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![]() <--- I literally just posted a pic of me in a condor shell and a Shemahg. DO YOU EVEN OPERATE BRO. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I spent more time in the middle east than I care to remember and even in 2003 we still clowned on people still wearing shemaghs and pakool hats in theater that was sooo 2001 and only the real deal wore that shit to try to blend in while running around some mountainside in Afganistan. Now all these years later I see tons of goofballs wearing those softshell jackets with gay ass morale patches all over them and a fucking shemagh. NONE of them served in the military and they have more shit on them than any SF guy I ever saw. If they wanted to emulate real "Operators" they would wear normal looking shit, not Condor garbage which barely stands up to a few washings. ![]() <--- I literally just posted a pic of me in a condor shell and a Shemahg. DO YOU EVEN OPERATE BRO. I laughed at you, your neck scarf thingy and your shitty jacket. Thanks for the laugh bro. ![]() ZA |
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Quoted: I laughed at you, your neck scarf thingy and your shitty jacket. Thanks for the laugh bro. ![]() ZA View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I spent more time in the middle east than I care to remember and even in 2003 we still clowned on people still wearing shemaghs and pakool hats in theater that was sooo 2001 and only the real deal wore that shit to try to blend in while running around some mountainside in Afganistan. Now all these years later I see tons of goofballs wearing those softshell jackets with gay ass morale patches all over them and a fucking shemagh. NONE of them served in the military and they have more shit on them than any SF guy I ever saw. If they wanted to emulate real "Operators" they would wear normal looking shit, not Condor garbage which barely stands up to a few washings. ![]() <--- I literally just posted a pic of me in a condor shell and a Shemahg. DO YOU EVEN OPERATE BRO. I laughed at you, your neck scarf thingy and your shitty jacket. Thanks for the laugh bro. ![]() ZA ![]() Anytime!!! |
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All of you guys saying you wear them in the winter -
Serious question. Aren't they cotton? I'm from the "cotton kills" school of cold weather gear, unless it's an outer windstop layer. Seems like it would be a terrible choice for having against major arteries in the winter. ![]() |
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Quoted: All of you guys saying you wear them in the winter - Serious question. Aren't they cotton? I'm from the "cotton kills" school of cold weather gear, unless it's an outer windstop layer. Seems like it would be a terrible choice for having against major arteries in the winter. ![]() View Quote *shrug* It works great. I took a three day night rifle class in the dead of winter and it kept me nice and toasty. |
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I think they are cotton. *shrug* It works great. I took a three day night rifle class in the dead of winter and it kept me nice and toasty. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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All of you guys saying you wear them in the winter - Serious question. Aren't they cotton? I'm from the "cotton kills" school of cold weather gear, unless it's an outer windstop layer. Seems like it would be a terrible choice for having against major arteries in the winter. ![]() *shrug* It works great. I took a three day night rifle class in the dead of winter and it kept me nice and toasty. Tell me it was somewhere colder than AL. |
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Quoted: All of you guys saying you wear them in the winter - Serious question. Aren't they cotton? I'm from the "cotton kills" school of cold weather gear, unless it's an outer windstop layer. Seems like it would be a terrible choice for having against major arteries in the winter. ![]() View Quote Which, like my neck of the woods, it's not as big of an issue most of the year. Also, they are so big, that when you wrap them around they warm up quickly and insulate well (adds up to a lot of layers and TONS of airspace). So unless they got 100% saturated it's a non-issue, especially in mild climates like where I live. Where I live, if it's cold (cold in Seattle being 25-30 degree's) it's not going to be wet. If it's wet, it's not going to be that cold. In fact, mine is warm enough that keeping it wrapped tight, I'll stay warm in temperatures and a light jacket, that without it I'd have to wear a heavy jacket and beanie. Also, when you're wearing them for comfort, not survival... you can just take it off. |
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Quoted: In the old days we took a od green Cravat out of the first aid kits and wore them in similar ways. we called them "Go to hell rags" you kids call our M-16's Muskets View Quote Us old timers had to use a brown hand towel around our necks and a cravat to be tacitool.
