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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:08:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can afford both and chose the GTS. I’ll get a 911 at some point likely, but for now… lightweight, manual, naturally aspirated, RWD, not a lot of cars that check those boxes. To get that in a 911 you’d have to have 200k and a long standing relationship with the dealer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 718 is a 4 cylinder so that makes the answer pretty easy. Although I guess you could go with the GTS 4.0 but then you are spending 911 money on a Cayman. I can afford both and chose the GTS. I’ll get a 911 at some point likely, but for now… lightweight, manual, naturally aspirated, RWD, not a lot of cars that check those boxes. To get that in a 911 you’d have to have 200k and a long standing relationship with the dealer. Miata  |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:13:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 911 I just bought a Turbo S and driving that thing has ruined my ability to drive anything else. http://i.imgur.com/24YqvXP.jpg User name checks out. That’s beautiful. 
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:13:45 AM EDT
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I had a 991 GT3. Beautiful but not pleasant to own due to lack of sound deadening. Suspension was not bad. Had it for 5 years so guess I liked it enough.
Personally I think the 911 GTS is the one to get. The Turbo S is world class, but tend to depreciate like a rock. If I was in the market, would look at Cayman GT4 RS as I already have a fast tourer. The Panamera Turbo S is as fast on the ring as my last gen GT3 (7:25). |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:33:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean 914? The only years they didn't make 912s was 70-75. Longhood 912s with carbs = 1965-1969 70-75 = no 912 G-Body (impact bumper) 912 with fuel injection = 1976 911E (just one year) No,i meant 912.Just got my years wrong before coffee.  ETA: I could have swore the one i looked at was a '70. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 10:04:20 AM EDT
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911 of course but I have been looking at Caymans (value choice). Not alot of Cayman's out there though.
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Posted: 8/30/2023 10:07:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL you guys and your Beetles...er Volkswagons.. /snicker Hey I resemble that remark! 
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Posted: 8/30/2023 10:13:27 AM EDT
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It really depends on what you're wanting. The 911 is an all around, do everything choice; makes a good daily driver where as the Cayman is more of a weekends car. Surprisingly the 911 has room for a grocery/Lowes run and has a backseat for small children if needed. Either are fun to drive really in any trim but when you get into the more performance trims the 911 begins to pull away, so does your bank account.
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Posted: 8/30/2023 10:17:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/30/2023 10:20:28 AM EDT
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Quoted: Cayman vs 911 and Why? I choose Cayman if I were a big spender. Edited for spelling. What are your plans with it? Cruising, track days, race track or both? Budget? Do you know how to work on cars? Tune suspension? 911 is cooler. Cayman is cheaper to learn how to drive. Both will be expensive to fix when you meet the wall on a track day. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 10:22:37 AM EDT
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Panamera Turbo S.
I'm old, fat, slow and stupid. I need cushy comfort with style more than ball busting banger rides.  Can't afford anyway, but I'm living the poor life with pride.
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Posted: 8/30/2023 11:11:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I were a big spender, I'd find a 73 911 RSR. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Caymen vs 911 and Why? I choose Caymen if I were a big spender. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 11:32:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/30/2023 12:03:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Poor man's Porsche
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Posted: 8/30/2023 12:07:39 PM EDT
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Ford Focus RS
then get a bigger turbo and aux fuel and make 600 to the crank It's AWD and only weighs 3400 |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 12:11:01 PM EDT
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Air cooled 911 is the only correct answer.
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Posted: 8/30/2023 12:37:10 PM EDT
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Driven both and own a 911. The Cayman is a really nice Miata while the 911 is a true sports car.
