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Posted: 11/26/2016 10:51:16 AM EDT
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Nice looking rifles.
Maybe next they could build a Ruby Ridge Comemrative FBI Sniper Rifle and have LH autograph a few of them. Maybe include some accessories like a few "Minute Of Lady Holding A Baby" sighting in targets to get that scope dialed in just right. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 11:00:53 AM EDT
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Would you be mad if they shot the wife of a jihadistWho was selling guns to be used against American soldiers instead of the wife of a white supremacist who thought he sold a gun to a terrorist? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I find it funny that you all boycott Troy but can't wait for Norinco's and Russian guns. Strange world Neither China nor Russia killed Vicki Weaver. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Nice try, but no amount of spin makes that a good shoot. I don't care if that baby was a fucking serpentor of evil being spawned by the Weaver's to take over the world and Vicki was the mastermind of it all. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 11:11:51 AM EDT
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Nice try, but no amount of spin makes that a good shoot. I don't care if that baby was a fucking serpentor of evil being spawned by the Weaver's to take over the world and Vicki was the mastermind of it all. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I find it funny that you all boycott Troy but can't wait for Norinco's and Russian guns. Strange world Neither China nor Russia killed Vicki Weaver. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Nice try, but no amount of spin makes that a good shoot. I don't care if that baby was a fucking serpentor of evil being spawned by the Weaver's to take over the world and Vicki was the mastermind of it all. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile My Ruby Ridge trivia is a bit rusty, but didn't they always contend that they were shooting at Kevin Harris and accidentally hit her? |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 11:15:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Ruby Ridge trivia is a bit rusty, but didn't they always contend that they were shooting at Kevin Harris and accidentally hit her? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I find it funny that you all boycott Troy but can't wait for Norinco's and Russian guns. Strange world Neither China nor Russia killed Vicki Weaver. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Nice try, but no amount of spin makes that a good shoot. I don't care if that baby was a fucking serpentor of evil being spawned by the Weaver's to take over the world and Vicki was the mastermind of it all. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile My Ruby Ridge trivia is a bit rusty, but didn't they always contend that they were shooting at Kevin Harris and accidentally hit her? Whoops I was wrong. He hit Harris but also hit Vicki weaver with the same Round |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 11:21:47 AM EDT
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Yup horuichi missed and shot weaver who was standing on the other side of an open door as Harris was trying to run inside the cabin Or so he says... Horuichi was a dirt bag to start with and only went down hill from there. Fuck you "Troy" and all your friends at HS Precision. May you both be on the receiving end of the shit storm that is the BATEFE some day. Why ARFCOM doesn't had you and your type a "banned for life" award, I'll never know. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 11:40:05 AM EDT
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All of the hate is stupid as hell. I like Troy, run their products and will continue to do so.
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Posted: 11/26/2016 11:51:32 AM EDT
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My Ruby Ridge trivia is a bit rusty, but didn't they always contend that they were shooting at Kevin Harris and accidentally hit her? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I find it funny that you all boycott Troy but can't wait for Norinco's and Russian guns. Strange world Neither China nor Russia killed Vicki Weaver. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Nice try, but no amount of spin makes that a good shoot. I don't care if that baby was a fucking serpentor of evil being spawned by the Weaver's to take over the world and Vicki was the mastermind of it all. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile My Ruby Ridge trivia is a bit rusty, but didn't they always contend that they were shooting at Kevin Harris and accidentally hit her? Weren't they operating under illegal rules of engagement? |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 12:12:25 PM EDT
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My Ruby Ridge trivia is a bit rusty, but didn't they always contend that they were shooting at Kevin Harris and accidentally hit her? Weren't they operating under illegal rules of engagement? Yep. Even under an illegal ROE, there's a world of difference between intentionally shooting someone and unintentionally shooting them. In no way is it okay that she was killed, but that's a point that can easily be made without changing the story. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 12:15:44 PM EDT
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Or so he says... Horuichi was a dirt bag to start with and only went down hill from there. Fuck you "Troy" and all your friends at HS Precision. May you both be on the receiving end of the shit storm that is the BATEFE some day. Why ARFCOM doesn't had you and your type a "banned for life" award, I'll never know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yup horuichi missed and shot weaver who was standing on the other side of an open door as Harris was trying to run inside the cabin Or so he says... Horuichi was a dirt bag to start with and only went down hill from there. Fuck you "Troy" and all your friends at HS Precision. May you both be on the receiving end of the shit storm that is the BATEFE some day. Why ARFCOM doesn't had you and your type a "banned for life" award, I'll never know. LOL. I feel the same about the type that de-rail legitimate firearms discussions. If you want to block an intersection start your own thread. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 12:59:10 PM EDT
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Fidel's dead Doesn't mean we have to stop hating him Bill Ruger approves this message. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 1:03:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2016 1:07:39 PM EDT
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I'd rather buy anything Hesse.
