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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:30:34 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a manufactured drama. Don’t fall for it. Don’t perpetuate it. The ex-Nazi is 98 years old-soon to be dead. All the other Nazis are long gone. This is an Ex-Issue. Today, the world has the same evil of Putinism to confront. We don’t need to dredge up fake demons, when we have real live/real time demons who need to be stopped. He wont mind spending the rest of his fucking life behind bars being pissed on. Tell him its all good  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:33:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This guy gets it. It's also not a war crime for the victor to then exact retribution on his enemies as long as he does it through the charade of a show trial. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This. Im not an expert on WWII military or anything, BUT id assume that it being 2023, and this guy being 98 years old means he was born 1925. , So he was 20 years odl when teh war ended. I cant imagine he had much control over the course of events, i mean he would have been a private, or PFC, or wharever the germans called that rank. Now if he was like "hey LT, we can improve teh efficiency of the ovens by doing XYZ, thus letting us kill XYZ MORE deplorables... " then sure. his unit burnt thousands of civilians alive. but hey he didn't run the gas chambers so fuck his unit's victims. I suppose we should also extradite all our surviving B29 crew members to Japan for all the fire bombings and nuking of Japanese civilians. Or does that not count? The hypocrisy sickens me. You are only a war criminal if you are on the losing side. Everyone knows that, get with the program. This guy gets it. It's also not a war crime for the victor to then exact retribution on his enemies as long as he does it through the charade of a show trial. People forget that flashy show trials for drama were literally a product of the soviet union, and something that they as the victors were more than happy to impose on the conquered. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:34:58 PM EDT
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When this topic comes up, I usually want to ask those sincerely angry about this if we should dig this man up from Arlington:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauri_T |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:42:02 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? He killed commies. Give him another medal. If you hate that then you're probably a communist sympathizer. Did he ONLY kill commies? |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:49:07 PM EDT
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You know, if we just take this one event and look at it in isolation it demonstrates how absurd all this shit is.
Imagine the headline: Congress gives standing ovation to suspected Nazi war criminal Would that be a bad thing? Would it be a good thing? Would we be seeing debates about how Nazi a Nazi really is or was in the aftermath of that? So how fucking absurd has this Ukraine business gotten where suddenly there's an argument about that? And if Our Betters who really do know what's up and what's going on and can be trusted to get this whole affair right can't figure this one out, how the fuck can anyone have any faith in anything else they are doing? |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:50:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did he ONLY kill commies? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why? He killed commies. Give him another medal. If you hate that then you're probably a communist sympathizer. Did he ONLY kill commies? Did he not? Seems like the kind of thing you bring evidence for before you ruin someone's life who defended the western world from communism |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:50:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude, I don't have the slightest idea. It could go either way. I don't think it's an unreasonable expectation to ask for the evidence of a crime. I've been critical of Ukraine when I felt it was deserved, which is more and more often these days, but I'm not going to clap like a simpleton everytime some simple shit happens at their misfortune, especially if doing so would compromise my core beliefs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just out of curiosity, do you think your grandfather would have held the same view? Well it was a genuine question, not an attack on you... it seems with every passing generation history gets watered down until it gets to the point where it's palatable. I know my great uncle was never the same after he came back from being a UK WW2 POW in the pacific. Talk about a 1000yd stare... |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:50:56 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh. He fought for the “wrong” side in the global sense, it may have made sense to him in local geopolitical context. If he was killing commies, then he was at least killing the “right” people. lets just put it this way. he didn't kill enough commies to overlook the fact that his unit rounded up civilians and burnt them to death. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:51:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 98 year old dude? Who gives a fuck. The elites whose favourite boogeyman is fascism and white supremacy. (When it suits them or is convenient for them). |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:52:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do the Soviets that murdered tens of thousands innocent Poles also... Can't forget the commies... |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:54:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't forget the commies... the commies were worse than the nazi's in every single way. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:56:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like Poland is sick of Ukraine’s games. Maybe Poland knows something we don’t. I’m not a hater of some foreigners that served in the Waffen SS, I worked with a few SS veterans and sons in Belgium, and while almost all were volunteers, Belgian And most Western volunteers signed an agreement that they would only fight Russians, and not the Western powers. I’m not educated enough to know why Ukrainian SS were killing Poles and Jews, but I do know that the Poles had to forgive other Poles that worked for the Soviets. Before anyone bans me, my family is from Poland, and while Im not Jewish, we have Ashkenazi DNA. The Poles' motivation for this is geopolitics surrounding the ongoing conflict. Not about bringing a 98 year old to justice. The old man is a weapon for them to use against Zelensky (and Trudeau). |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:56:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lets just put it this way. he didn't kill enough commies to overlook the fact that his unit rounded up civilians and burnt them to death. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Meh. He fought for the “wrong” side in the global sense, it may have made sense to him in local geopolitical context. If he was killing commies, then he was at least killing the “right” people. lets just put it this way. he didn't kill enough commies to overlook the fact that his unit rounded up civilians and burnt them to death. Wonder how many WWII/Vietnam vets fit the description of "committed war crimes against civilians in the fight against authoritarianism" You guys are upset that you can't just use the "Nahtzee" word to scare people into going along with your skewed perception of history. I think we've seen enough of how the world's unfolded to safely conclude that communism was the worse of the 2 evils and we should focus 100% of our efforts on finding aging communist KGB and gulag guards and feeding them their testicles while still alive. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:56:39 PM EDT
[#14]
I'm sure Trudeau would gladly shoot the ukrainian dude himself to make this go away. Maybe he will preemptively extradite old guy.
