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Link Posted: 8/2/2019 6:11:29 PM EDT
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Yes, certainly you can provide ample evidence that the constitution does not apply today, right?
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Trump doesn't really understand guns or the gun community.
LOL.  Based on the new "special snowflake" CoC here, I don't think many people understand the gun community.  
Hell,I don't understand the gun community-supposed to be pro 2nd Amendment,but constantly support those who pass laws against it.
We are to the Republican Party what black people are to the Democrats.
Yep.

And like the blacks,most are proud of it.........
I always envisioned our relationship with the Republican party as looking like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T575Pbo4eWM
That's the thing,we do have somewhere else to go.

BUT,that whole support the team shit keeps most tied to it (like the blacks with the dems).

Someday the two choices will be between slightly lesser evils.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://youtu.be/l7l9QmtiXHU

25 yr old cartoon sums up the stupidity of the people..............
What is the other option?  A third party?
Yes,BUT,it only works if the majority want smaller gov.,less spending,and an original 2nd Amendment.And we know that's not the case,so some of us will vote 3rd party,and the rest will obediently pull the R lever no matter what,and we'll get the government we deserve................
So the parties are representing what the majority want?  That's shocking in a representative government.  If only the minority had a recourse in a representative government.
Like a constitution?? That only works for a little while, our politicians and judges burned ours decades ago.
How so?  Just saying shit like that doesn't magically make it true
Are you serious?
Yes, certainly you can provide ample evidence that the constitution does not apply today, right?
Yes I do
https://gov.ecfr.io
Start there
If you finish before you die of old age let me know.
Link Posted: 8/2/2019 6:11:39 PM EDT
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The problem with such statements is that you really can't prove them, nor are they indicative of anything else other than how you project the public to be.
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Trump doesn't really understand guns or the gun community.
LOL.  Based on the new "special snowflake" CoC here, I don't think many people understand the gun community.  
Hell,I don't understand the gun community-supposed to be pro 2nd Amendment,but constantly support those who pass laws against it.
We are to the Republican Party what black people are to the Democrats.
Yep.

And like the blacks,most are proud of it.........
I always envisioned our relationship with the Republican party as looking like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T575Pbo4eWM
That's the thing,we do have somewhere else to go.

BUT,that whole support the team shit keeps most tied to it (like the blacks with the dems).

Someday the two choices will be between slightly lesser evils.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://youtu.be/l7l9QmtiXHU

25 yr old cartoon sums up the stupidity of the people..............
What is the other option?  A third party?
Yes,BUT,it only works if the majority want smaller gov.,less spending,and an original 2nd Amendment.And we know that's not the case,so some of us will vote 3rd party,and the rest will obediently pull the R lever no matter what,and we'll get the government we deserve................
So the parties are representing what the majority want?  That's shocking in a representative government.  If only the minority had a recourse in a representative government.
The majority are ignorant and apathetic and probably don't know what the Constitution is...............
The problem with such statements is that you really can't prove them, nor are they indicative of anything else other than how you project the public to be.
Not prove them??Look around.Look at the people the voters have elected,and look at the shit they are trying to elect to the top slot.

The proof is where we are in this country...................
Link Posted: 8/2/2019 6:14:42 PM EDT
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Not prove them??Look around.Look at the people the voters have elected,and look at the shit they are trying to elect to the top slot.

The proof is where we are in this country...................
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Trump doesn't really understand guns or the gun community.
LOL.  Based on the new "special snowflake" CoC here, I don't think many people understand the gun community.  
Hell,I don't understand the gun community-supposed to be pro 2nd Amendment,but constantly support those who pass laws against it.
We are to the Republican Party what black people are to the Democrats.
Yep.

And like the blacks,most are proud of it.........
I always envisioned our relationship with the Republican party as looking like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T575Pbo4eWM
That's the thing,we do have somewhere else to go.

BUT,that whole support the team shit keeps most tied to it (like the blacks with the dems).

Someday the two choices will be between slightly lesser evils.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://youtu.be/l7l9QmtiXHU

25 yr old cartoon sums up the stupidity of the people..............
What is the other option?  A third party?
Yes,BUT,it only works if the majority want smaller gov.,less spending,and an original 2nd Amendment.And we know that's not the case,so some of us will vote 3rd party,and the rest will obediently pull the R lever no matter what,and we'll get the government we deserve................
So the parties are representing what the majority want?  That's shocking in a representative government.  If only the minority had a recourse in a representative government.
The majority are ignorant and apathetic and probably don't know what the Constitution is...............
The problem with such statements is that you really can't prove them, nor are they indicative of anything else other than how you project the public to be.
Not prove them??Look around.Look at the people the voters have elected,and look at the shit they are trying to elect to the top slot.