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Posted: 11/26/2016 1:11:38 PM EDT
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Nice looking rifles. Maybe next they could build a Ruby Ridge Comemrative FBI Sniper Rifle and have LH autograph a few of them. Maybe include some accessories like a few "Minute Of Lady Holding A Baby" sighting in targets to get that scope dialed in just right. Nice.......... |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 1:13:25 PM EDT
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Looks like nice gun, I had a Colt SP1 just like it.
If I was gonna get one it wouldn't be from Troy though. Maybe one day I will change my mind, but today isn't that day. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 1:25:38 PM EDT
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The missing phrase from Troy and HS is "We're sorry."
S&W disowned the Clinton agreement, all is forgiven. Ruger reversed all of Bill Sr's FUDD policies once they ousted his son from the board, all is forgiven. HS Precision responded to the WTF? with a defense of Lon. Troy has hired someone associated with Ruby Ridge and issued a "what a great guy!" statements about him. The first step in repentance is to admit your sin. THEN forgiveness can happen. It's not so much that Troy hired Dale Monroe as they act like he's some kind of hero; which he patently is not. Ruby Ridge was such a dumpster fire that nobody involved at the Federal level should be trusted past minimum wage again. Ideally they'd all be in jail, but the administration that sent them out covered them very effectively. I voted against everyone I could who provided that cover and I will continue to vote with my money against the people who succor the people involved with Ruby Ridge. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 1:28:09 PM EDT
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In before the tjw? Edit nope! 
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Posted: 11/26/2016 1:34:21 PM EDT
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Ok I'm lost...it seems one day a company's good, the next it's dissed. So what did Troy do to piss everyone off? Hired the celebrity JBTs of the 90s to make signiture guns and put on training IIRC |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 1:58:21 PM EDT
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Imagine having a Troy XM177, a HS Precision rifle and a Leatherman!
That would be some kind of weird Unholy Trinity  .....espexially if you lived in Commiefornia or some other hated place like Noo Yoik 
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Posted: 11/26/2016 2:13:31 PM EDT
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The missing phrase from Troy and HS is "We're sorry." S&W disowned the Clinton agreement, all is forgiven. Ruger reversed all of Bill Sr's FUDD policies once they ousted his son from the board, all is forgiven. HS Precision responded to the WTF? with a defense of Lon. Troy has hired someone associated with Ruby Ridge and issued a "what a great guy!" statements about him. The first step in repentance is to admit your sin. THEN forgiveness can happen. It's not so much that Troy hired Dale Monroe as they act like he's some kind of hero; which he patently is not. Ruby Ridge was such a dumpster fire that nobody involved at the Federal level should be trusted past minimum wage again. Ideally they'd all be in jail, but the administration that sent them out covered them very effectively. I voted against everyone I could who provided that cover and I will continue to vote with my money against the people who succor the people involved with Ruby Ridge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The missing phrase from Troy and HS is "We're sorry." S&W disowned the Clinton agreement, all is forgiven. Ruger reversed all of Bill Sr's FUDD policies once they ousted his son from the board, all is forgiven. HS Precision responded to the WTF? with a defense of Lon. Troy has hired someone associated with Ruby Ridge and issued a "what a great guy!" statements about him. The first step in repentance is to admit your sin. THEN forgiveness can happen. It's not so much that Troy hired Dale Monroe as they act like he's some kind of hero; which he patently is not. Ruby Ridge was such a dumpster fire that nobody involved at the Federal level should be trusted past minimum wage again. Ideally they'd all be in jail, but the administration that sent them out covered them very effectively. I voted against everyone I could who provided that cover and I will continue to vote with my money against the people who succor the people involved with Ruby Ridge. Quality post Quoted:
Imagine having a Troy XM177, a HS Precision rifle and a Leatherman! That would be some kind of weird Unholy Trinity .....espexially if you lived in Commiefornia or some other hated place like Noo Yoik Or worked for the ATF |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 2:22:13 PM EDT
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Didn't those have slip rings? That is period correct for a CAR-15. The Delta Ring was introduced during Viet Nam on the carbine. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 2:24:00 PM EDT
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Didn't those have slip rings? Reading the thread is hard |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 2:32:55 PM EDT
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Didn't those have slip rings? Reading the thread is hard I didn't realize there was so much hate for Troy here... Back on topic. I any case, I want an XM177 bad now...any guess as to what the final cost would be to build one from scratch? Assuming the correct report parts are available? |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 2:34:16 PM EDT
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Yup horuichi missed and shot weaver who was standing on the other side of an open door as Harris was trying to run inside the cabin Whoops I was wrong. He hit Harris but also hit Vicki weaver with the same Round Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would you be mad if they shot the wife of a jihadistWho was selling guns to be used against American soldiers instead of the wife of a white supremacist who thought he sold a gun to a terrorist? Nice try, but no amount of spin makes that a good shoot. I don't care if that baby was a fucking serpentor of evil being spawned by the Weaver's to take over the world and Vicki was the mastermind of it all. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile My Ruby Ridge trivia is a bit rusty, but didn't they always contend that they were shooting at Kevin Harris and accidentally hit her? Whoops I was wrong. He hit Harris but also hit Vicki weaver with the same Round They shouldn't have been shooting at Harris or anyone else there either. It was wrongful, and the government wound up admitting so in the form of cash. The attorney for Kevin Harris pressed Harris's civil suit for damages, although federal officials vowed they would never pay someone who had killed a U.S. Marshal. In September 2000, after persistent appeals, Harris was awarded a $380,000 settlement from the government.[74] Also it wasn't over the sale of a gun to a terrorist, it was about Weaver sawing the barrel off of an undercover agent's shotgun and his refusal to work as a rat for the government. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 2:41:36 PM EDT
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Speaking of butt hurt... Mr. WEAVER.Thank you. I am notwithout fault in this matter. I was convicted of failure to appear fortrial oncharges I had sold a sawed-off shotgun to an ATF informantnamed Gus Magisano. He testified at trial under a differentname—KennethFadeley. That was probably not his real name either. I was found notguilty ofthe original weapons charge, and I was found not guilty of every othercrime Iwas charged with, including murder and assault on Federal officers. Iwascharged with conspiring against the Government, and I was found notguilty ofthat charge. I was in jail for about a year before and during thetrial. I haveserved time after the trial and am now on unsupervised probation. Ifaced myaccusers at a trial. I faced the FBI, the Marshals Service, the U.S.attorney,a Federal judge and a jury of my peers. I faced the death penalty. Ihave beenaccountable for my actions. I now face you Senators to ask that thoseresponsible for the killings of my wife and my son be brought toaccount fortheir actions. If I had it todo over again, knowing what I know now, I would make different choices.I wouldcome down from the mountain for the court appearance. I would not havealloweda deceitful, lying con man working for ATF to push me for almost 3years tomake a sawed-off