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Posted: 8/18/2023 9:34:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Call it something else as in "Cincinnati Style Chili" or "Pennsylvania Style Bean, Corn and Mushroom Chili"......but not "Chili". If someone says they made a Philly cheesesteak sandwich and they hand me chopped hotdogs on a Kings Hawaiian roll.......it aint a Philly cheesesteak. No matter what your DEI office says, just because you think its a Philly, doesn't make it a Philly. Tacos aren't made with Wonder bread and ketchup. Barbecue doesn't come in a can. For fucks sake be a man and understand that Asian Inspired Beyond Meat Tofurkey Fusion with Beans is not Chili. Chili is a simple meat dish. It's chile peppers, seasonings and BEEF. Not deer, we call that "venison chili", not bear, that's "bear chili". And for heavens sake no bell peppers.....that's the sign of a pussy who don't know better. If there is green in your Bowl of Red, son, you fucked up. Habaneros, Ghost peppers, Carolina Reapers.......add nothing but heat and are the sign of a cook trying to hide his flavorless chili with heat. There ARE traditional chile peppers and they are perfect. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can't we just accept the fact that there's chili that has beans in it, and there's chili that doesn't... No. Call it something else as in "Cincinnati Style Chili" or "Pennsylvania Style Bean, Corn and Mushroom Chili"......but not "Chili". If someone says they made a Philly cheesesteak sandwich and they hand me chopped hotdogs on a Kings Hawaiian roll.......it aint a Philly cheesesteak. No matter what your DEI office says, just because you think its a Philly, doesn't make it a Philly. Tacos aren't made with Wonder bread and ketchup. Barbecue doesn't come in a can. For fucks sake be a man and understand that Asian Inspired Beyond Meat Tofurkey Fusion with Beans is not Chili. Chili is a simple meat dish. It's chile peppers, seasonings and BEEF. Not deer, we call that "venison chili", not bear, that's "bear chili". And for heavens sake no bell peppers.....that's the sign of a pussy who don't know better. If there is green in your Bowl of Red, son, you fucked up. Habaneros, Ghost peppers, Carolina Reapers.......add nothing but heat and are the sign of a cook trying to hide his flavorless chili with heat. There ARE traditional chile peppers and they are perfect. Challenge accepted. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 9:36:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The very words you use belie your premise. Why would "chili with meat" exist, were it not for the first existence of chili without meat? And without meat, what would chili be but pepper sauce? |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 9:38:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Beans are a low cost protein multiplier, and they belong in chili. 100% Beans are a low cost protein multiplier, FOR THE POORS and they DO NOT belong in REAL chili. 0% If you would adulterate Chili with Beans, next you'll to Substitute then into you hamburger or Pizza. Bigger_Hammer 
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Posted: 8/18/2023 9:39:49 PM EDT
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Pray for the 1st post, his brain has been exposed radiation.
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Posted: 8/18/2023 9:42:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The very words you use belie your premise. Why would "chili with meat" exist, were it not for the first existence of chili without meat? And without meat, what would chili be but pepper sauce? No, beans have always, and will always, be a part of proper chili. Scotchy hath spoken. (And as an aside, the very best chili I have ever tasted, [and I say this in complete seriousness as a man who has lived in New Orleans for a quarter of a century, and who has tasted MANY a great chili, with and without beans, from New Orleanians and native Texans alike,] was made by my vegetarian father with textured vegetable protein......and beans.) Dear Chili Historian, Your narrative is spicy and thought-provoking. But consider: those rugged cowboys roamed vast ranges without a bean in sight. Their chili was simplicity: meat and peppers under the Texan stars. The term "chili with meat" might sound redundant, but perhaps it's an ode to tradition, a stand against bean-filled variations. A nod to the original, beanless essence? |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 9:49:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The very words you use belie your premise. Why would "chili with meat" exist, were it not for the first existence of chili without meat? Quote HistoryQuoted: The very words you use belie your premise. Why would "chili with meat" exist, were it not for the first existence of chili without meat? First "chili with meat" is redundant. Chile peppers with meat, also called chile con carne IS what is commonly called Chili. So "chili with meat" means "chiles with meat with meat". Do you know what etouffee is? Would you agree that removing the shrimp, crab or crawdads from your etouffee means you no longer have etouffee? Of course you do. Would you agree that adding beans to your etouffee would change the dish? Of course you do. And without meat, what would chili be but pepper sauce? No, beans have always, and will always, be a part of proper chili. Scotchy hath spoken. Scotchy don't know shit. Without meat it wouldn't be chili, it would be a base of chile peppers and seasonings. "Proper" has a meaning that includes the word "genuine"......and adding something not originally part of a recipe doesn't make it proper. (And as an aside, the very best chili I have ever tasted, [and I say this in complete seriousness as a man who has lived in New Orleans for a quarter of a century, and who has tasted MANY a great chili, with and without beans, from New Orleanians and native Texans alike,] was made by my vegetarian father with textured vegetable protein......and beans.)  