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Posted: 8/30/2023 1:16:05 PM EDT
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I’m thinking this is a troll post. A “big spender” doesn’t go for the Cayman. And if money is no concern, it’s the 911 all day, every day and twice on sunday
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Posted: 8/30/2023 1:43:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m thinking this is a troll post. A “big spender” doesn’t go for the Cayman. And if money is no concern, it’s the 911 all day, every day and twice on sunday Wrong. The cheapest used Cayman RS is 230k, goes up to 300k. A used GT3 is in the same price range, so quite some overlap on 911 and Cayman buyers. Getting an allocation on any new Porsche sports cars is tough, doubly so on their GT cars. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 1:57:08 PM EDT
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Cayman is a better track car, supposedly the better “sports car.” The 911 is more of a grand touring car that handles well. It depends on what you are looking to get out of the vehicle.
The 944 argument is completely ridiculous. I will toss out the Cayman has the stigma of being the budget sports car among some people, if you don’t care what people think then the Cayman is awesome. If you are flaunting that you drive a Porsche, you probably want a 911. fwiw, I don’t look down on people who drive a Cayman, but I have made comments to snotty people who drive a base model 911, same goes for snotty people who drive a base model 3-Series and think they are the shit. Buy what suits you, most people don’t need, nor will use the higher performance of the higher models. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 2:51:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong. The cheapest used Cayman RS is 230k, goes up to 300k. A used GT3 is in the same price range, so quite some overlap on 911 and Cayman buyers. Getting an allocation on any new Porsche sports cars is tough, doubly so on their GT cars. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m thinking this is a troll post. A “big spender” doesn’t go for the Cayman. And if money is no concern, it’s the 911 all day, every day and twice on sunday Wrong. The cheapest used Cayman RS is 230k, goes up to 300k. A used GT3 is in the same price range, so quite some overlap on 911 and Cayman buyers. Getting an allocation on any new Porsche sports cars is tough, doubly so on their GT cars. Comparing used rare and exotic models is not really a particularly useful comparison when talking about the general price difference between the Cayman and 911 lines, IMO. Being able to find some specific examples of desirable used models doesn't really have much to do with the general point that the 911 is a more expensive car than the Cayman. As an aside, why compare a Cayman GT4 RS to a regular 911 GT3? Shouldn't the comparison be to the GT3 RS, so you are comparing apples to apples? When comparing new prices, obviously the 911 is a far more expensive car than the Cayman. - The base Cayman starts at around $68K and the cheapest base 911 is around $114K - that almost $50K more. - The Cayman GTS starts around $95K and the 911 GTS start around $151K - that's over $55K more. Even when comparing the more exotic GT cars, the 911 is far more expensive than the Cayman. - A Cayman GT4 RS start at about $160K, and a 911 GT3 RS starts at about $240K - that's about 80K more. The most expensive Cayman listed on Porsche's website (the GT4 RS or the Spyder) starts around $160K. A regular 911 Turbo is already a lot more than that, starting at $197K. The most expensive 911 listed on the Porsche website (S/T) starts at $290K - about 130K more. (All of this of course ignores the expensive options that add a lot to the actual price ) |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 2:56:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The rear seats in a 911 are simply a well-upholstered storage area. But handy for that purpose! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s made to haul supermodels. The rear seats in a 911 are simply a well-upholstered storage area. But handy for that purpose! My 7 & 8 year old fit just fine. It’s the perfect car and suitable for a family of 4. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 2:58:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL you guys and your Beetles...er Volkswagons.. /snicker Winningest sports car of all time but you keep on thinking it’s just a beetle. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 3:02:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/30/2023 3:04:57 PM EDT
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BRZ with a supercharger
Spend the extra 30-100k on hookers and blow. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 3:09:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Air cooled 911 is the only correct answer. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 3:10:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought that was the boxter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Poor man's Porsche I thought that was the boxter. No , that's BRZ/gr86 |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 3:11:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/30/2023 3:12:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Winningest sports car of all time but you keep on thinking it’s just a beetle. I really don't give a rats ass about wins, It's how it looks... like a stretched out beetle.. Not that I would could or want to afford something like that but you keep on thinking that car is something desirable. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 3:14:46 PM EDT
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A Factory Five Racing 818C would be interesting.
