop expressing my opinion because I don't think people have the emotional intelligence to handle it if it differs from their own opinions. Maybe that's my fault. Breaking my own rule about wishful thinking, I mean. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 4:47:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Many of those accounts are heavy non-member, new, or “suddenly active again” accounts that have been dormant. You have the long time Q-posters (fact) that are the loudest but it does seem there are some shadowy accounts that egg them on/cheer/instagate for them….much heavier and widespread than the Ukebros. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By AROKIE: No, I'm not screaming anything. I'm stating the obvious. The heavy trolling against the supporters of Ukraine here isn't a secret, is it? Edited: you seem like you took my comment personal, or did you over exaggerate your response to me to make a general point? If you haven't noticed, the anti-Ukraine side levels the same charge against the people in this thread, ie. "the pro-Ukraine side is getting away with murder/trolling/etc." Do you see pro-ukraine threads posted daily in GD that is obvious attempt at trolling or to call out the ruskie-bros...or do you see a lot of "fuck Ukraine" posts made daily that ALL have members calling out uke-bros? I see a huge difference, I'm not talking about the accusations that are made .I'm talking about what's is actually happening, and I guess allowed to happen. Or I guess I should just be cool with it I guess, and I'm just seeing something that you are not or anyone else is seeing Many of those accounts are heavy non-member, new, or “suddenly active again” accounts that have been dormant. You have the long time Q-posters (fact) that are the loudest but it does seem there are some shadowy accounts that egg them on/cheer/instagate for them….much heavier and widespread than the Ukebros. Ya basically what I was trying to say. But anyways let's get back to the war. Lol. Not going to get anywhere with keeping this conversation going. It was DOA.. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 4:48:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: You're screaming that we don't throw them out, therefore the site admins suck. They scream about us not throwing you out, therefore the site admins suck. Embrace the suck? You guys put up with a lot for not being paid. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 4:49:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Please no Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By Zhukov:Yes, there are many anti-Ukraine threads being started in GD. You guys confine yourself in here. There is nothing in the CoC that prevents them from starting new threads and there's nothing that prevents you from starting additional pro-Ukraine threads. That's not trolling. Please no So can we make a new thread with each post we do here? Post once and then let the hate flow? I barely have time to pop in and out of here to keep up to date. But being OP of 20 threads a day…is there a pay increase for that? |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 4:57:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ukraine-soldiers-surrender-to-russia/
Fact Check: Thousands of Ukrainian Soldiers Surrendered to Russia in Early October 2023? |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 4:57:35 PM EDT
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It’s easier for me to approach a complex topic from a distance, because some things are easy to understand, but there’s almost no way to explain them.
For both Chechens, no one ever thought of blurting out that we are “one people.” At the same time, we perfectly understood what we were fighting against and for; there were no problems with motivation. And veterans of those wars are now seriously upset about the choice of the “cultural capital of Russia” in the form of Grozny. Or here's another story that we'll have to remember. In the village next door to us lived Uncle Vova and Aunt Lena (they were about thirty at the time, but for me they were already old uncles and aunts). And they had a friend - Uncle Sasha, with whom they drank, went outdoors and generally declared that they were like one family. Then Uncle Vova found Uncle Sasha fucking Aunt Lena, after which one family immediately split into three. Well, now to the main thing. I had not been to Ukraine before the SVO, and therefore at that time I could still hear talk about “one people.” But now this homogeneity for me (and not only for me) only causes a feeling of rejection. Have you even seen pictures of historical Ukrainians? Blue-eyed and fair-haired are not there, if anyone doesn’t know. They even have a city - Cherkasy, which directly refers to the Circassians. Look at their village houses - they DO NOT have wooden log houses, their houses are made according to the Turkic example, where straw is mixed with clay. They call matches in the Chechen manner - sirniki. They have Slavic - only our lands. Well, I don’t know, but there are