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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:01:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cute that you think they're even remotely the same. Cute that you support Governor Black face in removing "Statues of traitors". Good or bad removing/erasing history is wrong. |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:01:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are we British? Does the Confederacy exist? One last thought, if you hate us so much, let us go. |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:12:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who is that guy anyway? never even noticed him. The biggest doomer and general troll on the site these last few months. I would trade him for SPK in a heart beat and I fucking hate SPK. |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:24:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cute that you think they're even remotely the same. Umm..they are exactly the same. George Washington led an insurrection against the lawful government and was also a slaveholder as were almost all the other founding fathers and by today's standards almost certainly as racist as Lee. The only difference is that the winners get to write the history. If you are too ignorant to acknowledge the similarities I can't help you. |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:26:18 PM EDT
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I have nothing COC compliant to say…
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:28:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Umm..they are exactly the same. George Washington led an insurrection against the lawful government and was also a slaveholder as were almost all the other founding fathers and by today's standards almost certainly as racist as Lee. The only difference is that the winners get to write the history. If you are too ignorant to acknowledge the similarities I can't help you. QFT |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:29:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can go back to where you came from. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not sure why we have monuments to traitors anyway. Put them in a museum. You can go back to where you came from. The United States? |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:29:34 PM EDT
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This is just more bullshit to stir the pot and a win win for dems.
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:30:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cute that you support Governor Black face in removing "Statues of traitors". Good or bad removing/erasing history is wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cute that you think they're even remotely the same. Cute that you support Governor Black face in removing "Statues of traitors". Good or bad removing/erasing history is wrong. Removing monuments to traitors is good. Putting them in museums is not erasing history. |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:30:41 PM EDT
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Can we take down that devil goat statue and the Stalin one?
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:31:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have nothing COC compliant to say… |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:31:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can we take down that devil goat statue and the Lenin one? Got to wait for the next change in management for that 
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:32:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously, you do know there are millions of people that don't see it your way? Do we not get a voice? What do you think will happen if this keeps going? Do you really think you will be spared? The Confederacy lasted for 4 years, the Union allowed slavery for 87 years under the US Flag. A large number of signers were also slave owners and Southerners. Do you think the constitution will be upheld going forward? One last thought, if you hate us so much, let us go. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are we British? Does the Confederacy exist? One last thought, if you hate us so much, let us go. What does the North owning slaves have to do with the southern states trying to break away from the country because Lincoln was elected President? |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:32:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Umm..they are exactly the same. George Washington led an insurrection against the lawful government and was also a slaveholder as were almost all the other founding fathers and by today's standards almost certainly as racist as Lee. The only difference is that the winners get to write the history. If you are too ignorant to acknowledge the similarities I can't help you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cute that you think they're even remotely the same. Umm..they are exactly the same. George Washington led an insurrection against the lawful government and was also a slaveholder as were almost all the other founding fathers and by today's standards almost certainly as racist as Lee. The only difference is that the winners get to write the history. If you are too ignorant to acknowledge the similarities I can't help you. George Washington won and created a whole new country. The Confederacy lost. I don't care about who owned slaves. |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:33:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Removing monuments to traitors is good. Putting them in museums is not erasing history. Secession is legal. So not sure where your traitor bullshit is coming from... |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:34:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure why we have monuments to traitors anyway. Put them in a museum. You must be a transplant.....And a dick as well. 
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:35:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Secession is legal. So not sure where your traitor bullshit is coming from... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Removing monuments to traitors is good. Putting them in museums is not erasing history. Secession is legal. So not sure where your traitor bullshit is coming from... Please cite the Article and Section in the Constitution. I would like to read up on that |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:35:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed.... It will be the ugliest.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A day of reckoning is coming fast and it's going to be one of the most ugliest in human history. Agreed.... It will be the ugliest.... Quite possibly, yes. |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:39:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: George Washington won and created a whole new country. The Confederacy lost. I don't care about who owned slaves. Very cogent argument there slick. All that matters is who wins then I guess? |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:40:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very cogent argument there slick. All that matters is who wins then I guess? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: George Washington won and created a whole new country. The Confederacy lost. I don't care about who owned slaves. Very cogent argument there slick. All that matters is who wins then I guess? When you attempt treason, yeah winning is pretty much everything there "slick" |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:41:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very cogent argument there slick. All that matters is who wins then I guess? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: George Washington won and created a whole new country. The Confederacy lost. I don't care about who owned slaves. Very cogent argument there slick. All that matters is who wins then I guess? Well, that and the causes they were fighting for. Neither of which really supports the worship of Confederate leaders that persists to this day. |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:45:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When you attempt treason, yeah winning is pretty much everything there "slick" So then basically you have no moral compass whatsoever. Your entire world view is based on the whomever is strongest is therefore just. So had the confederacy won then the Union would have been the traitors and that whole slavery thing was just a minor disagreement. |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:46:00 PM EDT
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So, now that the state of Virginia through its elected Governor and the City of Richmond are renouncing the Confederacy, will the Mason-Dixon Line be relocated to the VA/NC border?
