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Maybe we should start a dog fighting club where we have animals kill one another so we could settle this.

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This dog is basically considered the greatest fighting pit bull of all time, Grand Champion Zebo

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/7.jpg

He was fought at roughly 43 pounds.  I'm only up to page 2, but most of the stuff posted is ridiculous.  Airedales in open, Bull Terriers, Kangals, Akita's, Tosa's, Rottweilers, blah, the Pit Bull would routinely kill all them giving up anywhere from 20-80 pounds of uphill weight difference.  The only dog I know that routinely can kill Pit Bulls with minimal damage in return is the Caucasian Shepherd.  The Russian version of youtube has a lot of pit bull fights (and a crap ton of virus').  There's even some videos of Pit Bulls shredding wolverines in a minute.

I'm against dog fighting, always have been, but I have had pit bulls since 1981 until 2012, which was the last one I will ever own, but the pit bull was bred not to quit.  Lots of owners think their big dog is killing a pit bull, but some pit bull battles went over 2 hours.  Dogs could lose, but if they were quit, they were culled, the quit was literally bred out of the damned things.  Then Flashdance came out anad suddenly every hood rat wanted one but they wanted them bigger and meaner looking so they bred Mastiff type breeds into them, which are protection dogs, so now you have a none social protection dog that has no quit, a bad combo, hence the current problem.   A true APBT is a problem for an animal with 4 legs, they were never known to be manbiters.  Half that reason is because pit men would kill a man biter since they wouldn't be able to handle it in the pit, not because they were saints.  The one I posted bit a few people, but it was an excite biter more than anything and fought so good they put up with it.

You guys hate  pit bulls so much, and I get it, but with so much hate, you should actually read about them, their history, what the hell happened with the breed, and what the current problem really is.  Not everyone should own one, it took 3 months in 1981 to find my first one, they were rare dogs, now they're everywhere and soccer mom's keep rescuing them to prove "it's not the dog, it's the owner" which is one of the dumbest statements ever.  We breed traits into dogs, you better believe it's the dog, pit bulls have 300 plus years of breeding to do nothing but fight and not quit, those genes are deep in the breed, even with these modern mutants.

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Reading this thread and I couldn't stop thinking......

"My dad can beat up your dad".  

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Anybody who is interested in dog fighting is a useless fucking hick.

I have mastiffs. They are big,strong dogs,especially the male Mastini,but are exceptionally well socialized to be good dog citizens with anyone and anything they meet. I do not want and would not own an aggressive dog,my dogs need to go to the dog park and play well with everyone and everything, and they do. My boy has never had a problem with another dog and I'm not sure how well he would handle it if he were attacked by a garbage dog. I don't have dogs for protection,they are just companions. If I need to protect my companions then so be it.

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My GSD has been in four fights with four different pitbulls.  My dog won all the fights with only a few cuts and scrapes.  But he was also about their size when he was a small pup.  My dogs dad has a much higher pitbull kill count. He liked to break their backs.  Pure blooded big chested DDR lines FTW.

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My GSD has been in four fights with four different pitbulls.  My dog won all the fights with only a few cuts and scrapes.  But he was also about their size when he was a small pup.  My dogs dad has a much higher pitbull kill count. He liked to break their backs.  Pure blooded big chested DDR lines FTW.

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Ovcharka, kangal, dogo

The pit needs to get on the neck first.  Wolf hybrids and wolf country shepherds will do fine with a pit because they move fast and for the neck.  Most domesticated security dogs are bred to bark a lot as opposed to physically dominate.

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My GSD has been in four fights with four different pitbulls.  My dog won all the fights with only a few cuts and scrapes.  But he was also about their size when he was a small pup.  My dogs dad has a much higher pitbull kill count. He liked to break their backs.  Pure blooded big chested DDR lines FTW.

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In a ring or in the open?

In the open, an Airedale would kill it.  Speed and quickness would be too much for the pit, pit gets tired, Airedales don't quit, and kills the pit.

Same with a Giant Schnauzer and a whole list of other breeds.  Basically, all the larger sight hunters/wolf hounds.

Giant coyotes?  Give me a f'in break.  Unless its a wolf that you merely think is a coyote.

