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My wife and I just got back from a trip to Washington D.C., where among other things we visited the absolutely incredible Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center near Dulles Airport. The Udvar-Hazy Center is the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum's annex dedicated entirely to the preservation and display of all forms of military and civilian aircraft, including jets, props, rotors, prop/rotors, gliders, rockets, missiles, general space stuff, you name it. The word "incredible" is an understatement. If you are planning on making a trip to D.C., this should be on your "must-do" list. Even people who aren't in to aircraft will be astonished, just ask my wife. One of the several centerpieces of the collection happens to be STS Discovery, where you can walk up within mere feet of this magnificent machine. I apologize in advance for the lackluster photography. I am not a photographer by any means and all I had with me was my iPhone. I got a few good detail shots of the shuttle which hopefully can be of some use. Unfortunately I didn't think about this thread at the time, otherwise I would have taken a bunch more pics! http://i.imgur.com/fXffR3hh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ckv0lTJh.jpg This one really shows how replacement of the ablative thermal tiles created a "pockmarked" look on the shuttle: http://i.imgur.com/BD2i6Yfh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sDfE1B0h.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ZzZMtCoh.jpg Full size originals are in the album located here: http://imgur.com/a/pfauu including a few repeats and far-off shots that may be useful. And one last one of the restoration area, where a keen-eyed aircraft geek might spot something pretty incredible: http://i.imgur.com/QsvCpT8h.jpg Also, if I may make a humble suggestion for your next project.... http://i.imgur.com/ZKNumWDh.jpg Cheers, AR-Aggie Do I see a Horton there? It is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229 |
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Quoted: I forgot to post these yesterday when I saw them, but a couple of my shuttle techs had very good weekends hunting. You will recognize both. And damn, talk about nice bulls. Both score around 335. https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5524/30196246161_8f1678beb5_h.jpg https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5702/29807185774_e83a44b161_h.jpg https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7570/29892551932_4a7d33831a_h.jpg https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5763/30140834530_8397eeb5f7_b.jpg View Quote |
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View Quote Where the hell did they find that???? |
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Guns, got some goodies headed your way. Im going to send it to the school if that is ok.
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My wife and I just got back from a trip to Washington D.C., where among other things we visited the absolutely incredible Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center near Dulles Airport. The Udvar-Hazy Center is the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum's annex dedicated entirely to the preservation and display of all forms of military and civilian aircraft, including jets, props, rotors, prop/rotors, gliders, rockets, missiles, general space stuff, you name it. The word "incredible" is an understatement. If you are planning on making a trip to D.C., this should be on your "must-do" list. Even people who aren't in to aircraft will be astonished, just ask my wife. One of the several centerpieces of the collection happens to be STS Discovery, where you can walk up within mere feet of this magnificent machine. I apologize in advance for the lackluster photography. I am not a photographer by any means and all I had with me was my iPhone. I got a few good detail shots of the shuttle which hopefully can be of some use. Unfortunately I didn't think about this thread at the time, otherwise I would have taken a bunch more pics! http://i.imgur.com/fXffR3hh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ckv0lTJh.jpg This one really shows how replacement of the ablative thermal tiles created a "pockmarked" look on the shuttle: http://i.imgur.com/BD2i6Yfh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sDfE1B0h.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ZzZMtCoh.jpg Full size originals are in the album located here: http://imgur.com/a/pfauu including a few repeats and far-off shots that may be useful. And one last one of the restoration area, where a keen-eyed aircraft geek might spot something pretty incredible: http://i.imgur.com/QsvCpT8h.jpg Also, if I may make a humble suggestion for your next project.... http://i.imgur.com/ZKNumWDh.jpg Cheers, AR-Aggie Do I see a Horton there? Looks like an Ho 229 to me too! |
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Hey Guns, are those OSHA approved chairs that your students are standing on? Hate to have you fined for allowing it.............