The proof is where we are in this country...................
Are conflating "shit you disagree with," with ignorance?
Link Posted: 8/2/2019 6:15:15 PM EDT
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Yes I do
https://gov.ecfr.io
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Trump doesn't really understand guns or the gun community.
LOL.  Based on the new "special snowflake" CoC here, I don't think many people understand the gun community.  
Hell,I don't understand the gun community-supposed to be pro 2nd Amendment,but constantly support those who pass laws against it.
We are to the Republican Party what black people are to the Democrats.
Yep.

And like the blacks,most are proud of it.........
I always envisioned our relationship with the Republican party as looking like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T575Pbo4eWM
That's the thing,we do have somewhere else to go.

BUT,that whole support the team shit keeps most tied to it (like the blacks with the dems).

Someday the two choices will be between slightly lesser evils.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://youtu.be/l7l9QmtiXHU

25 yr old cartoon sums up the stupidity of the people..............
What is the other option?  A third party?
Yes,BUT,it only works if the majority want smaller gov.,less spending,and an original 2nd Amendment.And we know that's not the case,so some of us will vote 3rd party,and the rest will obediently pull the R lever no matter what,and we'll get the government we deserve................
So the parties are representing what the majority want?  That's shocking in a representative government.  If only the minority had a recourse in a representative government.
Like a constitution?? That only works for a little while, our politicians and judges burned ours decades ago.
How so?  Just saying shit like that doesn't magically make it true
Are you serious?
Yes, certainly you can provide ample evidence that the constitution does not apply today, right?
Yes I do
https://gov.ecfr.io
Start there
If you finish before you die of old age let me know.
So what part of the constitution do these regulations violate?
Link Posted: 8/2/2019 6:15:26 PM EDT
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The real irony is Obama talked trash but really did't do much anti-gun stuff. Trump talks up the 2A but then makes bans bumpstocks and talks up silencer bans and red flag laws. We truly live in bizzarro world.
Link Posted: 8/2/2019 6:17:21 PM EDT
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Solution?  Please?
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Damn,you prove your own point............. Trump knows the vast majority of gun owners will; support him no matter what,so he can play some lip service.

This is why we are where we are,and where we are headed.

What do you get when you reward bad behavior instead of holding them accountable???
Solution?  Please?
Dont vote for gun grabbers.
If that is too hard for you,
Don’t promise to vote for gun grabbers.
Link Posted: 8/2/2019 6:20:21 PM EDT
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So what part of the constitution do these regulations violate?
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Trump doesn't really understand guns or the gun community.
LOL.  Based on the new "special snowflake" CoC here, I don't think many people understand the gun community.  
Hell,I don't understand the gun community-supposed to be pro 2nd Amendment,but constantly support those who pass laws against it.
We are to the Republican Party what black people are to the Democrats.
Yep.

And like the blacks,most are proud of it.........
I always envisioned our relationship with the Republican party as looking like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T575Pbo4eWM
That's the thing,we do have somewhere else to go.

BUT,that whole support the team shit keeps most tied to it (like the blacks with the dems).

Someday the two choices will be between slightly lesser evils.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://youtu.be/l7l9QmtiXHU

25 yr old cartoon sums up the stupidity of the people..............
What is the other option?  A third party?
Yes,BUT,it only works if the majority want smaller gov.,less spending,and an original 2nd Amendment.And we know that's not the case,so some of us will vote 3rd party,and the rest will obediently pull the R lever no matter what,and we'll get the government we deserve................
So the parties are representing what the majority want?  That's shocking in a representative government.  If only the minority had a recourse in a representative government.
Like a constitution?? That only works for a little while, our politicians and judges burned ours decades ago.
How so?  Just saying shit like that doesn't magically make it true
Are you serious?
Yes, certainly you can provide ample evidence that the constitution does not apply today, right?
Yes I do
https://gov.ecfr.io
Start there
If you finish before you die of old age let me know.
So what part of the constitution do these regulations violate?
Almost every amendment.
And goes way beyond the powers originally granted.
But you know that already.
Link Posted: 8/2/2019 6:20:26 PM EDT
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TL/DR-those of us that are pro gun,smaller government,and less spending,are fucked.
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It’s sad, but the truth. Trump is doing good things for the country, but IMHO he is no friend of the 2A.
Link Posted: 8/2/2019 6:22:19 PM EDT
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Almost every amendment.
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Trump doesn't really understand guns or the gun community.
LOL.  Based on the new "special snowflake" CoC here, I don't think many people understand the gun community.  
Hell,I don't understand the gun community-supposed to be pro 2nd Amendment,but constantly support those who pass laws against it.
We are to the Republican Party what black people are to the Democrats.
Yep.

