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Posted: 2/20/2022 11:56:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rca2222: You don't drink Vegemite. It's a spread, and a fairly thick one at that. I prefer Marmite in the little three gram tub portions, but I was talking about that Samogan plus vodka. BTW, the pandemic crashed the mosquito hide market in Australia hard.  Monty Python - Mosquito Hunters |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 11:58:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hking: Here is a little tutorial on how to make any thread better https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/363844/2022-02-20_08_14_44-OFFICIAL_Ukraine_con-2286214.JPG Thank you. 
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Posted: 2/20/2022 11:59:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rca2222: You don't drink Vegemite. It's a spread, and a fairly thick one at that. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:01:57 PM EDT
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Reading this thread I can't help but be reminded of George Washington's sage adivice.
The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:02:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WoodHeat]
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:04:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nailcrusher: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/394844/BC958A01-B279-4D4D-BE5A-6AF25DF53020_jpe-2286166.JPG 
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:07:05 PM EDT
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what does his sign say?
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:11:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: what does his sign say?
"Russia, don't touch Ukraine" |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:12:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: what does his sign say?
Russia don't touch Ukraine. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:14:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rca2222: Nothing sells a war quite like a mass casualty event. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rca2222: Originally Posted By 7255: Originally Posted By Finslayer83: Screw the trolls. back on track
The forced conscription isn't a good look. Why do I have a bad gut feeling that a, "saboteur," is going to get where they're training these people and blow it up, so the bodies of, "revolutionary patriots defending their homeland," can be plastered all over the media? Nothing sells a war quite like a mass casualty event. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:15:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Third_Rail]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: what does his sign say?
Russia: don't touch Ukraine. ETA: beat like sixteen million times. 
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:17:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: what does his sign say?
Look, I washed for supper |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:17:29 PM EDT
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I know this is out there, but any chance at all Chinese troops show up in the region?
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:18:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:19:13 PM EDT
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Arguing that what the Russian army has assembled is somewhere between austistic and idiotic because it’s most of their combat power and the situation is Rumsfeldian: you go to war with the army you have.
Not only do you go to war with the army you have but in this case it is significantly more powerful than Ukraine’s armed forces in every meaningful way: their EW is stronger,air defense far more powerful,air forces many times stronger,armor force larger,artillery far more numerous and it has forced the Ukrainians to spread what they do have thinly against 3 fronts,4 if you count Transnistria. It is just outright idiotic to in any way claim that the Russian forces assembled are not a very valid risk to Ukraine’s integrity and sovereignty. I believe that Putin believed he could bluff concessions from a weak and addled Biden,a battered Johnson,sympathetic Scholz and effete Macron. I think he miscalculated that there would be resistance to him but it doesn’t matter,he needs a win and can’t look weak. It would not matter if there was the greatest modern military miracle and Russia was stopped cold,Putin would simply spin this as a defensive war with NATO and Russia was not defeated. Putin quite simply cannot lose. Even if nothing at all happens he shows that he “protected” Russians from Ukrainian genocide and the sad simpletons that are the average Russians will believe it. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:19:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:20:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cone256: Too bad the mods won't get rid of the Russian trolls. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:21:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: He’s like JohnBurns but for Spetsnaz. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By EvanWilliams: Now you have spoken truth. I have no doubt younsoent alot of time in Russia. He’s like JohnBurns but for Spetsnaz.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:21:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: No, too cold. War with Australia would be fun though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: Do you really want a war with Russia? No, too cold. War with Australia would be fun though. Plus the women outnumber the men. Plenty of war brides... 
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:26:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PointBlank82: From everything I've read to date in this thread, is it the consensus that Putin is at The Point of No Return? 1) He calls this thing off, getting nothing for all the mobilization money pissed away 2) He goes into Ukraine balls deep, annexing as much as he wants, pissing off the international community and ending up with massive sanctions Seems like he's painted himself into a corner unless he's backed by China and this is the opening move into something much bigger (as others have speculated). Option 3: Market is manipulated up and down while insiders make billions on puts/calls Industrial war complex makes billions to counter the "imminent invasion" Final Stage: Putin rolls into the separatist region with zero casualties, officially annexing it for Russia Putin threatens some more, gets some concessions Everyone wins |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:28:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GroundhogOZ: The Russians don't want war they want a dialogue I don't know what is worse, you being so trusting of Russian propaganda or the leftist who think Biden is the greatest. Thank you for really having me contemplate this. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:28:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GroundhogOZ: Everyone that does a mature analysis recognises this. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GroundhogOZ: Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: The Russians don't want war they want a dialogue Everyone that does a mature analysis recognises this. Go drunk, your home broseph. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:33:28 PM EDT
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This thread needs some Oplot
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:35:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GroundhogOZ: and thats why no one take you seriously - no one wants to work with you because you disrespect your allies and indeed betray them - AFG. Had you guys not handed in your firearms, you could of shot the dingo before it ate your baby. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:36:07 PM EDT
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What ever happened with the T14 armada's?
