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Posted: 12/1/2021 9:42:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just like Hodge right?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sons of liberty gun assemblers  Just like Hodge right? this guy gets it why the fuck is a Hodge rifle $8k on GB? |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 9:45:14 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet the drawing was even correct too.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I had an out of spec bolt release from their blaster pack Their kitchen scale said it weighed what it was supposed to. I bet the drawing was even correct too. tolerance stack up is a bitch |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 9:46:00 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For example, their sourced BCG selling for premium money: https://www.koshersurplus.com/product/solgw-sons-of-liberty-gunworks-5-56-bcg/ all made by toolcraft probably |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 9:47:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: all made by toolcraft probably They claim microbest and I believe it. Their bolts are pretty nice. |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 9:49:34 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: all made by toolcraft probably SOLGW BCGs are sourced from Microbest. |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 9:52:10 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: SOLGW BCGs are sourced from Microbest. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: all made by toolcraft probably SOLGW BCGs are sourced from Microbest. fair enough, took a guess and guessed wrong |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 11:57:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They sure do. Perhaps you should learn some of them. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/make https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/build SOLGW MAKES and BUILDS rifles and pistols. How do you feel about that? Assemble is the correct word. Would you say the make barrels? Or bcgs? |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 11:59:49 AM EDT
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Most people who overpay for brand x will defend that poor choice, emotionally and vociferously.
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Posted: 12/1/2021 12:09:52 PM EDT
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I have 2 complete SOLGW rifles & 1 that’s a factory upper mated to a factory lower. They’ve been great guns, appear to be from a great company that supports the 2nd Amendment and stands by their product.
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Posted: 12/1/2021 12:17:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Assemble is the correct word. Would you say the make barrels? Or bcgs? Quote HistoryQuoted: Assemble is the correct word. Would you say the make barrels? Or bcgs? According to the English language, MAKE or BUILD are correct. Does that bother you? I would say, once again, that they build rifles and pistols, because they do. I would not say they make barrels, they spec them. I don't know if their BCGs show up already assembled or not, and I don't really care. Quoted: Most people who overpay for brand x will defend that poor choice, emotionally and vociferously. I don't own a SOLGW gun, but why are they a poor choice specifically? |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 12:25:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SOLGW should not even be spoken in the same sentence as Knights Armament. Period. One is the very top of the food chain, the other a dumb boutique parts assembler. This. Also don’t like doing business with companies whose owner beats their mother up… |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 12:30:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Assemble is the correct word. Would you say the make barrels? Or bcgs? Imagine paying top dollar for a fucking BA barrel and microbest bcg lmao |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 12:33:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine paying top dollar for a fucking BA barrel and microbest bcg lmao I fail at multi quoting, but this is what I’m talking about here: Posted: Today 10:59:49 AM EST Most people who overpay for brand x will defend that poor choice, emotionally and vociferously. |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 12:33:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Also don’t like doing business with companies whose owner beats their mother up… And yet Knights has folks who are known to donate money to the Dems. Yet GD still swings from their nuts. |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 12:35:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet Knights has folks who are known to donate money to the Dems. Yet GD still swings from their nuts. Many govt contractors donate to both sides of the aisle. It’s good for business. |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 12:37:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many govt contractors donate to both sides of the aisle. It’s good for business. I'm aware, but it's funny what GD will protest about and then let slide because of "reasons". |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 12:46:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm aware, but it's funny what GD will protest about and then let slide because of "reasons". Yeah, people (especially GD) really like to pick and choose the principles they cheer on. It’s very entertaining. |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 12:52:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I fail at multi quoting, but this is what I’m talking about here: Posted: Today 10:59:49 AM EST Most people who overpay for brand x will defend that poor choice, emotionally and vociferously. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Imagine paying top dollar for a fucking BA barrel and microbest bcg lmao I fail at multi quoting, but this is what I’m talking about here: Posted: Today 10:59:49 AM EST Most people who overpay for brand x will defend that poor choice, emotionally and vociferously. Not exactly. How much is a ZEV/MEGA receiver set and wedge lock rail? Now add in a decent BCG, LPK, Vltor A5 system, Radian charging handle, NOX muzzle device, etc. I've built plenty of AR's, I have factory BCM's, Noveske's, PSA builds, LMT...bought and traded a bunch of brands and parts over the years. SOLGW definitely uses quality parts in their rifles and the majority of reviews I've seen are positive. All that said, my Noveske MK18 is my favorite and smooth as butter. Gen 2 lower with a DD LPK, Geissele SSA, Vltor A5 system, and the upper is a factory Noveske 10.5". |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 1:02:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: According to the English language, MAKE or BUILD are correct. Does that bother you? I would say, once again, that they build rifles and pistols, because they do. I would not say they make barrels, they spec them. I don't know if their BCGs show up already assembled or not, and I don't really care. I don't own a SOLGW gun, but why are they a poor choice specifically? When you say they spec barrels, are they specifying anything other than the caliber, profile, length, and gas port position and diameter? |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 1:05:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SOLGW should not even be spoken in the same sentence as Knights Armament. Period. One is the very top of the food chain, the other a dumb boutique parts assembler. LO fucking L, one is proprietary with almost unobtanium replacement parts and one strives to make the AR platform as good as it can while making sure "It has to fucking work" |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 1:05:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine paying top dollar for a fucking BA barrel and microbest bcg lmao The MSRP for a SOLGW-spec (and lifetime warranty) barrel is slightly under BA's Hanson series. Seems reasonable. I have two friends who own Son's BCGs, they bought them for $114. I thought that was probably the best deal in BCGs at the time. Times are a little different now, not sure what people are willing to bid on, but I guess that's their prerogative. |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 1:05:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not exactly. How much is a ZEV/MEGA receiver set and wedge lock rail? Now add in a decent BCG, LPK, Vltor A5 system, Radian charging handle, NOX muzzle device, etc. I've built plenty of AR's, I have factory BCM's, Noveske's, PSA builds, LMT...bought and traded a bunch of brands and parts over the years. SOLGW definitely uses quality parts in their rifles and the majority of reviews I've seen are positive. All that said, my Noveske MK18 is my favorite and smooth as butter. Gen 2 lower with a DD LPK, Geissele SSA, Vltor A5 system, and the upper is a factory Noveske 10.5". I would not pay top dollar for a gun built around that Barrel, that’s me. PSA manufacturers a majority of their own stuff, and even they use FN barrels (premium). And those guns are more affordable than said Instagram lords. I don’t put much stock in customer reviews, too much is subjective to the avg shooter. I do, however like to see proof groups with ragged holes. |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 1:08:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Name too long/10 Then go with Loyal 9 if you want minimum cringe
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Posted: 12/1/2021 1:09:43 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've had their stuff for years, hung out with them, been to both shops, etc. Bar none, you would be hard pressed to find another company that has as solid of people as SOLGW. They have done a fantastic job in the last 6 years and their reputation is well earned. For a website that loves to tear people down for slight political disagreements, please show me a company that is as "on our side" as them. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/275845/IMG_7633-2173941.jpg Show me a company that has a warranty that competes with theirs.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1nSFcapNXQThey are incredibly passionate about the AR15, as well as incredibly knowledgable. Their guns hold up to serious abuse. They source top tier parts, and QC all of them as they come in. They 100% stand behind their product. They build an incredibly solid rifle, that is inexpensive for what it is. There were a lot of manufacturers that started slacking on parts they sourced during the COVID debacle, in an attempt to keep up with demand. They did not. They are no compromise. They are my default gun I give out to people who don't own an AR these days. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/275845/DSC02119-2021844.jpg 100% agree. |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 1:10:08 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When you say they spec barrels, are they specifying anything other than the caliber, profile, length, and gas port position and diameter? I don't know how the metallurgy, tolerances, testing protocols, etc., differ from BA's own line. I don't know why Son's likes the gov profile so much, or why their 12.5 is designed to be the gassiest, those things puzzle me. I bet Mike would answer those questions, though, his contact info is all over the internet. |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 1:32:42 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would not pay top dollar for a gun built around that Barrel, that’s me. PSA manufacturers a majority of their own stuff, and even they use FN barrels (premium). And those guns are more affordable than said Instagram lords. I don’t put much stock in customer reviews, too much is subjective to the avg shooter. I do, however like to see proof groups with ragged holes. I think the price is reflected in the entirety of the parts used plus assembly, and BA barrels have a good reputation and have worked well for me on some other builds. PSA does manufacture a lot, including their nitride barrels, which could be part of why they can have lower prices...they also have mixed reviews and I've personally had issues with PSA stuff (crooked FSB on one upper, bent FSP on another, BCG extractor's out of spec) which they took care of-PSA has good customer service. The fit, finish and consistency on PSA isn't close to SOLGW, at least in my experience. |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 1:48:09 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know how the metallurgy, tolerances, testing protocols, etc., differ from BA's own