And like the blacks,most are proud of it.........
I always envisioned our relationship with the Republican party as looking like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T575Pbo4eWM
That's the thing,we do have somewhere else to go.

BUT,that whole support the team shit keeps most tied to it (like the blacks with the dems).

Someday the two choices will be between slightly lesser evils.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://youtu.be/l7l9QmtiXHU

25 yr old cartoon sums up the stupidity of the people..............
What is the other option?  A third party?
Yes,BUT,it only works if the majority want smaller gov.,less spending,and an original 2nd Amendment.And we know that's not the case,so some of us will vote 3rd party,and the rest will obediently pull the R lever no matter what,and we'll get the government we deserve................
So the parties are representing what the majority want?  That's shocking in a representative government.  If only the minority had a recourse in a representative government.
Like a constitution?? That only works for a little while, our politicians and judges burned ours decades ago.
How so?  Just saying shit like that doesn't magically make it true
Are you serious?
Yes, certainly you can provide ample evidence that the constitution does not apply today, right?
Yes I do
https://gov.ecfr.io
Start there
If you finish before you die of old age let me know.
So what part of the constitution do these regulations violate?
Almost every amendment.
And goes way beyond the powers originally granted.
But you know that already.
So you can't identify what part in particular these regulation violate in the constitution? Or you just don't want to say?
Link Posted: 8/2/2019 6:24:32 PM EDT
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You know, I have alot of really smart friends.  Smart successful business leaders.  Very successful.  Very smart.  Some are even as smart as me.  Some of the most successful people in the whole world.

And, all of them, they say to me, you know, Trump is doing a wonderful job.  He won the election in 2016.  Bunch of people didn't think he would win, but he did.  So, he is the winner of the election.  Now, he is the President.  He is the President of the United States.  Our nation.  Don't believe the fake news that says he is not the President.  He is the President.

Plus, just look at his wife.  What a beautiful women.  She was a model.  Think of Trump's Obamacare replacement plan as a woman.  Sure, you have not seen it yet, and it has not even been drafted.  But, if it had been drafted, it would be beautiful.  Trust me.  Like his wife.  Only the best.  And, everybody says, she is beautiful.  Just stunning.

Many people also say, and I have heard this quite often, all the time, she is the most beautiful woman that ever lived.  I was in the airport in Denver just the other day, a wonderful place, great airport.  We love the Denver airport, don't we?  I fly in there all the time.

Colorado has some problems, we all know that, but they have a great airport.  All our airports should be like that.  I'm in construction, so I know beautiful airports.  Everyone should go see the Denver airport.  I love the Denver airport.

This man came up to me and said the First Lady is the most beautiful woman that has ever lived.  Then, we talked about how the media refuses to report on this fact.  Dishonest media.  If they refuse to report that the First lady is the most beautiful woman that ever lived, what else are they hiding?  Bet they don't even report about the beautiful Denver airport.  Its wonderful.

They have this place there called Root Down.  Its a funky bistro in the airport.  Good people.  In the beautiful Denver airport.  Its wonderful.

Many people don't know this but bistro comes from the Greek word bison.  And, bison, some call them buffalo, the Greeks call them bison, used to roam the great plains.  A huge stretch of land in the midwest.

I love the midwest.  I've seen it myself.  It is huge.  The great plains.  Great people out there.  We love the midwest, don't we?  I do.

Oh, crooked, crooked Hillary.  She probably doesn't even go to Denver.  I know alot of people in Denver.  Trust me, I do.  Alot of people.   Very smart, very successful people.  And, I asked them, hey, have you ever seen Hillary?  I call her crooked, crooked Hillary.  She lost the election.

