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Posted: 12/8/2023 11:45:27 AM EST
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This clip of Skabeeva's show is good. Aside from thanking the Republicans for their support of Russia, one of the panelists at the end of the clip makes a key point confirming what many of us have said for some time. Russia's efforts at disrupting aid to Ukraine are their path to victory, and they do indeed spend effort in that direction.
 Russian state TV is pleased with Republicans for blocking aid to Ukraine |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 11:46:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/18diu6z/bradley_rounds_engaging_russian_positions_near/  Looks very fast rate of fire for the Brad... |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 12:11:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Objectively, that's true. The failure to deliver to Taiwan systems already budgeted & committed is pretty bad. It shows a major failure in US production/procurement systems. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Prime: Also,
Objectively, that's true. The failure to deliver to Taiwan systems already budgeted & committed is pretty bad. It shows a major failure in US production/procurement systems. I agree it's bad form. But again, the devil is in the details. https://warontherocks.com/2023/01/the-real-reasons-for-taiwans-arms-backlog-and-how-to-help-fill-it/ Stockholm International Peace Research Institute trade register data reveal that delays of anywhere from two to five years between sale and delivery are the norm for transfers of U.S. weapons systems. Across U.S. arms deliveries to all clients completed between 2012 and 2021, the average time between sale and delivery was about four years for air defense systems, 3.5 years for aircraft, and 2.5 years for missiles. Sometimes these delays stretch up to almost 10 years. Taiwan’s delays are in line with these figures. Notably, while clients of major U.S. adversaries like Russia and China often receive faster arms deliveries in general, they face similarly lengthy backlogs when it comes to more high-end systems. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 12:12:51 PM EST
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Posted: 12/8/2023 12:17:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Most people that watch that video will be thinking "damn, look at all those dead Russians!". Most ARFcomers (me included) watching that video are thinking "damn, look at all those free AK-74 mags scattered everywhere, wish I could grab some!". I just hope none of these end up on Cheaper Than Dirt. They would use the dead Russian smell as justification for charging $99.99 each. Yes. I’d break my back looting all that gear to hoard and sell what I can on eBay. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 12:20:16 PM EST
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Russia threatens military strikes on Western countries if Ukraine's newly-donated F-16s are based in NATO territory
Video  Russia has threatened to target Western countries with missile strikes if Ukraine's newly-donated F-16 fighters are based in NATO territory. Such an act by Vladimir Putin would also certainly trigger a World War Three scenario between the West and Russia. It comes as the Kremlin warned today that a nuclear world war is closer than at any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. Maria Zakharova - spokeswoman for the Russian foreign ministry - warned the West that the advanced F-16 fighters delivered to Ukraine will be a fair target for Russia if they are based in NATO countries. She said that the fourth-generation fighter jets could be based in Poland, Slovakia and Romania, meaning NATO is 'getting deeper' into the Ukrainian conflict. 'There have been many questions asked about the transfer of F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine,' said Zakharova, 47. She continued: 'I would like to say that NATO member states continue, as you understand, to intensively arm Ukraine and the supply of tactical fighters is next. 'Given the fact that a significant part of Ukraine's airfield infrastructure has been destroyed, it is possible that these American fighters will be based outside the country, in Poland, Slovakia and Romania. 'Thus, the North Atlantic Alliance is getting deeper and deeper into the Ukrainian conflict.' In August, the United States approved sending F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine from Denmark and the Netherlands to defend against Russia. They are expected to arrive in Ukraine next year. Holding the rank of Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary, Zakharova is Russia's most senior woman diplomat and issued a specific threat to NATO countries on behalf of her boss, Putin's hawkish 73-year-old Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. Zakharova continued: 'The West is waging a hybrid war against our country under the slogan of saving Ukraine. 'At the same time, they also agreed that their main goal is to prevent confrontation with Russia. 'Funny. In reality, the risks of a direct military clash between Russia and NATO are only increasing. 'For the Russian armed forces, fighters participating in the conflict on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, no matter where they fly from, will be a legitimate target for destruction.' Her blast coincides with a warning from the deputy head of the Russian security council, Dmitry Medvedev, a former Kremlin president and prime minister. 'Never since the Cuban Missile Crisis has the threat of a direct clash between Russia and NATO leading to the Third World War been so real,' he said. More than 21 months into the biggest conflict in Europe since World War Two, fighting rages on in Ukraine with no end in sight and neither side has landed a telling blow on the battlefield. Ukrainian soldiers, living in freezing trenches, acknowledge they are exhausted going into a second winter of full-scale war with a resource-rich, nuclear-armed superpower that has more than triple Ukraine's population. Continued |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 12:33:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Russia threatens military strikes on Western countries if Ukraine's newly-donated F-16s are based in NATO territory Video https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/12/08/16/78741569-12842177-Maria_Zakharova_spokeswoman_for_the_Russian_foreign_ministry_war-a-15_1702053835303.jpg Russia has threatened to target Western countries with missile strikes if Ukraine's newly-donated F-16 fighters are based in NATO territory. Such an act by Vladimir Putin would also certainly trigger a World War Three scenario between the West and Russia. It comes as the Kremlin warned today that a nuclear world war is closer than at any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. Maria Zakharova - spokeswoman for the Russian foreign ministry - warned the West that the advanced F-16 fighters delivered to Ukraine will be a fair target for Russia if they are based in NATO countries. She said that the fourth-generation fighter jets could be based in Poland, Slovakia and Romania, meaning NATO is 'getting deeper' into the Ukrainian conflict. 