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Posted: 11/29/2023 11:45:38 PM EST
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U-P-G-R-A-Y-E-D-D
The double D’s are for Double Dose of Destructive Doom. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 11/30/2023 12:01:11 AM EST
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Either the ammo is where all the paperwork lies or my gun budget is about to take a hit. I've wondered for a while about the non-fixed ammo clause for DD's was worth exploring, though not with the current ATF.
The case straight from harborfreight and what looks like a ziptie holding the round together makes me both nervous and intrigued. |
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Posted: 11/30/2023 12:01:20 AM EST
[#3]
Well, how's the launcher not a DD?
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Posted: 11/30/2023 12:03:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: walkinginadangerzone]
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _Matt_: Is this why all the guntubers have been shooting rpgs lately? lol Yes, except Brandon Herrera. They just paid Ride Tanks for the ability to shoot real factory RPG 7 trainer grenades. Edit: That said, this might take an interesting turn, the round used in that incident that ended up exploding Adam from Ballistic Highspeed was from them, tho not sure who the launcher belonged to, or who did the work on it. Might lead to legal issues, depending how Adam feels going forward. |
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Posted: 11/30/2023 12:08:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wammel: Either the ammo is where all the paperwork lies or my gun budget is about to take a hit. I've wondered for a while about the non-fixed ammo clause for DD's was worth exploring, though not with the current ATF. The case straight from harborfreight and what looks like a ziptie holding the round together makes me both nervous and intrigued. I too was amused by the Harbor Freight connection. |
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Posted: 11/30/2023 12:11:12 AM EST
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I would love to know more. My guess is that it is incompatible with RPG ammo for existing models considered DDs and uses non-fixed ammunition proprietary to this model and that if desired, ammo that is itself a DD can be had, but the launcher is not in and of itself a DD.
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USA
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Posted: 11/30/2023 12:12:16 AM EST
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Posted: 11/30/2023 12:17:46 AM EST
[#8]
Look, @Ben
I just got a surplus Hmmwv, goddamned it. Why are you making this known now? Now I'm going to have to redirect funds to getting one and trying to get them written into the rule set of Run and Gun matches down here. Killing me, man. |
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Posted: 11/30/2023 1:46:36 AM EST
[#9]
After the video of that YouTuber gunguy blowing himself up, I’ll pass for now.
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Posted: 11/30/2023 10:28:40 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boomer: After the video of that YouTuber gunguy blowing himself up, I'll pass for now. |
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Posted: 11/30/2023 10:37:15 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 9mmmac: My aunt has an armadillo problem. Is this a good solution? I think it's better suited to armordillos. |
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Posted: 11/30/2023 11:23:31 PM EST
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Ok, it ships as a Title 1 w/ the inability to do anything, less than a 37mm smoothbore grenade launcher.
You file the Form 1 for a DD, wait, then cut a slot in the muzzle for the round to index on. Each live round is likely still a DD in inself & would require a Federally licensed magazine, no, OP? |
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Posted: 11/30/2023 11:58:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Ok, it ships as a Title 1 w/ the inability to do anything, less than a 37mm smoothbore grenade launcher. You file the Form 1 for a DD, wait, then cut a slot in the muzzle for the round to index on. Each live round is likely still a DD in inself & would require a Federally licensed magazine, no, OP? Good option for CA. DDs here are much easier to get than most other NFA stuff but something like this would likely still require the lower-level DD permit. You can buy this until you meet the conditions for the permit (storage related) and get one and then go for the stamp and convert it. Also avoids needing an SOT for the transfer, as very, very few of the SOTs in CA will deal with ordinary folk. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 12:01:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: Ben]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Ok, it ships as a Title 1 w/ the inability to do anything, less than a 37mm smoothbore grenade launcher. You file the Form 1 for a DD, wait, then cut a slot in the muzzle for the round to index on. Each live round is likely still a DD in inself & would require a Federally licensed magazine, no, OP? Most the rounds are not DD's, however they become regulated explosives and cannot be transported on public roads once assembled. So you have to assemble and use rounds at the same location. Like tannerite. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 1:18:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Most the rounds are not DD's, however they become regulated explosives and cannot be transported on public roads once assembled. So you have to assemble and use rounds at the same location. Like tannerite. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By backbencher: Ok, it ships as a Title 1 w/ the inability to do anything, less than a 37mm smoothbore grenade launcher. You file the Form 1 for a DD, wait, then cut a slot in the muzzle for the round to index on. Each live round is likely still a DD in inself & would require a Federally licensed magazine, no, OP? Most the rounds are not DD's, however they become regulated explosives and cannot be transported on public roads once assembled. So you have to assemble and use rounds at the same location. Like tannerite. Are they not DDs by having under a 1/2 oz of explosives or is it something else? I would love to see someone make rifle grenades for the public, both something like what you describe and full-blown DDs, because then the rifle can become the launcher and is Title 1. I have four rifles that can be used to launch NATO spec rifle grenades myself. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 1:22:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61: Are they not DDs by having under a 1/2 oz of explosives or is it something else? I would love to see someone make rifle grenades for the public, both something like what you describe and full-blown DDs, because then the rifle can become the launcher and is Title 1. I have four rifles that can be used to launch NATO spec rifle grenades myself. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By backbencher: Ok, it ships as a Title 1 w/ the inability to do anything, less than a 37mm smoothbore grenade launcher. You file the Form 1 for a DD, wait, then cut a slot in the muzzle for the round to index on. Each live round is likely still a DD in inself & would require a Federally licensed magazine, no, OP? Most the rounds are not DD's, however they become regulated explosives and cannot be transported on public roads once assembled. So you have to assemble and use rounds at the same location. Like tannerite. Are they not DDs by having under a 1/2 oz of explosives or is it something else? I would love to see someone make rifle grenades for the public, both something like what you describe and full-blown DDs, because then the rifle can become the launcher and is Title 1. I have four rifles that can be used to launch NATO spec rifle grenades myself. Let this sink in... A civil war era 6lbs artillery piece spherical case shot shell had a 1/2oz blackpowder bursting charge. A device can have up to a .25oz bursting charge without being a DD. Modern explosives and smokeless powder is far more powerful than black powder. A non-DD 40mm round with a 1/4oz bursting charge and fragmentation for hog hunting is going to be available soon. It will likely have something like a 15' expected casualty radius. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 3:00:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Let this sink in... A civil war era 6lbs artillery piece spherical case shot shell had a 1/2oz blackpowder bursting charge. A device can have up to a .25oz bursting charge without being a DD. Modern explosives and smokeless powder is far more powerful than black powder. A non-DD 40mm round with a 1/4oz bursting charge and fragmentation for hog hunting is going to be available soon. It will likely have something like a 15' expected casualty radius. Interesting. 6-pdrs used a 3.67" ball which in the case of Shrapnel/case shot would be filled with iron balls outside of the explosive center. A lot of the AP rifle grenades are narrower, but longer than a 40mm grenade (HEDP are usually close in diameter, though). I wonder if something cool could be made for launching from rifles with 22mm spigots. I also wonder what kind of penetrating warhead, if any, is possible with 1/4 oz. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 3:38:15 AM EST
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SC, USA
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Posted: 12/1/2023 4:43:40 AM EST
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So a warhead could be filled with Tannerite, and the tip of the warhead could have a backwards facing blasting cap, so the impact of the warhead against anything would set-off the blasting cap, daisy-chaining the Tannerite
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Posted: 12/1/2023 5:00:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: PrincipsPistol]
[#20]
Can we get PSA to mass produce this, maybe get them down to like $600?
Also, can this workaround be applied to under barrel grenade launchers? A GP25 and M203 would make life worth living. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 5:04:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HellSpork: Estes model rockets branching out? Lol |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 5:36:27 AM EST
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Posted: 12/1/2023 5:40:33 AM EST
[#23]
Neat
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Posted: 12/1/2023 6:38:40 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shazbat: These should be in vending machines at Buc-ees ATF should be a fucking convenience store. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 7:13:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: ATF should be a fucking convenience store. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Originally Posted By Shazbat: These should be in vending machines at Buc-ees ATF should be a fucking convenience store. What if I told you, it already is? |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 2:10:37 PM EST
[#26]
So no updates since 7 this morning?
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Posted: 12/1/2023 2:17:58 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors: So no updates since 7 this morning? They got him for trying to tell us the magic secret to non papered legal RPGs 
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PA, USA
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Posted: 12/1/2023 2:57:33 PM EST
[#28]
Bump for interest and visibility. Looking forward to video of it not blowing up
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Posted: 12/1/2023 3:19:58 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ginger-mech: Bump for interest and visibility. Looking forward to video of it not blowing up Soon. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 4:54:01 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Soon. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By ginger-mech: Bump for interest and visibility. Looking forward to video of it not blowing up Soon. 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/1/2023 5:05:36 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MadMonkey: Will it put you in the hospital? depends. how brave are you? |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 6:16:44 PM EST
[#32]
Ugh, in for more shit I don’t need but will probably buy. I just paid a credit card off too.