And, they all say, everyone says, they have never seen Hillary in the Denver airport.  I asked the people at Root Down, good people at Root Down, working hard to run a funky bistro, good Americans, there at the beautiful Denver airport, and they have never seen her.  What kinda person doesn't like a funky bistro?  But, the media, the dishonest media, remains silent.  Can't trust them.  No sir.  Can't trust them.

Crooked, crooked Hillary.  She hates the Denver airport and the Great Plains.  Great Plains, Great Plains, I tell you, from sea to shining sea.  Crooked, crooked Hillary.
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So fucking nailed it
Link Posted: 8/2/2019 6:33:01 PM EDT
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So you can't identify what part in particular these regulation violate in the constitution? Or you just don't want to say?
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Trump doesn't really understand guns or the gun community.
LOL.  Based on the new "special snowflake" CoC here, I don't think many people understand the gun community.  
Hell,I don't understand the gun community-supposed to be pro 2nd Amendment,but constantly support those who pass laws against it.
We are to the Republican Party what black people are to the Democrats.
Yep.

And like the blacks,most are proud of it.........
I always envisioned our relationship with the Republican party as looking like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T575Pbo4eWM
That's the thing,we do have somewhere else to go.

BUT,that whole support the team shit keeps most tied to it (like the blacks with the dems).

Someday the two choices will be between slightly lesser evils.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://youtu.be/l7l9QmtiXHU

25 yr old cartoon sums up the stupidity of the people..............
What is the other option?  A third party?
Yes,BUT,it only works if the majority want smaller gov.,less spending,and an original 2nd Amendment.And we know that's not the case,so some of us will vote 3rd party,and the rest will obediently pull the R lever no matter what,and we'll get the government we deserve................
So the parties are representing what the majority want?  That's shocking in a representative government.  If only the minority had a recourse in a representative government.
Like a constitution?? That only works for a little while, our politicians and judges burned ours decades ago.
How so?  Just saying shit like that doesn't magically make it true
Are you serious?
Yes, certainly you can provide ample evidence that the constitution does not apply today, right?
Yes I do
https://gov.ecfr.io
Start there
If you finish before you die of old age let me know.
So what part of the constitution do these regulations violate?
Almost every amendment.
And goes way beyond the powers originally granted.
But you know that already.
So you can't identify what part in particular these regulation violate in the constitution? Or you just don't want to say?
So what is your game? You love everything exactly the way it is and there is never anything wrong? The .gov is always right no matter how wrong they are?
Link Posted: 8/2/2019 6:34:09 PM EDT
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So what is your game? You love everything exactly the way it is and there is never anything wrong? The .gov is always right no matter how wrong they are?
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Trump doesn't really understand guns or the gun community.
LOL.  Based on the new "special snowflake" CoC here, I don't think many people understand the gun community.  
Hell,I don't understand the gun community-supposed to be pro 2nd Amendment,but constantly support those who pass laws against it.
We are to the Republican Party what black people are to the Democrats.
Yep.

And like the blacks,most are proud of it.........
I always envisioned our relationship with the Republican party as looking like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T575Pbo4eWM
That's the thing,we do have somewhere else to go.

BUT,that whole support the team shit keeps most tied to it (like the blacks with the dems).

Someday the two choices will be between slightly lesser evils.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://youtu.be/l7l9QmtiXHU

25 yr old cartoon sums up the stupidity of the people..............
What is the other option?  A third party?
Yes,BUT,it only works if the majority want smaller gov.,less spending,and an original 2nd Amendment.And we know that's not the case,so some of us will vote 3rd party,and the rest will obediently pull the R lever no matter what,and we'll get the government we deserve................
So the parties are representing what the majority want?  That's shocking in a representative government.  If only the minority had a recourse in a representative government.
Like a constitution?? That only works for a little while, our politicians and judges burned ours decades ago.
How so?  Just saying shit like that doesn't magically make it true
Are you serious?
Yes, certainly you can provide ample evidence that the constitution does not apply today, right?
Yes I do
https://gov.ecfr.io
Start there
If you finish before you die of old age let me know.
So what part of the constitution do these regulations violate?
Almost every amendment.
And goes way beyond the powers originally granted.
But you know that already.
So you can't identify what part in particular these regulation violate in the constitution? Or you just don't want to say?
So what is your game? You love everything exactly the way it is and there is never anything wrong? The .gov is always right no matter how wrong they are?
There is a difference between loving everything, and labeling shit I don't like as unconstitutional.  Crazy huh?
Link Posted: 8/2/2019 6:35:49 PM EDT
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He's just making those comments for firearm owners so they'll stay on his side and vote for him.