shotgun for him. I would not allow myself to betempted in aweak moment when my family needed money. I would not let my fears andthe fearsof my family keep me from coming down. But my wrongs did not causeFederalagents to commit crimes. Nothing I did caused Federal agents to violatetheConstitution of the UnitedStates. I did not cause Federal agentstoviolate the oath of their office. My actions did not cause Federalagents toviolate direct orders from Washington.My choices did not cause Federal agents to violate State and Federallaw. Mybehavior did not cause Federal agents to violate their own agencypolicies.Federal agents have admitted to illegal acts. Judge Freeh, the head ofthe FBI,has made statements to the press that the so-called rules of engagementwereunconstitutional. Federal agents have tried to cover up their illegalactions.That was their choice, not mine. I have been accountable for mychoices. Theyshould be held accountable for their wrongs. But no Federal agent hasbeenbrought to justice for the killings of Sam and Vicki Weaver. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Course Randy Weaver thought he was selling a shotgun to a guy who was going to kill American soldiers but that's okay. Speaking of butt hurt... Mr. WEAVER.Thank you. I am notwithout fault in this matter. I was convicted of failure to appear fortrial oncharges I had sold a sawed-off shotgun to an ATF informantnamed Gus Magisano. He testified at trial under a differentname—KennethFadeley. That was probably not his real name either. I was found notguilty ofthe original weapons charge, and I was found not guilty of every othercrime Iwas charged with, including murder and assault on Federal officers. Iwascharged with conspiring against the Government, and I was found notguilty ofthat charge. I was in jail for about a year before and during thetrial. I haveserved time after the trial and am now on unsupervised probation. Ifaced myaccusers at a trial. I faced the FBI, the Marshals Service, the U.S.attorney,a Federal judge and a jury of my peers. I faced the death penalty. Ihave beenaccountable for my actions. I now face you Senators to ask that thoseresponsible for the killings of my wife and my son be brought toaccount fortheir actions. If I had it todo over again, knowing what I know now, I would make different choices.I wouldcome down from the mountain for the court appearance. I would not havealloweda deceitful, lying con man working for ATF to push me for almost 3years tomake a sawed-off shotgun for him. I would not allow myself to betempted in aweak moment when my family needed money. I would not let my fears andthe fearsof my family keep me from coming down. But my wrongs did not causeFederalagents to commit crimes. Nothing I did caused Federal agents to violatetheConstitution of the UnitedStates. I did not cause Federal agentstoviolate the oath of their office. My actions did not cause Federalagents toviolate direct orders from Washington.My choices did not cause Federal agents to violate State and Federallaw. Mybehavior did not cause Federal agents to violate their own agencypolicies.Federal agents have admitted to illegal acts. Judge Freeh, the head ofthe FBI,has made statements to the press that the so-called rules of engagementwereunconstitutional. Federal agents have tried to cover up their illegalactions.That was their choice, not mine. I have been accountable for mychoices. Theyshould be held accountable for their wrongs. But no Federal agent hasbeenbrought to justice for the killings of Sam and Vicki Weaver. Am I the only one who caught this? Are you claiming to be Weaver? |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 2:45:01 PM EDT
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I didn't realize there was so much hate for Troy here... Back on topic. I any case, I want an XM177 bad now...any guess as to what the final cost would be to build one from scratch? Assuming the correct report parts are available? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Didn't those have slip rings? Reading the thread is hard I didn't realize there was so much hate for Troy here... Back on topic. I any case, I want an XM177 bad now...any guess as to what the final cost would be to build one from scratch? Assuming the correct report parts are available? I would just buy the Troy if I were you unless you feel like a 6+month process of finding one part at a time. 
