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Posted: 10/20/2021 7:02:53 PM EDT
[#1]
I hear Bul SAS II is better at half the price. But since Covid they have been unobtainable :(
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Posted: 10/20/2021 7:04:19 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @WhiskersTheCat If I ordered a P, should I get steel or aluminum? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The C is a carry gun The P is a duty gun The XC is a competition gun. That's it really. I love my P but I've always liked full size pistols, and I don't want to carry a competition gun. So the P is a great fit for me. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/Screenshot_20210924-144022_Gallery-2103670.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/Screenshot_20210923-152032_Gallery-2101990.jpg @WhiskersTheCat If I ordered a P, should I get steel or aluminum? I got steel, but I don't really see a wrong answer. One is slightly heavier, obviously. So slightly lighter or slightly better recoil |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 7:05:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What competition would you use the XC for? Not a good fit for the big ones that I’m aware of. The P amd XL would work for USPSA Limited if they were available in 40. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The C is a carry gun The P is a duty gun The XC is a competition gun. That's it really. I love my P but I've always liked full size pistols, and I don't want to carry a competition gun. So the P is a great fit for me. What competition would you use the XC for? Not a good fit for the big ones that I’m aware of. The P amd XL would work for USPSA Limited if they were available in 40. Idk honestly. I do two gun stuff so maybe that. I compete, but kinda more "sign up for this 2 or 3 gun event at our club" stuff. I'm not trying to get ranked or anything. I just find it helps me shoot better. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 7:23:42 PM EDT
[#4]
Fad, it will wear off. Not knocking the pistols by any means, the mags are over priced though.
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Posted: 10/20/2021 7:37:42 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know dudes who put in 20K rounds a year. They don’t suggest 320s over 2011s. And if you’re shooting that much, 2 staccatos are the cheap part of your regimen. I used to shoot at least a case a month when 9mm was <$100 and I had more free time. Glock 34 was my go to. Different strokes. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 8:53:46 PM EDT
[#6]
It's the Rolex watch of guns...
Won't make me a better shooter.... just cost me more. I'm not there market. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 9:30:01 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to shoot at least a case a month when 9mm was <$100 and I had more free time. Glock 34 was my go to. Different strokes. Fad? Doubt it. Instagram influencers? Maybe for the gun of the week crowd. I learned about the gun I'd been waiting for from other cops who had got in on a large group buy. Got a good deal and bought a second. Happy. I paid less for the Staccato than I did for my first 2011 5.0. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 9:32:30 PM EDT
[#8]
I just won a Texas Star & Polish plate rack contest with a 43X. I got second at normal plate rack. ??
Learn to shoot. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 9:41:09 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just won a Texas Star & Polish plate rack contest with a 43X. I got second at normal plate rack. Learn to shoot. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 9:41:45 PM EDT
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That's something I'd be interested in... but one thing disappoints me.
Make a 9mm 1911, but make the side and the barrel .45ACP sized. Personally, I'd really like something the size of the Browning 380 1911 but in 9x19. Heck, that in a double stack would be awesome. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 9:51:12 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: like different things. Disgusting. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 9:54:49 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Disgusting.  |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 9:57:07 PM EDT
[#13]
I think they are different, the mags are much better.
My experience with STI was shit hot race guns but could be a little finicky the new staccatos are duty guns and they just run and run |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 9:59:31 PM EDT
[#14]
They're OK, they ain't no XD in .40 though
Get gripzoned n00bs G R I P Z O N E |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 10:08:36 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They're OK, they ain't no XD in .40 though Get gripzoned n00bs G R I P Z O N E N O P E. P E R F E C T I O N. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 10:24:11 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: N O P E. P E R F E C T I O N.
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Posted: 10/20/2021 11:04:15 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: N O P E. P E R F E C T I O N. G R I P F E C T I O N |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 10:52:28 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just won a Texas Star & Polish plate rack contest with a 43X. I got second at normal plate rack. ?? Learn to shoot. this sounds similar to a 'mah irons work fine, don't need no red dawt' argument with carbines 
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Posted: 10/21/2021 10:56:52 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just won a Texas Star & Polish plate rack contest with a 43X. I got second at normal plate rack. ?? Learn to shoot. Cyborgs don't count 
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Posted: 10/21/2021 10:59:39 AM EDT
[#20]
The 2011 is a fantastic platform with one major weak link, and that's the magazine. STI figured out how to make a reliable magazine.