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 9:50:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: Ladies and gentlemen, gather round as I unveil the unspeakable travesty that has befallen our beloved culinary world: beans in chili. Now, I know what you’re thinking. “Beans? In chili? How bad could it possibly be?” Brace yourselves. First and foremost, let’s consult the annals of chili history. Chili con carne, a dish with roots deep in the heartland of Texas, was birthed in a world where the simple marriage of meat and spices was more than sufficient. It was a symphony of flavors, an ode to the prowess of the cowboy, and an anthem to the heat of the desert. But somewhere along the line, someone thought, "You know what this perfect dish needs? Beans." That's like saying the Mona Lisa needs a nose ring or Beethoven's 9th Symphony needs a rap solo. It's an affront to tradition and an absolute culinary catastrophe. Beans are traitorous little nuggets of deceit. They masquerade as meaty morsels but are nothing more than filler, distracting from the rich tapestry of flavors that chili inherently provides. They're like that one person who insists on singing along at a concert even though they're tone-deaf; they just don’t belong. And from a texture perspective? Oh, don’t even get me started. A good chili should have a harmonious consistency, with the meat being the star. Introducing beans into the mix is like inviting a marching band to a ballet performance. Suddenly, there's chaos, discord, and a lot of people questioning their life choices. Not to mention the gastrointestinal repercussions. Beans are notorious for their, ahem, musical side effects. Is that what we want for our chili eaters? A symphony of flatulence? I think not! Lastly, think of the children. Do we want to raise a generation that believes beans belong in chili? What other culinary monstrosities will they come to accept? Pineapple on pizza? Milk before cereal? The horror! So, next time someone suggests adding beans to chili, remember this impassioned plea. For the love of all things sacred in the culinary world, JUST SAY NO. Let us preserve the sanctity of chili, untainted and bean-free, for generations to come.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 9:52:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dear Chili Historian, Your narrative is spicy and thought-provoking. But consider: those rugged cowboys roamed vast ranges without a bean in sight. Their chili was simplicity: meat and peppers under the Texan stars. The term "chili with meat" might sound redundant, but perhaps it's an ode to tradition, a stand against bean-filled variations. A nod to the original, beanless essence? Uhhhh........beans were a staple on cattle drives. Dried beans. They didn't grow, pick them on the trail, but cooked dried beans. It was a cheap protein that didn't spoil on the trail. Meat was a luxury and if not fresh, was heavily salted. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 9:57:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dear bean advocate, while I acknowledge your argument about beans as a "low-cost protein multiplier," let us not forget the esteemed realm of chili purists. Chili is the food of gods, transcending mere mortal concoctions. Beans, however, have long been the fare of the poors. Adding beans to chili is akin to wearing socks with sandals at a fashion show or serving boxed wine at a wine tasting. They might fill the pot and the belly, but they reduce the dish's noble essence. So, before championing beans in chili, recall: just as a racehorse isn't meant for farm labor, chili isn’t meant for beans. Keep beans in their simple stews, and chili in its regal splendor. I appreciate your perspective, candor, and articulate response sir. Chili is indeed the food of poors, that is where it began. Cook with what you have in a quality pot over a fire you made. That is money. I grow my own beans and elevate it to something my family request. Pulled pork, pot roast, smoked ham….whichever you choose with beans. Garden tomatoes, garlic, onion, herbs and smoke as jus go in every batch of chili I make, yet to have anyone not come back for seconds and it cost pennies. Beans should be soaked and al dente. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 10:02:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Beans are disgusting filler for poors who can't afford a true all meat chili. The same goes for rice, etc. You may ADD beans TO chili, but beans do not MAKE chili, chili. now... /thread.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 10:02:27 PM EDT
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Seriously, ya'll who love chili need to read A Bowl of Red
I bought my hardback copy for $1.98 at Half Price Books in Dallas about twenty years ago. Not only does he discuss the history and origins of chili, but the founding of the Chili Appreciation Society International, chili powder, tamales and enchiladas, pinto beans and cornbread. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 10:05:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I appreciate your perspective, candor, and articulate response sir. Chili is indeed the food of poors, that is where it began. Cook with what you have in a quality pot over a fire you made. That is money. I grow my own beans and elevate it to something my family request. Pulled pork, pot roast, smoked ham….whichever you choose with beans. Garden tomatoes, garlic, onion, herbs and smoke as jus go in every batch of chili I make, yet to have anyone not come back for seconds and it cost pennies. Beans should be soaked and al dente. You ever wonder why? They still hungry after eating vegetable soup. 