'There have been many questions asked about the transfer of F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine,' said Zakharova, 47. She continued: 'I would like to say that NATO member states continue, as you understand, to intensively arm Ukraine and the supply of tactical fighters is next. 'Given the fact that a significant part of Ukraine's airfield infrastructure has been destroyed, it is possible that these American fighters will be based outside the country, in Poland, Slovakia and Romania. 'Thus, the North Atlantic Alliance is getting deeper and deeper into the Ukrainian conflict.' In August, the United States approved sending F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine from Denmark and the Netherlands to defend against Russia. They are expected to arrive in Ukraine next year. Holding the rank of Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary, Zakharova is Russia's most senior woman diplomat and issued a specific threat to NATO countries on behalf of her boss, Putin's hawkish 73-year-old Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. Zakharova continued: 'The West is waging a hybrid war against our country under the slogan of saving Ukraine. 'At the same time, they also agreed that their main goal is to prevent confrontation with Russia. 'Funny. In reality, the risks of a direct military clash between Russia and NATO are only increasing. 'For the Russian armed forces, fighters participating in the conflict on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, no matter where they fly from, will be a legitimate target for destruction.' Her blast coincides with a warning from the deputy head of the Russian security council, Dmitry Medvedev, a former Kremlin president and prime minister. 'Never since the Cuban Missile Crisis has the threat of a direct clash between Russia and NATO leading to the Third World War been so real,' he said. More than 21 months into the biggest conflict in Europe since World War Two, fighting rages on in Ukraine with no end in sight and neither side has landed a telling blow on the battlefield. Ukrainian soldiers, living in freezing trenches, acknowledge they are exhausted going into a second winter of full-scale war with a resource-rich, nuclear-armed superpower that has more than triple Ukraine's population. Continued Well, that for damn sure will have Sleepy Joe cowering under the table . . . . CMOS 
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Posted: 12/8/2023 12:43:10 PM EST
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Posted: 12/8/2023 12:50:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMOS: Well, that for damn sure will have Sleepy Joe cowering under the table . . . . CMOS Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMOS: Originally Posted By realwar: Russia threatens military strikes on Western countries if Ukraine's newly-donated F-16s are based in NATO territory Video https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/12/08/16/78741569-12842177-Maria_Zakharova_spokeswoman_for_the_Russian_foreign_ministry_war-a-15_1702053835303.jpg Russia has threatened to target Western countries with missile strikes if Ukraine's newly-donated F-16 fighters are based in NATO territory. Such an act by Vladimir Putin would also certainly trigger a World War Three scenario between the West and Russia. It comes as the Kremlin warned today that a nuclear world war is closer than at any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. Maria Zakharova - spokeswoman for the Russian foreign ministry - warned the West that the advanced F-16 fighters delivered to Ukraine will be a fair target for Russia if they are based in NATO countries. She said that the fourth-generation fighter jets could be based in Poland, Slovakia and Romania, meaning NATO is 'getting deeper' into the Ukrainian conflict. 'There have been many questions asked about the transfer of F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine,' said Zakharova, 47. She continued: 'I would like to say that NATO member states continue, as you understand, to intensively arm Ukraine and the supply of tactical fighters is next. 'Given the fact that a significant part of Ukraine's airfield infrastructure has been destroyed, it is possible that these American fighters will be based outside the country, in Poland, Slovakia and Romania. 'Thus, the North Atlantic Alliance is getting deeper and deeper into the Ukrainian conflict.' In August, the United States approved sending F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine from Denmark and the Netherlands to defend against Russia. They are expected to arrive in Ukraine next year. Holding the rank of Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary, Zakharova is Russia's most senior woman diplomat and issued a specific threat to NATO countries on behalf of her boss, Putin's hawkish 73-year-old Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. Zakharova continued: 'The West is waging a hybrid war against our country under the slogan of saving Ukraine. 'At the same time, they also agreed that their main goal is to prevent confrontation with Russia. 'Funny. In reality, the risks of a direct military clash between Russia and NATO are only increasing. 'For the Russian armed forces, fighters participating in the conflict on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, no matter where they fly from, will be a legitimate target for destruction.' Her blast coincides with a warning from the deputy head of the Russian security council, Dmitry Medvedev, a former Kremlin president and prime minister. 'Never since the Cuban Missile Crisis has the threat of a direct clash between Russia and NATO leading to the Third World War been so real,' he said. More than 21 months into the biggest conflict in Europe since World War Two, fighting rages on in Ukraine with no end in sight and neither side has landed a telling blow on the battlefield. Ukrainian soldiers, living in freezing trenches, acknowledge they are exhausted going into a second winter of full-scale war with a resource-rich, nuclear-armed superpower that has more than triple Ukraine's population. Continued Well, that for damn sure will have Sleepy Joe cowering under the table . . . . CMOS This is the same exact threat the Russians used before we sent Patriot to Ukraine. Then they said it again before we sent cluster munitions. And yet again before Himars, then ATACMS... Now I know the F-16's are going to help kick their asses. 
