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Posted: 6/28/2019 1:33:03 PM EDT

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I don't know what's wrong with me because that is an excellent deal. I just can't get past the looks of that lever design. I grew up watching old black and white reruns of westerns and that made me fall in love with the Winchester designs.
I know it's dumb but aesthetics is everything to me.

I can't be the only one. I even changed out the lever on my ranch hand because the large loop doesn't look close enough to the design on "Wanted Dead or Alive" with Steve McQueen.

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Yup.

Hate the pistol grip on Marlin lever guns. They look much better with a straight stock.

Posted: 6/28/2019 1:34:49 PM EDT

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why don't they THREAD them !!!!!

Posted: 6/28/2019 1:37:50 PM EDT

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This is a gun everyone should own. It's handy, it's cheap, it's a relatively nice gun (even after Remington buyout). It feels like it'd be the perfect knockaround rifle to throw in your UTV or lease truck if you're feeling like something other than an AR15.

33in overall length
16in barrel
5 round capacity
6.52lbs
Walnut furniture
Blued (more like parkerized IMO) finish

https://www.marlinfirearms.com/sites/default/files/styles/mar_catalog_product/public/OUTDATED-70524_Marlin-336Y-%28Order%2370524%29.png?itok=YUMDyRkq

Next to my 11.5" AR

https://i.imgur.com/71FR8Ht.jpg

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Where are they selling for that price?

Posted: 6/28/2019 1:38:46 PM EDT

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Where are they selling for that price?

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https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/marlin%C2%AE-336-compact-30-30-win-lever-action-rifle

Posted: 6/28/2019 1:46:20 PM EDT

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I load and shoot 130gr Speer hot core's @ 2600 out of my 20" SS 336. Took a doe last yr @ 270yds. That said I'll take it over your 11.5" 6.5.

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Take an 11.5" 6.5 Grendel with the 129gr ABLR (factory load BTW) and shoot it next to a 20" .30-30 with the 150gr Hornady RN:

11.5" 6.5 Grendel with a 129gr ABLR gives you:

100yds 2066fps 1223ft-lbs
200yds 1928fps 1065ft-lbs
300yds 1796fps 924ft-lbs
400yds 1671fps 800ft-lb

20" barreled .30-30 with a 150gr RN Hornady:

100yds 1879fps 1176ft-lbs
175yds 1599fps 852ft-lbs
200yds 1515fps 764ft-lbs

An 11.5" 6.5 Grendel has more energy at 400yds shooting a lighter bullet, than a 20" .30-30 does at 200yds. This is one of the easiest ways to show the layman how effective BC is compared to a known cartridge that dates back to 1895, and has been used to harvest untold numbers of deer and even large game at close range.

That said, I still think lever guns are fun and an important historical step in looking for an action that would handle repeating capability with metallic cartridges.

I load and shoot 130gr Speer hot core's @ 2600 out of my 20" SS 336. Took a doe last yr @ 270yds. That said I'll take it over your 11.5" 6.5.

Here's the ballistics for the 130gr Speer Hot-Cor at 2600fps (BC is .248 G1):

100yds 2256fps 1469ft-lbs
200yds 1940fps 1086ft-lbs
275yds 1722fps 856ft-lbs
300yds 1653fps 789ft-lbs

11.5" Grendel beats the .30-30 hand load at that distance. Your 20" .30-30 Win with that load does well out to 100yds, but falls off quickly from there. In practical terms, you could be carrying a smaller, lighter, more compact AR15 with more ballistic potential if you wanted to, with faster follow-up opportunity, superior optics mounting, and multiple use capability for the little carbine/pistol.

Posted: 6/28/2019 1:50:04 PM EDT

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The main interest I have in lever guns is because of my kids, who have been watching Top Shot lately, where a vast array of weapon types are used to test competitors' ability to adapt quickly and excel against the clock and other shooters.

My 7rd old daughter read a book on Annie Oakley as well, and is proving to be a good shot with the BB gun, so I think a lever gun might be something fun for the kids.

Posted: 6/28/2019 1:52:12 PM EDT

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I won a 336BL at an NRA dinner.

Pile of shit out of the box:

- super sticky and rough cycling lever
- no dehorning of the lever; slices the skin off your knuckles when the lever sticks
- "5 round" magazine only fits 4 rounds

If you want a Marlin, buy a used one from before Remington took over and fucked it up.

