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Posted: 3/19/2022 11:54:41 AM EDT
[#1]
I would be curious to see what the G7 BC is for the bullets they are using. The gunsamerica graphic had the G1 which isn't very useful.
It would be interesting to see the wind drift component vs. 6.5 or 6mm creedmoor. Elevation is rarely the problem at the range that the advantages are being touted. Wind is..... Less drop is less crucial than less drift. The 277 Fury was first thought of as a cartridge for a belt fed machine gun. Stellite barrel liners and less than perfect accuracy are ok in a belt fed. Accuracy testing will be interesting as will barrel life in a platform where accuracy is more important. This might wind up being the best thing since sliced bread, but it is absolutely going to come with some drawbacks. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 11:55:32 AM EDT
[#2]
So, in a couple/three years when they quit making it, where will you get parts?
Yes, I have 2 SIG rifles and 1 SIG pistol and parts for all three are just about impossible to find since they've quit making them. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 11:58:59 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your funeral when the Indian MIM parts break. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:01:48 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The imperative issue the Army has is justifying it’s budget increases year after year. If you don’t find a reason to waste money, they lower your budget the following year. Same reason the military(entire government) is always funding research that makes no sense just to ditch and go back to what they already had. This is exactly correct. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:31:52 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would be curious to see what the G7 BC is for the bullets they are using. The gunsamerica graphic had the G1 which isn't very useful. It would be interesting to see the wind drift component vs. 6.5 or 6mm creedmoor. Elevation is rarely the problem at the range that the advantages are being touted. Wind is..... Less drop is less crucial than less drift. Wind #'s are in the same ballpark. I used the bullets, MV's, and BC's from the G&A article for .277F. For 6.5 CM I took my own chrono numbers from factory Hornady 140's and 120's, from a 18" gas gun, and scaled them back to 16" using Quickload. _Bullet_ _BC_ _MV_ 0 200 400 600 800 1000 1200 | YARDS 277F 135 16 0.488 3000 > 0.00 0.28 0.60 0.96 1.36 1.82 2.33 | wind (mil) 277F 150 16 0.591 2900 > 0.00 0.24 0.51 0.81 1.13 1.49 1.89 | wind (mil) 6.5CM 140ELDM 0.646 2532 > 0.00 0.27 0.57 0.89 1.24 1.63 2.06 | wind (mil) 6.5CM 120ELDM 0.486 2700 > 0.00 0.33 0.71 1.13 1.60 2.14 2.73 | wind (mil) |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:35:40 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I could build multiple decked out Gucci AR's W/Optics and buy NV gear for that. What if you had a bunch of those already and had an unlimited fun money bank account and wanted a spear? |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:38:49 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: While I think Sig makes some excellent and innovative products, they play the market--you like a fiddle. Some folks are jacking off to every thing they put out. The new line of pistols with the comps is the latest line of gun porn. And if you listen to the peddlers, you will die of not carrying them. Gee, look muh split time is .003 faster You’re right, I suppose I’ll just start making repeated threads of the same AR15 pictures as naesuem instead. For the internets largest gun website, people here really love to shit all over guns. I wonder, on a personality disposition level how many here whining about new technology would have been the same ones whining about the M16 when it was first introduced. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:45:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2022 1:03:10 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wind #'s are in the same ballpark. I used the bullets, MV's, and BC's from the G&A article for .277F. For 6.5 CM I took my own chrono numbers from factory Hornady 140's and 120's, from a 18" gas gun, and scaled them back to 16" using Quickload. _Bullet_ _BC_ _MV_ 0 200 400 600 800 1000 1200 | YARDS 277F 135 16 0.488 3000 > 0.00 0.28 0.60 0.96 1.36 1.82 2.33 | wind (mil) 277F 150 16 0.591 2900 > 0.00 0.24 0.51 0.81 1.13 1.49 1.89 | wind (mil) 6.5CM 140ELDM 0.646 2532 > 0.00 0.27 0.57 0.89 1.24 1.63 2.06 | wind (mil) 6.5CM 120ELDM 0.486 2700 > 0.00 0.33 0.71 1.13 1.60 2.14 2.73 | wind (mil) Great info, thank you. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 1:05:23 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You’re right, I suppose I’ll just start making repeated threads of the same AR15 pictures as naesuem instead. For the internets largest gun website, people here really love to shit all over guns. I wonder, on a personality disposition level how many here whining about new technology would have been the same ones whining about the M16 when it was first introduced. The pictures are interesting. A range report would be a great to go along with it! Particularly observations on felt recoil and some group sizes with a decent magnified optic. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 1:05:26 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder, on a personality disposition level how many here whining about new technology would have been the same ones whining about the M16 when it was first introduced. Probably about half. The flip-side, of course, is the group that champions new, untested shit while labeling anyone who takes a cautious approach a "fudd". Like you say, though: it's a discussion board. It wouldn't be much of a discussion board if everyone shared the same opinion. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 1:27:55 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: .17 Fury will be where it’s at.  Barrel life would match load development cycle...... |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 1:36:05 PM EDT
[#13]
fugly
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Posted: 3/19/2022 1:44:52 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't hate it. What'd that run you? Pretty sure they were running around $7K+. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/275845/Screen_Shot_2022-03-18_at_4_27_46_PM-2317974.png There must be some mad panic or dark sorcery for those prices! I'd take a half dozen assorted ARs and 50,000 rounds of ammo instead. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 1:55:43 PM EDT
[#15]
sig USA is a pathetic shell of the former company. Cutting cost to increase profits really fucked their legacy of durable and reliable firearms.