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Posted: 12/8/2023 12:51:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Minister of Defence welcomed her counterparts from V4 countries in Prague Prague - Minister of Defence Jana Černochová (ODS) welcomed her counterparts from the Visegrad Group countries (V4 – Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary) at the National Memorial on Vítkov Hill today. The two-day meeting of Defence Ministers is hosted by Prague in connection with the V4 Presidency. They are to discuss, for example, the security situation in Ukraine and the Middle East and the impact of both conflicts on Central Europe and the Western Balkans. https://www.ceskenoviny.cz/zpravy/ministryne-obrany-privitala-v-praze-sve-protejsky-ze-zemi-v4/2450578 V4 Defence Ministers Approve Declaration, Includes Assistance to Ukraine Prague - The countries of the Visegrad Group (V4 – Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary) will continue to support Ukraine in its defense against Russia as each country sees fit. For example, they share assistance to Ukraine in mine clearance, medical support or humanitarian aid. Defence Minister Jana Černochová (ODS) said this at a press conference after a meeting of the V4 Defence Ministers, Central European Defence Cooperation (CEDC) and the Western Balkan countries. At the meeting, the V4 countries approved a joint declaration. https://www.ceskenoviny.cz/zpravy/v-praze-pokracuje-setkani-ministru-obrany-stredoevropske-obranne-spoluprace/2451089 V4 Defence Ministers agree on a joint declaration, including assistance to Ukraine According to Defence Minister Jana Černochová (ODS), the Visegrad Group (V4) countries have agreed on a joint declaration on support for Ukraine in defence against Russia as each country sees fit. She stated this at the end of the two-day summit of V4 Defence Ministers in Prague. Her Hungarian counterpart, Kristóf Szalay-Bobrovniczky, said Budapest would not send military aid to Kyiv, but would continue to supply the country with humanitarian supplies. The meeting was also joined by representatives of other Central European countries and the Western Balkans. https://ct24.ceskatelevize.cz/clanek/domaci/ministri-obrany-v4-se-shodli-na-spolecne-deklaraci-zahrnuje-pomoc-ukrajine-344011 So the V4 turns out to be gutless on defense when Russia knocks at the door? I’m sure if they just lock down their borders against grain trucks and throw bandaids over the wall they will be fine. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 12:54:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
I especially enjoy seeing those heavy rocket systems droned. They are short range and have no business getting close enough to pummel cities and towns into moon dust. I hope a lot of Russian operators get to enjoy the thermal aspects. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 12:59:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GA1fYgpXcAA95x6?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GA1fYgqWIAAM5VP?format=jpg&name=medium I would not buy those until there had been a factory provided an extensive field test under combat conditions of at least 300 missiles. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:00:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: This is the same exact threat the Russians used before we sent Patriot to Ukraine. Then they said it again before we sent cluster munitions. And yet again before Himars, then ATACMS... Now I know the F-16's are going to help kick their asses. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By CMOS: Originally Posted By realwar: Russia threatens military strikes on Western countries if Ukraine's newly-donated F-16s are based in NATO territory Video https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/12/08/16/78741569-12842177-Maria_Zakharova_spokeswoman_for_the_Russian_foreign_ministry_war-a-15_1702053835303.jpg Russia has threatened to target Western countries with missile strikes if Ukraine's newly-donated F-16 fighters are based in NATO territory. Such an act by Vladimir Putin would also certainly trigger a World War Three scenario between the West and Russia. It comes as the Kremlin warned today that a nuclear world war is closer than at any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. Maria Zakharova - spokeswoman for the Russian foreign ministry - warned the West that the advanced F-16 fighters delivered to Ukraine will be a fair target for Russia if they are based in NATO countries. She said that the fourth-generation fighter jets could be based in Poland, Slovakia and Romania, meaning NATO is 'getting deeper' into the Ukrainian conflict. 'There have been many questions asked about the transfer of F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine,' said Zakharova, 47. She continued: 'I would like to say that NATO member states continue, as you understand, to intensively arm Ukraine and the supply of tactical fighters is next. 'Given the fact that a significant part of Ukraine's airfield infrastructure has been destroyed, it is possible that these American fighters will be based outside the country, in Poland, Slovakia and Romania. 'Thus, the North Atlantic Alliance is getting deeper and deeper into the Ukrainian conflict.' In August, the United States approved sending F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine from Denmark and the Netherlands to defend against Russia. They are expected to arrive in Ukraine next year. Holding the rank of Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary, Zakharova is Russia's most senior woman diplomat and issued a specific threat to NATO countries on behalf of her boss, Putin's hawkish 73-year-old Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. Zakharova continued: 'The West is waging a hybrid war against our country under the slogan of saving Ukraine. 'At the same time, they also agreed that their main goal is to prevent confrontation with Russia. 'Funny. In reality, the risks of a direct military clash between Russia and NATO are only increasing. 'For the Russian armed forces, fighters participating in the conflict on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, no matter where they fly from, will be a legitimate target for destruction.' Her blast coincides with a warning from the deputy head of the Russian security council, Dmitry Medvedev, a former Kremlin president and prime minister. 'Never since the Cuban Missile Crisis has the threat of a direct clash between Russia and NATO leading to the Third World War been so real,' he said. More than 21 months into the biggest conflict in Europe since World War Two, fighting rages on in Ukraine with no end in sight and neither side has landed a telling blow on the battlefield. Ukrainian soldiers, living in freezing trenches, acknowledge they are exhausted going into a second winter of full-scale war with a resource-rich, nuclear-armed superpower that has more than triple Ukraine's population. Continued Well, that for damn sure will have Sleepy Joe cowering under the table . . . . CMOS This is the same exact threat the Russians used before we sent Patriot to Ukraine. Then they said it again before we sent cluster munitions. And yet again before Himars, then ATACMS... Now I know the F-16's are going to help kick their asses. They love to act like there's some secret rulebook being followed, and that's "the real reason" that no one's been nuked and their conventional forces underperform. 