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Quoted: Where the hell did they find that???? It was captured in a hanger when the allies overtook the area. It was boxed up and sent back to the US. |
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The front edge of these fairings look a little off. although, they are relatively close. https://c4.staticflickr.com/6/5551/29797690123_af23dd4149_h.jpg http://communicatescience.com/zoonomian/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/IMG_0676.jpg View Quote Hopefully once we get down to some of the details we can get them adjusted a bit. |
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your airbrush equipment up to the task?
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these are some great pictures of the main thrusters, as well as the orbital thrusters View Quote I think I know where we went wrong. Kids weren't happy about a rework, but I think I've got most of it figured out. The curved edge around the corner might have to wait for details, but the front edge was too high. They look better with it lower, they will just need more of that detail trimming to make them mate up with the doors correctly. Taking the cowlings off allows us to finish the burlap without having to flip the bird another time. That is one plus. |
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You might need to run a night shift to get all those tiles glued on; no worries, by now most of 'em already have their height.
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Going out tomorrow along with an ACE HW gift card! <a href="http://s131.photobucket.com/user/k00lhand/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20161024_201920_zpsgega48fq.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p308/k00lhand/Mobile%20Uploads/20161024_201920_zpsgega48fq.jpg</a> Ill PM you tracking info after its shipped tomorrow morning. View Quote Wow! Thank you!!!!! We will definitely put all that to good use. Incredible generosity! |
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I thought the nitrile gloves might come in handy as you get closer to the gluing of tiles!
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I wanted to see how we were doing compared to last year, so I found the 10/26/15 update
It seems we are doing ok. We hadn't even started skinning the stern section of the sub by this time. Update 10/26
I walked in this morning looked at the sub and thought, damn, there is still so much more to go. I asked myself when the hell are we finally going to get to the stern.....will the kids be tired by then? Just seemed a bit over whelming, but after my group got there in the afternoon and got going on it, I realized how close we are to some paint. Some nice details got done today. We started working with the CAD crew on making some stencils for the deck texture. Should look good when done. We've been holding off hoping that the robotics crew comes through. First, the anchor. Some of the body lines along the bow. We will go back and try to hide some of the seams that aren't supposed to be so noticeable with latex caulking. The bow getting finished out. Bow planes going on Antenna going on. View Quote http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1781084_ALARM___U_Boat_Type_VIIC_1_8th_scale_class_project_2015_16Update_8_22_Blue_Stripe_pg56.html&page=19 |
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Is it just me or do the leading edges look a little sharp compared to these photos of Discovery and Atlantis in orbit?
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Is it just me or do the leading edges look a little sharp compared to these photos of Discovery and Atlantis in orbit? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Space_Shuttle_Discovery_(STS-114_'Return_to_Flight')_approaches_the_International_Space_Station.jpg Hi-Res 3032x2000 Original http://www.thewallpapers.org/photo/21200/Space_shuttle-001.jpg Hi-Res 2560x1600 Original View Quote They started yesterday overlapping a watercolor paper on the leading edge. You can see about 3 pieces just off the back of the right wing tip. We are hoping to blend the edge more. At the front, there is a pretty decent edge to the wing. We noticed it from the close up photos of the shuttles on display in the museums. ETA: I will also warn everyone, we won't get them perfect. That curve, without having the material crease, is proving to be very difficult. I've got a few other tricks we will try to mitigate the edge a bit, but I know it will be more prominent than the real one. |
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From now on guns, when we post high resolution profile shots such as E-95s, we expect you to post an exactly similar profile picture of your model for us to critique to hell and back. It's the only way to be sure you are doing everything right from our peanut gallery chairs.
