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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:10:09 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m hoping TFB will do a turkish 1911 burndown. The tisas 1911s feel good. I want the shotguns to be good but the sample i have seen isn’t there yet. Good idea. @Obey 
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:15:37 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Centerfire rifles and HK clones seem fine. The pistols are hit and miss. Shotguns are pure garbage. The ammo seems fine - sometimes stinky. Turkish Lira is down 90% in the last 10 years. 70% in the last two. In before some guy with a Tisas that has 35 rounds through it tells you it’s better than his Stacatto. In before some guy with an M4 clone that’s spent $1000 extra loading it with Benelli parts tells you it’s just as good as an M4. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:17:16 PM EDT
[#3]
I'm waiting for an AK variant similar to the sporting Siagas.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:20:17 PM EDT
[#4]
I want more HK clones.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:24:21 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where did you learn your geography? Being an Ohioan, and having been all over Turkey, they aren’t remotely comparable in size! And Istanbul, alone, far outpaces Ohio’s population. I had been told that by a rep from a Turkish gun company, however after seeing your post I looked it up. Turkey is 302535 square miles, Ohio is 44,000 square miles. Thank you, I will edit my post. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:25:08 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember the Fake Coup in Turkey, where they rounded up the opposition party? I remember watching that on live TV. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:31:21 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I prefer to buy American whenever possible. I willingly pay more to support American industry. Having said that - America has never produced an SKS. How about a Turkish SKS, that takes AK mags and comes with a factory folding stock. Make it about $150, or so, and you have the perfect truck gun.  150 for an sks? Shit, count me in.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:50:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you a bot?!? This post makes no fucking sense Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Remember the Fake Coup in Turkey, where they rounded up the opposition party? I remember watching that on live TV. Are you a bot?!? This post makes no fucking sense Your post makes no sense, it was pretty obvious the Turks faked a coup to round up the political opposition. Where are these parts compatible 870 clones? Everytime something looks close, I get told it's not actually parts compatible. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:54:45 PM EDT
[#9]
They are the New Norinco.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 5:16:40 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When are we going to see the G3's? I thought MKE was going to start doing them? True, but when it comes to the 91 and 93, I don't think HK has the tooling anymore. The SP5 is probably here because the MP5 tooling was still there and sales were probably shit, so someone got a bright idea. HK Germany is the problem, HK USA is gtg. I wouldn't be surprised if SIG tried to buy HK at some point, HK-Germany isn't doing well financially. I'm not saying it will happen, I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised. They had some reason they couldn't sell the MP7, I don't know if it holds water though. Quote HistoryQuoted: When are we going to see the G3's? I thought MKE was going to start doing them? HK “No soup for you!” True, but when it comes to the 91 and 93, I don't think HK has the tooling anymore. The SP5 is probably here because the MP5 tooling was still there and sales were probably shit, so someone got a bright idea. HK Germany is the problem, HK USA is gtg. I wouldn't be surprised if SIG tried to buy HK at some point, HK-Germany isn't doing well financially. I'm not saying it will happen, I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised. They had some reason they couldn't sell the MP7, I don't know if it holds water though. With PTR-91s being $1000 or so why bother? I'd rather buy American, and you don't need to worry about 922r or anything. For 5.56 I can see the appeal. An HK-33 clone would be nice. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 5:26:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had been told that by a rep from a Turkish gun company, however after seeing your post I looked it up. Turkey is 302535 square miles, Ohio is 44,000 square miles. Thank you, I will edit my post. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Where did you learn your geography? Being an Ohioan, and having been all over Turkey, they aren’t remotely comparable in size! And Istanbul, alone, far outpaces Ohio’s population. I had been told that by a rep from a Turkish gun company, however after seeing your post I looked it up. Turkey is 302535 square miles, Ohio is 44,000 square miles. Thank you, I will edit my post. Maybe he meant the inhabitable parts of Turkey.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 5:26:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No way to mount a can on that. Boo OOS now, but it says it has a 1/2 28 thread... https://palmettostatearmory.com/century-ap5-9mm-pistol-9-30rd-black-hg6034a-n.html |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 5:55:22 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One of those is brand new. The other is at least 77 years old, has been beat on by generations of GIs, most likely has parts swapped from other guns, and might have a history of use in major wars. I would hope the former would shoot better than the latter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cheap copies, yuck. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26154/B7722536-4B94-4F35-BC3C-4241D9383C41_jpe-2644732.JPG One of those is brand new. The other is at least 77 years old, has been beat on by generations of GIs, most likely has parts swapped from other guns, and might have a history of use in major wars. I would hope the former would shoot better than the latter. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 6:03:19 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d like to try this Turqua from ATA. Adjustable comb is very appealing for fit along with spacers for LOP. $769 locally. I think I’ll wait until the prices come down and mags are available. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170936/182C9AD6-37AA-4A2B-81DB-42041A17640D_jpe-2644462.JPG That looks interesting. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 6:05:35 PM EDT
[#15]
I've got several Caniks, TP9 series and earlier hammer fired cz copies, all have performed flawless a couple are into 5 figure round count. Got 2 Tisa's 1911's, duty size with rail, and smaller carry model only issues with them have been mag related that wasnt so surprising cause my colts and kimber disliked those mag's as well. Got my first Girsan HP clone recently so far so good only have a couple hundred rounds through so far, but I'm already looking to order another hoping they release an optic cut model.
