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Posted: 10/22/2023 4:46:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fox2008: SpaceX should have started a countdown over a loudspeaker .might have motivated them to move quicker.  When the field guys get back to their regular projects they will probably find that the funding for whatever they were working on for the last year got blown on this SpaceX thing because noisy lawyers made noise with the backing of people that hate musk. |
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Posted: 10/22/2023 11:52:55 AM EST
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 SpaceX Full Stack Testing at Starbase - Starship 25 on Booster 9 |
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Posted: 10/23/2023 1:40:12 PM EST
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Ouch !
Some very dissenting quotes in here.  Starship Launch Update! SpaceX roasts the FAA!! Will it do any good? Is the FAA really to blame? |
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Posted: 10/23/2023 3:12:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Ouch ! Some very dissenting quotes in here.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7bNsc-pRkWhich quotes? I thought the angry astronaut was actually more reserved than in some of his other videos and seemed to be the voice of reason when he called out Lockett for being rabidly anti-Musk. |
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Posted: 10/23/2023 8:08:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkGray: Which quotes? I thought the angry astronaut was actually more reserved than in some of his other videos and seemed to be the voice of reason when he called out Lockett for being rabidly anti-Musk. He quoted several people that are in the 'loop' and it's not sounding very good. Did you watch the whole video ? I don't like the guy, but he brought up some very good points. |
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Posted: 10/23/2023 8:16:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: RhinelandArms]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Ouch ! Some very dissenting quotes in here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7bNsc-pRkI dont know why Musk does not cut a deal with Mexico and just build a bridge over the creek( thats what it really is) and launch from Mexico whenever they want. FAA and the fish guys should have no ability to hold up this sort of thing. |
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Posted: 10/23/2023 8:19:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: He quoted several people that are in the 'loop' and it's not sounding very good. Did you watch the whole video ? I don't like the guy, but he brought up some very good points. He heard some people say? Oh no |
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Posted: 10/23/2023 9:05:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RhinelandArms: I dont know why Musk does not cut a deal with Mexico and just build a bridge over the creek( thats what it really is) and launch from Mexico whenever they want. FAA and the fish guys should have no ability to hold up this sort of thing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RhinelandArms: Originally Posted By Dagger41: Ouch ! Some very dissenting quotes in here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7bNsc-pRkI dont know why Musk does not cut a deal with Mexico and just build a bridge over the creek( thats what it really is) and launch from Mexico whenever they want. FAA and the fish guys should have no ability to hold up this sort of thing. Probably not able to. As he mentioned back when they were first asking about hiring non Americans everything they do is highly regulated missle technology. I'd imagine setting up shop in Mexico would be tough unless you just moved the whole kit and kaboodle there. |
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Posted: 10/23/2023 10:00:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RhinelandArms: I dont know why Musk does not cut a deal with Mexico and just build a bridge over the creek( thats what it really is) and launch from Mexico whenever they want. FAA and the fish guys should have no ability to hold up this sort of thing. ITAR. |
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Posted: 10/23/2023 10:11:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: Fulcrum-5]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RhinelandArms: I dont know why Musk does not cut a deal with Mexico and just build a bridge over the creek( thats what it really is) and launch from Mexico whenever they want. FAA and the fish guys should have no ability to hold up this sort of thing. State Department don't like it when you unilaterally give a random country an ICBM capability.... AKA ITAR. |
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Posted: 10/23/2023 10:14:42 PM EST
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If he had originally set up in Mexico there would be nothing the US could to him.
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Posted: 10/23/2023 10:14:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RhinelandArms: I dont know why Musk does not cut a deal with Mexico and just build a bridge over the creek( thats what it really is) and launch from Mexico whenever they want. FAA and the fish guys should have no ability to hold up this sort of thing. ITAR. |
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Posted: 10/23/2023 10:15:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fulcrum-5: State Department don't like it when you unilaterally give a random country an ICBM capability.... AKA ITAR. Starship would be an ICBM with a heck of a throw weight. I think you could fit a Tzar Bomba in there.
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Posted: 10/23/2023 10:15:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shooter_gregg: If he had originally set up in Mexico there would be nothing the US could to him. SPACEX wouldn't be where it is now if it was based in Mexico. |
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Posted: 10/23/2023 10:38:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: SPACEX wouldn't be where it is now if it was based in Mexico. Correct. It would potentially be at least a mile or so further south. |
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Posted: 10/23/2023 11:16:56 PM EST
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I wonder how much the work visas would cost for all those guys if he moved.