Posted: 6/28/2019 2:08:29 PM EDT

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Marlin 336Y Off hand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRI4Z55vRsg

Posted: 6/28/2019 3:28:09 PM EDT

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I really need 2 or 3 lever guns to round out my collection (I own 0 right now

). Aside from the fun factor, I'd like to get more familiar with them because I can imagine a day where they might be the best long-arm for self-defense in the legal environment of the near-ish future. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm not necessarily saying one would give up their semi-autos even if they become illegal, but a lever gun in a respectable caliber can handle a lot of jobs more than adequately.

I'd love to get my hands on one of the 16" .45 Colt guns that Marlin did exclusively for Talo in the late 90s.

(taken from an online classified ad)

Posted: 6/28/2019 3:29:32 PM EDT

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[double tap]

Posted: 6/28/2019 3:33:20 PM EDT

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20in barrel only for me, and preferably a Winchester.

Balances better for me and I get the higher velocity.

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Agreed. Also get 1-2 more cartridge capacity.

Posted: 6/28/2019 3:34:24 PM EDT

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How much difference in 30-30 performance out of 16" instead of 20" barrel?
I'm guessing inside 100 yards it makes little if any difference?

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For bullet drop? Not much.

For expansion and bullet performance? Speed always helps.

Posted: 6/28/2019 3:41:32 PM EDT

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I have an early 50s 336 carbine with the 20” tube. It’s pretty compact as is. Actually use it for my truck gun

Posted: 6/28/2019 3:44:07 PM EDT

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Fugly. Lever guns are supposed to have straight stocks and skinny forends.

Posted: 6/28/2019 3:45:20 PM EDT

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I won a 336BL at an NRA dinner.

Pile of shit out of the box:

- super sticky and rough cycling lever
- no dehorning of the lever; slices the skin off your knuckles when the lever sticks
- "5 round" magazine only fits 4 rounds

If you want a Marlin, buy a used one from before Remington took over and fucked it up.

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Got a Remlin 1895 in 45-70 a couple months back.

Not Of the same QC as JM Marlins but the action/accuracy was great! Price was also nice.

Lots of trusted manufactures go through peaks and troughs of QC. Ruger and their mini’s, S&W with their revolvers, Taurus chronically, Remington in the past 15 years, ammo manufacture recalls, Sig MIM in india parts etc...

Some Remlins being produced still have issues but it is up to you, the buyer to inspect it before you buy it, like any product.

But if you balk at an entire product line due to 1 experience from 1 manufacture then you will not be able to buy any gun from any manufacture as any mass manufacturing process will produce defects/QC issues. Some more than others. Inspect before you buy.

Posted: 6/28/2019 3:57:13 PM EDT

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Fugly. Lever guns are supposed to have straight stocks and skinny forends.

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So the Winchester model 64 is ugly? LOL

How about the 71?

Posted: 6/28/2019 4:15:25 PM EDT

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20" has a bit better balance, gets an extra shot, runs $150 cheaper used and avoids Remington's missteps getting their line running.

The money saved can go into all kinds of things, like a Lyman peep sight.

Posted: 6/28/2019 4:25:45 PM EDT

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Fugly. Lever guns are supposed to have straight stocks and skinny forends.

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What about Winchester 1894 semi-deluxe’s?

Posted: 6/28/2019 4:30:44 PM EDT

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If I could get a 16" in 44 or 45 for $399 there would be one in my safe.

Posted: 6/28/2019 4:31:26 PM EDT

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That’s cool.

Posted: 6/28/2019 4:33:40 PM EDT

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Posted: 6/28/2019 4:37:48 PM EDT

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I like mine!

Posted: 6/28/2019 4:41:10 PM EDT

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Cut down an old 336 and made my own......mo better.

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Posted: 6/28/2019 4:41:23 PM EDT

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That reminds me of my old Winchester .44 Trapper. I gave it to one of my nephews (He always loved it) for his B'day one year.

Any chance that they make one with a straight stock?

Posted: 6/28/2019 4:43:43 PM EDT

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Yup.

Hate the pistol grip on Marlin lever guns. They look much better with a straight stock.

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Have both and the pistol grip is actually more comfortable to shoot.