that rifle is sweet and i would buy one from a competitor but sig will not get any of my money |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 1:58:16 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: fugly I dont give a shit what it looks like. Most of the implementations are desirable but not exactly groundbreaking. JP has been doing adjustable gas blocks and side charging AR10s for years. My 60+ year old FAL has finger adjustable gas settings. The folding stock looks well done and could be handy at certain times getting into and out of tight spaces. Ambidextrous and integrated sling mounts are common even if not completely standard. The steel insert bearing surfaces for receiver longevity are a nice touch. Are they a potential failure point? To me it looks like the big potential is how the new cartridge works out. The overall form of the rifle itself is great. But it's very disingenuous to compare it to an AR15 firing 5.56. Accuracy comparisons vs. existing large frame AR10 platforms, actual ballistic performance of the new cartridge, barrel and component life with 80k PSI chamber pressure will all be interesting to see. I would jump at the chance to shoot one! |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:01:35 PM EDT
[#17]
I’m jelly. That’s a cool rifle.
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:03:07 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You’re right, I suppose I’ll just start making repeated threads of the same AR15 pictures as naesuem instead. For the internets largest gun website, people here really love to shit all over guns. I wonder, on a personality disposition level how many here whining about new technology would have been the same ones whining about the M16 when it was first introduced. No your wrong again. We don't shit all over guns, we shit all over you because of your flamboyant post. If your thread were titled "new sig spear yay" we would have said cool. Instead you tell us that your new unproven tech is the way forward and how it's so much better. A lot of us have and do depend on the old proven tech to keep us alive. Of course we were going to tear down your claims. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:04:49 PM EDT
[#19]
What a time to be alive my friends. Very nice OP, solid flex.
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:11:26 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: [/b]sig USA is a pathetic shell of the former company. Cutting cost to increase profits really fucked their legacy of durable and reliable firearms. that rifle is sweet and i would buy one from a competitor but sig will not get any of my money The MCX is the most relevant non-AR rifle in the world right now. And you want a competitor to build a rifle that is a proprietary Sig design. / |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:12:32 PM EDT
[#21]
Other that the particular round I just don't see what vast improvements this makes.
I really don't understand the price tag, even when I am the guy that owns a Barrett M82. what keeps companies like KAC etc from making a upper that shoots the new round? does it need something stronger than the Unicorn horn steel to handle the pressure of the new round? Like the SCAR and 416, still not seeing the juice being worth the squeeze. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:15:27 PM EDT
[#22]
Poor OP
 Sig will discontinue it soon, completely abandon the line/tooling and leave him swinging in the wind for parts. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:16:45 PM EDT
[#23]
A sig to replace the mighty AR15? ??