Tatars, Dagestanis, and Yakuts in Russia. We do not include them in the “Slavic brothers”. But the “Ukrainians” don’t fit into these Slavic brothers and “one people” at all either. And I personally don’t see anything wrong with stating the obvious, although in our country they almost hint at articles for extremism for this. What kind of extremism, in what way? Is it that for me a Chechen or a Ukrainian is not “one people”? I understand that a military man doesn’t need to get involved in such issues, but I’m also Russian - I’m sorry that this happened. And I am Russian by spirit and birth, and not by position. This is probably why I feel so nauseous from trying to blur what is Russian into something incomprehensible. Otherwise, we are already in a hurry to register both the janitor Dzhamshut and the asshole Lazerson as Russians. I am not against them - if people work for the good of Russia, then I am always for it, but there is no need to kill what is truly Russian, what is in us, what is ours. I feel in my gut that something very wrong is happening, but I can’t formulate this “wrong.” But I can be forgiven - my title and position allow me to be stupid in many matters. But time is ticking, and over the years I somehow got tired of giving beautiful Russia to the Chechens, Ukrainians, Tajiks and other nationalities. If I survive in this hell now, I will soon become old. And yes - I really want Russia to start thinking about Russians in spirit and birth in the same way as we are now fussing about the rights of “professional Russians” and various micro-indigenous peoples. I’m not against their rights, but not to the detriment of the Russians. Well, stop classifying everyone as “one people”. https://t.me/shouvalov/120 The early autumn rains will add problems to ourselves, but along with them the enemy offensive will stop. Future trends can begin to be considered now; there are no big military secrets here. Firstly, the enemy has already indicated his main interest in the form of attacks on our logistics and headquarters. Without counter-battery combat we cannot respond symmetrically, but we still need to come up with an asymmetrical response first. Secondly, our attacks will shift from the front line to the enemy’s rear in order to undermine and finish off his infrastructure. The ideal option is to plunge as many large cities as possible into darkness and cold by winter, so that the enemy forces think more about how to save their civilians, and not about war with us. The disadvantages are also obvious: never before has the pure Douay doctrine given the desired effect. In addition, megacities freezing after shelling of infrastructure are a breeding ground for potential migrants, and it would be more profitable for Europe to dump mountains of weapons into Kyiv than to deal with refugees. So this is a double-edged sword. In addition, the enemy has already indicated his interest in such attacks on our infrastructure. They have much more opportunities, but we have so much to cover that even without a big mess it would be difficult to do this. In general, many people have a very hot cold ahead, and Russia may experience a real military winter for the first time since the Second World War. Thirdly, our logistics have not gotten any better. At the start of the SVO, we spent about a year conveniently building logistics, digging in on our territory and biding our time. Now, no one has fully resolved the issue of bald tires, the visibility of logistics routes is simply incredible, but telling everything would be at least incorrect. I understand what a cretin I now look like, but I still continue to believe that one of the mercenaries, having accidentally received an honest report, will uncover the reserves of the treasured equipment in order to avoid completely dire situations. There is never too much equipment on the front, but we have a very acute shortage. Fourthly, we are expecting an influx of conscripts who want to sign a contract. It’s cynical and ugly, but with the right approach from commanders, getting eighteen-year-olds to do this is not the hardest work. I’ll console everyone in advance: the war has come to us for years, we won’t be able to escape from it anyway, so what’s the point in delaying it? Fifth, there is a FPV drone war going on right now. And if anyone doesn’t know, this is a more than deadly weapon. Fogs and rains should greatly reduce this activity, which I still can’t get used to. Unfortunately, there are some scary moments. And there is a risk that bad weather, to put it mildly, will not have time to help with very difficult decisions. We are holding on here against all odds, on flayed fingers and flesh. But we hold on. Therefore, I will repeat an unpleasant thing: if bad news does arrive, then do not rush to scold the fighters. Something like this https://t.me/shouvalov/121 |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 4:57:45 PM EDT
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Who wants to be a Russian mortar man? 😂
Video not safe to watch if you like weapons clean and cared for. 