Posted: 6/28/2019 4:44:40 PM EDT

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I really want a .444P

Posted: 6/28/2019 4:45:51 PM EDT

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Here's the ballistics for the 130gr Speer Hot-Cor at 2600fps (BC is .248 G1):

100yds 2256fps 1469ft-lbs
200yds 1940fps 1086ft-lbs
275yds 1722fps 856ft-lbs
300yds 1653fps 789ft-lbs

11.5" Grendel beats the .30-30 hand load at that distance. Your 20" .30-30 Win with that load does well out to 100yds, but falls off quickly from there. In practical terms, you could be carrying a smaller, lighter, more compact AR15 with more ballistic potential if you wanted to, with faster follow-up opportunity, superior optics mounting, and multiple use capability for the little carbine/pistol.

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Well then I'll have to use the Hornady 140 LVR Flex tip @2550 LOL . Even though they didn't group as good as the 130 Speer HC. I'm gonna beat ya. I've shot many whitetails with AR's in 223 with a half a dozen different bullets, nothing to it. I use my AR's for coyotes plenty and I'd never own a 11.5 barrel in any caliber AR. Lever guns are just so dam sexy esp. the pistol gripped style. They belong in my hands when deer hunting. My 308's just hang on the wall now too. Even my Winchester Model 100, which I love shooting.

I started with lever guns over 50yrs ago, and I'm going back to where I started. lol ….. Wanted a 45-70 Marlin.

Posted: 6/28/2019 5:02:50 PM EDT

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I won a 336BL at an NRA dinner.

Pile of shit out of the box:

- super sticky and rough cycling lever
- no dehorning of the lever; slices the skin off your knuckles when the lever sticks
- "5 round" magazine only fits 4 rounds

If you want a Marlin, buy a used one from before Remington took over and fucked it up.

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The first yrs was a rough go. Marlin is crawling out the hole.

The latest models I've seen are gtg. Not the ones that have been standing in the LGS for 5yrs. Serial # check, very easy.
If you have a hard on for them it won't matter no how anyway.

Posted: 6/28/2019 5:06:11 PM EDT

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That reminds me of my old Winchester .44 Trapper. I gave it to one of my nephews (He always loved it) for his B'day one year.

Any chance that they make one with a straight stock?

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My Win Trapper has a straight stock, in 30-30 though. My wife had one in 44 and I want to say it was without a PG.

Posted: 6/28/2019 5:13:31 PM EDT

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I don't want to say anything bad about your rifle, but the new Marlins look better.

Much darker blue and wood is much better looking, don't get pissed, it's JMO. I have both.

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The new Remlins have absolutely terrible fit and finish.

I have an 1895 Remlin, and a few JM's. The JM"s are better made and more attractive than the Remlins in every way.

Posted: 6/28/2019 5:15:28 PM EDT

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You can also look for the Glenfield models. Old Marlin quality with plain wood.

This 30A cost me $190 (w/o scope) and has taken 5 deer in the last 3 seasons.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/91277/Glenfield_30_a_JPG-996878.jpg

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That end cap vs the barrel band usually yields better accuracy. I prefer the sights on a 30A over the buckhorn of the 336. I put some fancy century limited wood on my Marlins, and put some stock Marlin Walnut on my 30A.

Posted: 6/28/2019 5:18:51 PM EDT

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So the Winchester model 64 is ugly? LOL

http://images.gunsinternational.com/listings_sub/acc_13414/gi_100920513/WINCHESTER-MODEL-64-DELUXE-RIFLE_100920513_13414_9469DB3D18CC8278.JPG

How about the 71?

http://images.gunsinternational.com/listings_sub/acc_13414/gi_100691636/-WINCHESTER-MODEL-71-DELUXE-WITH-BOLT-PEEP_100691636_13414_495A887C391DFA96.jpg

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Now those are gorgeous.

I actually prefer the pistol grip stocks. That's why I went with a 39A instead of a 9422.

Liked it enough to add a few more Marlin levers, even though I'm in Winchester guy for the most part. Have a 94 and a 71 that Dad bought back in the day though. He wouldn't own a Winchester made after the late 50's. Even the late pre64 guns saw a drop in fit and finish.

Posted: 6/28/2019 5:28:31 PM EDT

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Mossberg's take:
https://www.mossberg.com/product/464-spx-centerfire-lever-action-rifle-41026/

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The gun Mossberg should have made

Posted: 6/28/2019 5:29:10 PM EDT

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My Win Trapper has a straight stock, in 30-30 though. My wife had one in 44 and I want to say it was without a PG.