A coyote would struggle to take down even a medium sized terrier.  I'm talking Irish or a small Wheaton.  A Kerry Blue would make quick work of a coyote.

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Well, all this talk of fighting dogs is great and all... But I'm just gonna post this pic of Diesel the love bug keeping a close eye on my daughter when she was 2. He followed her everywhere. Just watching. Making sure she didn't get in trouble. Probably no match for a fighting pit as he was no fighter himself but I'm sure he'd have put up a valiant effort if forced to.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261993/20181101_135240_jpg-725152.JPG

My favorite memory of Diesel was how he handled the bushes that ringed our property. We'd all find clear ways to go around them. He'd just plow straight through them like a ship in heavy seas. There was no stopping that sweet behemoth. He topped out at 265 at his biggest.

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The livestock guardian dogs could handle a pit. Our Anatolian is scary strong and fast and our new Akbash looks to be even more so than our Anatolian girl.

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I saw an Akita play Bam Bam with a Pit. I was more than a little impressed.
If you don't understand the reference, The Flintstones is worth watching.

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A Coyote would destroy a pit.  Coyotes are wild animals that have been fighting since they were born to survive.  If a pit managed to get a hold of one sure he probably would win.  But I doubt he would. A coyote would hamstring him and waited for him to get tired.

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A Coyote would destroy a pit.  Coyotes are wild animals that have been fighting since they were born to survive.  If a pit managed to get a hold of one sure he probably would win.  But I doubt he would. A coyote would hamstring him and waited for him to get tired.

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Why is your dog getting involved in so many fights?

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A Coyote would destroy a pit.  Coyotes are wild animals that have been fighting since they were born to survive.  If a pit managed to get a hold of one sure he probably would win.  But I doubt he would. A coyote would hamstring him and waited for him to get tired.

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This would be my vote.  Their extra flesh at the neck protects vitals and they were bred to protect livestock.  My Buster is an Akbash.  Best. Dog. Ever.  He's small, only 75#.  For the haters, I'm not saying I'd want MY dog to fight a pit, but there are some of the breed I'd have no doubt could take one.  Mine's a housepet.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/407643/Buster-465942.jpg

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This would be my vote.  Their extra flesh at the neck protects vitals and they were bred to protect livestock.  My Buster is an Akbash.  Best. Dog. Ever.  He's small, only 75#.  For the haters, I'm not saying I'd want MY dog to fight a pit, but there are some of the breed I'd have no doubt could take one.  Mine's a housepet.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/407643/Buster-465942.jpg

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Yep....... Well, except for you analogy is off a bit.

For the purposes of the thread topic-

The featherweight dad comes from generations of special breeding to produce extraordinary strength that's far beyond what would be expected of his size; crazy amount of stamina; and a mental capacity to go "red zone" totally ignoring pain, injury and normal human self preservation tendencies.

The heavyweight dad is just some big dude who's gotten into a few minor scraps in his life plus maybe took some MMA or played football in High School. Definitely NOT even close to being in the class of a "champion" fighter.

The only reason I care enough to join these threads is because many, many, many people are ignorant about the effect of breeding and genetics. Mankind created dog breeds with special traits through selective breeding. Folks have their favorite Bird Dog breed or Sheep Herding breed, etc and in many cases it just comes down to minor differences that make someone favor one over the other.

The PitBull on the other hand doesn't really have another breed that's "Basically the same" with only minor differences.

Again, I don't like the Pitt type dog, so don't misconstrue that I'm a Pit enthusiast. Breed characteristics and genetics are what they are and the "PittBull" is a premier fighter. Arguing against that is ignoring both the dogs genetics and the years of testing to prove it out.

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I've had a few Akitas, they are no joke.

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How about a Chihuahua wrapped in det cord?

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Probably a Karelian Bear Dog...it kills bears in Siberia

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You left out the Kurdish Kangal which I believe on avg would whip any other dog. Size has it's advantages. Kangal can take the pain, has the extreme desire to be dominant and we're bred for fighting. Add on the fact they may outweigh a pit by #100+ lbs and I'm going Kangal...