Gun owners are to the Republicans, what blacks are to the Democrats. They fancy us as reliable voting blocks.

I'll still vote for him, unless he does something completely retarded and steps on his dick again with stupid remarks in regards to the 2nd Amendment
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This up here.

But the irony of take the guns first and due process later,  while he himself is being railroaded in a soft coup attempt is disturbing.
Link Posted: 8/2/2019 6:42:16 PM EDT
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What has he been saying?

I'm optimistically hoping that his appreciation for the 2A might have "evolved" since dealing with all of the deep state tyranny BS that he's been through.
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What has he been saying?

I'm optimistically hoping that his appreciation for the 2A might have "evolved" since dealing with all of the deep state tyranny BS that he's been through.
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there have been no Pro-2A comments. #FakeNews

saying "those Dems are coming for your guns" isn't pro-2A, it's just red meat
Link Posted: 8/2/2019 6:45:57 PM EDT
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The real irony is Obama talked trash but really did't do much anti-gun stuff. Trump talks up the 2A but then makes bans bumpstocks and talks up silencer bans and red flag laws. We truly live in bizzarro world.
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Sorry your girl lost.
Link Posted: 8/2/2019 6:47:57 PM EDT
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I won't be surprised if he pushes a new AWB if he's re-elected.
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I won't be surprised if he pushes a new AWB if he's re-elected.
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Why?
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Not prove them??Look around.Look at the people the voters have elected,and look at the shit they are trying to elect to the top slot.

The proof is where we are in this country...................
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If it's so bad how come all you never_trumpers haven't organized and popped p-mags or put forth a better candidate? All I have heard and seen for 3.5 years is a lot of whining because voters refused the candidate you wanted which brought about the never happy with Trump bitch fest...What happens if Trump gets elected in 2020, another 4 years of bitch fest because voters still refuse to vote for your guy? What about 2024? 2028? Is the bitch fest ever going to end or are you guys eventually going to realize that there is no perfect candidate that everyone will vote for? Honestly, what has 3.5 years of bitching actually accomplished?
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There is a difference between loving everything, and labeling shit I don't like as unconstitutional.  Crazy huh?
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Trump doesn't really understand guns or the gun community.
LOL.  Based on the new "special snowflake" CoC here, I don't think many people understand the gun community.  
Hell,I don't understand the gun community-supposed to be pro 2nd Amendment,but constantly support those who pass laws against it.
We are to the Republican Party what black people are to the Democrats.
Yep.

And like the blacks,most are proud of it.........
I always envisioned our relationship with the Republican party as looking like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T575Pbo4eWM
That's the thing,we do have somewhere else to go.

BUT,that whole support the team shit keeps most tied to it (like the blacks with the dems).

Someday the two choices will be between slightly lesser evils.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://youtu.be/l7l9QmtiXHU

25 yr old cartoon sums up the stupidity of the people..............
What is the other option?  A third party?
Yes,BUT,it only works if the majority want smaller gov.,less spending,and an original 2nd Amendment.And we know that's not the case,so some of us will vote 3rd party,and the rest will obediently pull the R lever no matter what,and we'll get the government we deserve................
So the parties are representing what the majority want?  That's shocking in a representative government.  If only the minority had a recourse in a representative government.
Like a constitution?? That only works for a little while, our politicians and judges burned ours decades ago.
How so?  Just saying shit like that doesn't magically make it true
Are you serious?
Yes, certainly you can provide ample evidence that the constitution does not apply today, right?
Yes I do
https://gov.ecfr.io
Start there
If you finish before you die of old age let me know.
So what part of the constitution do these regulations violate?
Almost every amendment.
And goes way beyond the powers originally granted.
But you know that already.
So you can't identify what part in particular these regulation violate in the constitution? Or you just don't want to say?
So what is your game? You love everything exactly the way it is and there is never anything wrong? The .gov is always right no matter how wrong they are?
There is a difference between loving everything, and labeling shit I don't like as unconstitutional.  Crazy huh?
So all gun laws are constitutional.
The dam Trump Russia investigation was absolutely 100% constitutional secret courts and all.