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Posted: 12/1/2023 6:24:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: ParityError]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Let this sink in... A civil war era 6lbs artillery piece spherical case shot shell had a 1/2oz blackpowder bursting charge. A device can have up to a .25oz bursting charge without being a DD. Modern explosives and smokeless powder is far more powerful than black powder. A non-DD 40mm round with a 1/4oz bursting charge and fragmentation for hog hunting is going to be available soon. It will likely have something like a 15' expected casualty radius. ATF “reinterpreting” 0.25 to mean 0.0025 in 3… 2… 1… |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 6:38:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: That was put on hold when I was hospitalized repeatedly the last couple months. Spring that project takes back off. This post is someone else being way more awesome than me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Originally Posted By Hopscotch: I would like that. How goes it on getting the MG approved? That was put on hold when I was hospitalized repeatedly the last couple months. Spring that project takes back off. This post is someone else being way more awesome than me. Well that’s quite a testament to their character. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 9:47:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ParityError: ATF “reinterpreting” 0.25 to mean 0.0025 in 3… 2… 1… Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ParityError: Originally Posted By Ben: Let this sink in... A civil war era 6lbs artillery piece spherical case shot shell had a 1/2oz blackpowder bursting charge. A device can have up to a .25oz bursting charge without being a DD. Modern explosives and smokeless powder is far more powerful than black powder. A non-DD 40mm round with a 1/4oz bursting charge and fragmentation for hog hunting is going to be available soon. It will likely have something like a 15' expected casualty radius. ATF “reinterpreting” 0.25 to mean 0.0025 in 3… 2… 1… Let them interpret it all they want, I intend to use it only for sporting purposes. |
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Posted: 12/1/2023 9:57:22 PM EST
[#36]
In, and hoping some of this technology/legal maneuvering can be used for my 81mm mortar.
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Posted: 12/2/2023 2:31:55 AM EST
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so in on this one. old school tag
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Posted: 12/2/2023 3:10:04 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: A non-DD 40mm round with a 1/4oz bursting charge and fragmentation for hog hunting is going to be available soon. It will likely have something like a 15' expected casualty radius. 
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Posted: 12/2/2023 3:28:23 AM EST
[#39]
Why not an rpg7 instead of the 2? More out there
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Posted: 12/2/2023 4:15:10 AM EST
[#40]
I have an RPG 2. I need ammo.
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Posted: 12/2/2023 7:19:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: trapsh00ter99]
[#41]
Black powder, muzzleloading, non fixed ammo?
Edit: yea, I think this is it (if not it should be). Have the "booster" separated from the "warhead". Load booster, load warhead. RPG2 boosters are black powder. You basically have a smooth bore muzzleloading cannon, same legality as a bowling ball mortar. |
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Posted: 12/2/2023 8:31:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Why not an rpg7 instead of the 2? More out there 7 uses a 2 stage charge. 2 is just a recoilless single charge IIRC. |
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Posted: 12/2/2023 8:47:45 AM EST
[#43]
Nice!
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Posted: 12/2/2023 9:19:16 AM EST
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Tag.
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Posted: 12/2/2023 11:17:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: Dominion21]
[#45]
Ammunition for this is not available in commercial channels (never was) and it was never officially adopted by anyone:
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/10/13/iras-recoilless-improvised-grenade-launcher/  I see zero reason why you couldn’t build as many of these as you want. |
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Posted: 12/2/2023 2:00:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ben: Soon.  |
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Posted: 12/2/2023 2:25:29 PM EST
[#47]
in. I'm scared of explosives but all for sticking it to the ATF. Go Ben go!
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Posted: 12/2/2023 2:42:09 PM EST
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I want to know more about the 40mm!
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Posted: 12/2/2023 2:49:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: Aimless]
[#49]
I saw that dude get blown up by a hold my beer RPG and decided I am not competent to judge the safety of such devices.
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Posted: 12/2/2023 2:57:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: I saw that dude get blown up by a hold my beer RPG and decided I am not competent to judge the safety of such devices. Remember when those guys got killed firing homemade tank gun rounds? I would need a pretty good reason to shoot hobby grade RPGs. |
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