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:19:48 PM EDT
[#24]
Bet my left nut it shoots no better than an SR25/15
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:21:32 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Uhhhhhhhhuh. The MCX is the most relevant non-AR rifle in the world right now. And you want a competitor to build a rifle that is a proprietary Sig design. /Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: [/b]sig USA is a pathetic shell of the former company. Cutting cost to increase profits really fucked their legacy of durable and reliable firearms. that rifle is sweet and i would buy one from a competitor but sig will not get any of my money The MCX is the most relevant non-AR rifle in the world right now. And you want a competitor to build a rifle that is a proprietary Sig design. /A certain Mr. AK47 is on the line, sir. He'd like to speak with you. Seriously, I can't remember the last time I've even seen an MCX. A fine rifle to be sure, but the second most relevant rifle in the world? I think not. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:22:45 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A sig to replace the mighty AR15? Those pictures I've seen are just a bunch of larpers? |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:23:02 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you ever tried tracking down spare KAC parts? Also, the design is built around higher cycle life parts. Spare Parts availability is also irrelevant on whether or not the rifle is superior. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No it is not A proprietary system, that SIG will discontinue 2 years from now and make spare parts IMPOSSIBLE to find is NOT an improvement on a AR10 system that Larue, LMT, KAC and others have mastered. Have you ever tried tracking down spare KAC parts? Also, the design is built around higher cycle life parts. Spare Parts availability is also irrelevant on whether or not the rifle is superior. Yeah, they're easy to find any time other than when there's a panic. When there IS a panic it seems Kac sells out the fastest. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:26:04 PM EDT
[#28]
The US military has been using the AR design for 60 years now, but people think they need an $8,000 rifle. Some people will buy anything, especially if it's overpriced to hell and back just for bragging rights. Gun companies know this.
An analogy. I knew a lady who would bake pies and sell them for $5 each. She did okay, but someone told her she should charge more for them, so she upped the price to $8 each and when she did, she couldn't bake them fast enough. People falsely believe that if they spend more on something then it must be better than something less expensive. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:30:13 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ”Man, that Bugatti is really cool, but my Kia Forte is superior because there’s more widely available service shops!” Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like a nice rifle, but any "superiority" over the AR that it has is immediately negated by the fact that there is little-to-no support for it in terms of spare parts. ”Man, that Bugatti is really cool, but my Kia Forte is superior because there’s more widely available service shops!” Except sig isn't Bugatti. Maybe if it were HK or Kac I'd agree. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 2:59:34 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A certain Mr. AK47 is on the line, sir. He'd like to speak with you. Seriously, I can't remember the last time I've even seen an MCX. A fine rifle to be sure, but the second most relevant rifle in the world? I think not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: [/b]sig USA is a pathetic shell of the former company. Cutting cost to increase profits really fucked their legacy of durable and reliable firearms. that rifle is sweet and i would buy one from a competitor but sig will not get any of my money The MCX is the most relevant non-AR rifle in the world right now. And you want a competitor to build a rifle that is a proprietary Sig design. /A certain Mr. AK47 is on the line, sir. He'd like to speak with you. Seriously, I can't remember the last time I've even seen an MCX. A fine rifle to be sure, but the second most relevant rifle in the world? I think not.  MCXs are being adopted faster than AKs are, and by elite units, not 3rd world poors countries. A bunch of Ricky Recon-type guys had them in Afghanistan, Syria, and we see them now in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:04:56 PM EDT
[#31]
I'm a big MCX fan. I have a legacy 300blk suppressed MCX SBR and a 5.56 virtus.
What's the difference between the spear and the virtus? Sorry if it's been covered in the thread, if it has just tell me to read the thread. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:05:40 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Poor OP Sig will discontinue it soon, completely abandon the line/tooling and leave him swinging in the wind for parts. Ha! Goteem! There's no way it would be treated as a collector's item and gain value to collectors as a military trial weapon (with it's own suppressor). Should have bought 16 PSAs instead. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:11:17 PM EDT
[#33]
Pretty nice boutique gun.
Would rather have a Sig 550 if we are talking Sig rifles in the $2500+ range though |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:11:46 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pass. It's not 6k better than a decent ar |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:17:26 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a big MCX fan. I have a legacy 300blk suppressed MCX SBR and a 5.56 virtus. What's the difference between the spear and the virtus? Sorry if it's been covered in the thread, if it has just tell me to read the thread. The biggest difference is in size. The MCX Spear is to the MCX Virtus what a SR25 is to a SR15. Larger magwell to accept the DPMS pattern 308 magazines. Sig has mentioned they'll be offering a 308 and 6.5C barrel for it, sometime in the future. The Spear also has an ambidextrous bolt catch/release (something missing from the Virtus) and a left side charging handle (in addition to the standard AR-15 charging handle). There are some updates to the handguard design, which some images exist of a similar design on the standard MCX. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:18:29 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The biggest difference is in size. The MCX Spear is to the MCX Virtus what a SR25 is to a SR15. Larger magwell to accept the DPMS pattern 308 magazines. Sig has mentioned they'll be offering a 308 and 6.5C barrel for it, sometime in the future. The Spear also has an ambidextrous bolt catch/release (something missing from the Virtus) and a left side charging handle (in addition to the standard AR-15 charging handle). There are some updates to the handguard design, which some images exist of a similar design on the standard MCX. Thank you! |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:19:14 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that a toilet float on the muzzle?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It has a buffer tube stock because...why? Still think this one makes more sense: https://cdn.athlonoutdoors.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2022/02/Untitled-design.png Is that a toilet float on the muzzle? Actually, it's a new design 3D mfg silencer, but I digress. Learning new things isn't for everyone. Still want to know why it has a buffer tube stock assy. Guessing it's owed to starting with an AR10 as the design basis. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:21:26 PM EDT
[#38]
Back when I had a couple of 556 Patrols in my collection, I broke the factory adjustable stock on my primary.
