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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:03:04 PM EDT
[#1]
It would be hard for a company to profit from it.
Very few normies would buy one, very few of us would buy more than one. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:03:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bet it cant be done for under $1k. I'll bet it can't be done for less than a Les Baer or Nighthawk Custom 1911 would cost. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:05:11 PM EDT
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I would think as with some other World War era stuff there would be an increase demand from younger groups thanks to video games and movies. Though I don’t know I would like to have one as it’s a historic and iconic piece never seen one I would remotely afford except maybe some of the rimfire copies.
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:06:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol It's okay to not know what you are talking about. You don't have to post and let everyone know.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Europeans don't know shit about handguns ... lol It's okay to not know what you are talking about. You don't have to post and let everyone know. 
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:07:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll bet it can't be done for less than a Les Baer or Nighthawk Custom 1911 would cost. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bet it cant be done for under $1k. I'll bet it can't be done for less than a Les Baer or Nighthawk Custom 1911 would cost. I’m really interested in why you believe that. 
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:10:59 PM EDT
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I really like Lugers, but one of the biggest drawbacks to the design is it doesn't lend to a red dot sight. That alone is a pretty major downside which no one would have probably mentioned 10 years ago.
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:12:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As already mentioned, it would be too expensive to manufacture. Guns in the Luger’s day, and the Luger in particular, needed a lot of really precise machine work done by hand. Remember, the Wehrmacht didn’t replace the Luger because it was a bad gun or they didn’t like it, it was just too expensive in comparison to other short recoil automatic pistols. 3D printing could and probably will eventually make reproductions of guns like that more economically viable. I don't want to be anywhere near someone touching off a cartridge in a 3D printed gun. MIM has a bad enough rep. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:14:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Polymer with a light rail and RMR mount and I'm in! And integral suppressor. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:14:48 PM EDT
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I'd be all over a $1000 or less modern Luger I could go shoot without worry. Can't justify and couldn't really enjoy an original but always wanted one
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:20:27 PM EDT
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Would a Broomhandle Mauser be ridiculous to make as well?
Nothing against the Luger... but for stupid fanboi appeal... |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:21:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Broomhandle Mauser please.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:22:21 PM EDT
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Lugers are still pretty affordable, especially if you only want a shooter. They made millions of the damn things.
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:28:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As already mentioned, it would be too expensive to manufacture. Guns in the Luger’s day, and the Luger in particular, needed a lot of really precise machine work done by hand. Remember, the Wehrmacht didn’t replace the Luger because it was a bad gun or they didn’t like it, it was just too expensive in comparison to other short recoil automatic pistols. 3D printing could and probably will eventually make reproductions of guns like that more economically viable. This. Winchester didn't stop making the 63 because it was obsolete. They quit making it because it was too expensive to manufacture. The Smith and Wesson 41 is going the same way. Skilled labor is expensive, and if you look at the products made in the 50's and 60's, it is readily apparent that we now have parts assemblers, and not craftsmen, making guns. If you want a rough mass produced piece of shit that functions, with today's technology it could happen. If you want a "refined" version, then you're going to have to have a skilled craftsman make it, and it's going to cost A LOT. People don't want nice guns, or complex guns anymore. They want cheap, matte finished, mass produced things that go bang. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:29:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you simply must needs have one, and have the coin, I'm sure you can have someplace with the requisite CNC 3d printing and machining capability run you off one. More likely than awaiting a production run. You will soon discover how much it sucks as a usable handgun design, but it's your money. Nonsense. They’re striker fired 9mm pistols with a thumb safety. They’re outmoded (steel frame, simgle stack) and can’t compete on cost in today’s market, but they’re plenty usable. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:30:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lugers are still pretty affordable, especially if you only want a shooter. They made millions of the damn things. There is a fairly accurate guess in Simson Lugers. (Military as well as commercial; but not including reworks) -DWM- approx. 818,000 (Jan Still-- 743,000 military; 74,955 commercial) - Erfurt- approx. 519,000 (Jan Still-- no commercial made; just P.08's and LP.08's - Simson- approx. 11,900 (Authors-- all military and police; no commercial made) - Krieghoff- approx. 13,825 (Randall Gibson-- 12,200 Luftwaffe; 1,625 commercial) - Mauser- approx. 943,500 (Jan Still- 900,000 military; 43,000 Commercial Banner) - Swiss- 47,701 (Datig- from 1918 to 1947; 45,784 military and 1,917 commercial) So that's around 2,350,000 give or take. 