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:00:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dorobuta: Well there are seemingly perks to worshiping Satan - you get to postpone karma until your death. Then you get eternal torture. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dorobuta: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: Karma isn't real, because Ted Kennedy lived a long life. I have to point that out whenever karma is mentioned; carry on. Well you got me there... Well there are seemingly perks to worshiping Satan - you get to postpone karma until your death. Then you get eternal torture. I'llallowit.gif |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:01:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: So... Not "light damage"? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, official word is that it will indeed not buff out.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAz3yR1XEAABzyN?format=jpg&name=small So... Not "light damage"? A good welder could make it stronger than the original. Boris! Grab your torch, the boss has a weekend project for you. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:03:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: Lieh-tzu]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck:
It sure worked on GD. Tweet bookmarked for future reference. 
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:04:40 PM EST
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:05:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
Are the rounds individual wrapped in a gift basket with a Starbucks card or something? Gold plated? German firearm engraved? Do they name each one in a ceremony before shipping? |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:05:55 PM EST
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I need more context, guessing it is a mine clearing charge being used against a Russian position.
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:06:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: A magistrate in Moscow fined Google 4 million rubles for publishing videos on YouTube with false facts about the special operation. We were informed about this in the court district of the magistrate number 422, who made this decision. https://t.me/tass_agency/221967 $44,000 Google will lose more than that on accounting errors today. Does Vlad accept Google Pay? |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:08:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: It sure worked on GD. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck:
It sure worked on GD. It really does. The best thing about it is Russia releases info in spurts when something looks bad for them to counter a narrative. Whenever you can see spaghetti adding another “news story” about Z killing puppies for fun it’s a good tell something big got hit or a Russian economic or battlefield setback, |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:09:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GA1qB42WgAAzLz-?format=jpg&name=medium
There was an article stating at least 50% of Russian oil shipments are facilitated by European countries. But muh exceptions!!! |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:09:27 PM EST
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At first reading: Bulgaria gives missiles to Ukraine
This was done with the votes of 147 deputies. December 8, 2023, 19:33 PM The representatives adopted at first reading a Draft Decision on the provision of additional military assistance to Ukraine, submitted by Boyko Borisov, Delyan Peevski, Kiril Petkov, Atanas Atanasov, Hristo Gadzhev, Ivaylo Mirchev, Kaloyan Ikonomov, Ceyhan Ibryamov, Valentin Radev and Elhan Kalkov. This happened with the votes of 147 deputies, 55 voted against and 7 abstentions. The first statement during the debate was by Nikolay Drenchev from Vazrazhdane, who criticised the draft decision and proposed to reject it. He urged to address important issues such as healthcare. The MP from "Vazrazhdane" recalled that the draft decision was submitted last day at 12:00, was quickly voted on by an extraordinary Defense Committee the same day, and today it is voted in plenary. Drenchev commented that the proposals in the draft decision are frivolous. Borislav Gutsanov from BSP commented that the majority does and votes on things that Bulgarian citizens are against. He urged his colleagues to stop and not accept the draft decision. "Defense Minister Todor Tagarev is at the bottom of what is happening," he said. Ivaylo Mirchev from PP-DB replicated and said that Gutsanov scares people with war, and then urged him not to allow himself to use lies. He criticized that false information was being used and assured: "Bulgaria will not send missile systems to Ukraine. Do not speculate on this," insisted Mirchev. According to the draft decision, Bulgaria should provide Ukraine with malfunctioning, with no need or supranormative portable anti-aircraft missile systems and anti-aircraft missiles of various types, located in the Armed Forces of the country, to be used to strengthen Ukraine's air defenses. In addition, the Minister of Defense should determine the surplus quantities of weapons and equipment from those necessary for the assembly of wartime formations and prepare a proposal for the provision of these weapons and equipment to Ukraine. For its part, the Council of Ministers should hold negotiations with the governments of the Allies B HATO on the deployment of allied anti-aircraft and coastal anti-ship missile systems to strengthen Bulgaria's defense capabilities, as well as demand reimbursement of the costs of the weapons and ammunition provided to Ukraine through the European Peace Instrument and funds from NATO member states. The Council of Ministers should allow the passage through and stay on the territory of the country for the purpose of training and training, on a rotational basis, of up to four infantry/mechanized companies per year, with up to 160 persons from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, for the duration of training and training. https://www.vesti.bg/bulgaria/na-pyrvo-chetene-bylgariia-dava-raketi-na-ukrajna-6185926 Tagarev on the S-300: Even before the war in Ukraine, Bulgaria was refused repairs Radev's veto on the armored personnel carriers on Ukraine was rejected |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:13:33 PM EST
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:15:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I need more context, guessing it is a mine clearing charge being used against a Russian position.
That was.....damn. 