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I'm not military, but I've spent a lot of time in the ME. I bought my first shemagh out in the desert in Saudi before I was ever into firearms or spent time browsing photos of special forces stuff. I still wear mine when I'm out hunting. Sometimes I use them as a gun sock also. |
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Real ones are cotton/wool blend, and were developed in a region where cotton doesn't kill. Which, like my neck of the woods, it's not as big of an issue most of the year. Also, they are so big, that when you wrap them around they warm up quickly and insulate well (adds up to a lot of layers and TONS of airspace). So unless they got 100% saturated it's a non-issue, especially in mild climates like where I live. Where I live, if it's cold (cold in Seattle being 25-30 degree's) it's not going to be wet. If it's wet, it's not going to be that cold. In fact, mine is warm enough that keeping it wrapped tight, I'll stay warm in temperatures and a light jacket, that without it I'd have to wear a heavy jacket and beanie. Also, when you're wearing them for comfort, not survival... you can just take it off. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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All of you guys saying you wear them in the winter - Serious question. Aren't they cotton? I'm from the "cotton kills" school of cold weather gear, unless it's an outer windstop layer. Seems like it would be a terrible choice for having against major arteries in the winter. ![]() Which, like my neck of the woods, it's not as big of an issue most of the year. Also, they are so big, that when you wrap them around they warm up quickly and insulate well (adds up to a lot of layers and TONS of airspace). So unless they got 100% saturated it's a non-issue, especially in mild climates like where I live. Where I live, if it's cold (cold in Seattle being 25-30 degree's) it's not going to be wet. If it's wet, it's not going to be that cold. In fact, mine is warm enough that keeping it wrapped tight, I'll stay warm in temperatures and a light jacket, that without it I'd have to wear a heavy jacket and beanie. Also, when you're wearing them for comfort, not survival... you can just take it off. Makes sense I guess. Just seemed counter intuitive to me. |
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Tell me it was somewhere colder than AL. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I think they are cotton. *shrug* It works great. I took a three day night rifle class in the dead of winter and it kept me nice and toasty. Tell me it was somewhere colder than AL. ![]() Twas the dead of winter............... a frigid 47 degrees. |
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I have a couple I was issued in the British Army I can't bring myself to throw out.
I probably will never wear them again as I don't play dress up to go shooting. |
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Quoted: Tell me it was somewhere colder than AL. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: All of you guys saying you wear them in the winter - Serious question. Aren't they cotton? I'm from the "cotton kills" school of cold weather gear, unless it's an outer windstop layer. Seems like it would be a terrible choice for having against major arteries in the winter. ![]() *shrug* It works great. I took a three day night rifle class in the dead of winter and it kept me nice and toasty. Tell me it was somewhere colder than AL. ![]() 30something degrees. Thats fuggin cold. |
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Quoted: ![]() Twas the dead of winter............... a frigid 47 degrees. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think they are cotton. *shrug* It works great. I took a three day night rifle class in the dead of winter and it kept me nice and toasty. Tell me it was somewhere colder than AL. ![]() Twas the dead of winter............... a frigid 47 degrees. ![]() ROFL |
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30 degrees ![]() ROFL View Quote We bottomed out at 15 below before wind chill this year and other parts of the state hit -35. And then you got those guys in the Dakotas and Minnesota that were negative 40 or worse. That's fuggin' cold. Too cold to go shoot, or go outside at all for that matter so yes, between that and the fact that the women down there can wear short shorts 315 days a year, you win. ![]() |
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Tier one shit.
I live in the desert. I camp in the desert. I shoot in the desert. I bought one, learned how to tie it and wore it once while shooting. What do you know? The people living in the African and Arab deserts know what they're doing - much cooler than a boonie hat. ![]() |
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A square of cloth has been a companion of the outdoorsman for hundreds of years over several continents. It's certainly not exclusive to the ME.
A square of fabric of about 1 yard is a very handy thing to have in the woods or desert. Serves as a scarf, head covering, towel, bandage, sling, hot pad. wet it for a cooling neck wrap, gather wild edibles, etc. The list is long. Silk was preferred by the longhunters on this continent circa late 1700s. Wearing a shemagh to the range is a little poserish. Wearing one (or a silk kerchief or similar) in the bush or on a campout is just utilitarian. http://www.thequartermastergeneral.com/?category=18_cloth&morepics=true&id=1151 |
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They have their uses. Good for keeping rotor wash out of your face. https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31.0-8/324565_10100350186615189_368440814_o.jpg View Quote I tried that once. It was fucking awesome. My neck didn't get sand blasted for once when getting on the CH-47. I was like "I'm totally wearing this every time I deal with helicopters, fuckin eh!" Then I got off the helicopter. If got sucked off my kit and the last time I saw it it was 100+ feet in the air being taken by the wind like a kite into the southern korengal. Bye smegahgahghasdhgahs. You are missed. ![]() |
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They're called Palestine Scarves here, and only Communists wear them.