* I'd like it better with a 356 body on it though ...maybe even air-cooled and carbed |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 3:15:10 PM EDT
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you can probably find a 996 Turbo for not obscene money if you really need a 911
but TBH I'd get a R8 or a AMG GT-C/S While the 911 is really cool, the AMG GT is phenomenal looking in person. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 3:15:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A Factory Five Racing 818C would be interesting. DeTomaso Pantera would be more interesitng
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Posted: 8/30/2023 3:21:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don’t be a peasant. Here is my ‘22 Carrera GTS with aerokit. https://i.ibb.co/4p6ybLM/IMG-2147.jpg pardon the language, but that fucks. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 3:26:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is your price limit? What year of 911 and Cayman are you looking at? What trim level? What is the car used for? Track, street/track, rural roads, or just to and from Cars and Coffee? What are the streets like near your place? Smooth? Potholes? You need AWD? Just you or a family? Need space for luggage? There is about a bunch of questions you need to ask yourself. It would also help if you knew how to spell Cayman correctly. This, and if you haven't driven a Cayman and 911 back to back, do it. Go to a Porsche experience center and select the Cayman/911 package. They drive differently. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 3:29:23 PM EDT
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I’ve gotten happier with my 04 C4S. Wife wants to sell her Boxster and my 911 and get a newer 911.
I’m torn. Maybe a 997.2 or 991.1. But it’s gotta have a manual. I’d really like a late 80’s Carrera…  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 3:31:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: (All of this of course ignores the expensive options that add a lot to the actual price )Like buttons on the steering wheel.  
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Posted: 8/30/2023 3:41:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/30/2023 3:54:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m torn. Maybe a 997.2 or 991.1. But it’s gotta have a manual. I’d really like a late 80’s Carrera… I got a 991.1 in manual and it is definitely a cool car. Last of the NA and with the MT you can really have fun and hear the flat 6 growl. Only regret is I don’t have PSE, but for $$$$ that can be rectified. I like the narrow front ends of the 997 more but the cars feel dated. 991’s still feel new/modern. I too really lust over a 964. But no way can I get myself to pay the kind of money the old air cooled cars command. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 4:09:28 PM EDT
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Cayman is a womans Porsche
The ONLY TRUE PORSCHE IS THE 911 |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 4:28:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've owned a 911 T, 944, 924, 914, Cayman and Cayman S. The 911-T was a carbureted pig, a 1971 IIRC, and I got from a buddy who owned a body shop. It was a NY car that was rusted to hell that he got in trade and he just didn't want to mess with it so I drove it for about a year until the floor boards rusted through. The 944 I had in Germany and I got it for $2500USD. It was essentially brand new with 5K kms on it and garage kept but took leaded gas so the owner couldn't drive it any more (no cat). US personal had an exemption for a while. Fun car but slow. Would cruise on the autobahn though….I'd keep it at 240-260 kph for hours on end when A-8 was mostly unrestricted. Those days are pretty much gone. The 924 the same….slow but fun. The 914 was a go-cart. I really liked that little thing but it had all sorts of electrical problems. I ended up getting rear ended at Bragg by some woman who was driving and watching the air show that was going on….just drove right into me. The Cayman base was ok. Handled well but no real power. The Cayman S, a 2014 with PDK and 6 cylinders, was by far the most fun. It drove like it was on rails and had more than enough power to get the job done, especially in sport mode. That being said, I'm starting to look for mid 1980's 911S…..prices seem to be coming down and I've wanted one since they came out. The problem that I have is there's no way I can get it up the mountain to my cabin so"ll have to rent an indoor storage unit in town. A Ford Maverick and a set of ramps would suffice to haul that tiny thing up to your cabin. Kharn |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 4:34:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really don't give a rats ass about wins, It's how it looks... like a stretched out beetle.. Not that I would could or want to afford something like that but you keep on thinking that car is something desirable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Winningest sports car of all time but you keep on thinking it’s just a beetle. I really don't give a rats ass about wins, It's how it looks... like a stretched out beetle.. Not that I would could or want to afford something like that but you keep on thinking that car is something desirable. Lol, damn those grapes must be sour. Women care about how a car looks, men care about how a car performs. Just sayin’ 