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From now on guns, when we post high resolution profile shots such as E-95s, we expect you to post an exactly similar profile picture of your model for us to critique to hell and back. It's the only way to be sure you are doing everything right from our peanut gallery chairs. Thank you. View Quote Seriously, the photos you folks are posting are very, very helpful!!! The different angles of the same area are extremely valuable. The constructive criticism is very welcome, and needed. |
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They started yesterday overlapping a watercolor paper on the leading edge. You can see about 3 pieces just off the back of the right wing tip. We are hoping to blend the edge more. At the front, there is a pretty decent edge to the wing. We noticed it from the close up photos of the shuttles on display in the museums. ETA: I will also warn everyone, we won't get them perfect. That curve, without having the material crease, is proving to be very difficult. I've got a few other tricks we will try to mitigate the edge a bit, but I know it will be more prominent than the real one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is it just me or do the leading edges look a little sharp compared to these photos of Discovery and Atlantis in orbit? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Space_Shuttle_Discovery_(STS-114_'Return_to_Flight')_approaches_the_International_Space_Station.jpg Hi-Res 3032x2000 Original http://www.thewallpapers.org/photo/21200/Space_shuttle-001.jpg Hi-Res 2560x1600 Original They started yesterday overlapping a watercolor paper on the leading edge. You can see about 3 pieces just off the back of the right wing tip. We are hoping to blend the edge more. At the front, there is a pretty decent edge to the wing. We noticed it from the close up photos of the shuttles on display in the museums. ETA: I will also warn everyone, we won't get them perfect. That curve, without having the material crease, is proving to be very difficult. I've got a few other tricks we will try to mitigate the edge a bit, but I know it will be more prominent than the real one. Can you use the expanding spray foam for the front of the wings and then carve them to the correct shape??? |
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I'm going to update this a bit. We used approximately 100 sheets of pen and ink board so far. Those cost about $3.50 each so : $347.00 + 350.00 --------------- Sub total so far on the project: $697.00 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Subtotal so far: 347.00 I'm going to update this a bit. We used approximately 100 sheets of pen and ink board so far. Those cost about $3.50 each so : $347.00 + 350.00 --------------- Sub total so far on the project: $697.00 +$75.00 T 50 stapler, door trim, screws, and a 7/16ths sheet of chip board for the satellite. -------------------- $772.00 sub total for the project. |
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The best way to build those engine cones would be too get someone to weld them from wire, and then fill in the inside with your paper product.
Alternately, you could probably use the bendable copper tubing along with some tees and fittings, to make the cooling tubes |
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I forgot the funny part of the day yesterday in my update. My lead student on this project is a pretty funny kid. He gives me shit when I get too grumpy and always asks if I need a Snickers. I of course ask him the same when he gets ranting about work on the shuttle not going well.
Yesterday he got ranting about the wing edge as he was working, and I reached in my pocket and pulled out a snickers bar and threw it to him, saying "you seem to need a snickers." This was in front of 8 other students. Everyone laughed, and I passed out snickers to the rest of the class too. My wife went and bought a bag on her day off for me and delivered them . |
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The best way to build those engine cones would be too get someone to weld them from wire, and then fill in the inside with your paper product. Alternately, you could probably use the bendable copper tubing along with some tees and fittings, to make the cooling tubes View Quote When we get to the tubing, we might try straws. |
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I forgot the funny part of the day yesterday in my update. My lead student on this project is a pretty funny kid. He gives me shit when I get too grumpy and always asks if I need a Snickers. I of course ask him the same when he gets ranting about work on the shuttle not going well. Yesterday he got ranting about the wing edge as he was working, and I reached in my pocket and pulled out a snickers bar and threw it to him, saying "you seem to need a snickers." This was in front of 8 other students. Everyone laughed, and I passed out snickers to the rest of the class too. My wife went and bought a bag on her day off for me and delivered them . View Quote I call You mean the bars with "Gasp" peanuts!!! What is your school going to. You let students use sharp objects, kill and then handle the dead animals all while eating peanuts?? Aint no school going to let that kind of stuff fly. It's a conspiracy to make us believe there is sanity out there in Wyoming I tell you!! EBR |