Shotguns I'd be more cautious buying, the ones made for other companies like CZ and shit seem to be g2g, I have a Tristar I got used for a steal it sometimes stumbles with light loads but will run 00 and slugs perfectly. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 6:07:53 PM EDT
[#16]
Damn, I would not mind an HK 93 clone if MKE made it.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 6:08:25 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just picked up my new Girsan MC P35 OPS yesterday. It's the tits! https://eaacorp.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/MCP35-Ops-Left.png I collect Hi-Powers and have them in many flavors. This pistol has better fit and finish than any of the other clones I own, and includes features that rival some of my expensive custom pistols. For less than $650 shipped, it's a steal. Damn dude.  Attached FileI should Not be reading this thread. Anyway, Where are the best deals to be found on these fine Girsan clones? 
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Posted: 12/22/2022 6:08:28 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure Turkey is larger than Texas I didn't think anything in the known universe was as large as Texas?  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 7:14:05 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are a ton of "American" shotguns that are actually made in Turkey. Winchester pumps and Weatherby semi autos for example. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All I know is that their shotguns have flooded the market and all of them are garbage. Otherwise, Id be ok with a Mp5 cloneski. There are a ton of "American" shotguns that are actually made in Turkey. Winchester pumps and Weatherby semi autos for example. Yep, bought my son an O/U from Mossberg. Didn't know it at the time but it is imported from Turkey. Been great so far. |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 12:18:42 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: MP7's for 800.00? I’d buy that |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 12:21:13 AM EDT
[#21]
I have a 'garbage' Weatherby SA-08 shotgun made in Turkey. So far I've found zero problems with it.
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Posted: 12/23/2022 12:25:09 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn, I would not mind an HK 93 clone if MKE made it. Atlantic Forearms cannot say whether or not MKE HK93 clones are being imported soon… but they did say that they will not have any updates on this particular subject until shot show, while also explicitly noting that most vendors hold releases until shop show for maximum exposure. I’m sure you can read between the lines |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 12:29:46 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Turkey listens to Gun buyer. Turkey … “You want another HK clone? We got ya.” HK “No soup for you!” It's the left wing German government more than HK GmbH. They have full control over every gun HK sells and can decide who they sell and export to, how, when and in what quantities. HK laughed at Sig and FN when they spent a fortune to stand up major operations to the USA. HK were fat on big contracts and chose to stay put. Now they suck hind tit to those companies. |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 12:35:46 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Centerfire rifles and HK clones seem fine. The pistols are hit and miss. Shotguns are pure garbage. The ammo seems fine - sometimes stinky. Turkish Lira is down 90% in the last 10 years. 70% in the last two. SDS and Tisas are junk? Canik? And the shotguns are fine. |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 12:38:59 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Atlantic Forearms cannot say whether or not MKE HK93 clones are being imported soon… but they did say that they will not have any updates on this particular subject until shot show, while also explicitly noting that most vendors hold releases until shop show for maximum exposure. I’m sure you can read between the lines Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Damn, I would not mind an HK 93 clone if MKE made it. Atlantic Forearms cannot say whether or not MKE HK93 clones are being imported soon… but they did say that they will not have any updates on this particular subject until shot show, while also explicitly noting that most vendors hold releases until shop show for maximum exposure. I’m sure you can read between the lines Please Lord, let them do a 1:7 twist barrel and not the original.... |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 12:43:02 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now if they'd just start importing the HK33K clone and maybe a G3K clone since PTR isn't making them any more. |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 12:49:02 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I really want an MP5/10 .... clone or otherwise. 10mm PCC is my next get one way or another. This. I’ve considered dropping stupid money for a parts kit or a .40 parts kit to convert. |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 12:55:42 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sign me the fuck up please Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Now if they'd just start importing the HK33K clone and maybe a G3K clone since PTR isn't making them any more. Same. I'd prefer a 53, but I will definitely buy a 33k. |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 12:56:47 AM EDT
[#29]
Don't forget the Benelli m4 clone.
