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Link Posted: 9/17/2024 4:50:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:



From some photos some definitely wish they were dead.

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I wonder how many lost their balls.

The pager is small, and it seems many carried them in the front pocket.





From some photos some definitely wish they were dead.

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Link Posted: 9/17/2024 4:51:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By K0UA:

I have never seen the utility of a "protest vote". Protesting to whom? What good will it do or what good has it done in the past? Just throwing your vote away.

I see it much the same way as Russel Crowe did in the movie "Master and Commander", when he chose the "lesser of two weevils".

Sure it is a rotten hand we are dealt this time, but I am going to choose the "lesser of two weevils" I am voting Trump. Mrs "word salad is just a brainless dolt. We will have 4 more years of going down the toilet, only worse.

There you have it. I have decided. I don't vote for dead people.
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Originally Posted By voyager3:
Originally Posted By Capta:
That’s how we ended up with two bad candidates and why we’ll end up with ever worse candidates, because in every election it will be presented as “VOTE FOR YOUR TEAM - SLIGHTLY LESS BAD THAN THE OTHER TEAM.”  I will never do that again.
There are places where a judgment call is warranted, but this is not one of them.  Both parties served up a hard no.  I’m open to third party, but likely not the Libertarian this year.

Which is exactly how Ukraine got Yanukovich in 2013. Way too many people thought they were making a statement by either not voting or voting for a protest candidate.

I have never seen the utility of a "protest vote". Protesting to whom? What good will it do or what good has it done in the past? Just throwing your vote away.

I see it much the same way as Russel Crowe did in the movie "Master and Commander", when he chose the "lesser of two weevils".

Sure it is a rotten hand we are dealt this time, but I am going to choose the "lesser of two weevils" I am voting Trump. Mrs "word salad is just a brainless dolt. We will have 4 more years of going down the toilet, only worse.

There you have it. I have decided. I don't vote for dead people.

Try to name an instance where people boycotting an election in protest accomplished anything other than handing the government over to bad guys uncontested.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 5:27:08 PM EST
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Pagers from Taiwan, AP924s     Link to liveblog articles below

Israel carried out its operation against Hezbollah on Tuesday by hiding explosive material within a new batch of Taiwanese-made pagers imported into Lebanon, according to American and other officials briefed on the operation.

The pagers, which Hezbollah had ordered from Gold Apollo in Taiwan, had been tampered with before they reached Lebanon, according to some of the officials. Most were the company’s AP924 model, though three other Gold Apollo models were also included in the shipment.

The explosive material, as little as one to two ounces, was implanted next to the battery in each pager, two of the officials said. A switch was also embedded that could be triggered remotely to detonate the explosives.

At 3:30 p.m. in Lebanon, the pagers received a message that appeared as though it was coming from Hezbollah’s leadership, two of the officials said. Instead, the message activated the explosives. Lebanon’s health minister told state media at least nine people were killed and more than 2,800 injured.

The devices were programmed to beep for several seconds before exploding, according to three of the officials.

Hezbollah has accused Israel of orchestrating the attack but has described limited details of its understanding of the operation. Israel has not commented on the attack, nor said it was behind it.

The American and other officials spoke on the condition of anonymity given the sensitive nature of the operation.

Independent cybersecurity experts who have studied footage of the attacks said it was clear that the strength and speed of the explosions were caused by a type of explosive material.

“These pagers were likely modified in some way to cause these types of explosions — the size and strength of the explosion indicates it was not just the battery,” said Mikko Hypponen, a research specialist at the software company WithSecure and a cybercrime adviser to Europol.

Keren Elazeri, an Israeli cybersecurity analyst and researcher at Tel Aviv University, said the attacks had targeted Hezbollah where they were most vulnerable.

Earlier this year, Hezbollah’s leader, Hassan Nasrallah, strictly limited the use of cellphones, which he saw as increasingly vulnerable to Israeli surveillance, according to some of the officials as well as security experts.