I imagine this makes it a little easier for some of the polish public to accept cutting off ukraine aid. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:58:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know, if we just take this one event and look at it in isolation it demonstrates how absurd all this shit is. Imagine the headline: Congress gives standing ovation to suspected Nazi war criminal Would that be a bad thing? Would it be a good thing? Would we be seeing debates about how Nazi a Nazi really is or was in the aftermath of that? So how fucking absurd has this Ukraine business gotten where suddenly there's an argument about that? And if Our Betters who really do know what's up and what's going on and can be trusted to get this whole affair right can't figure this one out, how the fuck can anyone have any faith in anything else they are doing?  Attached FileCompetency crisis! @Screechjet1 |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:59:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am just here to see how our Uke fan bois cheerleaders deal with this? This puts them in a weird spot and I can't wait to see which direction they cheer. Same here , appears nazis however. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:00:41 PM EDT
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The US stripped an Operation Paperclip Nazi of US Citizenship and deported him back to Germany in the 80s.
 Send the Canadian Nazi to the Poles. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:01:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wonder how many WWII/Vietnam vets fit the description of "committed war crimes against civilians in the fight against authoritarianism" You guys are upset that you can't just use the "Nahtzee" word to scare people into going along with your skewed perception of history. I think we've seen enough of how the world's unfolded to safely conclude that communism was the worse of the 2 evils and we should focus 100% of our efforts on finding aging communist KGB and gulag guards and feeding them their testicles while still alive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Meh. He fought for the “wrong” side in the global sense, it may have made sense to him in local geopolitical context. If he was killing commies, then he was at least killing the “right” people. lets just put it this way. he didn't kill enough commies to overlook the fact that his unit rounded up civilians and burnt them to death. Wonder how many WWII/Vietnam vets fit the description of "committed war crimes against civilians in the fight against authoritarianism" You guys are upset that you can't just use the "Nahtzee" word to scare people into going along with your skewed perception of history. I think we've seen enough of how the world's unfolded to safely conclude that communism was the worse of the 2 evils and we should focus 100% of our efforts on finding aging communist KGB and gulag guards and feeding them their testicles while still alive. Calling people "Nazi" is the same as calling them "heretic". I.e "that person/those people are enemies of the prevailing orthodoxy". Except using "Nazi" is magnitudes more mid. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:03:05 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did he not? Seems like the kind of thing you bring evidence for before you ruin someone's life who defended the western world from communism Valid point, but the soviets, for good or bad, during ww2 were allies... Part of the current Ukraine was actually Poland, and 1 in 4 jews killed were from.that area. The odds don't look good. https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/ukraine-holocaust |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:05:01 PM EDT
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Canada went full retard and not only honored the guy but built a monument for them. Never go full retard.