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Posted: 10/21/2021 11:10:25 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: G R I P F E C T I O N I engraved GRIPZONE on my Glock, checkmate. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 11:31:54 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some guys shoot a thousand or two rounds a month. That will catch up with any gun eventually. This sucks when you're dealing with parts that require fitting. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not trying to be a dick, but how on earth are you getting a gun to that point in 5 years? Some guys shoot a thousand or two rounds a month. That will catch up with any gun eventually. This sucks when you're dealing with parts that require fitting. But that’s where the 2011 platform shines… They can handle a couple hundred thousand rounds with regular maintenance and minimal part replacement. . |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 11:33:59 AM EDT
[#23]
I shot one at Cola Warrior. I am a believer.
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Posted: 10/21/2021 11:37:31 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: STI was pretty much competition guns, designed around USPSA and 3 gun with some IDPA thrown in. Their smaller ‘officer’ size models never really took off. When new management took over they decided to change their direction of business moving to high end ‘law enforcement’ and people who like that type of gun. In a way it was a good move in that the people who the ‘LE’ type gun don’t shoot them as much or tinker with the guns as competition shooters do. STI would warranty guns that were pretty well worked by other gunsmiths/competitors or have been shot a lot. I shoot my STI pistols between 500-1,000 rounds a month, year after year it is a lot of rounds compared to most shooters. My best buddy is the head Firearms guy at a large Sheriff Office. He got Staccato guns approved for duty carry. I did have to explain to him what the name meant though. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 11:48:58 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hear Bul SAS II is better at half the price. But since Covid they have been unobtainable :( Not my personal experience. I purchased one in March '20, got it in Sept '20. Haven't shot it much, but had several FTF's and FTE's. Thinking of parting with it and putting that towards a Staccato. The trigger is fantastic, great looking fit and finish. I'm not a gunsmith and not willing to pay one to make a new gun work. I guess I'm spoiled. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 11:49:31 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When STI, a company known for hit or miss quality competition guns, decided to rebrand with that dumb name, completely ditch their entire past customer base, and start acting like tactical bros, I remember thinking who's going to buy these things now. Boy was I wrong. I guess I seriously underestimated the power of Instagram "influencers"  That is basically what happened. STI quality went down with the DVC line. You could get a custom gun at close to the same price and it would be a much better fitted gun. The custom would last longer, group better than the STIs. They were losing market share and had to switch over to a group that likes high end gear but doesn't put down the number of rounds a year like a USPSA shooter. So they went tactical timmy. I have used a lot of their parts, frames, slides on my 15 or so 2011s, but their built guns never impressed me. Never had issues with their mags once you threw away the guts |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 12:10:08 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Totally worth it dude. Totally worth it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seems like a good idea. Take a double stack 9 mm 1911, make it reliable, give it the features that everyone wants like RDS cut, light rail, etc. But that price… Totally worth it dude. Totally worth it. Is it, though? I'll take a closer look the next time I see one, but nothing has stood out as impressive when casually handling a couple examples. I seem to remember fit and finish that's clearly better than Kimber, but a step or two below Dan Wesson. When the Staccato P is more than double the price of a Kimber Custom TLE and ~25% more than a Dan Wesson Specialist, it's hard to see the value there. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 12:15:22 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it, though? I'll take a closer look the next time I see one, but nothing has stood out as impressive when casually handling a couple examples. I seem to remember fit and finish that's clearly better than Kimber, but a step or two below Dan Wesson. When the Staccato P is more than double the price of a Kimber Custom TLE and ~25% more than a Dan Wesson Specialist, it's hard to see the value there. It is 100% the fact that its a double stack "modern" 1911. Some folks really like the 1911 but want the benefits of double stack 9's and an RDO. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 12:35:08 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it, though? I'll take a closer look the next time I see one, but nothing has stood out as impressive when casually handling a couple examples. I seem to remember fit and finish that's clearly better than Kimber, but a step or two below Dan Wesson. When the Staccato P is more than double the price of a Kimber Custom TLE and ~25% more than a Dan Wesson Specialist, it's hard to see the value there. Does DW and Kimber make a 2011? Bc we aren't talking 8 Rd 1911s. We're talking a double stack 9mm with 17 Rd magazines, optic cuts, and a Modular grip setup. And compared to the Kimber we're also talking a gun that runs reliably. They're similar in heritage and concept, but in practical reality these guns are different guns. It would be like comparing an old ban Era bushmaster XM15 to a new Knights SR15 MOD 2. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 12:55:19 PM EDT
[#30]
Quoted: It is 100% the fact that its a double stack "modern" 1911. Some folks really like the 1911 but want the benefits of double stack 9's and an RDO. Quoted: Does DW and Kimber make a 2011? Bc we aren't talking 8 Rd 1911s. We're talking a double stack 9mm with 17 Rd magazines, optic cuts, and a Modular grip setup. And compared to the Kimber we're also talking a gun that runs reliably. They're similar in heritage and concept, but in practical reality these guns are different guns. It would be like comparing an old ban Era bushmaster XM15 to a new Knights SR15 MOD 2. There's nothing new, magical, or special about building double stack pistols. Double stack pistols have historically been very close in price their single stack peers. The new Beretta 92X RDO is $650. The CZ Shadow 2 Optics-Ready is $1,400. Where does the extra $1k between that and a Staccato P go? The Dan Wesson DWX, if they ever build the damn thing, has an MSRP of $1,799 which would theoretically put the street price in the $1,600 range when the new wears off. I am by no means saying the Staccatos are bad guns. But a good value? I'm not seeing it. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 12:56:52 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is 100% the fact that its a double stack "modern" 1911. Some folks really like the 1911 but want the benefits of double stack 9's and an RDO. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is it, though? I'll take a closer look the next time I see one, but nothing has stood out as impressive when casually handling a couple examples. I seem to remember fit and finish that's clearly better than Kimber, but a step or two below Dan Wesson. When the Staccato P is more than double the price of a Kimber Custom TLE and ~25% more than a Dan Wesson Specialist, it's hard to see the value there. It is 100% the fact that its a double stack "modern" 1911. Some folks really like the 1911 but want the benefits of double stack 9's and an RDO. Agreed. It’s not a fair comparison. If Dan Wesson ever builds the DWX that will make for a great comparison. If love to see some shootouts between a Staccato a Bul and a Rock Island. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 1:08:04 PM EDT
[#32]
I wish there were more real reports of them going through high round count classes and competitions. Love to see some torture tests with it up against glocks and other duty guns they market them against.
Their marketing included getting them in the hands of a whole lot of right people. Unfortunately that’s been done in the past and it takes a bit to wade through the bullshit and find good info. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 1:19:27 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ETA - full disclosure ... I only get to shoot my friends when we go to the range together or if he comes over Grammar matters. friends is not the same as friend's That is all. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 1:20:47 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I engraved GRIPZONE on my Glock, checkmate. I engraved GLOCK P E R F E C T I O N on my xd Your move |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 2:00:47 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Idk honestly. I do two gun stuff so maybe that. I compete, but kinda more "sign up for this 2 or 3 gun event at our club" stuff. I'm not trying to get ranked or anything. I just find it helps me shoot better. That’s what mine will be for. I’m tired of shooting the G34. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 2:04:16 PM EDT
[#36]
They are no different. That doesn’t mean they are good or bad. They are very well marketed through IG though. Look at all the people shooting them now of IG. Vast majority are former tier 1 guys.