Recording every bit of electronic data perfectly fine.
The billions of other regs yep those are all good.
How many agencies do we have... doesn’t matter
What do they do.... doesn’t matter
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Interestingly enough the idea of making a show by not voting for the person you don't agree with 100% that some are advocating is exactly what I hope happens this November in Virginia. It's my only hope to stay a free state. We won't pick up more Republican votes so I hope the Dem voters are demoralized enough to not vote for the Democrat candidates.

Don't vote for Trump of you are a one issue voter. But don't pretend in races as close as we face in elections these days that you aren't helping to elect progressive socialism in America.

Me, I will just have to keep voting in primaries, writing letters and encouraging others.
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Trump doesn't really understand guns or the gun community.
LOL.  Based on the new "special snowflake" CoC here, I don't think many people understand the gun community.  
Hell,I don't understand the gun community-supposed to be pro 2nd Amendment,but constantly support those who pass laws against it.
We are to the Republican Party what black people are to the Democrats.
Yep.

And like the blacks,most are proud of it.........
I always envisioned our relationship with the Republican party as looking like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T575Pbo4eWM
That's the thing,we do have somewhere else to go.

BUT,that whole support the team shit keeps most tied to it (like the blacks with the dems).

Someday the two choices will be between slightly lesser evils.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://youtu.be/l7l9QmtiXHU

25 yr old cartoon sums up the stupidity of the people..............
What is the other option?  A third party?
Yes,BUT,it only works if the majority want smaller gov.,less spending,and an original 2nd Amendment.And we know that's not the case,so some of us will vote 3rd party,and the rest will obediently pull the R lever no matter what,and we'll get the government we deserve................
So the parties are representing what the majority want?  That's shocking in a representative government.  If only the minority had a recourse in a representative government.
Like a constitution?? That only works for a little while, our politicians and judges burned ours decades ago.
How so?  Just saying shit like that doesn't magically make it true
Are you serious?
Yes, certainly you can provide ample evidence that the constitution does not apply today, right?
Yes I do
https://gov.ecfr.io
Start there
If you finish before you die of old age let me know.
So what part of the constitution do these regulations violate?
Almost every amendment.
And goes way beyond the powers originally granted.
But you know that already.
So you can't identify what part in particular these regulation violate in the constitution? Or you just don't want to say?
So what is your game? You love everything exactly the way it is and there is never anything wrong? The .gov is always right no matter how wrong they are?
There is a difference between loving everything, and labeling shit I don't like as unconstitutional.  Crazy huh?
So all gun laws are constitutional.
The dam Trump Russia investigation was absolutely 100% constitutional secret courts and all.

Recording every bit of electronic data perfectly fine.
The billions of other regs yep those are all good.
How many agencies do we have... doesn’t matter
What do they do.... doesn’t matter
Is there no recourse when the government oversteps?  Some of the things you list I believe are not constitutional, but my views are not universally held.  Some of the other things you list are perfectly constitutional, but I do not like the policy.  Just because the government has overstepped its authority or violated some rights does not mean the constitution is no longer adhered to.  Why do you think that Jefferson made the argument in the Declaration that it was a "long train of abuses" that gave them the authority to change governments?
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While Trump himself will deny it, and he's made statements contradicting it, I got the impression that Tump is uninterested in firearms and basically followed NRA leadership's very public stances in his positions on gun issues in cases that have angered many here.

If we want Trump's gun position modified we're going to have to get him to listen to another pro-gun org or change the NRA's leadership to more reflect a no compromise pro-gun rights stance.

Trump himself said that NRA is a paper tiger... and he's right.  When nobody gives attention to NRA because it compromises on 2nd Amendment is becomes politically irrelevant.

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He's advocated in the past for one.

There's also his infamous meeting with Feinstein and Schumer where he openly derided the Hearing Protection Act and seemed to advocate for extreme red flag laws and a new AWB.

Put that together with his completely unnecessary push for the bump stock ban, and recent comments about suppressors where he "doesn't like them".