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:15:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Objectively, that's true. The failure to deliver to Taiwan systems already budgeted & committed is pretty bad. It shows a major failure in US production/procurement systems. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Prime: Also,
Objectively, that's true. The failure to deliver to Taiwan systems already budgeted & committed is pretty bad. It shows a major failure in US production/procurement systems. Yeah, the defense industries like to scale back production as much as they can to ensure continuous 100% capacity. Lean and max margins. But that makes ramping up hard especially when they either sell off redundant factories or never built for large production to begin with. Part of the problem may be that “we only do super-duper premium stuff” with no concept of rapid large scale ramp. Fundamentally Congress and MIC have agreed on a slow and steady rate with no plans for a near peer war or assisting another country without getting involved ourselves in such. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:18:02 PM EST
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More drones.
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:19:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
The thermal imagers. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAv7-tzWQAAYrm7?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
Rather easy of the shelf thermal for use in FPV's. Review of that thermal system here: https://hothardware.com/reviews/infiniray-p2-pro-thermal-imaging-camera-for-smartphones-review I posted these several pages back. they are available from china, around 300 bucks a pop. They work very well for their size. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:22:27 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMOS: Well, that for damn sure will have Sleepy Joe cowering under the table . . . . CMOS Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMOS: Originally Posted By realwar: Russia threatens military strikes on Western countries if Ukraine's newly-donated F-16s are based in NATO territory Video https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/12/08/16/78741569-12842177-Maria_Zakharova_spokeswoman_for_the_Russian_foreign_ministry_war-a-15_1702053835303.jpg Russia has threatened to target Western countries with missile strikes if Ukraine's newly-donated F-16 fighters are based in NATO territory. Such an act by Vladimir Putin would also certainly trigger a World War Three scenario between the West and Russia. It comes as the Kremlin warned today that a nuclear world war is closer than at any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. Maria Zakharova - spokeswoman for the Russian foreign ministry - warned the West that the advanced F-16 fighters delivered to Ukraine will be a fair target for Russia if they are based in NATO countries. She said that the fourth-generation fighter jets could be based in Poland, Slovakia and Romania, meaning NATO is 'getting deeper' into the Ukrainian conflict. 'There have been many questions asked about the transfer of F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine,' said Zakharova, 47. She continued: 'I would like to say that NATO member states continue, as you understand, to intensively arm Ukraine and the supply of tactical fighters is next. 'Given the fact that a significant part of Ukraine's airfield infrastructure has been destroyed, it is possible that these American fighters will be based outside the country, in Poland, Slovakia and Romania. 'Thus, the North Atlantic Alliance is getting deeper and deeper into the Ukrainian conflict.' In August, the United States approved sending F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine from Denmark and the Netherlands to defend against Russia. They are expected to arrive in Ukraine next year. Holding the rank of Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary, Zakharova is Russia's most senior woman diplomat and issued a specific threat to NATO countries on behalf of her boss, Putin's hawkish 73-year-old Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. Zakharova continued: 'The West is waging a hybrid war against our country under the slogan of saving Ukraine. 'At the same time, they also agreed that their main goal is to prevent confrontation with Russia. 'Funny. In reality, the risks of a direct military clash between Russia and NATO are only increasing. 'For the Russian armed forces, fighters participating in the conflict on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, no matter where they fly from, will be a legitimate target for destruction.' Her blast coincides with a warning from the deputy head of the Russian security council, Dmitry Medvedev, a former Kremlin president and prime minister. 'Never since the Cuban Missile Crisis has the threat of a direct clash between Russia and NATO leading to the Third World War been so real,' he said. More than 21 months into the biggest conflict in Europe since World War Two, fighting rages on in Ukraine with no end in sight and neither side has landed a telling blow on the battlefield. Ukrainian soldiers, living in freezing trenches, acknowledge they are exhausted going into a second winter of full-scale war with a resource-rich, nuclear-armed superpower that has more than triple Ukraine's population. Continued Well, that for damn sure will have Sleepy Joe cowering under the table . . . . CMOS Yeah, Austin just shit his pants. God forbid the US ever does ANYTHING to confront Russia! Our politicians and diplomats have fully bought into Russia’s narrative of multi-polar spheres of influence. Sad fucking state of affairs when we surrender the high ground without a fight. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:23:47 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ServusVeritatis: It really does. The best thing about it is Russia releases info in spurts when something looks bad for them to counter a narrative. Whenever you can see spaghetti adding another “news story” about Z killing puppies for fun it’s a good tell something big got hit or a Russian economic or battlefield setback, Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck:
It sure worked on GD. It really does. The best thing about it is Russia releases info in spurts when something looks bad for them to counter a narrative. Whenever you can see spaghetti adding another “news story” about Z killing puppies for fun it’s a good tell something big got hit or a Russian economic or battlefield setback, It is complete BS that that troll/Russian shill is still here peddling his filth but Screechjet got banned. You mentioned a poster who literally does nothing but stir up shit, while Screech is a legit subject matter expert. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:33:29 PM EST
[#31]
The occupier says: “Another Ukrainian mansion, blyat. I fиck where they get their money, motherfиckers. Baths, Jacuzzis... that's how the f***ts run away from us... That's where the Ukrainians lived. Where did they get the money from? ...fиcking f***ts...”
A ruzzian “liberator” from a “great” country awash in oil, gas and diamonds has arrived in an ordinary village of Nechaeve, Kherson region, and is walking around someone else’s house, enviously surprised that Ukrainians live not like ruzzians, but like normal people. And this makes him hate Ukrainians even more. Because who gave you permission to live better than us? Here it is, the main national idea of the ruzzians.