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Posted: 10/21/2021 2:16:45 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: They are no different. That doesn’t mean they are good or bad. They are very well marketed through IG though. Look at all the people shooting them now of IG. Vast majority are former tier 1 guys. Steep LE/Mil discounts do that. Wouldn’t surprise me if there were a bunch of long term loaners and test guns out there many of which get bought by the tester again at a steep discount. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 2:22:08 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish there were more real reports of them going through high round count classes and competitions. Love to see some torture tests with it up against glocks and other duty guns they market them against. Their marketing included getting them in the hands of a whole lot of right people. Unfortunately that’s been done in the past and it takes a bit to wade through the bullshit and find good info. I know that Aaron with Sage Dynamics has tested a couple of them and they apparently passed with flying colors. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 2:22:30 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's nothing new, magical, or special about building double stack pistols. Double stack pistols have historically been very close in price their single stack peers. The new Beretta 92X RDO is $650. The CZ Shadow 2 Optics-Ready is $1,400. Where does the extra $1k between that and a Staccato P go? The Dan Wesson DWX, if they ever build the damn thing, has an MSRP of $1,799 which would theoretically put the street price in the $1,600 range when the new wears off. I am by no means saying the Staccatos are bad guns. But a good value? I'm not seeing it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It is 100% the fact that its a double stack "modern" 1911. Some folks really like the 1911 but want the benefits of double stack 9's and an RDO. Quoted: Does DW and Kimber make a 2011? Bc we aren't talking 8 Rd 1911s. We're talking a double stack 9mm with 17 Rd magazines, optic cuts, and a Modular grip setup. And compared to the Kimber we're also talking a gun that runs reliably. They're similar in heritage and concept, but in practical reality these guns are different guns. It would be like comparing an old ban Era bushmaster XM15 to a new Knights SR15 MOD 2. There's nothing new, magical, or special about building double stack pistols. Double stack pistols have historically been very close in price their single stack peers. The new Beretta 92X RDO is $650. The CZ Shadow 2 Optics-Ready is $1,400. Where does the extra $1k between that and a Staccato P go? The Dan Wesson DWX, if they ever build the damn thing, has an MSRP of $1,799 which would theoretically put the street price in the $1,600 range when the new wears off. I am by no means saying the Staccatos are bad guns. But a good value? I'm not seeing it. Double stack 1911s are entirely different animals. STI was the first company to really make a reliable double stack 1911, which was why they really took off with competitive shooters. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 2:28:51 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I engraved GLOCK P E R F E C T I O N on my xd Your move Imma buy a Stattaco XC and engrave GRIPZONE on it now. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 2:36:54 PM EDT
[#41]
I wish they hadn't dropped their single stack line. But if they can sell the same number of guns for twice or thrice the money, I guess it is what it is.
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Posted: 10/21/2021 2:43:14 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Imma buy a Stattaco XC and engrave GRIPZONE on it now. I'm gonna buy an atlas and engrave XD GRIPFECTION on it |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:03:05 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's nothing new, magical, or special about building double stack pistols. Double stack pistols have historically been very close in price their single stack peers. The new Beretta 92X RDO is $650. The CZ Shadow 2 Optics-Ready is $1,400. Where does the extra $1k between that and a Staccato P go? The Dan Wesson DWX, if they ever build the damn thing, has an MSRP of $1,799 which would theoretically put the street price in the $1,600 range when the new wears off. I am by no means saying the Staccatos are bad guns. But a good value? I'm not seeing it. BuT mUh StAcCaTo iS DuTy RaTeD!!!!11 |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:08:47 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hear Bul SAS II is better at half the price. But since Covid they have been unobtainable :( Yeah what happened to BUL? Israeli shut done hit them hard ? I called one of their distributor a few months ago and everything was sold out unfortunately |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:34:37 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just won a Texas Star & Polish plate rack contest with a 43X. I got second at normal plate rack. Learn to shoot. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:36:10 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah what happened to BUL? Israeli shut done hit them hard ? I called one of their distributor a few months ago and everything was sold out unfortunately Magnum Research is still importing their Jericho-like thing as the Baby Eagle III, no? |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:39:51 PM EDT
[#47]
As a former STI hater I think the newer Staccato's are the best deal in 2011's right now for the defensive side.
STI used to put out shitty unreliable magazines which they have fixed. I am a bit salty about how they treated their Open gun shooters, releasing guns that would break often compared to other open gun manufacturers then not fix them properly. These issues all seem to have been resolved with their rebranding and the fact they don't make open guns anymore. My only real gripe about the Staccato's is the plastic trigger and grip. As someone used to shooting with an extremely aggressive steel 2011 grip the plastic doesn't feel right. Magazines don't always drop free the same as a steel or aluminum gripped gun does. Not a problem, just a preference. I have quite a few friends with them who shoot with them in Open minor for USPSA for fun. They've all been reliable guns. I wouldn't hesitate to carry one. TLDR: Reliable, good 2011's. Not on the level of a "premium" 2011 like an Atlas. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 5:50:05 PM EDT
[#48]
I bought the STI Staccato P before they lengthened it.
Then I bought a Staccato C2. I thought the name change was because STI now means Sexually Transmitted Infection. 
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Posted: 10/23/2021 12:18:45 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Totally worth it dude. Totally worth it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seems like a good idea. Take a double stack 9 mm 1911, make it reliable, give it the features that everyone wants like RDS cut, light rail, etc. But that price… Totally worth it dude. Totally worth it. Pistols are used in niche scenarios and to fight to get to a carbine. 5 Glocks or this... |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 12:36:30 AM EDT
[#50]
Meh. They have three sitting collecting dust on the shelf at a store here in town.
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