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Posted: 8/30/2023 4:42:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you can probably find a 996 Turbo for not obscene money if you really need a 911 but TBH I'd get a R8 or a AMG GT-C/S While the 911 is really cool, the AMG GT is phenomenal looking in person. The 996 TT ship sailed a few years ago. I was looking at one in 2015-16 and you could find a higher mileage example in a boring/common color like silver or grey for under $40k. I test drove a couple including one with the x50 package(more HP) and quickly realized it was too fast, I’m not adult enough to enjoy something like that responsibly. So I went to the other end of the spectrum and bought a slow 911, no ragrets. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 4:48:27 PM EDT
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 Chris Harris Drives The Tuthill Porsche 911K - THE ASTONISHING 11,000RPM LIGHTWEIGHT MACHINE |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 5:14:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Panamera Turbo S. I'm old, fat, slow and stupid. I need cushy comfort with style more than ball busting banger rides. Can't afford anyway, but I'm living the poor life with pride. I'm considering getting a Cayenne. It's a hurdle to get over to spend $100k on a SUV. ETA: However, this would be fun too. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 5:30:45 PM EDT
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I'm pretty happy with my crappy American C7....
Only 911 I drove was back in 2000 & it was a base non turbo convertible. Honestly is was a POS in the limited time I had it. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 5:46:03 PM EDT
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Porsche has always kneecapped the Cayman/Boxster so the 911 would remain King. The mid engine design is more balanced, and is a better sports car design. If they put a bigger engine in the Cayman it would outperform the 911. But because they have never done that, and will never do that, the 911 is arguably "better". However, the rear engine design is flawed in a high performance sports car, especially for novice driver's who may panic and hit the brakes in high speed turns and throw the 911 into a spin.
But they are both great cars, it's subjective. Personally, I'd rather have an air cooled 911 Targa. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 5:52:28 PM EDT
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Will sell off a couple old classic cars this fall and roll the money into a Cayman 981 GTS in sapphire blue.
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Posted: 8/30/2023 6:20:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Porsche has always kneecapped the Cayman/Boxster so the 911 would remain King. The mid engine design is more balanced, and is a better sports car design. If they put a bigger engine in the Cayman it would outperform the 911. But because they have never done that, and will never do that, the 911 is arguably "better". However, the rear engine design is flawed in a high performance sports car, especially for novice driver's who may panic and hit the brakes in high speed turns and throw the 911 into a spin. But they are both great cars, it's subjective. Personally, I'd rather have an air cooled 911 Targa. Initially they hamstrung the Cayman but the GTS 4.0 and GT4 changed that. I’m going to disagree about the rear engine design being flawed and point back to the fact the 911 is the winningest sports car of all time and has won across far more racing disciplines than anything else. There are some real advantages to the rear engine layout, braking and traction out of corners for example. You are right about the danger with a novice behind the wheel but a good driver can use that pendulum effect to his advantage Here’s a great video of a really good driver showing you how to drive a 911.  On track with a Porsche 2.7 RS | How to drive –\u00ad Episode 1 |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 6:34:23 PM EDT
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Manual or PDK? I'm a diehard manual guy, but I hear PDK is amazing.
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Posted: 8/30/2023 6:37:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Manual or PDK? I'm a diehard manual guy, but I hear PDK is amazing. Manual. Its what a true sports car is. But the PDK is faster on a track. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 6:44:21 PM EDT
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Guy that retired had IH82ski as a license plate on his 911, it was parked next to another 911 with ILUV2ski. The picture was in the L.A. Times years ago.
Before he retired he bought a newer 911, sweet ride but still preferred the older model. |
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