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:37:41 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Yeah, the defense industries like to scale back production as much as they can to ensure continuous 100% capacity. Lean and max margins. But that makes ramping up hard especially when they either sell off redundant factories or never built for large production to begin with. Part of the problem may be that “we only do super-duper premium stuff” with no concept of rapid large scale ramp. Fundamentally Congress and MIC have agreed on a slow and steady rate with no plans for a near peer war or assisting another country without getting involved ourselves in such. This point was raised in another thread. The strategic leadership has been woefully deficient in long-term planning & thinking, particularly in production & procurement. Industry consolidation has been allowed to the point where not just a single plant, but sometimes a single component or production tool is used/available for critical items/systems. As you point out, usage is maximized for the purpose of efficiency, but that doesn't permit surge capacity. IMO, procurement contracts need to be structured in a way that not only requires contractors to maintain surge/excess production capacity, but also better maintains multiple/competing suppliers to increase redundancy. Can you imagine how screwed the DoD would be if the Watervliet Arsenal were hit with a missile salvo? It would take years to recover. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:40:43 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ServusVeritatis: It really does. The best thing about it is Russia releases info in spurts when something looks bad for them to counter a narrative. Whenever you can see spaghetti adding another “news story” about Z killing puppies for fun it’s a good tell something big got hit or a Russian economic or battlefield setback, He prefers the term Lapsha. And you nailed it whenever the orcs get their shit pushed in the Lissencephaly victims of GD regurgitate Mordor propaganda like a mamma bird feeding her babies... |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:43:59 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Yeah, Austin just shit his pants. God forbid the US ever does ANYTHING to confront Russia! Our politicians and diplomats have fully bought into Russia’s narrative of multi-polar spheres of influence. Sad fucking state of affairs when we surrender the high ground without a fight. And the worst part is even the Republicans are clowns. Dumb asses don't realize super powers need to do superpower shit. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:45:27 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I need more context, guessing it is a mine clearing charge being used against a Russian position.
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:55:18 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Very good article. The only bit I disagree with strongly is the suggestion we try to induce China to respect international laws and order. Why is it so hard for diplomats to accept some nations deliberately don’t care about things we do? Quit trying to achieve the improbable and work with the demonstrated facts. Otherwise very good ideas about Ukraine, internationalism versus isolationism, economy etc. iI think it well highlights the fact our foreign policy has no guiding principle or objective. Just a lot of knee jerk reactions to the assumed voter base which probably is not the majority or the sensible. There are a bunch of special needs twits from ivy league schools who know what is best for us running our foreign policy. They are there because of the network, not because they posses any particular skill. Letting clueless blueblood retards set policy is our downfall. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 1:57:47 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Russia threatens military strikes on Western countries if Ukraine's newly-donated F-16s are based in NATO territory Video https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/12/08/16/78741569-12842177-Maria_Zakharova_spokeswoman_for_the_Russian_foreign_ministry_war-a-15_1702053835303.jpg Russia has threatened to target Western countries with missile strikes if Ukraine's newly-donated F-16 fighters are based in NATO territory. Such an act by Vladimir Putin would also certainly trigger a World War Three scenario between the West and Russia. It comes as the Kremlin warned today that a nuclear world war is closer than at any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. Maria Zakharova - spokeswoman for the Russian foreign ministry - warned the West that the advanced F-16 fighters delivered to Ukraine will be a fair target for Russia if they are based in NATO countries. She said that the fourth-generation fighter jets could be based in Poland, Slovakia and Romania, meaning NATO is 'getting deeper' into the Ukrainian conflict. 'There have been many questions asked about the transfer of F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine,' said Zakharova, 47. She continued: 'I would like to say that NATO member states continue, as you understand, to intensively arm Ukraine and the supply of tactical fighters is next. 'Given the fact that a significant part of Ukraine's airfield infrastructure has been destroyed, it is possible that these American fighters will be based outside the country, in Poland, Slovakia and Romania. 'Thus, the North Atlantic Alliance is getting deeper and deeper into the Ukrainian conflict.' In August, the United States approved sending F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine from Denmark and the Netherlands to defend against Russia. They are expected to arrive in Ukraine next year. Holding the rank of Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary, Zakharova is Russia's most senior woman diplomat and issued a specific threat to NATO countries on behalf of her boss, Putin's hawkish 73-year-old Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. Zakharova continued: 'The West is waging a hybrid war against our country under the slogan of saving Ukraine. 'At the same time, they also agreed that their main goal is to prevent confrontation with Russia. 'Funny. In reality, the risks of a direct military clash between Russia and NATO are only increasing. 'For the Russian armed forces, fighters participating in the conflict on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, no matter where they fly from, will be a legitimate target for destruction.' Her blast coincides with a warning from the deputy head of the Russian security council, Dmitry Medvedev, a former Kremlin president and prime minister. 'Never since the Cuban Missile Crisis has the threat of a direct clash between Russia and NATO leading to the Third World War been so real,' he said. More than 21 months into the biggest conflict in Europe since World War Two, fighting rages on in Ukraine with no end in sight and neither side has landed a telling blow on the battlefield. Ukrainian soldiers, living in freezing trenches, acknowledge they are exhausted going into a second winter of full-scale war with a resource-rich, nuclear-armed superpower that has more than triple Ukraine's population. Continued They said that with cluster munitions, they said that with Abrams and Leopards, they said that ATACMs and HIMARS ... no one cares what Russia is threating with ... |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 2:13:37 PM EST
[#38]
Imagine how much it cost to protect the U.S. congress, all of their aids, workers. How much it cost to protect the protectors of the witless and deranged. And when they leave office are protected for life. Very hard to compare third world governments to the U.S. when the U.S. is worse then third world countries. The day that jimmy carter decided to let iran continue as a nation was the beginning of the rise of communism and socialism to finally have rooted itself into the fabric of the United States. And to have the deep state tenured workers of the government continue to be the protectors of the protected. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 2:21:43 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I need more context, guessing it is a mine clearing charge being used against a Russian position.