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Posted: 10/2/2023 4:59:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ServusVeritatis]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ukraine-soldiers-surrender-to-russia/ Fact Check: Thousands of Ukrainian Soldiers Surrendered to Russia in Early October 2023? Quoting snopes doesn’t help anyone….even if it’s obviously false. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 5:00:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Who wants to be a Russian mortar man? 😂 Video not safe to watch if you like weapons clean and cared for. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_4084-2974525.jpg “Thank you North Korea!” |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 5:00:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Soooo... A-10's for Ukraine? 
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Posted: 10/2/2023 5:12:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Soooo... A-10's for Ukraine? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Soooo... A-10's for Ukraine? lol, that would have been cool, but F-16's apparently for now. Because the Russian aircraft have to get relatively close to lob bombs, even glide bombs and that could then put them in AIM-120 range. If the Russians fly higher and try to drop the bombs from further away, they could more readily be hit by long range air defenses as well. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 5:12:53 PM EDT
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Regarding Oxford area UK.
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Posted: 10/2/2023 5:14:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Some interesting items. Pubs closing, Europe finding other sources of gas.
Always Do Your Own Research. 👉 🇸🇮 Robert Fico, who won the parliamentary elections in Slovakia, was appointed Prime Minister of the country 👉 〽️ Military conscription started today, the situation at the military commissariat of the Moskovsky district of St. Petersburg, hundreds of young guys have already received summonses in half a day 👉 🏫 The “image of the new world” will be presented at the Valdai Presidential Club Experts from the Valdai Discussion Club have prepared an analytical report for the meeting, which will present an image of the world that may emerge by the early 2030s, topics that club participants plan to discuss at the next meeting: “the role of nuclear weapons”, “food security and Russia’s contribution”, “the world economy under the influence of Russia”, “energy markets against the backdrop of military-political tension”, etc. 👉 🍦 In Russia, the fermented milk product Actimel will be produced under the name Actimuno 👉 💨 Moldova will no longer purchase gas from Gazprom, the head of the country’s Ministry of Energy said. Chisinau managed to purchase gas on the European market and even cheaper than in Russia. He said that the country would not like to build such unreliable relations in terms of prices and recalculation. 👉 The number of requirements for more than 20 categories of persons when admitting them to Russian citizenship is being reduced . For example, this will affect former compatriots (in particular, we are talking about citizens of the USSR and their children participating in the corresponding state program). Foreigners who have entered into a contract for military service in the RF Armed Forces for a period of at least one year will also be able to obtain citizenship in a simplified manner. In addition, the list of crimes for which the acquired citizenship may be terminated has increased. Among them are desertion, discrediting the Russian Armed Forces and calls for extremism. 👉 “ Every fourth point selling beer has closed in Russia in three years ” - RIA Novosti with reference to the study 👉 The Groningen gas field brought hundreds of billions of euros into the Dutch treasury, but burdened local residents with constant earthquakes. Continuation of production could cover the gas deficit in the EU, Bloomberg noted. In the Netherlands, on the morning of October 1, production was stopped at the Groningen gas field, which is considered the largest in the European Union, De Telegraaf reports. 👉 The Russian authorities plan to spend more than 651 billion rubles over three years on the restoration of cities destroyed during the war. PS. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 5:17:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: The one thing I remember from my instructor development course was that the room temperature is exactly right when the men are too hot and the women are too cold. 🤷♂️ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Zhukov: You're screaming that we don't throw them out, therefore the site admins suck. They scream about us not throwing you out, therefore the site admins suck. https://i.imgflip.com/817511.jpg The one thing I remember from my instructor development course was that the room temperature is exactly right when the men are too hot and the women are too cold. 🤷♂️ Obviously those women hadn't gone through menopause! It'll be 15 degrees outside and my wife will turn the damn furnace off! I'll wake up freezing because it's 35 degrees in the house! |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 5:21:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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This is hilarious. Slovakia is 1/8th the size of Ukraine. But he aspires to be the peace broker?! Go back to making cars and let the big boys figure out war and peace.