“This attack hit them in their Achilles’ heel because they took out a central means of communication,” Ms. Elazeri said. “We have seen these types of devices, pagers, targeted before but not in an attack this sophisticated.”

Over 3,000 pagers were ordered from the Gold Apollo company in Taiwan, said several of the officials. Hezbollah distributed the pagers to their members throughout Lebanon, with some reaching Hezbollah allies in Iran and Syria. Israel’s attack affected the pagers that were switched on and receiving messages.
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According to a report from Al-Monitor; a Month-Long Operation by Israeli Security and Intelligence Agencies to Detonate several Thousand Encrypted Pagers that had been Boobytrapped and provided to Senior Hezbollah Leaders, was forced to be carried out Early; after Hezbollah had become Suspicious of the Pagers, with Two Members of Hezbollah having somehow Discovered the Plot, leading to one of them being Eliminated, and the Pagers then being Detonated before the other could provide the Organization with a Warning.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 5:30:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

Try to name an instance where people boycotting an election in protest accomplished anything other than handing the government over to bad guys uncontested.
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Originally Posted By K0UA:
Originally Posted By voyager3:
Originally Posted By Capta:
That’s how we ended up with two bad candidates and why we’ll end up with ever worse candidates, because in every election it will be presented as “VOTE FOR YOUR TEAM - SLIGHTLY LESS BAD THAN THE OTHER TEAM.”  I will never do that again.
There are places where a judgment call is warranted, but this is not one of them.  Both parties served up a hard no.  I’m open to third party, but likely not the Libertarian this year.

Which is exactly how Ukraine got Yanukovich in 2013. Way too many people thought they were making a statement by either not voting or voting for a protest candidate.

I have never seen the utility of a "protest vote". Protesting to whom? What good will it do or what good has it done in the past? Just throwing your vote away.

I see it much the same way as Russel Crowe did in the movie "Master and Commander", when he chose the "lesser of two weevils".

Sure it is a rotten hand we are dealt this time, but I am going to choose the "lesser of two weevils" I am voting Trump. Mrs "word salad is just a brainless dolt. We will have 4 more years of going down the toilet, only worse.

There you have it. I have decided. I don't vote for dead people.

Try to name an instance where people boycotting an election in protest accomplished anything other than handing the government over to bad guys uncontested.


I can't think of a one.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 5:40:22 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/17/2024 5:51:50 PM EST
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fuck you, no
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 5:52:40 PM EST
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According to a report from Al-Monitor; a Month-Long Operation by Israeli Security and Intelligence Agencies to Detonate several Thousand Encrypted Pagers that had been Boobytrapped and provided to Senior Hezbollah Leaders, was forced to be carried out Early; after Hezbollah had become Suspicious of the Pagers, with Two Members of Hezbollah having somehow Discovered the Plot, leading to one of them being Eliminated, and the Pagers then being Detonated before the other could provide the Organization with a Warning.
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It sucks the plan was compromised, but it shows the depth at which they are in the Hezbollah network.

Or

This was always the plan and the narrative.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 5:55:09 PM EST
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I’ve seen some of his ideas over this summer

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/rfk-jr-foreign-policy-views-ukraine-israel-military-spending/

Link Posted: 9/17/2024 5:55:55 PM EST
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It sucks the plan was compromised, but it shows the depth at which they are in the Hezbollah network.

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This was always the plan and the narrative.
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Either way, Israel is all up in that ass.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 6:01:05 PM EST
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Not real comforting thinking about those port cranes from the other day. Or everything civilian really
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That is a pretty big deal. Some people still think China needs us more than we need them. If the US tried to intervene over Taiwan, they could probably brick our port facilities, cutting us off from imports, on which we are DEEPLY dependent. It's not rubber puke and whoopie cushions, it's pharmaceuticals, tools, and machines. We'd be screwed. How many pharmaceuticals do we get ONLY from China anymore? The port cranes and the pharmaceuticals were spectacularly dumb choices on our part. Foreign trade is one of those powers that the Federal government rightfully has, and are expected to exercise for our benefit.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 6:06:58 PM EST
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Fuck it. I'm going back to a rotary phone landline and handwritten letters
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Find Plan C. You can't dial out on a rotary phone. You can answer and talk.