https://www.classicfirearms.com/news/long-guns/panzers-benelli-m4-clone-will-become-your-new-favorite-semi-auto-shotgun/ |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 1:11:08 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: SDS and Tisas are junk? Canik? And the shotguns are fine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Centerfire rifles and HK clones seem fine. The pistols are hit and miss. Shotguns are pure garbage. The ammo seems fine - sometimes stinky. Turkish Lira is down 90% in the last 10 years. 70% in the last two. SDS and Tisas are junk? Canik? And the shotguns are fine. Just pulled a Tisas imported 1911 out of the box tonight, it looks really good. Waiting to find out if it's Ceracote or Parkerized. |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 1:20:30 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just picked up my new Girsan MC P35 OPS yesterday. It's the tits! https://eaacorp.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/MCP35-Ops-Left.png I collect Hi-Powers and have them in many flavors. This pistol has better fit and finish than any of the other clones I own, and includes features that rival some of my expensive custom pistols. For less than $650 shipped, it's a steal. I need to get one of these before they dry up |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 1:43:33 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 2 CZ o/u shotguns here. Great shooters with no issues for all the years they've been shot at doves, ducks, and geese. |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 1:47:50 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just picked up my new Girsan MC P35 OPS yesterday. It's the tits! https://eaacorp.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/MCP35-Ops-Left.png I collect Hi-Powers and have them in many flavors. This pistol has better fit and finish than any of the other clones I own, and includes features that rival some of my expensive custom pistols. For less than $650 shipped, it's a steal. I saw those available on CDNN the other day... how's the trigger? |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 1:52:54 AM EDT
[#34]
4 pages in, and not a single SVD request??
First's! If TISAS made SVD's at the same degree of quality and attention to matching the spec, and aggressive price philosophy as they are doing 1911's they will insta sell shipping containers of them. Everybody wants an SVD. I'll say this, if you aren't buying Turkish guns right now, you aren't paying attention. |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 1:58:51 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Centerfire rifles and HK clones seem fine. The pistols are hit and miss. Shotguns are pure garbage. The ammo seems fine - sometimes stinky. Turkish Lira is down 90% in the last 10 years. 70% in the last two. Pretty much nailed it. Outside of the HK clone market, I don't think very many manufacturers are all that worried. |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 2:02:55 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I disagree with that. I picked up a 870 clone to try and it ended up being better than anything Remington put out since 2005 or so. I liked it so much that I bought five - they were only $79 each. Complete parts compatibility except for the ejector bar. Everything else is identical. Stoeger is owned by Beretta and their shotguns are made in Turkey and come with a 5 year warranty. |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 2:05:19 AM EDT
[#37]
The turks need to start cranking out $500 Spas-12 clones
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Posted: 12/23/2022 2:05:49 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would happily buy American made 870s instead. I do buy older used Wingmasters and other decent examples of well made 870s of any type. Modern Remington shotguns - from the past couple of decades - are frankly awful. Poor fit and finish. Functionality issues. Rusting problems while still brand new. I'm ashamed that they're so poorly made that many budget imports from Turkey are better in every way - but that's the reality of the situation. $79 but they were on sale since he got a deal. I bought them locally but I've seen them all over the place online usually for $100 plus or minus $20. My first pump gun was a 1978 Wingmaster new in the box and it’s always been a complete turd. The shell latches have been restaked three times and it threw a latch again and jammed the last time I took it hunting. It looks beautiful but is junk. It’s a Dupont era gun. |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 2:15:19 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Aren’t you in the industry in some way? Arfcom is mostly upper middle class hobbyists. Arfcom doesn’t represent the majority of gun buyers in the US, for whom cost is a major factor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cheaply made copies aren’t “disruptive”, they just broaden options for people in that price range, and may pull in some people who were right above that price range. Disruptive is so overused. Aren’t you in the industry in some way? Arfcom is mostly upper middle class hobbyists. Arfcom doesn’t represent the majority of gun buyers in the US, for whom cost is a major factor. You are correct. I do alot of transfers of taurus, turkish and PSA stuff. |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 2:20:03 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My Hatsan semi auto Escort has been flawless. Mine was a jam-o-matic, unfortunately. |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 2:51:39 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuote History Attached FileQuoted: Quoted: Now if they'd just start importing the HK33K clone and maybe a G3K clone since PTR isn't making them any more. |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 3:22:18 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just picked up my new Girsan MC P35 OPS yesterday. It's the tits! https://eaacorp.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/MCP35-Ops-Left.png I collect Hi-Powers and have them in many flavors. This pistol has better fit and finish than any of the other clones I own, and includes features that rival some of my expensive custom pistols. For less than $650 shipped, it's a steal. Where'd you get it from? |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 3:34:29 AM EDT
[#43]
Good.