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Posted: 8/18/2023 10:06:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I appreciate your perspective, candor, and articulate response sir. Chili is indeed the food of poors, that is where it began. Cook with what you have in a quality pot over a fire you made. That is money. I grow my own beans and elevate it to something my family request. Pulled pork, pot roast, smoked ham….whichever you choose with beans. Garden tomatoes, garlic, onion, herbs and smoke as jus go in every batch of chili I make, yet to have anyone not come back for seconds and it cost pennies. Beans should be soaked and al dente. Just think of how good it would be without the beans. 
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Posted: 8/18/2023 10:11:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not rating this thread until the Ohio guys chime in. @TheWhitePill |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 10:40:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So if there are no beans, what is chili? Beef stew? Basically. Why is that so hard to fathom? When I think of chili, this is what I think of:  |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 10:43:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Basically. Why is that so hard to fathom? When I think of chili, this is what I think of: https://www.chilipeppermadness.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Texas-Chili-SQ2-2021.jpg Ok so this is a beef stew thread, thats different than what I thought. Beef stew goes good with potatoes |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 10:45:49 PM EDT
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Let me say this: My wife is from Nebraska. Unfortunately, she was corrupted by her family and her chili is basically a bean soup with ground beef and a Tbsp of chili powder. I will admit that it's actually pretty darn tasty. Many of the people in this thread who advocate beans in chili have a recipe that probably looks very similar to that, and I'm sure those are also tasty and I would probably eat the hell out of them.
They're just not chili. 
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Posted: 8/18/2023 10:48:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok so this is a beef stew thread, thats different than what I thought. Beef stew goes good with potatoes ...except that this "beef stew" will rip your face off and incinerate your potatoes with a dismissive glance. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 10:49:18 PM EDT
[#19]
I would absolutely try it.
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Posted: 8/18/2023 10:49:50 PM EDT
[#20]
I'm open for all the things
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Posted: 8/18/2023 10:53:59 PM EDT
[#21]
This thread has me considering adding beens to my red wine.
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Posted: 8/18/2023 11:00:18 PM EDT
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I think I get it though. I'm rewatching falling down. It's refreshing that things are more real. So chili without beans is like the 2020s version? Where with beans is like the legacy racist version?
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Posted: 8/18/2023 11:00:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok so this is a beef stew thread, thats different than what I thought. Beef stew goes good with potatoes What stews are made with rehydrated and fresh chilis? Why do we call it chili to begin with? Oh yeah...  |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 11:42:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Chili has beans, corn, and noodles. Corn? Noodles? You must be from Ohio |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 12:02:19 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The early European Texans we all learned about in school? Thanks for the reminder. |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 12:15:45 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I made this chart eons ago, and most of the people in this thread seem to follow the pattern... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/38579/11120.JPG  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 8:28:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @TheWhitePill Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not rating this thread until the Ohio guys chime in. @TheWhitePill I don’t put beans in my chili. |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 8:43:06 AM EDT
[#28]
Let's be honest. Beans are an extender in chili. It's expensive to use nothing but meat in chili. Throw in a large can of beans, and you have a cheap source of protein.
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Posted: 8/19/2023 8:49:42 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Chili is a beef stew variant, the only thing it has in common with spaghetti sauce is absolutely nothing. They both probably have garlic in them. About it. |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 8:50:14 AM EDT
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I can almost guarantee that the original "chili" made by the so called Chili Queens in San Antonio area very likely had beans. At least some had beans.
Eat with beans, don't eat with beans. Who cares. |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 8:52:34 AM EDT
[#31]
Off to buy beans.
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Posted: 8/19/2023 9:04:18 AM EDT
[#32]
Everything my wife cooks is a Culinary Masterpiece. She puts beans in chili. End of story.
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Posted: 8/19/2023 9:07:39 AM EDT
[#33]
Chili with beans is a meal.