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:46:37 PM EDT
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Send them, the statues, to Appomattox. We, ughh they, have a virtually unused industrial park, a 'Confederate' museum, and of course the national historical park.
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:50:58 PM EDT
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I'd take the statue and put him in my side yard. Wonder if they would allow a citizen to purchase the statue surely someone here has a large plot and some $ thats burning a hole in their pocket.
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:51:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, now that the state of Virginia through its elected Governor and the City of Richmond are renouncing the Confederacy, will the Mason-Dixon Line be relocated to the VA/NC border? 
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:52:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: good, seditionists and traitors shouldn't have monuments. Oh look, ignorance made it on page one. |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:52:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, that and the causes they were fighting for. Neither of which really supports the worship of Confederate leaders that persists to this day. I don't recall anyone in this thread worshiping Confederate leaders. I think the general consensus, at least from those in this thread, is that tearing down statues based on whims and feels sets a bad precedent and is doing a historical disservice to later generations |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:53:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't recall anyone in this thread worshiping Confederate leaders. I think the general consensus, at least from those in this threat, is that tearing down statues based on whim and feels sets a bad precedent and is doing a historical disservice to later generations Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, that and the causes they were fighting for. Neither of which really supports the worship of Confederate leaders that persists to this day. I don't recall anyone in this thread worshiping Confederate leaders. I think the general consensus, at least from those in this threat, is that tearing down statues based on whim and feels sets a bad precedent and is doing a historical disservice to later generations This thread, like the histrionics going on in Richmond, hardly exists in a vacuum. |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:56:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't recall anyone in this thread worshiping Confederate leaders. I think the general consensus, at least from those in this thread, is that tearing down statues based on whims and feels sets a bad precedent and is doing a historical disservice to later generations Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, that and the causes they were fighting for. Neither of which really supports the worship of Confederate leaders that persists to this day. I don't recall anyone in this thread worshiping Confederate leaders. I think the general consensus, at least from those in this thread, is that tearing down statues based on whims and feels sets a bad precedent and is doing a historical disservice to later generations The statues themselves are a form of worship to Confederate leaders. Just like they are for anyone else that has a statue. There aren't many "we feel bad for you since you lost your war against us so we'll create a statue to remember you by" statues that I'm aware of |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:56:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some ignorant folks in here. You can scold Lee for going with his State, but he was more of a human than Grant ever was and unlike Grant freed the family slaves years before the war even started. My knowledge does NOT jive with this. Please prove me wrong. Lee held slaves throughout the war. He didn’t really give a shit. Was never a big time slave owner. He inherited a few and with inherited debt and debtor prisons he used the few runaway slaves to pay down his debt. Like I said. I LOVE Lee. Please correct me. I so so want Lee to be some emancipator. |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:57:58 PM EDT
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Not a worshipper nor a southerner , but I know tearing down monuments and trying to disappear history is never good whether your burning books or blowing up statues anywhere in the world
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:58:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't recall anyone in this thread worshiping Confederate leaders. I think the general consensus, at least from those in this thread, is that tearing down statues based on whims and feels sets a bad precedent and is doing a historical disservice to later generations Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, that and the causes they were fighting for. Neither of which really supports the worship of Confederate leaders that persists to this day. I don't recall anyone in this thread worshiping Confederate leaders. I think the general consensus, at least from those in this thread, is that tearing down statues based on whims and feels sets a bad precedent and is doing a historical disservice to later generations Meh, he's always been like that and it's why he does not get any respect out of me. Just because you live in Virginia does not make you a Virginian.
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:59:12 PM EDT
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It’s about time America stopped celebrating losers.
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Posted: 6/3/2020 9:01:03 PM EDT
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They should erect a statue of the governor in blackface to replace it...