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:32:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't mean to imply that there haven't been some nifty handguns designed and produced in Europe, but the PO8 Luger wasn't one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Europeans don't know shit about handguns ... lol It's okay to not know what you are talking about. You don't have to post and let everyone know. I didn't mean to imply that there haven't been some nifty handguns designed and produced in Europe, but the PO8 Luger wasn't one. You’re trying to step out of the hole that you dug, but you’re making it deeper. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:34:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't want to be anywhere near someone touching off a cartridge in a 3D printed gun. MIM has a bad enough rep. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As already mentioned, it would be too expensive to manufacture. Guns in the Luger’s day, and the Luger in particular, needed a lot of really precise machine work done by hand. Remember, the Wehrmacht didn’t replace the Luger because it was a bad gun or they didn’t like it, it was just too expensive in comparison to other short recoil automatic pistols. 3D printing could and probably will eventually make reproductions of guns like that more economically viable. I don't want to be anywhere near someone touching off a cartridge in a 3D printed gun. MIM has a bad enough rep. I said “eventually” metal 3D printing is absolutely the future of industrial manufacturing. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:35:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: With SA bringing back the hi-power, would there be a market for the Luger in a similar guise, or is it obsolete and irrelevant? I would guess it would be complex and expensive to manufacture, but the SA P35 costs less than I expected. What do you guys think? I have never fired one, but always liked the looks. I don't even know anyone who owns one. Until the late '70s, Mauser made one that was imported by Interarms. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:35:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Broomhandle Mauser please. Yeah broomhandle first. I don't want the company getting cancelled for Nazi lugers and we miss out on more c96 pistols. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:37:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really like Lugers, but one of the biggest drawbacks to the design is it doesn't lend to a red dot sight. That alone is a pretty major downside which no one would have probably mentioned 10 years ago. Grip mounted cantilever or barrel mounted. No, the greatest drawback is the P-08's inability to function when dirty. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:39:03 PM EDT
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I would bet a luger couldn't even made today that matches a WW1 German. Probably be 10k, just guessing.
I can tell who is posting and has never held one in their hand and taken one apart. The amount of craftsmanship involved in one is unreal. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:43:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a fairly accurate guess in Simson Lugers. (Military as well as commercial; but not including reworks) -DWM- approx. 818,000 (Jan Still-- 743,000 military; 74,955 commercial) - Erfurt- approx. 519,000 (Jan Still-- no commercial made; just P.08's and LP.08's - Simson- approx. 11,900 (Authors-- all military and police; no commercial made) - Krieghoff- approx. 13,825 (Randall Gibson-- 12,200 Luftwaffe; 1,625 commercial) - Mauser- approx. 943,500 (Jan Still- 900,000 military; 43,000 Commercial Banner) - Swiss- 47,701 (Datig- from 1918 to 1947; 45,784 military and 1,917 commercial) So that's around 2,350,000 give or take. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lugers are still pretty affordable, especially if you only want a shooter. They made millions of the damn things. There is a fairly accurate guess in Simson Lugers. (Military as well as commercial; but not including reworks) -DWM- approx. 818,000 (Jan Still-- 743,000 military; 74,955 commercial) - Erfurt- approx. 519,000 (Jan Still-- no commercial made; just P.08's and LP.08's - Simson- approx. 11,900 (Authors-- all military and police; no commercial made) - Krieghoff- approx. 13,825 (Randall Gibson-- 12,200 Luftwaffe; 1,625 commercial) - Mauser- approx. 943,500 (Jan Still- 900,000 military; 43,000 Commercial Banner) - Swiss- 47,701 (Datig- from 1918 to 1947; 45,784 military and 1,917 commercial) So that's around 2,350,000 give or take. I'd feel like a comfortable guess at 1/4 of that number, maybe even more, would be classified as "lost"; destroyed, buried, disappeared, etc between all of the wars and whatnot that they were involved in. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:52:35 PM EDT
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IIRC, there were only 4 sets of machines, prints, tooling, and gauges extant in Europe for Luger production. Swiss, DWM, Erfurt, and Krieghoff. Mauser acquired the tooling from either DWM or Erfurt, and the Krieghoff factory had the most modern up to date set up.