I do still have the old family Western Electric plugged into the wall as a conversation piece ("conversation piece" -- that's a joke, son, I say a joke).
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 6:13:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By vahog:


Find Plan C. You can't dial out on a rotary phone. You can answer and talk.

I do still have the old family Western Electric plugged into the wall as a conversation piece ("conversation piece" -- that's a joke, son, I say a joke).
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Originally Posted By BlackHoleSon:

Fuck it. I'm going back to a rotary phone landline and handwritten letters


Find Plan C. You can't dial out on a rotary phone. You can answer and talk.

I do still have the old family Western Electric plugged into the wall as a conversation piece ("conversation piece" -- that's a joke, son, I say a joke).

Wat?




Link Posted: 9/17/2024 6:18:35 PM EST
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The trickle was a failed strategy. You go big, hard, and fast. Had we done that in 2021-2022, Ukraine could have won this by now - saving many thousands of lives on both sides. By mid 2025, our supplies of key items will be too low (besides the items that are already too low), which will make it about the right time for China to go hot on Philippines.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 6:26:11 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/17/2024 6:33:37 PM EST
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Nothing says “Peace through strength” like gutting a gutted military.

Sounds like plenty will get duped one way or another.


I guess China ain’t that big a deal after all.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 6:41:52 PM EST
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There's nothing for the US to negotiate. We can't cede Ukraine's territory, only they can, and they said they won't. So we can cut off aid and leave Ukraine to fight on their own, earning scorn & derision for turning our backs on another genocide in Europe. And surrender in the face of threats is the worst possible option. When someone threatens you and you give up, you invite threats and blackmail forever. When you pay the Danegeld, you never get rid of the Dane, or something like that. Can you imagine the geopolitical impact of a US surrender to Russia? I don't think the isolationists really think about the second and third-order effects.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 6:48:24 PM EST
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My guess would be that the US is too advanced for pulse dialing, so only tone dialing works. Haven't had a landline in ages.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 6:54:27 PM EST
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I don't know if that's just the battery going off, but it seems someone was in the manufacturing cycle to put something extra in the devices that were knowingly going to Hamas to be used.
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holy shit


I don't know if that's just the battery going off, but it seems someone was in the manufacturing cycle to put something extra in the devices that were knowingly going to Hamas to be used.

Or it was a black bag job to replace a quantity of legit pagers with a quantity of doctored pagers.

The one thing I haven’t yet seen anyone consider is the possibility that, if they hacked/doctored the Hezbollah pager network, they could easily have ELINT via the pagers on their whole network.  Where they went, what they said, who they met, everything.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 6:56:31 PM EST
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The memes will flow forever on this one.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 7:04:31 PM EST
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The memes will flow forever on this one.
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paging Doctor Ackbar.

why wont the doctor answer his pager?
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 7:08:12 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/17/2024 7:15:46 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/17/2024 7:25:43 PM EST
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Daily Ukraine map thread for Tuesday 17th September 2024

Highlights: Once again, a very tough day for Ukraine with very little good news.

Ukrainian HIMARS strike hits Russian training ground, killing many. It is the same training ground that has been hit numerous times before

Russian forces conquer Ukrainsk raising flags across it, as well as achieve almost total control over Hrodivka.

Russian forces advance in Kursk, showing assault on Borki as well as geolocated a few km west of Nikolaevo-Darino, confirming Ukraine withdrew from the Gordeevka area entirely

Russian forces advance another few streets into Toretsk.