He previously stated that Slovaks have bigger problems than Ukrainians, and now he has to form a coalition for peace talks between Ukraine and Russia. Since we are supplying F-16s to Slovakia there is no reason not to sell them to anyone. Russia and therefore China will know everything about it as upgrades are sent. Kind of surprised a small country like that has the infrastructure and logistics to support them. Supposedly it was near impossible that Ukraine could fly and maintain them. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 5:25:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Yes, there are many anti-Ukraine threads being started in GD. You guys confine yourself in here. There is nothing in the CoC that prevents them from starting new threads and there's nothing that prevents you from starting additional pro-Ukraine threads. That's not trolling. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Do you see pro-ukraine threads posted daily in GD that is obvious attempt at trolling or to call out the ruskie-bros...or do you see a lot of "fuck Ukraine" posts made daily that ALL have members calling out uke-bros? I see a huge difference, I'm not talking about the accusations that are made .I'm talking about what's is actually happening, and I guess allowed to happen. Yes, there are many anti-Ukraine threads being started in GD. You guys confine yourself in here. There is nothing in the CoC that prevents them from starting new threads and there's nothing that prevents you from starting additional pro-Ukraine threads. That's not trolling. No, but if we did, before you can say Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious there'd be a hundred "10% for the Big Guy!!!" or "U SUCK BIDENS DICK!!!!" posters shitting all over it. For the protection of our sanity, and our accounts, we're pretty. much forced to stay here where you guys have, I think, very successfully contained the putinbros shenanigans. Just my 0.02 cents and YMMV!  |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 5:33:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: And in some cases its certainly true. In some cases its just a tantrum for "how dare you disagree with me?!" Or even "How dare you express skepticism?" The "Government stopped Tucker from interviewing Putin!" thread is a pretty good example. Holy shit, the amount of emotion-fueled irrational responses I got from a couple of people for asking basic, relevant, and perfectly reasonable who, what, where, when, why questions was unreal. Apparently, I'm some kind of Federal agent now. I want to believe that people are generally mature enough to handle disagreement or skepticism. I want to believe that I don't need to stop expressing my opinion because I don't think people have the emotional intelligence to handle it if it differs from their own opinions. Maybe that's my fault. Breaking my own rule about wishful thinking, I mean. Yeah, I've been pretty disappointed since engaging more in GD the last few months... |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 5:39:56 PM EDT
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I have no idea how any of these characteristics compare to other tanks but posting to hear comments from our armor experts.
Source document
The document from April 2023 has not been published anywhere in 🇵🇱, but I found its content on the Bemil website⬇️ 1⃣Excellent mobility - received the highest score of all maneuverability categories. - Local language support (Polish) and user-frendly interface. - During startup, the parts required for startup are automatically checked and can be started simply by preheating. - The turret can be rotated using an external power supply. 2⃣ Excellent functionality for field maintenance. - Easy to replace optical device that may be damaged during battle. 3⃣ Reduced combat fatigue of K2 tank crews. - The automatic loader allows for quick loading of rounds in all conditions. - Hydropneumatic suspension reduces crew fatigue. - Excellent situational awareness on the battlefield thanks to the integrated monitors. - Easy to use coaxial rifle.. - There are no inconveniences in carrying personal weapons. - Wide viewing angle. - Capable of day and night combat during long-range operations or in bad weather. 4⃣ Hunter-killer ability, i.e. fire control system - over a generation better than Leopard , Abrams etc. Requirements for improvements according to Poles: 1⃣ The driver's hatch is small and inconveniently located. 2⃣ The location of the 12.7 mm secondary weapon on the turret is incorrect. 3⃣Unnecessary infrared radiation emission from RCWS(?) Conclusion : K2 Black Panther - rated as the best tank that ever existed ! 📸P.Szafarski Source: bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/bbs/view.… |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 5:50:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/2/2023 5:52:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/2/2023 5:53:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Posted: 10/2/2023 5:59:49 PM EDT
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Uh oh the “47 Leopard kills” is being reanimated!!!!