I'd consider a reproduction at the right price point. Though I collect German martial arms, I never delved into pistols, especially Lugers. Pockets not deep enough, and lots of sharks in the water. Have seen a few high end big $ fakes exposed. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:56:01 PM EDT
[#24]
It'd be absurdly expensive to make, cost more than buying an old one, and they are just not good guns by modern standards.
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:56:58 PM EDT
[#25]
Yes. Make any and all of the 9x19 guns.
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:59:52 PM EDT
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Lugerman has a web site, and they make some truly beautiful stuff. IIRC, base cost is around $4900, with a classic model (without internal modernizations) for around $9500. Unless I had far more "mad money" to spend on other guns, I can think of many more firearms I would buy with that kind of money. Especially be use the Luger would mostly be a range toy.
But, then again, if I won the lottery and had more money than good sense, why not order a few. They even had a 10mm model... |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:01:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lugerman has a web site, and they make some truly beautiful stuff. IIRC, base cost is around $4900, with a classic model (without internal modernizations) for around $9500. Unless I had far more "mad money" to spend on other guns, I can think of many more firearms I would buy with that kind of money. Especially be use the Luger would mostly be a range toy. But, then again, if I won the lottery and had more money than good sense, why not order a few. They even had a 10mm model... |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:04:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would bet a luger couldn't even made today that matches a WW1 German. Probably be 10k, just guessing. I can tell who is posting and has never held one in their hand and taken one apart. The amount of craftsmanship involved in one is unreal. Stoeger did it. It wasn't a 10k gun either. I have one and it actually works. I have never tried to interchange anything with any of my real Lugers and I doubt it would. You can't hardly interchange side plates from 2 org. Lugers. Lugers were mass produced, so I think it could be done. A C96 on the other hand. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:06:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stoeger did it. It wasn't a 10k gun either. I have one and it actually works. I have never tried to interchange anything with any of my real Lugers and I doubt it would. You can't hardly interchange side plates from 2 org. Lugers. Lugers were mass produced. A C96 on the other hand. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I would bet a luger couldn't even made today that matches a WW1 German. Probably be 10k, just guessing. I can tell who is posting and has never held one in their hand and taken one apart. The amount of craftsmanship involved in one is unreal. Stoeger did it. It wasn't a 10k gun either. I have one and it actually works. I have never tried to interchange anything with any of my real Lugers and I doubt it would. You can't hardly interchange side plates from 2 org. Lugers. Lugers were mass produced. A C96 on the other hand. Isn’t like every part on a 96 fitted to slide into a spot that holds another piece in place and like completely hand fitted? |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:14:01 PM EDT
[#30]
With a few tweaks
 
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:14:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't mean to imply that there haven't been some nifty handguns designed and produced in Europe, but the PO8 Luger wasn't one. Well, Borchardt spent most of his formative years learning machining and design in the United States (at Singer, Winchester, Sharps, etc.), so in a way the US is partially responsible for the bizarre Rube Goldberg device that is the Luger.
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:15:26 PM EDT
[#32]
The machining and fitting on them is really good.