I think he's perfectly fine with a new AWB after the election.
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If it's so bad how come all you never_trumpers haven't organized and popped p-mags or put forth a better candidate? All I have heard and seen for 3.5 years is a lot of whining because voters refused the candidate you wanted which brought about the never happy with Trump bitch fest...What happens if Trump gets elected in 2020, another 4 years of bitch fest because voters still refuse to vote for your guy? What about 2024? 2028? Is the bitch fest ever going to end or are you guys eventually going to realize that there is no perfect candidate that everyone will vote for? Honestly, what has 3.5 years of bitching actually accomplished?
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You think these clowns are never-Trumpers?  Or did they back up the truck on bumpstocks hoping to turn a 10X profit in a "pre-ban" market that never materialized?
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Gun owners are the Republican Party's Black people.
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I love him too. I don't love all the things he does and doesn't do. You can love your neighbor without condoning or enabling his bad behavior
Link Posted: 8/2/2019 9:59:43 PM EDT
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As I've posted before many times, Trump is the best pro-RKBA President in many decades.

With Pelosi running the House, and so-called "conservatives" electing Democrat Senators in states like Alabama, West Virginia, Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Nevada, Arizona, and Montana last year, we won't see any pro-RKBA legislation until 2024 at the earliest.  Unless you want to cut a deal with the dems....

Therefore the only way to impact change at the national level is with judicial rulings.  Trump is doing a great job at this.  2 outstanding USSC judges.  A record number of circuit court judges.  99 district court judges.  And many more on the way.
Link Posted: 8/2/2019 10:12:40 PM EDT
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Big picture for the losers here:

1) Over the last 25 years we've gone from a handful of CCW states to 40+.  We've gone from two "constitutional carry" states to 17.  MOST of this was accomplished by Republicans getting elected, and incrementally changing things.  The "all or none" clowns here would have rather elected democrats instead of Republicans, who while not perfect, at least advanced the pro-RKBA agenda very slowly.  (Yes, I realize there are a handful of leftist GOP governors, but those are the exception, not the rule.)

2) If Trump wins in 2020, based on historical averages, he will get to appoint between 100 and 200 more judges at the circuit and district court levels, AND an unknown number of Supreme Court judges.  This would solidify an originialist court for 15 or so years.  Or you have Biden/Warren/Harris/Sanders picking judges.

3) If Trump wins in 2020, his "hostile takeover" of the GOP will be solidified.  This will allow a new generation of MAGA leaders to rise through the GOP ranks.

4) If Trump loses in 2020, the GOPe/Bush/RINO wing will attempt to retake the party.  They are currently in the minority, BUT if Trump loses, they will blame Trump for allowing an awful Democrat to get elected.  There is a good chance they will convince enough GOP voters to pick an "electable" candidate in 2024, and we know how that always works out....
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Compared to the alternative...
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And there it is.

2 party system working as intended
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Someone called...?

My comment in this thread is... Watch what a politician *does* not what a politician says.

Watch what laws, budgets, and formal orders are made by a President.

Pay little attention to public statements and statements made to cheering crowds. They mean very little in the end.

Watch very carefully what they actually *do.*

I think with certain, bombastic, over-the-top politicians, what they *say* is so exciting and bombastic, some folks ignore (or even justify) the politicians formal actions that violate their bombastic original statements and false promises.

Conservatives are educated.

Conservatives study, read, and analyze the actions of politicians... We pay attention to their, "Conservative Review," grades. We are educated.

Watch what a politician actually does... Not what a politician says.

If you are a conservative, you watch what a politician does. You criticize, and condemn those who do not keep their campaign promises.
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I’m convinced.

I’m Going to vote for the Democrat candidate in the 2020 general election.
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Libertarian party, always :) Never voted for DJT and that ship will never turn around with his anti 2A rhetoric and policies.
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Libertarian party, always :) Never voted for DJT and that ship will never turn around with his anti 2A rhetoric and policies.
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What is the other option?  A third party?
Libertarian party, always :) Never voted for DJT and that ship will never turn around with his anti 2A rhetoric and policies.
Mondale would have been an amazing President.
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I won't be surprised if he pushes a new AWB if he's re-elected.
Why?
Hillary voter.

Plain and simple.