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ID, USA
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Posted: 10/2/2023 6:04:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Do you see pro-ukraine threads posted daily in GD that is obvious attempt at trolling or to call out the ruskie-bros...or do you see a lot of "fuck Ukraine" posts made daily that ALL have members calling out uke-bros? I see a huge difference, I'm not talking about the accusations that are made .I'm talking about what's is actually happening, and I guess allowed to happen. Or I guess I should just be cool with it I guess, and I'm just seeing something that you are not or anyone else is seeing anyone that can't see this, is not looking.............................. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 6:10:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Ukraine is winning.. By Ben Wallace https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/01/ben-wallace-ukraine-counteroffensive-succeeding/ Non paywall version courtesy of the way back machine. https://web.archive.org/web/20231002170445/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/01/ben-wallace-ukraine-counteroffensive-succeeding/ |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 6:17:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DK-Prof]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Do you see pro-ukraine threads posted daily in GD that is obvious attempt at trolling or to call out the ruskie-bros...or do you see a lot of "fuck Ukraine" posts made daily that ALL have members calling out uke-bros? I see a huge difference, I'm not talking about the accusations that are made .I'm talking about what's is actually happening, and I guess allowed to happen. Or I guess I should just be cool with it I guess, and I'm just seeing something that you are not or anyone else is seeing Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By AROKIE: No, I'm not screaming anything. I'm stating the obvious. The heavy trolling against the supporters of Ukraine here isn't a secret, is it? Edited: you seem like you took my comment personal, or did you over exaggerate your response to me to make a general point? If you haven't noticed, the anti-Ukraine side levels the same charge against the people in this thread, ie. "the pro-Ukraine side is getting away with murder/trolling/etc." Do you see pro-ukraine threads posted daily in GD that is obvious attempt at trolling or to call out the ruskie-bros...or do you see a lot of "fuck Ukraine" posts made daily that ALL have members calling out uke-bros? I see a huge difference, I'm not talking about the accusations that are made .I'm talking about what's is actually happening, and I guess allowed to happen. Or I guess I should just be cool with it I guess, and I'm just seeing something that you are not or anyone else is seeing And yet ... lots of posters who are opposed to aid/money for Ukraine are CONVINCED that the "Ukebros" are protected by the site, and that site staff and mods have clearly picked the Ukraine side, and that only the anit-Ukraine posters get warnings, bans, that the pro Ukraine posters are allowed to troll treads and personally attack them without consequences, etc. And I am not talking about drooling mouth-breathers who are regurgitating Kremlin talking points. I am talking about highly intelligent, highly educated and highly respected long-term members of this site. i understand that you are CONVINCED that your perception is objectively correct. I get that. But i am telling you that they are equally CONVINCED that their perception is objectively correct. Zhukov is right. That fact that you apparently do not want to believe him, doesn't change that fact that he is right. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 6:21:09 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: You're screaming that we don't throw them out, therefore the site admins suck. They scream about us not throwing you out, therefore the site admins suck. At least everyone agrees on one thing. < runs > |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 6:31:08 PM EDT
[#34]
Another spy snatched up.
I hope in the Ukraine justice system when they say 15 yrs if found guilty it really is 15 years. And not like the US where “15” means out on probation in 5. 
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Posted: 10/2/2023 6:33:44 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Obviously those women hadn't gone through menopause! It'll be 15 degrees outside and my wife will turn the damn furnace off! I'll wake up freezing because it's 35 degrees in the house! |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 6:34:52 PM EDT
[#36]
Eh there was a formula for a while. Post some article and then try to bait "ukebros" to comment. I haven't noticed anything recently but I think I reported one thread a week or so ago. I think one of the only threads I have ever reported here. It was just blatant trolling for a fight not actual discussion.