1937 Mauser  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:17:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn’t like every part on a 96 fitted to slide into a spot that holds another piece in place and like completely hand fitted? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I would bet a luger couldn't even made today that matches a WW1 German. Probably be 10k, just guessing. I can tell who is posting and has never held one in their hand and taken one apart. The amount of craftsmanship involved in one is unreal. Stoeger did it. It wasn't a 10k gun either. I have one and it actually works. I have never tried to interchange anything with any of my real Lugers and I doubt it would. You can't hardly interchange side plates from 2 org. Lugers. Lugers were mass produced. A C96 on the other hand. Isn’t like every part on a 96 fitted to slide into a spot that holds another piece in place and like completely hand fitted? Yep, 1 screw and that is for the grips. Cleaning is not fun. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:17:39 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't mean to imply that there haven't been some nifty handguns designed and produced in Europe, but the PO8 Luger wasn't one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Europeans don't know shit about handguns ... lol It's okay to not know what you are talking about. You don't have to post and let everyone know. I didn't mean to imply that there haven't been some nifty handguns designed and produced in Europe, but the PO8 Luger wasn't one. Oh - then we are on the same page. I think there were definitely better designs available in 1908. I thought you were saying ALL European handguns were terrible. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:19:14 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Broomhandle Mauser please. Broom handle that takes Colt 9mm subgun mags please. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:22:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Make that $2K for a base model. Way too many machining operations. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bet it cant be done for under $1k. Make that $2K for a base model. Way too many machining operations. Yup, there are a few classic designs I don't see ever returning to production because of machining complexity alone Lugers and swiss schmidt rubins are probably at the top of that list. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:23:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Broom handle that takes Colt 9mm subgun mags please. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Broomhandle Mauser please. Broom handle that takes Colt 9mm subgun mags please. That comes with a flush one to load from stripper clips still shipped in a shoulder stock holster with cleaning kit. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:25:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stoeger made a stainless one in the 90's. It didn't last. Came to post this. I made attempts to order one. This was in the days before the internet. I was told "can't find one" every single time. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:25:12 PM EDT
[#39]
There was a company making them in the 80's and they didn't sell well then. I just don't see them making it today large scale. Same with the High Power and I had one and liked it. It looks archaic now.
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:26:05 PM EDT
[#40]
I'd buy a new manufacturer Luger and I have a lot of Lugers.
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:30:20 PM EDT
[#41]
I love the idea of a repro Luger, Borchart, Broomhandle, and some of the other early pistols. The cost would be insane and for me I would rather throw that money at a shooter grade original.
I wonder if metal 3d printing could pave the way to printing out the parts and fit/assemble at home? |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:32:27 PM EDT
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I owned one—interesting gun, but I would rather see a PSM in .22LR, .25ACP or .32ACP for a thin, easy to carry gun. Like the Walther TPH but ergonomic. The Browning hammerless is nearly 3/4” and disappears IWB carry.