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:06:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 98 year old dude? Who gives a fuck. The descendants of the Jews he killed. Oh wait, they don’t have descendants, because he killed their ancestors. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:08:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Again... the 14th SS Division was not accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity unlike other SS and Wehrmacht units. Elements of the 14th SS/1st Ukrainian murdered Polish civilians, like other Ukrainian nationalist formations at the time. To a lesser extent Ukrainians were ethnically cleansed from Eastern Poland. Poles and Ukrainians murdered plenty of Jews. After the Nazi defeat Ukrainian nationalists who had first fought the Germans and then enlisted as a German-led SS division to kill Soviets/keep alive hopes of Ukrainian independence and ethnically cleansed Polish civilians from Western Ukraine were evacuated to Canada and the UK with the help of...the Poles. Things in Eastern Europe were complicated before, during, and after WWII and are complicated today. There's nothing tying this particular guy to any war crimes. Here's another "Nazi": https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauri_T%C3%B6rni ETA: Already posted above. The discussion over this unit has been going on since the war ended, and everybody telling the story, the U.S., the UK, Canada, Ukraine, Poland, Russia, has used it for their own propaganda and military purposes. Nothing has changed. Do a little reading and it quickly becomes apparent that it's not going to be a discussion many denizens of GD, especially the Putin-puffers, are equipped to have. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:12:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh shit, the SS, not just a German soldier. Yeah, they're not going to let that slide without a second look. I read an SS officer. OOOph. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:13:12 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Valid point, but the soviets, for good or bad, during ww2 were allies... Part of the current Ukraine was actually Poland, and 1 in 4 jews killed were from.that area. The odds don't look good. https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/ukraine-holocaust Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did he not? Seems like the kind of thing you bring evidence for before you ruin someone's life who defended the western world from communism Valid point, but the soviets, for good or bad, during ww2 were allies... Part of the current Ukraine was actually Poland, and 1 in 4 jews killed were from.that area. The odds don't look good. https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/ukraine-holocaust My point is, until you hunt down all KGB agents and all gulag guards and execute them, my tolerance for hunting down anyone and everyone tenuously tied to the warfighting efforts of National Socialist Germany is pretty damn low on the list. Quite frankly, I think many B29 crewman should be tried 1st if we're talking actual morality concerning the deaths of innocent civilians here and not virtue signaling to show the left how the right definitely would never use government force to actually stop their shit like those evil le heckin nahtsees did. You guys realize that to the majority of people in political power today... you are basically the same as this gentleman, right? You guys know that, don't you? Go on some left leaning parts of the internet and you'll see. A lot of you have no clue. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:13:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi 2nd this. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:14:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LoL... the old timer wasn't a "Nazi". Fighting for Ukraine in WW2, in the 1st Galician Div (14th SS Div), doesn't mean he was a Nazi party member nor does it mean he supported their party ideals. The guy was fighting for his homeland against the Soviets (no further explanation needed). Also, FWIW, it was far easier for foreign nationals to fight in the SS, usually in their own representative unit, than to join the Wehrmacht (the German military had a lot of red tape). Furthermore, the 14th SS Div was not accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity. So while your statement may pertain to legit members of the brainwashed National Socialist German Workers Party... it doesn't pertain here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Good The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi LoL... the old timer wasn't a "Nazi". Fighting for Ukraine in WW2, in the 1st Galician Div (14th SS Div), doesn't mean he was a Nazi party member nor does it mean he supported their party ideals. The guy was fighting for his homeland against the Soviets (no further explanation needed). Also, FWIW, it was far easier for foreign nationals to fight in the SS, usually in their own representative unit, than to join the Wehrmacht (the German military had a lot of red tape). Furthermore, the 14th SS Div was not accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity. So while your statement may pertain to legit members of the brainwashed National Socialist German Workers Party... it doesn't pertain here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_ In the winter and spring of 1944, the SS-Galizien participated in the destruction of several Polish villages, including the village of Huta Pieniacka. About five hundred civilians were murdered. . In the ensuing massacre, the village of Huta Pienacka was destroyed, and between 500 and 1,000 of the inhabitants were killed. According to Polish accounts, civilians were locked in barns that were set on fire, while those attempting to flee were killed. The village of Pidkamin was the site of a monastery where Poles sought shelter from the encroaching front. On 11 March 1944, around 2,000 people, the majority of whom were women and children, were seeking refuge there when the monastery was attacked by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (unit under Maksym Skorupsky command), allegedly cooperating with an SS-Galizien unit.[55] The next day, 12 March, the monastery was captured and civilians were murdered (part of the population managed to escape at night). Members of another SS-Galizien sub-unit also participated in the execution of Polish civilians in Palykorovy, located in the Lw w area (Lviv oblast) near Pidkamin (former Tarnopol Voivodeship). It is estimated that 365 ethnic Poles were murdered, including women and children https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidkamin_massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palikrowy_massacre |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:16:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So it's ok as long as you do it on a much larger scale from colossal formations of aircraft? Makes sense. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up_zps5c0357b9_GIF-103.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I suppose we should also extradite all our surviving B29 crew members to Japan for all the fire bombings and nuking of Japanese civilians. Or does that not count? The hypocrisy sickens me. maybe if the Jews or Polish people attacked Germany and declared war on them it would have been similar. bombing cities was pretty standard warfare at the time. rounding up civilians and burning them to death was not. So it's ok as long as you do it on a much larger scale from colossal formations of aircraft? Makes sense. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up_zps5c0357b9_GIF-103.gif  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:17:11 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a manufactured drama. Don’t fall for it. Don’t perpetuate it. The ex-Nazi is 98 years old-soon to be dead. All the other Nazis are long gone. This is an Ex-Issue. Today, the world has the same evil of Putinism to confront. We don’t need to dredge up fake demons, when we have real live/real time demons who need to be stopped. Justice delayed is justice denied.  