This whole board is polarized on so many topics now it really not super enjoyable like it used to be. We need more seven mary three and rusted ace and less of what is happening now. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 6:42:51 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Yet hardly any effort by the site to weed them out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Cypher15: Originally Posted By Jaehaerys: GD screams about how Biden supporting Ukraine means that "Ukebros" support Biden and are on the left, but the same guys will never admit that their stances on Ukraine align perfectly with how actual self-proclaimed communists view this war. The talking points about Nazis, NATO expansionism, the military industrial complex, etc. from the geniuses in GD identically mirror the far left. Yet hardly any effort by the site to weed them out. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 6:42:56 PM EDT
[#38]
Things are moving. Ships are being loaded. Planes are getting ready to fly. Congressional action is needed. We need to organize and conduct a fire mission in support of Ukraine. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 6:45:33 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tuco22: GD before Feb 2022 - "Fuck the FSA" GD currently - "wont you think about the ebt/snap? fucking Zelensky.  " |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 6:46:27 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Check out this over-the-top hyperbole: banning Russian-language broadcasts on TV in Latvia is LITERALLY the same thing as Nazi Germany. It leads to Auschwitz! Russian-speakers in Latvia will need to be defended, don't you know.
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Posted: 10/2/2023 6:51:10 PM EDT
[#42]
More info on the big fire in Rostov on Don
Boris, go down to Abibas (Chinese cloaning of tracksuits made in China) and buy us 10,000 outfits. No pink! Here’s 1,000 rubles go make it happen. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 7:08:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
[#43]
ATTENTION all passengers on Flight 8787 departing Moscow for Oblivioniv. Please proceed to your boarding area and begin boarding. As soon as the pilots complete installation of the wings and other aerospace bits we will start our taxi.
 Also, 400 Aeroflot passengers who were going to Turkey were stuck in Moscow. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 7:10:02 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: And yet ... lots of posters who are opposed to aid/money for Ukraine are CONVINCED that the "Ukebros" are protected by the site, and that site staff and mods have clearly picked the Ukraine side, and that only the anit-Ukraine posters get warnings, bans, that the pro Ukraine posters are allowed to troll treads and personally attack them without consequences, etc. And I am not talking about drooling mouth-breathers who are regurgitating Kremlin talking points. I am talking about highly intelligent, highly educated and highly respected long-term members of this site. i understand that you are CONVINCED that your perception is objectively correct. I get that. But i am telling you that they are equally CONVINCED that their perception is objectively correct. Zhukov is right. That fact that you apparently do not want to believe him, doesn't change that fact that he is right. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 7:15:36 PM EDT
[#45]
Matt Gaetz's laser focus on defunding Ukraine has puzzled me. He sits on Armed Services and Judiciary Committees so it seems like he would be reasonable plugged into the strategic value of degrading Russian ground capabilities. I don't recall him having a similar focus on Afghanistan, so I don't think it is the money spent - it is something else. I don't think he's fallen for Q arguments that MTG has.
Looking at his donors: https://www.followthemoney.org/entity-details?eid=12998496 His major donors are a list of the MIC (Lockheed, Honeywell, Boeing, etc.). I honestly wonder if he is being paid to prevent Russia from being degraded. Instead of "forever war" maybe he wants a "forever threat". If Ukraine knocks off Russia as a ground threat in 1-2 years, then maybe someone is thinking ahead that we might not need as many ground systems. On Feb 28, 2023, Gaetz was trying to do a gotcha with Undersecretary of Defense Collin Kahl where Gaetz was using a citation from Global Times. Kahl called him on it that was propoganda from China, and Gaetz seemed surprised and moved on. Maybe Gaetz is being manipulated by his staff. I'm open to other suggestions but the extent that he is trying to prevent funding for Ukraine seems odd to me. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 7:30:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Tuco22]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Yes, there are many anti-Ukraine threads being started in GD. You guys confine yourself in here. There is nothing in the CoC that prevents them from starting new threads and there's nothing that prevents you from starting additional pro-Ukraine threads. That's not trolling. Most peoples masochism only goes so far.