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Posted: 6/3/2020 9:01:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was inevitable. They already got rid of Lee-Jackson day this year. Maybe they can put up a statue of Black Panther and Hillary Clinton making out or something. Fucking sad. I used to live on Monument Ave about 25 years ago. Was a cool place to live in that time. |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 9:01:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The statues themselves are a form of worship to Confederate leaders. Just like they are for anyone else that has a statue. There aren't many "we feel bad for you since you lost your war against us so we'll create a statue to remember you by" statues that I'm aware of Any statue is a form of worship? Seriously
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Posted: 6/3/2020 9:02:23 PM EDT
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So long Uncle Robert
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Posted: 6/3/2020 9:02:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The difference is Washington didnt commit treason against the United States of America. And he didnt lose. For a “winner” you sure have a batch of sour grapes... I take it they never taught you commies about reconciliation? These monuments were part of it, it was a war of “brother against brother”. Just more divisive bullshit from the left. |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 9:03:07 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A day of reckoning is coming fast and it's going to be one of the most ugliest in human history. X87 I am waiting on them to blow the face off stone mtn. |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 9:04:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, he's always been like that and it's why he does not get any respect out of me. Just because you live in Virginia does not make you a Virginian. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, that and the causes they were fighting for. Neither of which really supports the worship of Confederate leaders that persists to this day. I don't recall anyone in this thread worshiping Confederate leaders. I think the general consensus, at least from those in this thread, is that tearing down statues based on whims and feels sets a bad precedent and is doing a historical disservice to later generations Meh, he's always been like that and it's why he does not get any respect out of me. Just because you live in Virginia does not make you a Virginian. See, here's an example of the larger context. Kick that up a notch and imagine being black around that kind of rhetoric. |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 9:06:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any statue is a form of worship? Seriously Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The statues themselves are a form of worship to Confederate leaders. Just like they are for anyone else that has a statue. There aren't many "we feel bad for you since you lost your war against us so we'll create a statue to remember you by" statues that I'm aware of Any statue is a form of worship? Seriously Reading comprehension there bud. Can you name any PERSON that has a statue out in public put up by the government t that was meant to be a negative monument as opposed to praising/celebrating them? |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 9:09:49 PM EDT
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Sad day for history and in history.
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Posted: 6/3/2020 9:10:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A day of reckoning is coming fast and it's going to be one of the most ugliest in human history. That is a fact. The only question is: will we make a good accounting of ourselves? |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 9:11:13 PM EDT
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Didn't that picture of .gov blackface come from his days at W&L? Tell me how an alumnus of Washington and Lee University can do this? This man has a black heart. To remove a statue of one of the greatest American soldiers and son of Virginia who ever lived is disgusting.
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Posted: 6/3/2020 9:11:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't that picture of .gov blackface come from his days at W&L? Tell me how an alumnus of Washington and Lee University can do this? This man has a black heart. To remove a statue of one of the greatest American soldiers and son of Virginia who ever lived is disgusting. He went to VMI |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 9:11:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reading comprehension there bud. Can you name any PERSON that has a statue out in public put up by the government t that was meant to be a negative monument as opposed to praising/celebrating them? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The statues themselves are a form of worship to Confederate leaders. Just like they are for anyone else that has a statue. There aren't many "we feel bad for you since you lost your war against us so we'll create a statue to remember you by" statues that I'm aware of Any statue is a form of worship? Seriously Reading comprehension there bud. Can you name any PERSON that has a statue out in public put up by the government t that was meant to be a negative monument as opposed to praising/celebrating them? Words have meaning there "bud". You said worship, that isn't even remotely the same as praising or even honoring. I also never said nor implied that the statues were placed there to denigrate Lee or Stuart. They most certainly were not and I would never claim otherwise. |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 9:11:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reading comprehension there bud. Can you name any PERSON that has a statue out in public put up by the government t that was meant to be a negative monument as opposed to praising/celebrating them? Dude had a pretty solid military acumen and was an American general. It used to be American history, now it’s just muh sour panty twist over semantics. Lol...see post below... |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 9:13:21 PM EDT
[#49]
The timing might suck but Lee was a traitor and a loser. Good riddance.
Oh, and FUCK THE CONFEDERACY |
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Posted: 6/3/2020 9:15:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The timing might suck but Lee was a traitor and a loser. Good riddance. Oh, and FUCK THE CONFEDERACY 
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