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This dog is basically considered the greatest fighting pit bull of all time, Grand Champion Zebo

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/7.jpg

He was fought at roughly 43 pounds.  I'm only up to page 2, but most of the stuff posted is ridiculous.  Airedales in open, Bull Terriers, Kangals, Akita's, Tosa's, Rottweilers, blah, the Pit Bull would routinely kill all them giving up anywhere from 20-80 pounds of uphill weight difference.  The only dog I know that routinely can kill Pit Bulls with minimal damage in return is the Caucasian Shepherd.  The Russian version of youtube has a lot of pit bull fights (and a crap ton of virus').  There's even some videos of Pit Bulls shredding wolverines in a minute.

I'm against dog fighting, always have been, but I have had pit bulls since 1981 until 2012, which was the last one I will ever own, but the pit bull was bred not to quit.  Lots of owners think their big dog is killing a pit bull, but some pit bull battles went over 2 hours.  Dogs could lose, but if they were quit, they were culled, the quit was literally bred out of the damned things.  Then Flashdance came out anad suddenly every hood rat wanted one but they wanted them bigger and meaner looking so they bred Mastiff type breeds into them, which are protection dogs, so now you have a none social protection dog that has no quit, a bad combo, hence the current problem.   A true APBT is a problem for an animal with 4 legs, they were never known to be manbiters.  Half that reason is because pit men would kill a man biter since they wouldn't be able to handle it in the pit, not because they were saints.  The one I posted bit a few people, but it was an excite biter more than anything and fought so good they put up with it.

You guys hate  pit bulls so much, and I get it, but with so much hate, you should actually read about them, their history, what the hell happened with the breed, and what the current problem really is.  Not everyone should own one, it took 3 months in 1981 to find my first one, they were rare dogs, now they're everywhere and soccer mom's keep rescuing them to prove "it's not the dog, it's the owner" which is one of the dumbest statements ever.  We breed traits into dogs, you better believe it's the dog, pit bulls have 300 plus years of breeding to do nothing but fight and not quit, those genes are deep in the breed, even with these modern mutants.

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Seriously, this.  I once witnessed a pitbull kill 2 full grown t-Rex’s and a male lion.  The pit then fucked all of the lionesses and the birthed a strain of invincible pit-lions that eat elephants and rhinos.  Trust me, not to be fucked with.  

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From what I read on here, any rickety gsd owned by a delusional fat slob should do.

Really you people a morons, they use APBTs for a reason they're good at
Fighting. Just like retrievers retrieve and pointers point pitbulls are good at destroying other dogs.

Don't you think if there was a better fighting be dog they wouldn't be using it by now?  There is alot of money riding on these fights they can buy what ever dog they want yet
They still choose an APBT.

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The people claiming their dogs ripping apart pit bulls at the dog parks fail to see the irony that their dogs, too, could kill and eat the children — they just haven't yet.

"Yeah - my dog is a dominant breed, and kills all the pibbles but I'm the alpha, so my dog knows his place."

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Thats the Dogo Argentino you described just there, not the APBT. One of the advantages of the Dogo is that its a much recent,  purer breed, and the best kennels around still value performance for working and hunting over looks.

Over the years many breeds that have been created with a specific task in mind have been contaminated by people mixing them up with god knows what, mixing them for looks and show rather than performance.
Since dog fighting is pretty much illegal everywhere and has been for many years, you have everything from trailer trash, to soccer moms breeding APBT anyway they see fit, completely trashing your theory of genetic superiority. Strong muscular terrier with a strong drive?  for sure, but nothing specifically bred for performance, not in a very long time.

I've seen pit bulls scare away with a kick in the ass. Hell, even GSD, most dogs do that. Never saw that in a Dogo. There's videos out there of Dogos getting their bellies cut by hogs and pumas, the owner cleaning the guts, pushing them back in and stitching the animal shut. With Pit Bulls you dont have that consistency in the breed. But then again its an animal intended for something else, not pit fighting. But can it take a Pit Bull? (that was the question after all ) Sure as hell can, it has killed Pit Bulls, pumas, wild boars, bulls and if I remember correctly from some crazy ass Russians bears as well. For a homestead, thats without a doubt my ideal dog.

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Dogo Argentino
http://worldlistz.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Dogo_Argentino.jpg