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Posted: 10/2/2023 7:30:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Kingsmen]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nomansland: Matt Gaetz's laser focus on defunding Ukraine has puzzled me. He sits on Armed Services and Judiciary Committees so it seems like he would be reasonable plugged into the strategic value of degrading Russian ground capabilities. I don't recall him having a similar focus on Afghanistan, so I don't think it is the money spent - it is something else. I don't think he's fallen for Q arguments that MTG has. Looking at his donors: https://www.followthemoney.org/entity-details?eid=12998496 His major donors are a list of the MIC (Lockheed, Honeywell, Boeing, etc.). I honestly wonder if he is being paid to prevent Russia from being degraded. Instead of "forever war" maybe he wants a "forever threat". If Ukraine knocks off Russia as a ground threat in 1-2 years, then maybe someone is thinking ahead that we might not need as many ground systems. On Feb 28, 2023, Gaetz was trying to do a gotcha with Undersecretary of Defense Collin Kahl where Gaetz was using a citation from Global Times. Kahl called him on it that was propoganda from China, and Gaetz seemed surprised and moved on. Maybe Gaetz is being manipulated by his staff. I'm open to other suggestions but the extent that he is trying to prevent funding for Ukraine seems odd to me. You may be right, these defense contractors might not want Russia totally removed from the board as a threat because then there's only China to worry about and they might get less sales going forward. They want their weapons used vs Russia, but at a rate that doesn't lead to the Russian regime failing. The obsession some of these guys have with Ukraine is bizarre. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 7:44:37 PM EDT
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Senate has prepared bi-partisan legislation in support of Ukraine. The house is a clown show. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 7:48:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Poland needs to check with US DoD and Israel about improving their non-lethal options. That needed a lot more fire hose and rubber bullets or beanbag rounds. There's also those microwave things that produce a severe burning sensation. Some of that wouldn't fly inside the US, but for the Polish border, game on. Keep applying non-lethal until they retreat. Don't even let them mess with the fence. Anybody bringing wirecutters up to the fenceline gets a beanbag round until they drop it and run. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Follow up video to the “Russia is only invading Poland with the tip” post. Wait a dad burn minute. I thought Poland is NATO???!! Totally does not look like professional/mil spec agitators among those “refugees.” Right sunglasses dude? Poland needs to check with US DoD and Israel about improving their non-lethal options. That needed a lot more fire hose and rubber bullets or beanbag rounds. There's also those microwave things that produce a severe burning sensation. Some of that wouldn't fly inside the US, but for the Polish border, game on. Keep applying non-lethal until they retreat. Don't even let them mess with the fence. Anybody bringing wirecutters up to the fenceline gets a beanbag round until they drop it and run. No, Poland, and the US, both need to make it clear that if you try to invade a country, you get shot. Period. No more of this open border horse shit. You cross the border illegally, you get shot. That will take care of the problem very quickly when the FAFO situation has a very high mortality. You want to spray them with a hose first or use bean bags? Fine, they can die wet and bruised on the second attempt. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 7:49:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nomansland: Matt Gaetz's laser focus on defunding Ukraine has puzzled me. He sits on Armed Services and Judiciary Committees so it seems like he would be reasonable plugged into the strategic value of degrading Russian ground capabilities. I don't recall him having a similar focus on Afghanistan, so I don't think it is the money spent - it is something else. I don't think he's fallen for Q arguments that MTG has. Looking at his donors: https://www.followthemoney.org/entity-details?eid=12998496 His major donors are a list of the MIC (Lockheed, Honeywell, Boeing, etc.). I honestly wonder if he is being paid to prevent Russia from being degraded. Instead of "forever war" maybe he wants a "forever threat". If Ukraine knocks off Russia as a ground threat in 1-2 years, then maybe someone is thinking ahead that we might not need as many ground systems. On Feb 28, 2023, Gaetz was trying to do a gotcha with Undersecretary of Defense Collin Kahl where Gaetz was using a citation from Global Times. Kahl called him on it that was propoganda from China, and Gaetz seemed surprised and moved on. Maybe Gaetz is being manipulated by his staff. I'm open to other suggestions but the extent that he is trying to prevent funding for Ukraine seems odd to me. Apparently lobbyists write up much of the draft legislation and I expect staff are pushing “completed work” across his desk and writing his speeches like others in Congress. We really should have financial transparency so everyone in Congress and on staff have their tax returns and travel schedules and meetings fully documented and posted online. As well as they are their staffs investments and career resume. They are paid by the public. Everything they do and produce is government property. I don’t know Gaetz net worth but it is sickening our politicians get paid $200Kish and are coming out in five years multimillionaires. |
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