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Posted: 11/26/2016 3:07:07 PM EDT
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I would just buy the Troy if I were you unless you feel like a 6+month process of finding one part at a time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Didn't those have slip rings? Reading the thread is hard I didn't realize there was so much hate for Troy here... Back on topic. I any case, I want an XM177 bad now...any guess as to what the final cost would be to build one from scratch? Assuming the correct report parts are available? I would just buy the Troy if I were you unless you feel like a 6+month process of finding one part at a time. What is the final $ tally after spending 6+ months gathering parts? So far no one in the know has been willing to elaborate, only saying it can be done for cheaper. Plus, why isn't there a one-stop shopping outlet where all the parts can be bought? Is it because certain parts are not being made thus requiring a private builder to advertise and/or wait for parts to show up in EE? |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 3:11:17 PM EDT
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What is the final $ tally after spending 6+ months gathering parts? So far no one in the know has been willing to elaborate, only saying it can be done for cheaper. Plus, why isn't there a one-stop shopping outlet where all the parts can be bought? Is it because certain parts are not being made thus requiring a private builder to advertise and/or wait for parts to show up in EE? Ask in the retro forum, lots of people there have built 629 clones, I never have. Cost and wait times depend on the level of authenticity you desire. I think retro stuff built on A2 lowers look like shit but that's just me. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 3:22:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2016 3:33:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2016 3:58:27 PM EDT
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The missing phrase from Troy and HS is "We're sorry." S&W disowned the Clinton agreement, all is forgiven. Ruger reversed all of Bill Sr's FUDD policies once they ousted his son from the board, all is forgiven. HS Precision responded to the WTF? with a defense of Lon. Troy has hired someone associated with Ruby Ridge and issued a "what a great guy!" statements about him. The first step in repentance is to admit your sin. THEN forgiveness can happen. It's not so much that Troy hired Dale Monroe as they act like he's some kind of hero; which he patently is not. Ruby Ridge was such a dumpster fire that nobody involved at the Federal level should be trusted past minimum wage again. Ideally they'd all be in jail, but the administration that sent them out covered them very effectively. I voted against everyone I could who provided that cover and I will continue to vote with my money against the people who succor the people involved with Ruby Ridge. Wouldn't, you know, ending the employment of said person be that first step? Just like Troy did. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 4:00:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The missing phrase from Troy and HS is "We're sorry." S&W disowned the Clinton agreement, all is forgiven. Ruger reversed all of Bill Sr's FUDD policies once they ousted his son from the board, all is forgiven. HS Precision responded to the WTF? with a defense of Lon. Troy has hired someone associated with Ruby Ridge and issued a "what a great guy!" statements about him. The first step in repentance is to admit your sin. THEN forgiveness can happen. It's not so much that Troy hired Dale Monroe as they act like he's some kind of hero; which he patently is not. Ruby Ridge was such a dumpster fire that nobody involved at the Federal level should be trusted past minimum wage again. Ideally they'd all be in jail, but the administration that sent them out covered them very effectively. I voted against everyone I could who provided that cover and I will continue to vote with my money against the people who succor the people involved with Ruby Ridge.  |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 4:11:03 PM EDT
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Course Randy Weaver thought he was selling a shotgun to a guy who was going to kill American soldiers but that's okay. Speaking of butt hurt... Mr. WEAVER.Thank you. I am notwithout fault in this matter. I was convicted of failure to appear fortrial oncharges I had sold a sawed-off shotgun to an ATF informantnamed Gus Magisano. He testified at trial under a differentname—KennethFadeley. That was probably not his real name either. I was found notguilty ofthe original weapons charge, and I was found not guilty of every othercrime Iwas charged with, including murder and assault on Federal officers. Iwascharged with conspiring against the Government, and I was found notguilty ofthat charge. I was in jail for about a year before and during thetrial. I haveserved time after the trial and am now on unsupervised probation. Ifaced myaccusers at a trial. I faced the FBI, the Marshals Service, the U.S.attorney,a Federal judge and a jury of my peers. I faced the death penalty. Ihave beenaccountable for my actions. I now face you Senators to ask that thoseresponsible for the killings of my wife and my son be brought toaccount fortheir actions. If I had it todo over again, knowing what I know now, I would make different choices.I wouldcome down from the mountain for the court appearance. I would not havealloweda deceitful, lying con man working for ATF to push me for almost 3years tomake a sawed-off shotgun for him. I would not allow myself to betempted in aweak moment when my family needed money. I would not let my fears andthe fearsof my family keep me from coming down. But my wrongs did not causeFederalagents to commit crimes. Nothing I did caused Federal agents to violatetheConstitution of the UnitedStates. I did not cause Federal agentstoviolate the oath of their office. My actions did not cause Federalagents toviolate direct orders from Washington.My choices did not cause Federal agents to violate State and Federallaw. Mybehavior did not cause Federal agents to violate their own agencypolicies.Federal agents have admitted to illegal acts. Judge Freeh, the head ofthe FBI,has made statements to the press that the so-called rules of engagementwereunconstitutional. Federal agents have tried to cover up their illegalactions.That was their choice, not mine. I have been accountable for mychoices. Theyshould be held accountable for their wrongs. But no Federal agent hasbeenbrought to justice for the killings of Sam and Vicki Weaver. Am I the only one who caught this? Are you claiming to be Weaver? Are you daft? He's clearly quoting Weaver. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 4:15:18 PM EDT