Are all the parts/materials/consumables for what he's done even available there or would it have to be imported to Mexico? |
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Posted: 10/24/2023 4:40:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RiverSwine45: I wonder how much the work visas would cost for all those guys if he moved. Are all the parts/materials/consumables for what he's done even available there or would it have to be imported to Mexico? Other than a few unsanitary food trucks, I doubt it. |
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Posted: 10/24/2023 5:32:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Correct. It would potentially be at least a mile or so further south. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Originally Posted By Naffenea: SPACEX wouldn't be where it is now if it was based in Mexico. Correct. It would potentially be at least a mile or so further south. **golf clap** |
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Posted: 10/24/2023 7:55:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Correct. It would potentially be at least a mile or so further south.  |
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Posted: 10/24/2023 8:18:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Starship would be an ICBM with a heck of a throw weight. I think you could fit a Tzar Bomba in there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Originally Posted By Fulcrum-5: State Department don't like it when you unilaterally give a random country an ICBM capability.... AKA ITAR. Starship would be an ICBM with a heck of a throw weight. I think you could fit a Tzar Bomba in there. You could MIRV Tzar Bombas on a Superheavy Booster. |
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Posted: 10/24/2023 8:23:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RhinelandArms: I dont know why Musk does not cut a deal with Mexico and just build a bridge over the creek( thats what it really is) and launch from Mexico whenever they want. FAA and the fish guys should have no ability to hold up this sort of thing. At least you admitted you don’t know much. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 10/24/2023 8:31:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RhinelandArms: I dont know why Musk does not cut a deal with Mexico and just build a bridge over the creek( thats what it really is) and launch from Mexico whenever they want. FAA and the fish guys should have no ability to hold up this sort of thing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RhinelandArms: Originally Posted By Dagger41: Ouch ! Some very dissenting quotes in here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7bNsc-pRkI dont know why Musk does not cut a deal with Mexico and just build a bridge over the creek( thats what it really is) and launch from Mexico whenever they want. FAA and the fish guys should have no ability to hold up this sort of thing. Do you want all Chinese rocket inspection crews, because this is how you get it. China would pay off the Mexican Gov. |
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Posted: 10/24/2023 8:35:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Correct. It would potentially be at least a mile or so further south. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Originally Posted By Naffenea: SPACEX wouldn't be where it is now if it was based in Mexico. Correct. It would potentially be at least a mile or so further south. 
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Posted: 10/24/2023 10:36:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woodsie: You could MIRV Tzar Bombas on a Superheavy Booster. And you get 50 megatons and you get 50 megatons and you get 50 megatons! Every city here gets 50 megaton blasts! |
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Posted: 10/24/2023 3:20:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmnoid77: **golf clap** Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmnoid77: Originally Posted By 1Andy2: Originally Posted By Naffenea: SPACEX wouldn't be where it is now if it was based in Mexico. Correct. It would potentially be at least a mile or so further south. **golf clap**  |
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Posted: 10/24/2023 4:03:40 PM EST
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Social media is getting antsy.
 The Monster Awakens Again! What's the aftermath of SpaceX's Starship 26 Static Fire? |
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Posted: 10/24/2023 7:51:11 PM EST
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Posted: 10/25/2023 6:04:03 AM EST
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NASASpaceflight's info bar says a "FireX" test was conducted. Anyone know what that is?
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Posted: 10/25/2023 6:29:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tortilla-flats: NASASpaceflight's info bar says a "FireX" test was conducted. Anyone know what that is? Everything but a static fire is how I understand it. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 6:47:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: Hadrian]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tortilla-flats: NASASpaceflight's info bar says a "FireX" test was conducted. Anyone know what that is? |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 8:54:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kill-9: The FireX system is part of the Orbital Launch Mount meant to prevent vented gasses from detonating under the booster. See this reddit post for details: https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/xt7cu5/special_report_spacex_tests_new_detonation/iqq91o1/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kill-9: Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: NASASpaceflight's info bar says a "FireX" test was conducted. Anyone know what that is? Yeah, it's the fire suppression system on the OLM. Apparently they were told to improve it by the FAA. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 10:23:28 AM EST
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A Russian with a careless cigarette under the OLM could solve the whole waiting for launch license issue real quick. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 10:50:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: HeavyMetal]
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It doesn’t work like that. The engines have to have their turbo pumps spun-up before the engines can fire. There is a whole start sequence.