That was.......energetic.
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Posted: 12/8/2023 2:27:29 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: More drones.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GA12x93WYAA8B4U?format=jpg&name=large That box full of batteries probably cost them more than all those airframes put together. That, and they probably still have to add the EW-resistant links and cameras. That kind of stuff isn't "cheap" but it's not mil-spec expensive either. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 2:28:34 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: And the worst part is even the Republicans are clowns. Dumb asses don't realize super powers need to do superpower shit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Yeah, Austin just shit his pants. God forbid the US ever does ANYTHING to confront Russia! Our politicians and diplomats have fully bought into Russia’s narrative of multi-polar spheres of influence. Sad fucking state of affairs when we surrender the high ground without a fight. And the worst part is even the Republicans are clowns. Dumb asses don't realize super powers need to do superpower shit. Sig line material! |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 2:29:39 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Russia threatens military strikes on Western countries if Ukraine's newly-donated F-16s are based in NATO territory Video https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/12/08/16/78741569-12842177-Maria_Zakharova_spokeswoman_for_the_Russian_foreign_ministry_war-a-15_1702053835303.jpg Russia has threatened to target Western countries with missile strikes if Ukraine's newly-donated F-16 fighters are based in NATO territory. Such an act by Vladimir Putin would also certainly trigger a World War Three scenario between the West and Russia. It comes as the Kremlin warned today that a nuclear world war is closer than at any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. Maria Zakharova - spokeswoman for the Russian foreign ministry - warned the West that the advanced F-16 fighters delivered to Ukraine will be a fair target for Russia if they are based in NATO countries. She said that the fourth-generation fighter jets could be based in Poland, Slovakia and Romania, meaning NATO is 'getting deeper' into the Ukrainian conflict. 'There have been many questions asked about the transfer of F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine,' said Zakharova, 47. She continued: 'I would like to say that NATO member states continue, as you understand, to intensively arm Ukraine and the supply of tactical fighters is next. 'Given the fact that a significant part of Ukraine's airfield infrastructure has been destroyed, it is possible that these American fighters will be based outside the country, in Poland, Slovakia and Romania. 'Thus, the North Atlantic Alliance is getting deeper and deeper into the Ukrainian conflict.' In August, the United States approved sending F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine from Denmark and the Netherlands to defend against Russia. They are expected to arrive in Ukraine next year. Holding the rank of Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary, Zakharova is Russia's most senior woman diplomat and issued a specific threat to NATO countries on behalf of her boss, Putin's hawkish 73-year-old Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. Zakharova continued: 'The West is waging a hybrid war against our country under the slogan of saving Ukraine. 'At the same time, they also agreed that their main goal is to prevent confrontation with Russia. 'Funny. In reality, the risks of a direct military clash between Russia and NATO are only increasing. 'For the Russian armed forces, fighters participating in the conflict on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, no matter where they fly from, will be a legitimate target for destruction.' Her blast coincides with a warning from the deputy head of the Russian security council, Dmitry Medvedev, a former Kremlin president and prime minister. 'Never since the Cuban Missile Crisis has the threat of a direct clash between Russia and NATO leading to the Third World War been so real,' he said. More than 21 months into the biggest conflict in Europe since World War Two, fighting rages on in Ukraine with no end in sight and neither side has landed a telling blow on the battlefield. Ukrainian soldiers, living in freezing trenches, acknowledge they are exhausted going into a second winter of full-scale war with a resource-rich, nuclear-armed superpower that has more than triple Ukraine's population. Continued Lol, eat shit bitch. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 2:30:01 PM EST
[#43]
Agreed. Two is one and one is none.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: This point was raised in another thread. The strategic leadership has been woefully deficient in long-term planning & thinking, particularly in production & procurement. Industry consolidation has been allowed to the point where not just a single plant, but sometimes a single component or production tool is used/available for critical items/systems. As you point out, usage is maximized for the purpose of efficiency, but that doesn't permit surge capacity. IMO, procurement contracts need to be structured in a way that not only requires contractors to maintain surge/excess production capacity, but also better maintains multiple/competing suppliers to increase redundancy. Can you imagine how screwed the DoD would be if the Watervliet Arsenal were hit with a missile salvo? It would take years to recover. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 2:56:29 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: That box full of batteries probably cost them more than all those airframes put together. That, and they probably still have to add the EW-resistant links and cameras. That kind of stuff isn't "cheap" but it's not mil-spec expensive either. I would hope they are building them themselves. I put together a few for ham radio use. BMS is about 4 dollars, depending on the batteries, 3-10 bucks each. Shrink tube, silver straps, and a bit of wire and an xt60 connector. I wouldn't worry about balancing cells for a 1 way trip like that. I got caught up finally. Death has been touching the lorazepam household too much lately, including my dog Lady last night. Thanks for the thread to get my mind off of things for a while. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 3:10:14 PM EST
[#45]
I've toyed around with this thought before in this thread, but I feel that should Western support start to dry up, Ukraine will opt for dramatic actions that have been previously left off the table. There's plenty of possible actions at Ukraine's disposal that are unsavory. These include targeting Russian officials directly (both in Russia and abroad), a targeted campaign against factory managers, a targeted and sustained campaign targeting Russian infrastructure, etc. A bunch of Beslan type attacks won't win the war (and would be morally disgusting), but a targeted campaign against Russian politicians, arms factories, and infrastructure is a different matter. I feel that the Ukrainians have in large part held back on this due to fears of alienating the west and causing the west to piss itself due to fears of "escalation." However, if Western support starts to dry up, that incentive not to carry out those attacks is no longer there.