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The missing phrase from Troy and HS is "We're sorry." S&W disowned the Clinton agreement, all is forgiven. Ruger reversed all of Bill Sr's FUDD policies once they ousted his son from the board, all is forgiven. HS Precision responded to the WTF? with a defense of Lon. Troy has hired someone associated with Ruby Ridge and issued a "what a great guy!" statements about him. The first step in repentance is to admit your sin. THEN forgiveness can happen. It's not so much that Troy hired Dale Monroe as they act like he's some kind of hero; which he patently is not. Ruby Ridge was such a dumpster fire that nobody involved at the Federal level should be trusted past minimum wage again. Ideally they'd all be in jail, but the administration that sent them out covered them very effectively. I voted against everyone I could who provided that cover and I will continue to vote with my money against the people who succor the people involved with Ruby Ridge. http://i68.tinypic.com/33ju1wj.jpg Didn't Troy let Monroe go? If so, the same standard you hold for everyone else should apply. That standard is they reverse the direction that caused the outrage, no apology needed. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 4:21:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't Troy let Monroe go? Cite?? |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 4:21:26 PM EDT
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Didn't Troy let Monroe go? If so, the same standard you hold for everyone else should apply. That standard is they reverse the direction that caused the outrage, no apology needed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The missing phrase from Troy and HS is "We're sorry." S&W disowned the Clinton agreement, all is forgiven. Ruger reversed all of Bill Sr's FUDD policies once they ousted his son from the board, all is forgiven. HS Precision responded to the WTF? with a defense of Lon. Troy has hired someone associated with Ruby Ridge and issued a "what a great guy!" statements about him. The first step in repentance is to admit your sin. THEN forgiveness can happen. It's not so much that Troy hired Dale Monroe as they act like he's some kind of hero; which he patently is not. Ruby Ridge was such a dumpster fire that nobody involved at the Federal level should be trusted past minimum wage again. Ideally they'd all be in jail, but the administration that sent them out covered them very effectively. I voted against everyone I could who provided that cover and I will continue to vote with my money against the people who succor the people involved with Ruby Ridge. http://i68.tinypic.com/33ju1wj.jpg Didn't Troy let Monroe go? If so, the same standard you hold for everyone else should apply. That standard is they reverse the direction that caused the outrage, no apology needed. They did let him go, which is why the tortured logic above is at best silly. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 4:27:12 PM EDT
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Course Randy Weaver thought he was selling a shotgun to a guy who was going to kill American soldiers but that's okay. Speaking of butt hurt... Mr. WEAVER.Thank you. I am notwithout fault in this matter. I was convicted of failure to appear fortrial oncharges I had sold a sawed-off shotgun to an ATF informantnamed Gus Magisano. He testified at trial under a differentname—KennethFadeley. That was probably not his real name either. I was found notguilty ofthe original weapons charge, and I was found not guilty of every othercrime Iwas charged with, including murder and assault on Federal officers. Iwascharged with conspiring against the Government, and I was found notguilty ofthat charge. I was in jail for about a year before and during thetrial. I haveserved time after the trial and am now on unsupervised probation. Ifaced myaccusers at a trial. I faced the FBI, the Marshals Service, the U.S.attorney,a Federal judge and a jury of my peers. I faced the death penalty. Ihave beenaccountable for my actions. I now face you Senators to ask that thoseresponsible for the killings of my wife and my son be brought toaccount fortheir actions. If I had it todo over again, knowing what I know now, I would make different choices.I wouldcome down from the mountain for the court appearance. I would not havealloweda deceitful, lying con man working for ATF to push me for almost 3years tomake a sawed-off shotgun for him. I would not allow myself to betempted in aweak moment when my family needed money. I would not let my fears andthe fearsof my family keep me from coming down. But my wrongs did not causeFederalagents to commit crimes. Nothing I did caused Federal agents to violatetheConstitution of the UnitedStates. I did not cause Federal agentstoviolate the oath of their office. My actions did not cause Federalagents toviolate direct orders from Washington.My choices did not cause Federal agents to violate State and Federallaw. Mybehavior did not cause Federal agents to violate their own agencypolicies.Federal agents have admitted to illegal acts. Judge Freeh, the head ofthe FBI,has made statements to the press that the so-called rules of engagementwereunconstitutional. Federal agents have tried to cover up their illegalactions.That was their choice, not mine. I have been accountable for mychoices. Theyshould be held accountable for their wrongs. But no Federal agent hasbeenbrought to justice for the killings of Sam and Vicki Weaver. Am I the only one who caught this? Are you claiming to be Weaver? Are you daft? He's clearly quoting Weaver. At least I know what a college girl answering her dorm door in her underwear means.