It's hilarious that it's considered "tactical" by some. |
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They're called Palestine Scarves here, and only Communists wear them. It's hilarious that it's considered "tactical" by some. View Quote I think this may be the first of these threads - in as many as we have had - where the old do-rag, "drive-on" rag has come up. When I first came in the Army, all the old salty farts swore by them, but the big Army uniformity drone CSM types hated them. As mentioned, the utility and practicality is well established in western tradition - the Boy Scout neckerchief didn't exactly come out of nowhere, and every cliche American western has the Cavalry troopers with their yellow bandanas. What I can't figure out is the people who act like the idea was invented somewhere between Iraq and Afghanistan. I can understand acquiring these things in the filed, when the military fails to provide you with such a useful piece of gear. What I can't fathom is the people who buy them elsewhere. |
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In the old days we took a od green Cravat out of the first aid kits and wore them in similar ways. we called them "Go to hell rags" you kids call our M-16's Muskets View Quote Being tier 100^100 and only served during the 'Cold War', I'm not cool enough to "rock" a shemahg. ![]() |
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I've got one in my footlocker. I've washed it several times but I can't get the bloodstain out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I have one, but have never worn it. I don't think I ever will. I've got one in my footlocker. I've washed it several times but I can't get the bloodstain out. ![]() |
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Wish I could find some of those old cravats, I'd wear those in the summer. Being tier 100^100 and only served during the 'Cold War', I'm not cool enough to "rock" a shemahg. ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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In the old days we took a od green Cravat out of the first aid kits and wore them in similar ways. we called them "Go to hell rags" you kids call our M-16's Muskets Being tier 100^100 and only served during the 'Cold War', I'm not cool enough to "rock" a shemahg. ![]() They're all over on E-bay. http://www.ebay.com/bhp/bandage-muslin-compressed |
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Quoted: There's one goofball in my office that will tie his into a complete facemask at his desk before he leaves for the day if it is exceptionally cold outside. One day I swear he's going to get shot by the guards if he startles them. ![]() Kharn View Quote Ask him if he has the balls to wear this. From 'The Shining' collection. ![]() |
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Hey, look at what I found at Joann's fabrics:
http://www.joann.com/sew-essentials-unbleachd-muslin-36in/7791601.html#start=1 Why anyone would pay 10x this, and claim it is for practicality, not fashion, is beyond me. |
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In the old days we took a od green Cravat out of the first aid kits and wore them in similar ways. we called them "Go to hell rags" you kids call our M-16's Muskets Being tier 100^100 and only served during the 'Cold War', I'm not cool enough to "rock" a shemahg. ![]() http://www.ebay.com/bhp/bandage-muslin-compressed ![]() A case of 24 cravats is cheaper than a single shemahg. |
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THANKS!! ![]() A case of 24 cravats is cheaper than a single shemahg. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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In the old days we took a od green Cravat out of the first aid kits and wore them in similar ways. we called them "Go to hell rags" you kids call our M-16's Muskets Being tier 100^100 and only served during the 'Cold War', I'm not cool enough to "rock" a shemahg. ![]() http://www.ebay.com/bhp/bandage-muslin-compressed ![]() A case of 24 cravats is cheaper than a single shemahg. Tacticool isn't cheap. |
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In Russian, they are often called simply "Arafatskis" ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They're called Palestine Scarves here, and only Communists wear them. It's hilarious that it's considered "tactical" by some. In Russian, they are often called simply "Arafatskis" ![]() ![]() |
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I have Balaclavas I use to keep my head and neck warm in the fall and winter when hunting. No need for a ME replacement.
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ARFCOM knitting circle is all hopped up on Earl Grey again... Enjoy your Saturday Ladies.