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They started yesterday overlapping a watercolor paper on the leading edge. You can see about 3 pieces just off the back of the right wing tip. We are hoping to blend the edge more. At the front, there is a pretty decent edge to the wing. We noticed it from the close up photos of the shuttles on display in the museums. ETA: I will also warn everyone, we won't get them perfect. That curve, without having the material crease, is proving to be very difficult. I've got a few other tricks we will try to mitigate the edge a bit, but I know it will be more prominent than the real one. View Quote Can you get those compound funky edges reproduced digitally? I can 3D print you the most complex of those parts out of ABS plastic. The printer doesn't care how complex the shape is, it does the job. My limits are 7.5" x 7.5" x 8" - it's better to design smaller parts and assemble them after printing. Let me know if I can help! |
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Can you get those compound funky edges reproduced digitally? I can 3D print you the most complex of those parts out of ABS plastic. The printer doesn't care how complex the shape is, it does the job. My limits are 7.5" x 7.5" x 8" - it's better to design smaller parts and assemble them after printing. Let me know if I can help! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They started yesterday overlapping a watercolor paper on the leading edge. You can see about 3 pieces just off the back of the right wing tip. We are hoping to blend the edge more. At the front, there is a pretty decent edge to the wing. We noticed it from the close up photos of the shuttles on display in the museums. ETA: I will also warn everyone, we won't get them perfect. That curve, without having the material crease, is proving to be very difficult. I've got a few other tricks we will try to mitigate the edge a bit, but I know it will be more prominent than the real one. Can you get those compound funky edges reproduced digitally? I can 3D print you the most complex of those parts out of ABS plastic. The printer doesn't care how complex the shape is, it does the job. My limits are 7.5" x 7.5" x 8" - it's better to design smaller parts and assemble them after printing. Let me know if I can help! I'm still waiting for my curiosity rover |
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We might have to label this whole week, "Concept Failure Week, CFW".
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Is it just me or do the leading edges look a little sharp compared to these photos of Discovery and Atlantis in orbit? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Space_Shuttle_Discovery_(STS-114_'Return_to_Flight')_approaches_the_International_Space_Station.jpg Hi-Res 3032x2000 Original http://www.thewallpapers.org/photo/21200/Space_shuttle-001.jpg Hi-Res 2560x1600 Original They started yesterday overlapping a watercolor paper on the leading edge. You can see about 3 pieces just off the back of the right wing tip. We are hoping to blend the edge more. At the front, there is a pretty decent edge to the wing. We noticed it from the close up photos of the shuttles on display in the museums. Nice. ETA: I will also warn everyone, we won't get them perfect. That curve, without having the material crease, is proving to be very difficult. I've got a few other tricks we will try to mitigate the edge a bit, but I know it will be more prominent than the real one. Can you use the expanding spray foam for the front of the wings and then carve them to the correct shape??? |
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I forgot the funny part of the day yesterday in my update. My lead student on this project is a pretty funny kid. He gives me shit when I get too grumpy and always asks if I need a Snickers. I of course ask him the same when he gets ranting about work on the shuttle not going well. Yesterday he got ranting about the wing edge as he was working, and I reached in my pocket and pulled out a snickers bar and threw it to him, saying "you seem to need a snickers." This was in front of 8 other students. Everyone laughed, and I passed out snickers to the rest of the class too. My wife went and bought a bag on her day off for me and delivered them . View Quote You are TOO awesome! Didn't realize you'd already gotten a T50 pneumatic, and how much it was. How is it working out for you? Students happier? |
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You are TOO awesome! Didn't realize you'd already gotten a T50 pneumatic, and how much it was. How is it working out for you? Students happier? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I forgot the funny part of the day yesterday in my update. My lead student on this project is a pretty funny kid. He gives me shit when I get too grumpy and always asks if I need a Snickers. I of course ask him the same when he gets ranting about work on the shuttle not going well. Yesterday he got ranting about the wing edge as he was working, and I reached in my pocket and pulled out a snickers bar and threw it to him, saying "you seem to need a snickers." This was in front of 8 other students. Everyone laughed, and I passed out snickers to the rest of the class too. My wife went and bought a bag on her day off for me and delivered them . You are TOO awesome! Didn't realize you'd already gotten a T50 pneumatic, and how much it was. How is it working out for you? Students happier? I bought it on your suggestion. Works very well. Too well. We had to pull a bunch of staples over the last few days. |
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That sure as hell looks like an SSME to me! Looking great Guns! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
That sure as hell looks like an SSME to me! Looking great Guns! We will see how it takes the paint. Hopefully it doesn't end up as the 5th cast away prototype. Haha. |
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