Most higher tier stuff, even Ruger is becoming stupid priced. PSA can sell something for 500 dollars, Ruger wants twice the cost. A GP100 has increased in price what, almost 3x in the past 20 years. What is the value of that steel vs the value of everything in an AR? Probably the same. Yeah it may require a bit more experience and skill to slap together annice revolver, but its not a 600 dollar increase. I’m glad we’re seeing this, some of these prices are just ridiculous. |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 3:40:25 AM EDT
[#44]
I want a Turkish P210 clone.
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Posted: 12/23/2022 6:21:38 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good idea. @Obey lol, he hates 1911s as it is I can’t imagine this video! But it sounds hilarious and I like the idea
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Posted: 12/23/2022 7:41:14 AM EDT
[#46]
Coming soon to a shop near you.
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Posted: 12/23/2022 7:43:30 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In before some guy with a Tisas that has 35 rounds through it tells you it’s better than his Stacatto. In before some guy with an M4 clone that’s spent $1000 extra loading it with Benelli parts tells you it’s just as good as an M4. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Centerfire rifles and HK clones seem fine. The pistols are hit and miss. Shotguns are pure garbage. The ammo seems fine - sometimes stinky. Turkish Lira is down 90% in the last 10 years. 70% in the last two. In before some guy with a Tisas that has 35 rounds through it tells you it’s better than his Stacatto. In before some guy with an M4 clone that’s spent $1000 extra loading it with Benelli parts tells you it’s just as good as an M4. Why do you do the “in before”. Gets old. Just stop |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 7:51:51 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just pulled a Tisas imported 1911 out of the box tonight, it looks really good. Waiting to find out if it's Ceracote or Parkerized. From the $296 alet thread, tisas rep came on and said they were all cerakote, but we all said no way, can't tell the difference. |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 7:54:53 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. I've had both Hugle (CZ) and KOFS (ATI) 20ga O/Us. Both flawless, well machined shotguns. Except for they’re really not well machined. Poor barrel indexing, rough internals, and poorly trued receivers are the norm. Compare them to entry level guns like a Browning or Beretta and they’re polished turds. Compare them to a step above like Rizinni, Fabarm, or CG and they look like something a child made in a developing nation. Cosmetically, they look sort of nice, functionally their machining process is far behind and it shows in the product they produce. Yildiz on the other hand…they have outstanding machining. CZ may catch up one day but they have poured more money into aesthetically pleasing guns than producing a solid gun that will stand the test of time and high volume shooting. CZ builds a gun based off a solid action but the Turkish sourcing for steel is still plagued by alloy problems and soft actions are still common. Exacerbating the problem is their work force and poor QC, lots of poorly trued receiver fits leave the factory. Their barrel indexing process has to be ran by a blind man. CZ, makes an aesthetically pleasing gun for people on a budget, people think they’re getting a SP1, 525, 725, etc… for half the the price. You can likely get many years of light hunting out of them…if not a lifetime. But make no mistake, these are not the 50k-100k round guns that quality entry level O/U’s are…not yet anyway. |
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Posted: 12/23/2022 8:00:31 AM EDT
[#50]
My CZ (Huglu) o/u beat a whole group of Krieghoffs, Citoris, Blasers, and Berettas a couple weeks ago. GD told me it was a Turkish piece of junk that wouldn’t last 500 shells, yet here I am putting flat after flat of 20 ga through it with absolutely zero issues. It punches way above its weight.
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