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:38:28 PM EDT
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Blyat
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:38:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TX-Zen]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tuco22: What ever happened with the T14 armada's? JK I'm not sure how many have been built so far (maybe 12? Not sure) but it's not in production in any kind of serious numbers yet, or probably ever. It's too expensive to equip their entire force with, and who knows how many they will actually try to deploy |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:40:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tuco22: What ever happened with the T14 armada's? Russians didn't have the money to fund production |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:41:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tuco22: What ever happened with the T14 armada's? |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:42:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tuco22: What ever happened with the T14 armada's? Beat like bitch in gulag |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:42:47 PM EDT
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Should Ukraine be painting Z’s on their equipment??
Just to fuck with the Russians troops who are trading diesel for vodka? |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:43:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackal-FnM: I don't know what is worse, you being so trusting of Russian propaganda or the leftist who think Biden is the greatest. Thank you for really having me contemplate this. I know when I talk to my neighbor I invite all of my rough looking friends over and we display our weapons on the front lawn. Edit to add that after being here 10 years I have no doubt that some members probably do just that. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:46:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:46:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By josepha1: So it is happening on Monday !?  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By josepha1: Originally Posted By Nailcrusher: Originally Posted By PointBlank82: From everything I've read to date in this thread, is it the consensus that Putin is at The Point of No Return? 1) He calls this thing off, getting nothing for all the mobilization money pissed away 2) He goes into Ukraine balls deep, annexing as much as he wants, pissing off the international community and ending up with massive sanctions Seems like he's painted himself into a corner unless he's backed by China and this is the opening move into something much bigger (as others have speculated). Putin isn’t calling anything off. They’re rolling in there sometime tonight. It’s roughly 5pm there I believe. So it is happening on Monday !? Yep. Putin has just been waiting on his buddy Xi to finish hosting the Olympics. Didn’t want to distract from the CCPs propaganda show to the world how great their country is. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:47:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: runfrumu]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackal-FnM: Had you guys not handed in your firearms, you could of shot the dingo before it ate your baby. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackal-FnM: Originally Posted By GroundhogOZ: and thats why no one take you seriously - no one wants to work with you because you disrespect your allies and indeed betray them - AFG. Had you guys not handed in your firearms, you could of shot the dingo before it ate your baby. Afganies werent allies, they were mooches. Allies wouldnt have folded in 12 hours after us having supplied and trained them for 20 years. They had no intention of ever fending for themselves. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:47:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:49:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesilvercord:
Im sure itll have, but itll happen when it happens. This is like the 4th time US intelligence has said this. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:49:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dissident: I generally don't click the ignore button but this obnoxious obtusity is obviously intended to derail this thread. "Obviously obnoxious obtusity." Oh... I LIKE that! *grabs little notebook for notable quotes* |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:51:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runfrumu: Im sure itll have, but itll happen when it happens. This is like the 4th time US intelligence has said this. Was it US intelligence or the media just stating it again? |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:55:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackal-FnM: May the Ukrainians slaughter the invading Russians... Praying for Ukrainians, I hope they make the Russians pay dearly for every civilian casualty for every square inch of land they take. I still think Putin knows it will be a bloodbath, and will continue to this for a few more weeks, he's probably getting more out of this than if he actually goes in. I also worry for us at home, this will be used for the next stage of acceleration here at home. Nothing like smearing everyone that opposes you as Russian Agent. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 12:55:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nailcrusher: Putin isn’t calling anything off. They’re rolling in there sometime tonight. It’s roughly 5pm there I believe. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nailcrusher: Originally Posted By PointBlank82: From everything I've read to date in this thread, is it the consensus that Putin is at The Point of No Return? 1) He calls this thing off, getting nothing for all the mobilization money pissed away 2) He goes into Ukraine balls deep, annexing as much as he wants, pissing off the international community and ending up with massive sanctions Seems like he's painted himself into a corner unless he's backed by China and this is the opening move into something much bigger (as others have speculated). Putin isn’t calling anything off. They’re rolling in there sometime tonight. It’s roughly 5pm there I believe. Can he wait until tomorrow? I've got a wedding tonight so I won't be able to follow what is going on
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Posted: 2/20/2022 1:05:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GlockZen: Praying for Ukrainians, I hope they make the Russians pay dearly for every civilian casualty for every square inch of land they take. I still think Putin knows it will be a bloodbath, and will continue to this for a few more weeks, he's probably getting more out of this than if he actually goes in. I also worry for us at home, this will be used for the next stage of acceleration here at home. Nothing like smearing everyone that opposes you as Russian Agent. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GlockZen: Originally Posted By Jackal-FnM: May the Ukrainians slaughter the invading Russians... Praying for Ukrainians, I hope they make the Russians pay dearly for every civilian casualty for every square inch of land they take. I still think Putin knows it will be a bloodbath, and will continue to this for a few more weeks, he's probably getting more out of this than if he actually goes in. I also worry for us at home, this will be used for the next stage of acceleration here at home. Nothing like smearing everyone that opposes you as Russian Agent. Not his blood so he is not that concerned.. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 1:05:40 PM EDT
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What’s the consensus on the posture of Russia’s strategic Air Force assets?