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That reminds me of my old Winchester .44 Trapper. I gave it to one of my nephews (He always loved it) for his B'day one year.

Any chance that they make one with a straight stock?

My Win Trapper has a straight stock, in 30-30 though. My wife had one in 44 and I want to say it was without a PG.

That's how I remember mine. Really light little carbine.

Posted: 6/28/2019 5:49:20 PM EDT

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Cause everybody don’t want a thread

Posted: 6/28/2019 5:56:58 PM EDT

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Here's the ballistics for the 130gr Speer Hot-Cor at 2600fps (BC is .248 G1):

100yds 2256fps 1469ft-lbs
200yds 1940fps 1086ft-lbs
275yds 1722fps 856ft-lbs
300yds 1653fps 789ft-lbs

11.5" Grendel beats the .30-30 hand load at that distance. Your 20" .30-30 Win with that load does well out to 100yds, but falls off quickly from there. In practical terms, you could be carrying a smaller, lighter, more compact AR15 with more ballistic potential if you wanted to, with faster follow-up opportunity, superior optics mounting, and multiple use capability for the little carbine/pistol.

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Take an 11.5" 6.5 Grendel with the 129gr ABLR (factory load BTW) and shoot it next to a 20" .30-30 with the 150gr Hornady RN:

11.5" 6.5 Grendel with a 129gr ABLR gives you:

100yds 2066fps 1223ft-lbs
200yds 1928fps 1065ft-lbs
300yds 1796fps 924ft-lbs
400yds 1671fps 800ft-lb

20" barreled .30-30 with a 150gr RN Hornady:

100yds 1879fps 1176ft-lbs
175yds 1599fps 852ft-lbs
200yds 1515fps 764ft-lbs

An 11.5" 6.5 Grendel has more energy at 400yds shooting a lighter bullet, than a 20" .30-30 does at 200yds. This is one of the easiest ways to show the layman how effective BC is compared to a known cartridge that dates back to 1895, and has been used to harvest untold numbers of deer and even large game at close range.

That said, I still think lever guns are fun and an important historical step in looking for an action that would handle repeating capability with metallic cartridges.

I load and shoot 130gr Speer hot core's @ 2600 out of my 20" SS 336. Took a doe last yr @ 270yds. That said I'll take it over your 11.5" 6.5.

Here's the ballistics for the 130gr Speer Hot-Cor at 2600fps (BC is .248 G1):

100yds 2256fps 1469ft-lbs
200yds 1940fps 1086ft-lbs
275yds 1722fps 856ft-lbs
300yds 1653fps 789ft-lbs

11.5" Grendel beats the .30-30 hand load at that distance. Your 20" .30-30 Win with that load does well out to 100yds, but falls off quickly from there. In practical terms, you could be carrying a smaller, lighter, more compact AR15 with more ballistic potential if you wanted to, with faster follow-up opportunity, superior optics mounting, and multiple use capability for the little carbine/pistol.

How much for the 11.5” Grendel vs Lever Gun?

Not knocking the Grendel, great round but complete setup under 16” gets expensive fast.

Lever guns mechanically are easy to fix, simple to operate and rarely are ever on any ban list and also easy to transport in all 50 states for said hunting.

Posted: 6/28/2019 6:02:04 PM EDT

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The first yrs was a rough go. Marlin is crawling out the hole.

The latest models I've seen are gtg. Not the ones that have been standing in the LGS for 5yrs. Serial # check, very easy.
If you have a hard on for them it won't matter no how anyway.

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I won a 336BL at an NRA dinner.

Pile of shit out of the box:

- super sticky and rough cycling lever
- no dehorning of the lever; slices the skin off your knuckles when the lever sticks
- "5 round" magazine only fits 4 rounds

If you want a Marlin, buy a used one from before Remington took over and fucked it up.

The first yrs was a rough go. Marlin is crawling out the hole.

The latest models I've seen are gtg. Not the ones that have been standing in the LGS for 5yrs. Serial # check, very easy.
If you have a hard on for them it won't matter no how anyway.

Also, JM Marlin Employees when they found out they were bought out by Remington and were going to lose their jobs did not put 100% of their effort in the last rifles.

Call it a lack of motivation and passive aggressive revenge.

Just because it says JM marked Marlin does not mean it’s better QC.