Chili without beans is a condiment. |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 9:20:37 AM EDT
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Quoted: Ladies and gentlemen, gather round as I unveil the unspeakable travesty that has befallen our beloved culinary world: beans in chili. Now, I know what you're thinking. "Beans? In chili? How bad could it possibly be?" Brace yourselves. First and foremost, let's consult the annals of chili history. Chili con carne, a dish with roots deep in the heartland of Texas, was birthed in a world where the simple marriage of meat and spices was more than sufficient. It was a symphony of flavors, an ode to the prowess of the cowboy, and an anthem to the heat of the desert. But somewhere along the line, someone thought, "You know what this perfect dish needs? Beans." That's like saying the Mona Lisa needs a nose ring or Beethoven's 9th Symphony needs a rap solo. It's an affront to tradition and an absolute culinary catastrophe. Beans are traitorous little nuggets of deceit. They masquerade as meaty morsels but are nothing more than filler, distracting from the rich tapestry of flavors that chili inherently provides. They're like that one person who insists on singing along at a concert even though they're tone-deaf; they just don't belong. And from a texture perspective? Oh, don't even get me started. A good chili should have a harmonious consistency, with the meat being the star. Introducing beans into the mix is like inviting a marching band to a ballet performance. Suddenly, there's chaos, discord, and a lot of people questioning their life choices. Not to mention the gastrointestinal repercussions. Beans are notorious for their, ahem, musical side effects. Is that what we want for our chili eaters? A symphony of flatulence? I think not! Lastly, think of the children. Do we want to raise a generation that believes beans belong in chili? What other culinary monstrosities will they come to accept? Pineapple on pizza? Milk before cereal? The horror! So, next time someone suggests adding beans to chili, remember this impassioned plea. For the love of all things sacred in the culinary world, JUST SAY NO. Let us preserve the sanctity of chili, untainted and bean-free, for generations to come. |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 9:22:19 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can almost guarantee that the original "chili" made by the so called Chili Queens in San Antonio area very likely had beans. At least some had beans. Eat with beans, don't eat with beans. Who cares. |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 9:37:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't make me post a pic of my vegan chili. No meat. Just beans!  
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Posted: 8/19/2023 9:42:33 AM EDT
[#37]
The OP is clearly from Ohio so therefore any and all good advice given by him and the people that agree with him are hereby null and void.
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Posted: 8/19/2023 9:47:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2023 9:48:33 AM EDT
[#39]
You make a very strong case against beans, OP.
I'm convinced. And Vegan Chili is a frikkin abomination. |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 9:55:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doubtful. Beans require soaking, beef was cheap and readily available and easier to cook. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can almost guarantee that the original "chili" made by the so called Chili Queens in San Antonio area very likely had beans. At least some had beans. Eat with beans, don't eat with beans. Who cares. I don't think beef was cheap, even on a cattle drive. Nor do I think the requirement of soaking the beans kept cookie from making them. |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 10:00:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think beef was cheap, even on a cattle drive. Nor do I think the requirement of soaking the beans kept cookie from making them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I can almost guarantee that the original "chili" made by the so called Chili Queens in San Antonio area very likely had beans. At least some had beans. Eat with beans, don't eat with beans. Who cares. I don't think beef was cheap, even on a cattle drive. Nor do I think the requirement of soaking the beans kept cookie from making them. |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 10:07:10 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Beans belong in chili. First post definitely did not nail it. 
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Posted: 8/19/2023 10:10:25 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Says the Yankee heathen. Beans do NOT belong in chili Born and raised in TX. Chili has always had beans in it where I grew up. I like beans, I like beef, I like chilis, I like them all together in a dish we call "Chili"... |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 10:11:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't we just accept the fact that there's chili that has beans in it, and there's chili that doesn't. You can’t even get Tex to admit that chili is actually Mexican and not cowboy. |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 10:12:35 AM EDT
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Beans give me gas...
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Posted: 8/19/2023 10:19:42 AM EDT
[#46]
I approve of MSKSS' perspective regarding chili.
Chili beans is an entirely different dish mistaken by many Americans to be chili. As any Mexican if (s)he puts fry-joes (frijoles) in chili. You'll get a  
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Posted: 8/19/2023 10:57:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can't even get Tex to admit that chili is actually Mexican and not cowboy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can't we just accept the fact that there's chili that has beans in it, and there's chili that doesn't. You can't even get Tex to admit that chili is actually Mexican and not cowboy. |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 11:08:03 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love that the FPNI and Texans have to see it. This made me laugh. My chili has multiple kinds of beans, and it's fucking epic.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 11:08:08 AM EDT
[#49]
I made chili yesterday. No fucking beans, they just displace where more meat, onions, and jalapeños could be.
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Posted: 8/19/2023 11:14:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What exactly is the sin? How does the rice violate the chili or offend the eater? The rice has clean hands and is deserving of absolution. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sir, while I appreciate the geometrical nuances of your argument, suggesting that two foods touching 'vertically' versus 'horizontally' absolves one of culinary sins is, frankly, preposterous. What exactly is the sin? How does the rice violate the chili or offend the eater? The rice has clean hands and is deserving of absolution. Adding cheap rice was definitely my move, back in college. It's how one meal got stretched into two. Adding the really really cheap 25 cent macaroni and cheese to the relatively expensive hamburger helper, made with venison, stretched it out a bit too. |
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