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Posted: 11/26/2016 4:52:16 PM EDT
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I find it funny that you all boycott Troy but can't wait for Norinco's and Russian guns. Strange world Neither China nor Russia killed Vicki Weaver. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile A lawyer who doesn't get due process. Lulz. I guess you missed that part of law school, but took "I'll say anything with a straight face for a buck" twice. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 5:15:36 PM EDT
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Allegations of termination, no citation.
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Posted: 11/26/2016 5:40:37 PM EDT
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I find it funny that you all boycott Troy but can't wait for Norinco's and Russian guns. Strange world Neither China nor Russia killed Vicki Weaver. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile A lawyer who doesn't get due process. Lulz. I guess you missed that part of law school, but took "I'll say anything with a straight face for a buck" twice. Randall Weaver was not a white supremacist. He stopped attending the meetings because of extremist views. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 5:45:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Randall Weaver was not a white supremacist. He stopped attending the meetings because of extremist views. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I find it funny that you all boycott Troy but can't wait for Norinco's and Russian guns. Strange world Neither China nor Russia killed Vicki Weaver. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile A lawyer who doesn't get due process. Lulz. I guess you missed that part of law school, but took "I'll say anything with a straight face for a buck" twice. Randall Weaver was not a white supremacist. He stopped attending the meetings because of extremist views. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 5:46:58 PM EDT
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The missing phrase from Troy and HS is "We're sorry." S&W disowned the Clinton agreement, all is forgiven. Ruger reversed all of Bill Sr's FUDD policies once they ousted his son from the board, all is forgiven. HS Precision responded to the WTF? with a defense of Lon. Troy has hired someone associated with Ruby Ridge and issued a "what a great guy!" statements about him. The first step in repentance is to admit your sin. THEN forgiveness can happen. It's not so much that Troy hired Dale Monroe as they act like he's some kind of hero; which he patently is not. Ruby Ridge was such a dumpster fire that nobody involved at the Federal level should be trusted past minimum wage again. Ideally they'd all be in jail, but the administration that sent them out covered them very effectively. I voted against everyone I could who provided that cover and I will continue to vote with my money against the people who succor the people involved with Ruby Ridge. http://i68.tinypic.com/33ju1wj.jpg What is this pic? |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 5:57:58 PM EDT
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Back on topic. I any case, I want an XM177 bad now...any guess as to what the final cost would be to build one from scratch? Assuming the correct report parts are available? XM177 and XM177E1 are harder to do without hitting the ATF for a tax stamp. XM177E2 and GAU-5A/A still look right with a pin and weld moderator at 16". You end up getting very precise in your language in the land-of-retro! 