Posted: 6/28/2019 6:11:38 PM EDT

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My Marlin 336CS

I like the 20" barrel and increased capacity.

Posted: 6/28/2019 6:29:49 PM EDT

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That end cap vs the barrel band usually yields better accuracy. I prefer the sights on a 30A over the buckhorn of the 336. I put some fancy century limited wood on my Marlins, and put some stock Marlin Walnut on my 30A.

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The rifle pictured is smokin' accurate. I have done 3 shot 1" groups @ 100 with Federal 150gr SP.

Just don't get it too warm then it starts to string a little.

Posted: 6/28/2019 7:01:21 PM EDT

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I bought a new 336Y that was built in Jan.2015. Fit and finish is every bit as nice, as my older JM's. All I did to mine, was add a Browning black horsehair sling and thicker recoil pad. The last mod made the LOP almost perfect, for me.
Just need to stock up more 30/30 ammo.

Posted: 6/28/2019 7:18:58 PM EDT

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I bought a new 336Y that was built in Jan.2015. Fit and finish is every bit as nice, as my older JM's. All I did to mine, was add a Browning black horsehair sling and thicker recoil pad. The last mod made the LOP almost perfect, for me.
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Based on barrel codes, mine is March of 2016.

Posted: 6/28/2019 8:00:33 PM EDT

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Cut down an old 336 and made my own......mo better.

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I'm listening......

Posted: 6/28/2019 8:11:57 PM EDT

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The new Remlins have absolutely terrible fit and finish.

I have an 1895 Remlin, and a few JM's. The JM"s are better made and more attractive than the Remlins in every way.

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Well then you got burnt. JM's are mo better yadayada. Ok. The new Marlins are getting better, pay attention to what your buying.

You bought a shitty 1895. You should have bought a good one eh?

Posted: 6/28/2019 8:32:24 PM EDT

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Got a Remlin 1895 in 45-70 a couple months back.

Not Of the same QC as JM Marlins but the action/accuracy was great! Price was also nice.

Lots of trusted manufactures go through peaks and troughs of QC. Ruger and their mini’s, S&W with their revolvers, Taurus chronically, Remington in the past 15 years, ammo manufacture recalls, Sig MIM in india parts etc...

Some Remlins being produced still have issues but it is up to you, the buyer to inspect it before you buy it, like any product.

But if you balk at an entire product line due to 1 experience from 1 manufacture then you will not be able to buy any gun from any manufacture as any mass manufacturing process will produce defects/QC issues. Some more than others. Inspect before you buy.

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I won a 336BL at an NRA dinner.

Pile of shit out of the box:

- super sticky and rough cycling lever
- no dehorning of the lever; slices the skin off your knuckles when the lever sticks
- "5 round" magazine only fits 4 rounds

If you want a Marlin, buy a used one from before Remington took over and fucked it up.

Got a Remlin 1895 in 45-70 a couple months back.

Not Of the same QC as JM Marlins but the action/accuracy was great! Price was also nice.

Lots of trusted manufactures go through peaks and troughs of QC. Ruger and their mini’s, S&W with their revolvers, Taurus chronically, Remington in the past 15 years, ammo manufacture recalls, Sig MIM in india parts etc...

Some Remlins being produced still have issues but it is up to you, the buyer to inspect it before you buy it, like any product.

But if you balk at an entire product line due to 1 experience from 1 manufacture then you will not be able to buy any gun from any manufacture as any mass manufacturing process will produce defects/QC issues. Some more than others. Inspect before you buy.

Get out of here with your positive thoughts and sensible advice!

Posted: 6/28/2019 8:39:48 PM EDT

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Posted: 6/28/2019 8:41:20 PM EDT

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This is a gun everyone should own. It's handy, it's cheap, it's a relatively nice gun (even after Remington buyout). It feels like it'd be the perfect knockaround rifle to throw in your UTV or lease truck if you're feeling like something other than an AR15.

33in overall length
16in barrel
5 round capacity
6.52lbs
Walnut furniture
Blued (more like parkerized IMO) finish

https://www.marlinfirearms.com/sites/default/files/styles/mar_catalog_product/public/OUTDATED-70524_Marlin-336Y-%28Order%2370524%29.png?itok=YUMDyRkq

Next to my 11.5" AR

https://i.imgur.com/71FR8Ht.jpg

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that's really cool... I like it a lot... I think I'd prefer it in .357 personally