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Link Posted: 9/17/2024 7:26:21 PM EST
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News from the front. Robert Brovdi “Madyar”, Pavlo Palisa, Ihor Obolienskyi
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 7:29:10 PM EST
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and all the people in this thread that will vote for him will express shock in a few months when he goes through with it.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 7:49:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise:

paging Doctor Ackbar.

why wont the doctor answer his pager?
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Originally Posted By Capta:

The memes will flow forever on this one.

paging Doctor Ackbar.

why wont the doctor answer his pager?

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Link Posted: 9/17/2024 7:49:53 PM EST
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I am not convinced it was Israel, though I can rationalizes reason, it seems odd that Israel would risk international condemnation with actions that will be labeled as terror at this point in the war.  It was certainly a bold move and you must respect the diabolical nature of the event but who is ultimately gain to gain from this?  Is aid going to be suspended and the region going to rally behind Iran?  Is a third party hopping for a much bigger retaliation that will set the stage for a larger conflict?  My gut says when every news agency on the planet references the same secret source from a highly classified operation that the intent is deception.  All conjecture, but I am skeptical as fuck.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 7:50:56 PM EST
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They got the Iranian ambassador to Lebanon. He had a device on him in Beirut.
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Damn they exposed everyone that was in the terror ring. Fuckin nice!
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 7:51:08 PM EST
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yeah, seems like there is something extra here.

A battery w/ 10% charge is way less energetic than one w/ 90% charge.

I’m not an engineer, so interested to find out how it was done.

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Kevin hart and Dwayne johnson Office scene in the central intelligence
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 7:52:25 PM EST
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Damn they exposed everyone that was in the terror ring. Fuckin nice!
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"Terror ring" that is good.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 7:53:38 PM EST
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I am not convinced it was Israel, though I can rationalizes reason, it seems odd that Israel would risk international condemnation with actions that will be labeled as terror at this point in the war.  It was certainly a bold move and you must respect the diabolical nature of the event but who is ultimately gain to gain from this?  Is aid going to be suspended and the region going to rally behind Iran?  Is a third party hopping for a much bigger retaliation that will set the stage for a larger conflict?  My gut says when every news agency on the planet references the same secret source from a highly classified operation that the intent is deception.  All conjecture, but I am skeptical as fuck.
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I think this is just the start of a bigger play.  If they inserted doctored pagers into Hezbollah, IMO it’s extremely likely they could do more than just blow up.  Israel might have their whole network mapped out.
What do they do with it?
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 8:00:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Capta:

I think this is just the start of a bigger play.  If they inserted doctored pagers into Hezbollah, IMO it’s extremely likely they could do more than just blow up.  Israel might have their whole network mapped out.
What do they do with it?
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Since Israel had possession of the pagers and inserted explosives.  They most likely add a RFID chip to everyone as well.  It would explain how they have been able to kill so many Hezbollah operatives.  They most likely had real time tracking on 4,000+ members. With that data they own Hezballoh.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 8:10:41 PM EST
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Why blow the cover though they could have droned all 4k of them without anyone knowing how they were tracked, unless they were compromised and this was a last ditch to get some use out of an very long and expensive operation.  Israel ruthless and clever I wouldn't expect them to risk so much for so little, there has to be more.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 8:13:38 PM EST
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Why blow the cover though they could have droned all 4k of them without anyone knowing how they were tracked, unless they were compromised and this was a last ditch to get some use out of an very long and expensive operation.  Israel ruthless and clever I wouldn't expect them to risk so much for so little, there has to be more.
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Supposedly two members of Hezbollah figured out Israel was using the pagers to track them. Israel droned one of them and decided the pagers were now a use it or lose it asset.  So they blew them up.  I imagine they would of liked to save it for when they invaded southern Lebanon.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 8:14:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Alexein:
I am not convinced it was Israel, though I can rationalizes reason, it seems odd that Israel would risk international condemnation with actions that will be labeled as terror at this point in the war.  It was certainly a bold move and you must respect the diabolical nature of the event but who is ultimately gain to gain from this?  Is aid going to be suspended and the region going to rally behind Iran?  Is a third party hopping for a much bigger retaliation that will set the stage for a larger conflict?  My gut says when every news agency on the planet references the same secret source from a highly classified operation that the intent is deception.  All conjecture, but I am skeptical as fuck.
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Interesting thought.  Besides Israel, who else?
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 8:19:41 PM EST
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My two thoughts are Israel did this with the intent of hammering anyone who retaliates, or Israel is being framed for this with the intent to justify something Huge that needs regional acceptance, both seem too obvious, like that is the intent.  What are the bot farms pushing?
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 8:20:52 PM EST
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JFC. These dipshits probably would tried to pay off Vikings back in the day. “Surely, that’s the last we’ll see of them.”
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 8:21:18 PM EST
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My two thoughts are Israel did this with the intent of hammering anyone who retaliates, or Israel is being framed for this with the intent to justify something Huge that needs regional acceptance, both seem too obvious, like that is the intent.  What are the bot farms pushing?
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Well no one seems to be upset over this besides Lebanon and Hezbollah.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 8:24:40 PM EST
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I'm reading in excess of 2,700 pagers affected.
Great OP, much respect.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 8:31:25 PM EST
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That also doesn't make sense to me, I don't understand why the entire planet isn't loosing their minds and Israel hasn't offered some sort of statement claiming they had nothing to do with the event, weather they did or did not.  A side effect of discovering Hezbollah it will show who is an ally of Israel, while everyone is quietly checking their pagers.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 8:33:53 PM EST
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In total, in the direction of Konotop, 3 groups of UAVs.
Also past Lebedyn / district in the direction of Poltava region.

In Chernihiv region, he took a course to Pryluky.

Konotop - corridors!


https://t.me/eRadarrua/23975



💥 Sumy under attack by two strike UAVs.
Explosions were heard in the city.


https://t.me/war_monitor/20824

Link Posted: 9/17/2024 8:35:20 PM EST
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I'm reading in excess of 2,700 pagers affected.
Great OP, much respect.
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To maintain the secrecy and have that many enemy combatants simultaneously injured/killed. Bravo
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 8:40:38 PM EST
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2104ET, and TASS is slow.


Air defense forces continue to repel a massive UAV attack in Toropets, Tver Region, authorities reported.

https://t.me/tass_agency/273406


❗️Partial evacuation of the population of Toropets from the territory where air defense forces are working and extinguishing a fire will be carried out in the Tver region by decision of the governor, the authorities reported.

https://t.me/tass_agency/273407


Videos

Video report for GUR ... 18.09 ...

Tver region. Detonation of a warehouse of ammunition.


https://t.me/exilenova_plus/2249



Tver region. ... video report.

https://t.me/exilenova_plus/2250

Link Posted: 9/17/2024 8:42:20 PM EST
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Well no one seems to be upset over this besides Lebanon and Hezbollah.
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Link Posted: 9/17/2024 8:42:33 PM EST
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That also doesn't make sense to me, I don't understand why the entire planet isn't loosing their minds and Israel hasn't offered some sort of statement claiming they had nothing to do with the event, weather they did or did not.  A side effect of discovering Hezbollah it will show who is an ally of Israel, while everyone is quietly checking their pagers.
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Why would the planet be losing their minds over this? lol Dude are you upset that Israel did this?

Israel is notorious for not saying anything.
Link Posted: 9/17/2024 8:43:38 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/17/2024 8:44:30 PM EST
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The downed drone fell onto the roadway in the city of Yelnya in the Smolensk region.

In total, 7 UAVs were shot down and suppressed by air defense and electronic warfare forces in the cities of Yelnya and Roslavl.

There were no casualties or damage as a result of the falling debris. Emergency services are working on the ground.


https://t.me/bazabazon/31331

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