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Winter time? Neck Gator
Summer time/sand/whatever.. Cravat bandage is the best choice. |
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I've got one I'll sell you for $87. I think it's made by KAC. Tier 1, bro. ![]() EDIT- When I was in the sand, they were a big no no. Apparently if they caught on fire you were fooked. So we were issued fire resistant baclavas, which absolutely nobody wore. Got no use for a shemaganoggin but tell me more about these fire resistant baclavas........ http://media.merchantcircle.com/4039182/BAKLAVA_full.jpeg http://www.schampa.com/v/vspfiles/photos/BLCLV008-00-2.jpg ![]() Baccala? |
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This site used to sell old school scarfs: http://www.ushist.com/img/mens/images/qm-1714_bandana_wild-rag_neck-scarf_l.jpg Now they are discontinued... guess they couldn't compete with the new tacticool trend. I wonder if they had marketed them as "American Shemaghs" instead of "scarfs" if they would have had more success? View Quote We call those wild rags and all the cowboys wear them in the winter out here. All of them I've seen were made of silk. |
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This site used to sell old school scarfs: http://www.ushist.com/img/mens/images/qm-1714_bandana_wild-rag_neck-scarf_l.jpg Now they are discontinued... guess they couldn't compete with the new tacticool trend. I wonder if they had marketed them as "American Shemaghs" instead of "scarfs" if they would have had more success? View Quote Most of the modern copies of scarves and kerchiefs are made too small. The ones I posted are 35" square and that'd be the minimum of usefulness. From what I've read, 3.5' tended to be more common. They tended to be silk or if that was unaffordable or unavailable, linen. Cotton was expensive. |
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Hey, look at what I found at Joann's fabrics: http://www.joann.com/sew-essentials-unbleachd-muslin-36in/7791601.html#start=1 Why anyone would pay 10x this, and claim it is for practicality, not fashion, is beyond me. View Quote The muslin is quite a bit tighter weave. Not exactly the same. |
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Most of the modern copies of scarves and kerchiefs are made too small. The ones I posted are 35" square and that'd be the minimum of usefulness. From what I've read, 3.5' tended to be more common. . View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This site used to sell old school scarfs: http://www.ushist.com/img/mens/images/qm-1714_bandana_wild-rag_neck-scarf_l.jpg Now they are discontinued... guess they couldn't compete with the new tacticool trend. I wonder if they had marketed them as "American Shemaghs" instead of "scarfs" if they would have had more success? Most of the modern copies of scarves and kerchiefs are made too small. The ones I posted are 35" square and that'd be the minimum of usefulness. From what I've read, 3.5' tended to be more common. . That's why I really like that 1 square yard of muslin from Joann's. Seems almost perfect. I'm half-tempted to check them out in a store and see how sheer they are. |
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they've become so ridiculously poser, it could be a proven fact that wearing one doubles your chance to survive, and I'll go without it. I think unless you were actually IN delta force or the seals, the Middle East, or were, and are actually either IN a sandstorm, or IN Iraq or Afghanistan at that very moment, it's poser. I only saw one person wearing one at a gun range that wasn't poser. It was a ridiculously hot chick shooting a 10/22 while wearing a shemeagh but it matched her outfit and I bet a hundred dollars if I asked her where she got her tactical shemaagh, she'd have said "this old scarf thing?" View Quote Pics? Was she with her boyfriend? And if she was, why did you not piss on him to establish dominance before fucking her over the benchrest? Inquiring minds want to know. |
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That's why I really like that 1 square yard of muslin from Joann's. Seems almost perfect. I'm half-tempted to check them out in a store and see how sheer they are. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This site used to sell old school scarfs: http://www.ushist.com/img/mens/images/qm-1714_bandana_wild-rag_neck-scarf_l.jpg Now they are discontinued... guess they couldn't compete with the new tacticool trend. I wonder if they had marketed them as "American Shemaghs" instead of "scarfs" if they would have had more success? Most of the modern copies of scarves and kerchiefs are made too small. The ones I posted are 35" square and that'd be the minimum of usefulness. From what I've read, 3.5' tended to be more common. . That's why I really like that 1 square yard of muslin from Joann's. Seems almost perfect. I'm half-tempted to check them out in a store and see how sheer they are. There're all kinds of unbleached muslin. From what looks like window shears to what you could make jeans out of and looks home spun. It's used as a cheap imitation of linen among the historical reenactor types. Makes shirts, breeches, rifle patches, etc. The link I posted earlier has silk ones. Silk has some properties which make the kerchief more useful for a lot of things, also warmer for winter use. |
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I spent more time in the middle east than I care to remember and even in 2003 we still clowned on people still wearing shemaghs and pakool hats in theater that was sooo 2001 and only the real deal wore that shit to try to blend in while running around some mountainside in Afganistan. Now all these years later I see tons of goofballs wearing those softshell jackets with gay ass morale patches all over them and a fucking shemagh. NONE of them served in the military and they have more shit on them than any SF guy I ever saw. If they wanted to emulate real "Operators" they would wear normal looking shit, not Condor garbage which barely stands up to a few washings. View Quote The entire reason my team used them was to present a different silhouette at night when we looking for bad guys in 2003. There's always going to be the haters that weren't allowed to leave the wire. That's ok though, I'd be pissed too if I had to stay in TOC. ![]() |
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