It seems like there has been a lot of focus on their tactical and CAS type aircraft, but not as much on their bombers. Would they use their bombers in a massive first night air campaign like the US typically does before rolling in troops and armor? What type of IAD does Ukraine have? Do they have anything that would seriously threaten Russian bombers and interdiction/strike aircraft during the first few days of the war? |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 1:08:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tstorms]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bunn19: What’s the consensus on the posture of Russia’s strategic Air Force assets? It seems like there has been a lot of focus on their tactical and CAS type aircraft, but not as much on their bombers. Would they use their bombers in a massive first night air campaign like the US typically does before rolling in troops and armor? What type of IAD does Ukraine have? Do they have anything that would seriously threaten Russian bombers and interdiction/strike aircraft during the first few days of the war? They may use them to launch missiles. There's no reason to risk those assets. ETA: strategic bombers |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 1:15:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bunn19: What’s the consensus on the posture of Russia’s strategic Air Force assets? It seems like there has been a lot of focus on their tactical and CAS type aircraft, but not as much on their bombers. Would they use their bombers in a massive first night air campaign like the US typically does before rolling in troops and armor? What type of IAD does Ukraine have? Do they have anything that would seriously threaten Russian bombers and interdiction/strike aircraft during the first few days of the war? Russia loves artillery. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 1:17:05 PM EDT
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This thought just dawned on me this morning while reading this thread: I don't think Russia is EXACTLY waiting for the end of the olympics; I suspect that they'll get their athletes home before launching the war.
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Posted: 2/20/2022 1:20:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sjm1582002: Reading this thread I can't help but be reminded of George Washington's sage adivice. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim. Yeah but he obviously would have wanted an exception for desert shitholes, eastern European shitholes, and islands right off china’s coast. Those are worth sacrificing our entire nation for |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 1:21:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman: Russia loves artillery. Everyone loves artillery. It's what does most of the killin'. |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 1:22:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX-Zen: This thread needs some Oplot https://nationalinterest.org/sites/default/files/main_images/Strong_Europe_Tank_Challenge_2018_%2827902145007%29%20%281%29.jpg https://aw.my.games/sites/aw.my.com/files/u183517/oplot_2017_kharkov_2.jpg https://defence-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/CR889TcWoAAiF2S.jpg MHe HpaBitcR T84  |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 1:22:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar15joe: Option 3: Market is manipulated up and down while insiders make billions on puts/calls Industrial war complex makes billions to counter the "imminent invasion" Final Stage: Putin rolls into the separatist region with zero casualties, officially annexing it for Russia Putin threatens some more, gets some concessions Everyone wins This seems as likely as anything else. I'm assuming between the market manipulation and the rise in oil prices this little exercise has more than paid for itself. Maybe if Putins feeling froggy take more territory in the southeast and have a land connection and control of the water to the Crimea. Makes it look like he did something to the folks at home without risking much. All the signs point to a full scale invasion but I don't see what's in it for Vlad unless this is part of something bigger with China, Iran etc. The natural resources of Ukraine have been mentioned but with the poor state of the Russian and Ukrainian infrastructure which would be made worse by a full scale war it would be awhile before it could be meaningfully extracted. Putin is not a young man and I think he wants tangible results now vrs down the road. I think this is all about him and his ego and not the long term benefits to Russia. |
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