line. I don't know why Son's likes the gov profile so much, or why their 12.5 is designed to be the gassiest, those things puzzle me. I bet Mike would answer those questions, though, his contact info is all over the internet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When you say they spec barrels, are they specifying anything other than the caliber, profile, length, and gas port position and diameter? I don't know how the metallurgy, tolerances, testing protocols, etc., differ from BA's own line. I don't know why Son's likes the gov profile so much, or why their 12.5 is designed to be the gassiest, those things puzzle me. I bet Mike would answer those questions, though, his contact info is all over the internet. I’d rather hear it from one of his engineers. He has those right? |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 1:52:21 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Great guys, great customer service, great product, fair prices. Boom. Excellent description of Rock River Arms 
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Posted: 12/1/2021 1:56:40 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d rather hear it from one of his engineers. He has those right? I don't know, but you seem to have a lot of specific questions, why don't you go ahead and call Mike and report back? |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 2:01:39 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would not pay top dollar for a gun built around that Barrel, that’s me. PSA manufacturers a majority of their own stuff, and even they use FN barrels (premium). And those guns are more affordable than said Instagram lords. I don’t put much stock in customer reviews, too much is subjective to the avg shooter. I do, however like to see proof groups with ragged holes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not exactly. How much is a ZEV/MEGA receiver set and wedge lock rail? Now add in a decent BCG, LPK, Vltor A5 system, Radian charging handle, NOX muzzle device, etc. I've built plenty of AR's, I have factory BCM's, Noveske's, PSA builds, LMT...bought and traded a bunch of brands and parts over the years. SOLGW definitely uses quality parts in their rifles and the majority of reviews I've seen are positive. All that said, my Noveske MK18 is my favorite and smooth as butter. Gen 2 lower with a DD LPK, Geissele SSA, Vltor A5 system, and the upper is a factory Noveske 10.5". I would not pay top dollar for a gun built around that Barrel, that’s me. PSA manufacturers a majority of their own stuff, and even they use FN barrels (premium). And those guns are more affordable than said Instagram lords. I don’t put much stock in customer reviews, too much is subjective to the avg shooter. I do, however like to see proof groups with ragged holes. >the guy complaining about SOLGW is a PSA fanboy 
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Posted: 12/1/2021 2:02:12 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d rather hear it from one of his engineers. He has those right? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: When you say they spec barrels, are they specifying anything other than the caliber, profile, length, and gas port position and diameter? I don't know how the metallurgy, tolerances, testing protocols, etc., differ from BA's own line. I don't know why Son's likes the gov profile so much, or why their 12.5 is designed to be the gassiest, those things puzzle me. I bet Mike would answer those questions, though, his contact info is all over the internet. I’d rather hear it from one of his engineers. He has those right? Like Geissele’s engineers that made the Maritime Bolt Catch? You know the ones that break. |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 2:10:47 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Like Geissele’s engineers that made the Maritime Bolt Catch? You know the ones that break. That’s always a risk when you design things. This is a risk that the company in question has avoided. |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 2:13:18 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: >the guy complaining about SOLGW is a PSA fanboy https://c.tenor.com/zHxkCmbNeR4AAAAC/imagine-my-shock-shocked.gif Solo is overpriced for the barrel it comes with. Maybe you missed the point. |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 2:17:14 PM EDT
[#34]
I had never heard of them until this past summer.
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Posted: 12/1/2021 2:22:20 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Also don’t like doing business with companies whose owner beats their mother up… Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: SOLGW should not even be spoken in the same sentence as Knights Armament. Period. One is the very top of the food chain, the other a dumb boutique parts assembler. This. Also don’t like doing business with companies whose owner beats their mother up…  Attached FileLol been waiting on this comment. How long until the owner drops in and leaves his cell number? |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 2:22:56 PM EDT
[#36]
I never really paid attention to them or researched them until people here started posting about the SOLGW/Geissele/Brownells collaboration upper. Looked like a decent upper but would rather have a Noveske 13.7 barrel.
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Posted: 12/1/2021 2:53:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s always a risk when you design things. This is a risk that the company in question has avoided. True, SOLGW hasn't bothered to design their very own bolt catch. I wouldn't either if I worked in some collaboration with FCD. It's not clear how much Son's was involved with the safety, but they sell it under their own name as well. Would you hold SOLGW in higher esteem if they designed their own critical components that had a reputation of snapping? |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 3:21:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/1/2021 3:30:55 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I never really paid attention to them or researched them until people here started posting about the SOLGW/Geissele/Brownells collaboration upper. Looked like a decent upper but would rather have a Noveske 13.7 barrel. You mean you wouldn't pay $1400 dollars for an upper with a Ballistic Advantage barrel? Why not?