Basically, I can see Ukraine, out of desperation, switching to more asymmetrical methods if they believe that they are no longer capable of successfully prosecuting the war in a conventional manner. This would open up the door for various options, many of which may be unpleasant and set worrying precedents for future conflicts. Right now, Ukrainian intelligence seems to be operating largely autonomously, especially if the reports are true that the attack on Nordstream was carried out without Zelensky's knowledge. It's hard to imagine them not getting more ballsy and aggressive should Western support be cut off. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 3:13:30 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I need more context, guessing it is a mine clearing charge being used against a Russian position.
Holy Shit! |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 3:15:37 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Holy Shit! That cool damp air really adds to the effect.
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Posted: 12/8/2023 3:19:42 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: It is complete BS that that troll/Russian shill is still here peddling his filth but Screechjet got banned. You mentioned a poster who literally does nothing but stir up shit, while Screech is a legit subject matter expert. please don't quote the trolls |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 3:24:29 PM EST
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Posted: 12/8/2023 3:32:47 PM EST
[#50]
Some very interesting information regarding drones from a Ukrainian intel officer I'm stalking (@planemaker may find this stuff interesting):
I've never seen a mythical Switchblade, but in general it is as you say - the main difference is a sheer difference in price and scale (of availability first and foremost). The FPVs are used in tens of thousands monthly, certainly more than Switchblades were ever produced. Looking at basic Switchblade 600 specs, you should rather compare them to Lancets, which they resemble much more. Tactic-wise, Switchblades have longer range, a more sophisticated control channel, safer to handle, and come assembled to key, probably with a factory warranty. FPVs are crafted from a wide array of vaguely standardized, mass-produced components, which have to be assembled by the user in kits, including a frame, the engines and rotors, a control chip and software (which can be programmed by the user in many ways or even written from scratch), a battery, RC antennas and a camera, and finally a delivery parcel - which is usually duct-taped and armed manually moments before flight. The whole thing has to be properly tested and balanced together to achieve desirable specifications. The specifications themselves are thus extremely varied, and depend on anything starting from your desired goals, quality of the components and assembly, etc. But thus is their strength - FPVs are extremely flexible. Jamming them might be extremely hard, even though they use cheap and weak Chinese radio components - because they have non-standard operating frequencies, and because the users can ad-hoc modify them in a field with both external and internal features. They can carry a wide array of ammunition (usually up to 3 kg), a recent modification is a Claymore (МОН-50) mine for devastating AP effect. Finally, they are much more maneuverable, being copter-type, and in the hands of the skilled pilot can get in the tightest holes, firing ports, or target a weak spot on a moving vehicle from weird angles. But the greatest difference is still a price and availability. When Switchblades come in tenths of thousands a month, then we can put them on the same scale to compare. Different types of drones are vulnerable (or resistant) to different types of jamming. Basic DJI\Autel and similar drones operate on specific standard frequencies, and since they were meant to be compliant to governmental regulations, they were made vulnerable to EW on purpose. The handicaps can be mostly fixed, but the standard frequencies meant that commercial\military EW contractors built their production lines for the signal jammers to these drones. However FPVs are made using a wide variety of non-standard radio parts (control channel is often in between 840-1300Mhz for example), and there are currently no effective "military-grade" jammers available - the R&D and procurement simply can't keep up. And by the time they catch up, FPVs will move to other frequencies (they already do). Most of anti-FPV jammers have to be of the dome-type - all-round emitters with relatively short range. Currently the main source for all parts is China - they produce stuff like this en masse. You stack'em up, attach appropriate antennas and power units, and there you have your magic voodoo force field. However currently it is about 20-30% effective against incoming FPVs. Also when its on, it emits like crazy so that enemy electronic surveillance can spot that in a matter of minutes with ~100m accuracy, which may bring unnecessary attention. Of course it is a bit more complicated than that to explain in a single post - many radio-nerds on both sides of this war are working hard to create a solution that can be effective and scaled up. There is about a dozen honest and significant EW startups in Ukraine that have done some great work on this. I personally (though by no means a radio-nerd myself) assisted at least one of them to start things up. However they all receive exactly zero help and instead lots of hindering from the government. So we can't set up large production like the russians, that have a direct state supervision and mass production. Currently the russians outnumber us ~10:1 in the number of active anti-FPV EW shields (though again with ~30% or worse efficiency), and they also were first to create a more significant and powerful area jammers specifically against FPVs. But in this fight, classic EW is doomed to fail sooner or later, since AI-integration is rapidly moving forward and basic targeting assist is already in use. Once its more or less autonomous, I feel sorry for us meatbags. |
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