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:17:49 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting isn't it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm amazed at the overlap of UkeBros and people against this extradition.  Interesting isn't it. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:19:44 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you, and the other knee jerkers like you, ever actually researched WW2 history and learned a thing or two, you'd understand there was a difference between the Nazi party, Allgemeine/general SS (party enforcers), Waffen-SS (military), and even foreign Waffen-SS units. As I already stated, the 1st Galician (14th SS Div) was NOT party driven. It was made up of mostly Ukrainian volunteers and some Slovaks and Poles, who desired to fight for the homelands against the Soviets. Again... the 14th SS Division was not accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity unlike other SS and Wehrmacht units. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Furthermore, the 14th SS Div was not accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity. lol whut? since when has rounding up civilians and burning them alive not been a war crime? before war crimes were even a thing? If you, and the other knee jerkers like you, ever actually researched WW2 history and learned a thing or two, you'd understand there was a difference between the Nazi party, Allgemeine/general SS (party enforcers), Waffen-SS (military), and even foreign Waffen-SS units. As I already stated, the 1st Galician (14th SS Div) was NOT party driven. It was made up of mostly Ukrainian volunteers and some Slovaks and Poles, who desired to fight for the homelands against the Soviets. Again... the 14th SS Division was not accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity unlike other SS and Wehrmacht units.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:20:33 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LoL... the old timer wasn't a "Nazi". Fighting for Ukraine in WW2, in the 1st Galician Div (14th SS Div), doesn't mean he was a Nazi party member nor does it mean he supported their party ideals. The guy was fighting for his homeland against the Soviets (no further explanation needed). Also, FWIW, it was far easier for foreign nationals to fight in the SS, usually in their own representative unit, than to join the Wehrmacht (the German military had a lot of red tape). Furthermore, the 14th SS Div was not accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity. So while your statement may pertain to legit members of the brainwashed National Socialist German Workers Party... it doesn't pertain here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Good The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi LoL... the old timer wasn't a "Nazi". Fighting for Ukraine in WW2, in the 1st Galician Div (14th SS Div), doesn't mean he was a Nazi party member nor does it mean he supported their party ideals. The guy was fighting for his homeland against the Soviets (no further explanation needed). Also, FWIW, it was far easier for foreign nationals to fight in the SS, usually in their own representative unit, than to join the Wehrmacht (the German military had a lot of red tape). Furthermore, the 14th SS Div was not accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity. So while your statement may pertain to legit members of the brainwashed National Socialist German Workers Party... it doesn't pertain here. So this unit, while he was in it, was not in a position to abuse Polish or Jewish civilians n Poland? If this is the case, and he just fought with Nazis against Soviets, I get why he did that. I would have also. If he went to Poland and killed civilians, then fuck him. If I were a Ukrainian during the war I would have wanted to fight at Satan's side against the commies. But I would have had a plan to desert if things went anywhere else. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:20:59 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: i definitely agree that the only good commie is a dead commie. the commie's were actually worse than the nazi's. Not really any or less worse. But they had many more years of practice, starting back with the Czars. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:22:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Furthermore, the 14th SS Div was not accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity. lol whut? since when has rounding up civilians and burning them alive not been a war crime? before war crimes were even a thing? If you, and the other knee jerkers like you, ever actually researched WW2 history and learned a thing or two, you'd understand there was a difference between the Nazi party, Allgemeine/general SS (party enforcers), Waffen-SS (military), and even foreign Waffen-SS units. As I already stated, the 1st Galician (14th SS Div) was NOT party driven. It was made up of mostly Ukrainian volunteers and some Slovaks and Poles, who desired to fight for the homelands against the Soviets. Again... the 14th SS Division was not accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity unlike other SS and Wehrmacht units. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/temp-95.gif Yeah and for 60 years the west helped lie about Katyn forest. Show me how much you care about the poles without showing me how much you don't give a fuck if its commies killing them. Quite frankly every aspect of WW2 on the eastern front should be suspect and viewed through the lens of all information coming from communist sympathizers. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:23:33 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And the total acceptance of a Nazi as a hero. I’m not a Ukebro or a Nazi, nor do I suspect this guy of being a “hero.” But I’m having a hard time with the whole “extradite a 98-year-old” absent something more than “he was in a foreign SS unit and his larger unit generally *may* have killed civilians.” |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:23:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You said that already. I was pointing out the absurdity of the distinction. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So it's ok as long as you do it on a much larger scale from colossal formations of aircraft? Makes sense. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up_zps5c0357b9_GIF-103.gif bombing cities in air raids was a commonly accepted warfare practice of the time. rounding up minority civilians, putting them in barns and houses, and burning them to death was not. You said that already. I was pointing out the absurdity of the distinction. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:27:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:30:31 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think many B29 crewman should be tried 1st if we're talking actual morality concerning the deaths of innocent civilians. The US was far removed from the bombing destruction of WW2... It shows. Pick a population center in the UK (most cities) with a major war effort and you'll see pictures like this:  Do you think the bombing of german industrial sites was any less of a need for the war effort? Precision bombing in ww2 planes taking heavy fire... not the most accurate. All wars have casualties. The B29 aimed to end the above, and did so effectively. How many more blitzes would have taken place otherwise? |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:33:06 PM EDT
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Also worth noting that this "POLAND EXTRADITES NAZI" story in a Canadian tabloid is based on...a tweet from Poland's Education Minister, who apparently sent a letter to a Polish NGO requesting an investigation. Not exactly warming up the plane.
The minister is a Polish Law and Justice jerk-off who appears to be making a career out of rousing the rubes through sensationalistic populism. Effective strategy as we know. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:33:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: bombing cities in air raids was a commonly accepted warfare practice of the time. rounding up minority civilians, putting them in barns and houses, and burning them to death was not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So it's ok as long as you do it on a much larger scale from colossal formations of aircraft? Makes sense. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up_zps5c0357b9_GIF-103.gif bombing cities in air raids was a commonly accepted warfare practice of the time. rounding up minority civilians, putting them in barns and houses, and burning them to death was not. it isn't that he can't understand the distinction, it's that he won't. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:33:49 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just because he got away with it all this time doesn't mean he shouldn't swing... Fuck him. At his age, the drop should be eventful. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:33:52 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wonder how many WWII/Vietnam vets fit the description of "committed war crimes against civilians in the fight against authoritarianism" You guys are upset that you can't just use the "Nahtzee" word to scare people into going along with your skewed perception of history. I think we've seen enough of how the world's unfolded to safely conclude that communism was the worse of the 2 evils and we should focus 100% of our efforts on finding aging communist KGB and gulag guards and feeding them their testicles while still alive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Meh. He fought for the “wrong” side in the global sense, it may have made sense to him in local geopolitical context. If he was killing commies, then he was at least killing the “right” people. lets just put it this way. he didn't kill enough commies to overlook the fact that his unit rounded up civilians and burnt them to death. Wonder how many WWII/Vietnam vets fit the description of "committed war crimes against civilians in the fight against authoritarianism" You guys are upset that you can't just use the "Nahtzee" word to scare people into going along with your skewed perception of history. I think we've seen enough of how the world's unfolded to safely conclude that communism was the worse of the 2 evils and we should focus 100% of our efforts on finding aging communist KGB and gulag guards and feeding them their testicles while still alive. 3nd generation Pole here. Both were 100% Evil.  Saying anything else is just foolish. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:34:56 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 1-he's a Nazi 2-it embarrasses Trudeau What's not to like? It also embarrasses Zelenskyy considering the guy is a literal Ukrainian Nazi |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:35:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really any or less worse. But they had many more years of practice, starting back with the Czars. well the Nazi's killed maybe 12 million of their own people and i am swinging for the park with that number. the Commie's more than likely killed north of a 100 million of their own people and that is probably a conservative estimate. both shit heads, but one group infinitely more shitty. not even comparable. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:35:10 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:38:34 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The US was far removed from the bombing destruction of WW2... It shows. Pick a population center in the UK (most cities) with a major war effort and you'll see pictures like this: https://cdn.britannica.com/93/215893-050-2B12C767.jpg Do you think the bombing of german industrial sites was any less of a need for the war effort? Precision bombing in ww2 planes taking heavy fire... not the most accurate. All wars have casualties. The B29 aimed to end the above, and did so effectively. How many more blitzes would have taken place otherwise? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think many B29 crewman should be tried 1st if we're talking actual morality concerning the deaths of innocent civilians. The US was far removed from the bombing destruction of WW2... It shows. Pick a population center in the UK (most cities) with a major war effort and you'll see pictures like this: https://cdn.britannica.com/93/215893-050-2B12C767.jpg Do you think the bombing of german industrial sites was any less of a need for the war effort? Precision bombing in ww2 planes taking heavy fire... not the most accurate. All wars have casualties. The B29 aimed to end the above, and did so effectively. How many more blitzes would have taken place otherwise? Now rationalize anti-partisan reprisals with that same logic. Quite frankly I think they're both insane and innocent people dying is always tragic and there's no amount of 'muh war effort' to explain it away. I think often times the individual soldiers, aircrews etc. are involved in circumstances that are horrific and beyond their control and its wise to be lenient when judging young men caught up in war. My point being that if we are choosing not to be lenient, then we should go after people who did the killing on all sides. If you pay particularly close attention though, there's only a desire to condemn the deaths of innocents when its Germans and other Europeans who fought against communism that did it. So if all sides commit atrocities in war, why do we only go after ones of a particular political persuasion? Especially when the side that committed more war crimes (the Soviets) gets a complete total pass on their crimes? And why the fuck would anyone on the right who gets the term Nazi hurled at them in the current year, ever agree to go along with such post-facto persecution? It seems very stupid to me. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:39:22 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not a Ukebro or a Nazi, nor do I suspect this guy of being a "hero." But I'm having a hard time with the whole "extradite a 98-year-old" absent something more than "he was in a foreign SS unit and his larger unit generally *may* have killed civilians." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And the total acceptance of a Nazi as a hero. I'm not a Ukebro or a Nazi, nor do I suspect this guy of being a "hero." But I'm having a hard time with the whole "extradite a 98-year-old" absent something more than "he was in a foreign SS unit and his larger unit generally *may* have killed civilians." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Demjanjuk Or this guy https://www.mlive.com/news/2009/08/us_man_john_kalymon_decries_de.html |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:42:25 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A dead nazi is a good nazi. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/460291/polish_resistance_flag_jpg-2967314.JPG Some people here should learn more about that flag and how Warsaw was burned to the ground. Hang him. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:43:15 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi You sir are a man of impeccable taste and timing! |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:44:37 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 3nd generation Pole here. Both were 100% Evil. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/188534/72-3254_tif-2967397.jpg Saying anything else is just foolish. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Meh. He fought for the “wrong” side in the global sense, it may have made sense to him in local geopolitical context. If he was killing commies, then he was at least killing the “right” people. lets just put it this way. he didn't kill enough commies to overlook the fact that his unit rounded up civilians and burnt them to death. Wonder how many WWII/Vietnam vets fit the description of "committed war crimes against civilians in the fight against authoritarianism" You guys are upset that you can't just use the "Nahtzee" word to scare people into going along with your skewed perception of history. I think we've seen enough of how the world's unfolded to safely conclude that communism was the worse of the 2 evils and we should focus 100% of our efforts on finding aging communist KGB and gulag guards and feeding them their testicles while still alive. 3nd generation Pole here. Both were 100% Evil. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/188534/72-3254_tif-2967397.jpg Saying anything else is just foolish. I've said it before, but Poles in my opinion are the only people who can equate Nazis and Commies to be the same, because sadly, for many Poles there really was no distinction. The Russians and Germans both carved your country up and somehow the Russians saw every Pole as a fascist sympathizer (who had also whooped their ass in recent memory too) and the Germans saw every Pole as a communist partizan. That is a truly lose-lose proposition. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:44:57 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I suppose you had a hard time with this guy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Demjanjuk Or this guy https://www.mlive.com/news/2009/08/us_man_john_kalymon_decries_de.html  When you find evidence that this guy was the superintendent of a death camp, let me know. Apples and cement mixers indeed. |
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