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Posted: 12/1/2021 3:49:36 PM EDT
[#40]
I don’t remember which ones specifically or if they would be considered better or worse than BA, but I do recall them verifying that some SOLGW barrels are sourced from Rosco.
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Posted: 12/1/2021 3:55:05 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t remember which ones specifically or if they would be considered better or worse than BA, but I do recall them verifying that some SOLGW barrels are sourced from Rosco. Sage edition rifles have Rosco |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 4:07:11 PM EDT
[#42]
I remember when Kac/lmt fan boys were super fanatical over how good their stuff was. And it actually was. Hodge and the rest acting like they reinvented the wheel when in reality all they did was probably scour internet forums for mid to upper level quality companies and had them make parts for them. I don't know if they can be considered a boutique brand considering they don't make much of anything themselves.
Hodge, SOLGW, Tri-Arc, Zev, and probably another one I am forgetting all share a rail design or two, which is a decent mind you, but other than that they don't really do anything special. They build franken guns out of mostly good parts, slap some instamarketing on that shit so people online don't get shamed for having a franken build and call it a day. I will give FCD a pass as I get the feeling someone actually designed a lot their stuff instead of just making a build list and putting it together. If I was building a quality upper while trying to save money, I would get an Aero upper and rail, PSA CHF barrel, PSA microbest carrier, and whatever flavor of charging handle you prefer. |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 4:08:25 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t remember which ones specifically or if they would be considered better or worse than BA, but I do recall them verifying that some SOLGW barrels are sourced from Rosco. There is nothing wrong with Rosco barrels but at the end of the day they are a budget friendly brand. That said I have personally dealt with them ordering stock for a shop and they are good people. |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 4:14:36 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Im going to name my company guy who's been drinking bourbon for 3 hours riflewerkz
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Posted: 12/1/2021 4:15:35 PM EDT
[#45]
I just remembered I have a SOLGW gas block on one of my rifles, so I got that going for me. Which is nice.
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Posted: 12/1/2021 4:16:34 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: this guy gets it why the fuck is a Hodge rifle $8k on GB? Because people are fucking idiots and will buy it |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 4:17:19 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He caters to the gear queer autists on instagram who's only shooting is highly filtered pictures.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 4:19:47 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s always a risk when you design things. This is a risk that the company in question has avoided. Can't have any of the parts you designed break if you don't design any parts. |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 4:32:12 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember when Kac/lmt fan boys were super fanatical over how good their stuff was. And it actually was. Hodge and the rest acting like they reinvented the wheel when in reality all they did was probably scour internet forums for mid to upper level quality companies and had them make parts for them. I don't know if they can be considered a boutique brand considering they don't make much of anything themselves. How easy do you think it would be to shoot FN USA an email and have them manufacture a unique barrel to your exact specs for you? It's true that Jim Hodge does not manufacture barrels, nor any other component, from scratch in his home. He does have connections from working in the industry (and carrying a gun for a long time) though. He probably did not scour ARF to make his small company, that's patently absurd, sir. |
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Posted: 12/1/2021 4:34:45 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember when Kac/lmt fan boys were super fanatical over how good their stuff was. And it actually was. Hodge and the rest acting like they reinvented the wheel when in reality all they did was probably scour internet forums for mid to upper level quality companies and had them make parts for them. I don't know if they can be considered a boutique brand considering they don't make much of anything themselves. Hodge, SOLGW, Tri-Arc, Zev, and probably another one I am forgetting all share a rail design or two, which is a decent mind you, but other than that they don't really do anything special. They build franken guns out of mostly good parts, slap some instamarketing on that shit so people online don't get shamed for having a franken build and call it a day. I will give FCD a pass as I get the feeling someone actually designed a lot their stuff instead of just making a build list and putting it together. If I was building a quality upper while trying to save money, I would get an Aero upper and rail, PSA CHF barrel, PSA microbest carrier, and whatever flavor of charging handle you prefer. What’s funny is Hodge doesn’t act like he invented anything, he literally says he built a AR as if he was king for the day. SOLGW is the same way… they looked at the AR and said how can we make this the most reliable AR around. The barrel is a moot point considering that if you shoot it out they will replace for free, hell if your rifle burns up in a house fire they will replace it for free, use it in a shooting? Yep you guessed it Mike and company is sending you one until you get yours back from LE. |
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