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:33:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:35:58 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Winchester didn't stop making the 63 because it was obsolete. They quit making it because it was too expensive to manufacture. The Smith and Wesson 41 is going the same way. Skilled labor is expensive, and if you look at the products made in the 50's and 60's, it is readily apparent that we now have parts assemblers, and not craftsmen, making guns. If you want a rough mass produced piece of shit that functions, with today's technology it could happen. If you want a "refined" version, then you're going to have to have a skilled craftsman make it, and it's going to cost A LOT. People don't want nice guns, or complex guns anymore. They want cheap, matte finished, mass produced things that go bang. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As already mentioned, it would be too expensive to manufacture. Guns in the Luger’s day, and the Luger in particular, needed a lot of really precise machine work done by hand. Remember, the Wehrmacht didn’t replace the Luger because it was a bad gun or they didn’t like it, it was just too expensive in comparison to other short recoil automatic pistols. 3D printing could and probably will eventually make reproductions of guns like that more economically viable. This. Winchester didn't stop making the 63 because it was obsolete. They quit making it because it was too expensive to manufacture. The Smith and Wesson 41 is going the same way. Skilled labor is expensive, and if you look at the products made in the 50's and 60's, it is readily apparent that we now have parts assemblers, and not craftsmen, making guns. If you want a rough mass produced piece of shit that functions, with today's technology it could happen. If you want a "refined" version, then you're going to have to have a skilled craftsman make it, and it's going to cost A LOT. People don't want nice guns, or complex guns anymore. They want cheap, matte finished, mass produced things that go bang. This is a real issue—I tried to get S&W to swap a pinned Model 66 back to a 4” from 2” barrel & they said they don’t have the tooling nor people to do it, so I had to find a gunsmith |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:46:34 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: this is funny, but imagine the torture that red dot sight would get https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2275/3288A5F6-0C94-40F0-B9EB-86FB731904FC_jpe-2146338.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2275/8D83C1C3-2B43-454B-9521-A3918DEC8B6C_jpe-2146339.JPG  Slow Motion: The P08 Luger  Firearm Demonstration: Luger Lange Pistole 08 |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 2:47:59 PM EDT
[#46]
Honestly I would prefer a modern p38.
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Posted: 10/28/2021 3:01:30 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a real issue—I tried to get S&W to swap a pinned Model 66 back to a 4” from 2” barrel & they said they don’t have the tooling nor people to do it, so I had to find a gunsmith Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: As already mentioned, it would be too expensive to manufacture. Guns in the Luger’s day, and the Luger in particular, needed a lot of really precise machine work done by hand. Remember, the Wehrmacht didn’t replace the Luger because it was a bad gun or they didn’t like it, it was just too expensive in comparison to other short recoil automatic pistols. 3D printing could and probably will eventually make reproductions of guns like that more economically viable. This. Winchester didn't stop making the 63 because it was obsolete. They quit making it because it was too expensive to manufacture. The Smith and Wesson 41 is going the same way. Skilled labor is expensive, and if you look at the products made in the 50's and 60's, it is readily apparent that we now have parts assemblers, and not craftsmen, making guns. If you want a rough mass produced piece of shit that functions, with today's technology it could happen. If you want a "refined" version, then you're going to have to have a skilled craftsman make it, and it's going to cost A LOT. People don't want nice guns, or complex guns anymore. They want cheap, matte finished, mass produced things that go bang. This is a real issue—I tried to get S&W to swap a pinned Model 66 back to a 4” from 2” barrel & they said they don’t have the tooling nor people to do it, so I had to find a gunsmith It’s about like everything else there were only a few people who did those things anyway and when they were no longer needed regularly it no longer got taught to the next group. Colt and Pythons comes to mind. The process for bluing was to polish the gun with a wheel covered in leather. The prep work was the reason it looked as classy as it did and there were only like 6 people at any one time that were trained and qualified to do the work. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 3:07:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Came to post this. I made attempts to order one. This was in the days before the internet. I was told "can't find one" every single time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Stoeger made a stainless one in the 90's. It didn't last. Came to post this. I made attempts to order one. This was in the days before the internet. I was told "can't find one" every single time. I impulse bought an unfired 6" Stoeger 5-10 years ago for $500. I wanted a Luger but didn't want to pay the going rate for a decent original. It didn't last long, mainly because I started doing research on them and figured out what they were actually worth at that time. IIRC, the proceeds from that impulse buy netted me a free USP45 (used) and a free USP40C (new). Still haven't bought an original Luger. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 3:11:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lugers were thought to be too expensive to produce @$38. back in the 30's. That's from my poor memory of a Forgotten Weapons episode. That would be roughly $624.18 today |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 3:14:34 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That would be roughly $624.18 today Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lugers were thought to be too expensive to produce @$38. back in the 30's. That's from my poor memory of a Forgotten Weapons episode. That would be roughly $624.18 today and, in terms of a military issue handgun, that would be an extremely high cost to manufacture. |
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