My DIY XM177E2 clone ran $1,253.93 total, including the tax-stamp. Some things are harder to find now than they were in 2009, like the stock. NoDak didn't have a long lead time when I started it either. Also you have to decide how faithful your build is going to be. Will you demand vintage 6-hole handguards or will modern 7-hole be OK? Do you have to have gray for your upper and lower or will black suffice? Do you care if the lower is an A2 or not? Do you care if your upper is really a C7 and not an A1? Start with an 80% lower and you can have 100% period markings engraved. Insisting on vintage and 100% accuracy, obviously, cranks up the prices. One way to do it is to make it at like 75% accuracy then keep a sharp eye out for the rest of the parts. That's how we did my wife's R653P clone. Waited for deals on the hard to find parts, like that aluminum stock, and used a plastic fiberlite until we found the right one. Good luck and good hunting! Rolling your own is more fun than buying pre-made. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 6:40:55 PM EDT
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These retro models are the extreme of cloning...We're starting to see even 90's/early 2000's era stuff become scarce and pricey ("tic" selectors, KAC MRE or Mk12 rails, A2 uppers, etc.). I get the impression that with the retro stuff it's even more of a case of a group of diehards buying from and selling their stuff to each other. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but also not really my definition of fun. I'd buy a complete gun if someone besides Troy made it.
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Posted: 11/26/2016 8:52:31 PM EDT
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At least I know what a college girl answering her dorm door in her underwear means.
Whatever, man. She's getting back on campus tomorrow and my cock-blocking friend doesn't get back until 6 hours after. 
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Posted: 11/26/2016 10:00:04 PM EDT
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Sweet looking gun. I'm just about done with my build. It will be in 6.8 spc. 6.8 spc or .300bk would make for a awesome xm177 style clone.
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Posted: 11/26/2016 10:29:14 PM EDT
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They did let him go, .... When? With all the controversy around it, one would think it would have been a pretty big deal. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 11:08:03 PM EDT
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Whatever, man. She's getting back on campus tomorrow and my cock-blocking friend doesn't get back until 6 hours after. I bet I get my dick wet before you. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 11:12:15 PM EDT
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Sweet looking gun. I'm just about done with my build. It will be in 6.8 spc. 6.8 spc or .300bk would make for a awesome xm177 style clone. 6.5 Grendel? 
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Posted: 11/26/2016 11:21:08 PM EDT
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These retro models are the extreme of cloning...We're starting to see even 90's/early 2000's era stuff become scarce and pricey ("tic" selectors, KAC MRE or Mk12 rails, A2 uppers, etc.). I get the impression that with the retro stuff it's even more of a case of a group of diehards buying from and selling their stuff to each other. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but also not really my definition of fun. I'd buy a complete gun if someone besides Troy made it. 2 years of looking at the EE and gunbroker to spend $3000 on what most people would erroneously call an A1 clone doesn't sound fun? What kind of life do you lead? 
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Posted: 11/26/2016 11:27:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They did let him go, which is why the tortured logic above is at best silly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The missing phrase from Troy and HS is "We're sorry." S&W disowned the Clinton agreement, all is forgiven. Ruger reversed all of Bill Sr's FUDD policies once they ousted his son from the board, all is forgiven. HS Precision responded to the WTF? with a defense of Lon. Troy has hired someone associated with Ruby Ridge and issued a "what a great guy!" statements about him. The first step in repentance is to admit your sin. THEN forgiveness can happen. It's not so much that Troy hired Dale Monroe as they act like he's some kind of hero; which he patently is not. Ruby Ridge was such a dumpster fire that nobody involved at the Federal level should be trusted past minimum wage again. Ideally they'd all be in jail, but the administration that sent them out covered them very effectively. I voted against everyone I could who provided that cover and I will continue to vote with my money against the people who succor the people involved with Ruby Ridge. http://i68.tinypic.com/33ju1wj.jpg Didn't Troy let Monroe go? If so, the same standard you hold for everyone else should apply. That standard is they reverse the direction that caused the outrage, no apology needed. They did let him go, which is why the tortured logic above is at best silly. I haven't read the whole thread, but back when this was hitting the net, I thought they decided not to take on Jody Weis the Chicago Police Commish due to the uproar but still kept on Dale Monroe and defended him. Did they eventually fire Monroe? |
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