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Posted: 10/25/2023 11:03:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Starship would be an ICBM with a heck of a throw weight. I think you could fit a Tzar Bomba in there. fit 18 in the payload bay, so weight is the limiting factor. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 11:18:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sonaliel: With a little quick googling I think you could launch 8 Tzar Bombas at once. Each bomb weighed 30 tons, if you expend the starship you can launch 250 tons to LEO. Further lazy math says to could physically fit 18 in the payload bay, so weight is the limiting factor. With our technology, we could likely get the same yield from a much lighter device now. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 2:11:09 PM EST
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Posted: 10/25/2023 2:13:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryDoes that mean the FAA has issued a license? Is this just a place holder in case the FAA does? I am so confused.
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Posted: 10/25/2023 2:27:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: Does that mean the FAA has issued a license? Is this just a place holder in case the FAA does? I am so confused. Yes. No. Maybe. Sure. Definitely. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 10/25/2023 2:35:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryWhy would a backup day be before the planned date? |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 10/25/2023 5:18:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: SPACEX wouldn't be where it is now if it was based in Mexico. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: Originally Posted By shooter_gregg: If he had originally set up in Mexico there would be nothing the US could to him. SPACEX wouldn't be where it is now if it was based in Mexico. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 5:22:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mort: You couldn't get anything done without paying a shit ton of bribes in Mexico. And if you did get something done the state could just nationalize it. This is a major part of what keeps the third world the third world. Industrialization is a difficult process to put it mildly. It seems to demand a "high trust society." Mexico does not qualify. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 5:59:34 PM EST
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One problem Elon Musk has that most of us don't is that he lives partly in the future.
SpaceX and Tesla have the best simulation software on the planet. Elon is neck deep in all the future planning, and the iterations that take the plan to reality. People can ask him simple question like "how much thrust does Starship have?" He's seen designs a year in the future, and he has to wade through a lot to recall the number as it is NOW. |
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Posted: 10/28/2023 7:01:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: Dagger41]
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SpaceX has applied to build a 1.5 million square foot facility off Roberts Road out at KSC.
Fucking enviro's are trying to stop it. https://www.fox35orlando.com/video/1302746 |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 11:39:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: SpaceX has applied to build a 1.5 million square foot facility off Roberts Road out at KSC. Fucking enviro's are trying to stop it. https://www.fox35orlando.com/video/1302746 It's become a religion for them. They will literally fight any and every thing. In Alaska there are constant lawsuits to challenge anything even remotely connected to the outdoors. Mining, fishing, roads, you name it. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 12:09:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: It's become a religion for them. They will literally fight any and every thing. In Alaska there are constant lawsuits to challenge anything even remotely connected to the outdoors. Mining, fishing, roads, you name it. And they fight each other on nuclear power policy. Most enviros have no idea what they want, just that whatever is happening right now is bad. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 12:19:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vmpglenn: And they fight each other on nuclear power policy. Most enviros have no idea what they want, just that whatever is happening right now is bad. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vmpglenn: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: It's become a religion for them. They will literally fight any and every thing. In Alaska there are constant lawsuits to challenge anything even remotely connected to the outdoors. Mining, fishing, roads, you name it. And they fight each other on nuclear power policy. Most enviros have no idea what they want, just that whatever is happening right now is bad. I grew up around these people in Eugene Oregon. Yes it is a religion and they are absolutely fanatic about it. Especially the stuff that contradicts the other stuff. Whatever the most rational course of action might be. They will take the opposite. Anything to appease Mother Gaia who we are all murdering. I've come to the conclusion that humanities greatest task is to spread life and consciousness within our part of the galaxy and beyond if possible. But if you leave these people in any kind of a position of power. Earth will become just another lifeless rock among so many others. Humanity will die here because we "deserve it." Which is why I have come to the point that these people can best be labeled as enemies of life itself. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 4:43:32 PM EST
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Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 29, 2023 the 2nd video kinda pertains to this thread. |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 5:18:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 29, 2023 the 2nd video kinda pertains to this thread. Where's that come from? |
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Posted: 10/29/2023 5:24:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ASUsax: Where's that come from? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ASUsax: Originally Posted By Chokey:
Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 29, 2023 the 2nd video kinda pertains to this thread. Where's that come from? inside the Sphere in Vegas |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/30/2023 11:14:54 AM EST
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So are we potentially seeing a launch on Wed...?
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