Sorry, that part isn't available... THE FREAKING SIG FACTORY IS TWENTY MINUTES AWAY FROM ME I ended up replacing it with a Swiss part that was sent over from Europe. The Swiss part was superior in every way. That taught me everything I needed to know. And I loved that little carbine. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:22:54 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably a contract requirement Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Forward assist with a side charger Probably a contract requirement The design is fundamentally derived from the AR10, & has the original rear charging handle along with the FA plug. SIG just decided to add the side charger, as it wasn't forbidden by the RFP. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:30:08 PM EDT
[#40]
AR-15 killer...
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:35:03 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll stick with my SR15. Thanks though. This. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:43:44 PM EDT
[#42]
Omg it doesn't have a buffer tube and instead has a folding stock! That's never been done before!
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Posted: 3/19/2022 3:56:43 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryWhen is your trash pick up day? I'll be by that morning to lighten their load. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 4:14:02 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No your wrong again. We don't shit all over guns, we shit all over you because of your flamboyant post. If your thread were titled "new sig spear yay" we would have said cool. Instead you tell us that your new unproven tech is the way forward and how it's so much better. A lot of us have and do depend on the old proven tech to keep us alive. Of course we were going to tear down your claims. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You’re right, I suppose I’ll just start making repeated threads of the same AR15 pictures as naesuem instead. For the internets largest gun website, people here really love to shit all over guns. I wonder, on a personality disposition level how many here whining about new technology would have been the same ones whining about the M16 when it was first introduced. No your wrong again. We don't shit all over guns, we shit all over you because of your flamboyant post. If your thread were titled "new sig spear yay" we would have said cool. Instead you tell us that your new unproven tech is the way forward and how it's so much better. A lot of us have and do depend on the old proven tech to keep us alive. Of course we were going to tear down your claims. Maybe, and hear me out for a second, if people didn't have a stick planted firmly up their rectum, they would see the post for what it is... Obviously a joke, a play on the whole "my new thing means everything else is obsolete", and not to be taken as literal. Perhaps if people would actually read the playfully exaggerated points down to the "why haven't you accepted SIG Sauer USA as your lord and savior yet?", they would realize the person who is touting the obvious "collectors" gun(that as far as I'm aware is the first one in someone on the boards hands) that doesn't even have the ammo out yet, instead of immediately digging into "just as good" or parts supply chain on a rifle that is literally marketed as "First Production Run Special Edition". Even more so when the thread is done in the exact format of another thread that was doing the exact same thing, with another thread two weeks after of the gun malfunctioning as an even bigger clue for people that didn't get the joke the first time. Even more so there are people that are so hard headed they will argue that actual improvements are unnecessary as a way to further strengthen their cognitive dissonance, and will start making a bunch of arguments against a gun they've never even seen in person. FFS, I put three transferable colts in a trash can and people still didn't understand it's all in jest. 
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Posted: 3/19/2022 4:34:47 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FFS, I put three transferable colts in a trash can The way you have them set up they belong there. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 4:41:45 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The way you have them set up they belong there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: FFS, I put three transferable colts in a trash can The way you have them set up they belong there. Not how I set them up, how the Colt Factory set them up, and they're fairly rare variants so they'll likely stay that way, unless they get turned into clone rifles. I'll drill a third hole in anything I want to be "cool". |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 4:42:22 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not how I set them up, how the Colt Factory set them up, and they're fairly rare variants so they'll likely stay that way, unless they get turned into clone rifles. Both options are gross. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 4:45:19 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Both options are gross. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not how I set them up, how the Colt Factory set them up, and they're fairly rare variants so they'll likely stay that way, unless they get turned into clone rifles. Both options are gross. Just your opinion, and it also happens to be wrong. Got plenty of rifles setup "the way I want them". 
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Posted: 3/19/2022 4:46:48 PM EDT
[#49]
277 FURY .. good luck with that, but op got nice stuff.
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Posted: 3/19/2022 5:03:07 PM EDT
[#50]
Was I the only on to read that as SIG FURRY and think WTF! before realizing it was FURY?
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