Fuck ton of those fucks in this thread.
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Mondale Ron Paul <3 would have been an amazing President.
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What is the other option?  A third party?
Libertarian party, always :) Never voted for DJT and that ship will never turn around with his anti 2A rhetoric and policies.
Mondale Ron Paul <3 would have been an amazing President.
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What is the other option?  A third party?
Libertarian party, always :) Never voted for DJT and that ship will never turn around with his anti 2A rhetoric and policies.
Mondale Ron Paul <3 would have been an amazing President.
. Minnesota...
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How does that "lesser evil" part play out in the long run?
It's that whole #gottasupporttheteam mindset-Make excuses/justifications/defenses/counter accusations when our side passes gun control (or increase spending,expands the size of gov.,etc..) and bitch about the left doing it.
What is this long term plan of lesser evil each time going to give us?
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Candidate Trump made a lot of pro 2A comments.  President Trump is a gun banner at heart, but he was and will continue to be the lesser of evils.
How does that "lesser evil" part play out in the long run?
It's that whole #gottasupporttheteam mindset-Make excuses/justifications/defenses/counter accusations when our side passes gun control (or increase spending,expands the size of gov.,etc..) and bitch about the left doing it.
What is this long term plan of lesser evil each time going to give us?
The ability to say, "Awww man... that SUCKS! But at least it was one of our own. Would've been worse if it was one of them".

Personally, I think it sucks even worse, when the person who supposedly has your back, instead deliberately stabs you in the back.

I'd rather face the guy whom I know wants to stab me in the face, because I'm ready to fight them tooth and nail.

Other folks have already voiced it though; if you value the 2A, vote for the candidates who've proven that they're pro-2A, not the ones who are anti-2A, or the ones who claim to be pro-2A, but have shown that they're willing to pass anti-2A.

Don't spout that BS about, "Yeah, but that candidate can't beat the Dems", because THAT'S how you keep supporting further erosion of the 2A. By continually showing ALL the candidates that they CAN pass anti-2A stuff without consequences.

If, and only if, they realize, "Hey, there's a significant block of voters who won't support you if you pass ANYTHING anti-2A", will they understand not to keep passing anti-2A stuff.

But as it stands now, they know it doesn't matter, because folks let them slide when they pass anti-2A stuff, with the, "Who else we gonna vote for?" sheeple mentality.
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Hillary voter.

Plain and simple.

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I doubt you could match my credentials as a conservative.

BTW- I voted for Trump, was hoping for Ted Cruz to get the nod.
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Dont vote for gun grabbers.(democraps)
If that is too hard for you,
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Damn,you prove your own point............. Trump knows the vast majority of gun owners will; support him no matter what,so he can play some lip service.

This is why we are where we are,and where we are headed.

What do you get when you reward bad behavior instead of holding them accountable???
Solution?  Please?
Dont vote for gun grabbers.(democraps)
If that is too hard for you,
Don’t promise to vote for gun grabbers.(democraps)
Fixed it for you.

I support Trump but he is painfully ignorant of the 2nd amendment and gun culture. Hopefully he'll take some clues from those in his administration who are better informed. I have seen zero progun democraps in my life. Clearly there are those here who are "democrats first" and Americans second.
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LOL, it doesn't matter if you heard for 100 years, it is something that applies to every election.  You have a choice of someone not great and someone who will be terrible.  One of those two is going to win.  Scream at the sky all you want about 3rd parties but they have accomplished nothing over those same 30 years.

What you should be doing is spending time and money to help pro-gun candidates in the primary.  But doing nothing and then bitching about the results is much easier.
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Nope.
That is not a choice.

Both of them are going to win and you are going to lose.

Every
Single
Time

Your choice is to remove consent.

Trump is a choice to harasss the Democrats and I might vote for him again but quit bullshitting us.

This isn't a game we will win without disobedience.

Voting is a joke.
Violent upheaval, disobedience, political pain and radical activism works. The Democrats know this.
Look at this country.
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Naked kangaroo?
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He should call for WLP to step down.
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Not really. The leadership is disintegrating, and WLP should step down and retire, but the 5 million members like myself - we're still here. Because the NRA leadership turned out to be two faced embezzling bastiges doesn't mean I or any other NRA member will suddenyl vote Demonrat. However, I see many NRA members also joining Second Amendment Foundation and Gun Owners of America.
Link Posted: 8/3/2019 9:40:04 AM EDT
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Let’s see if he can win without using Cambridge Analytica and the Russians.
Link Posted: 8/3/2019 9:42:35 AM EDT
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The alternative is much worse
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Is he talking?

Who listens?

I know he doesn’t like silencers.

ETA: the lesser of 2 evils is still evil.jpeg
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