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Originally Posted By 4v50:
I remember seeing these skulls in the museum in Caracas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udwo8Kvvp6Y View Quote It is also time to flush out anyone other than the absolutely apolitical from research and publication on speculative subjects. |
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Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:
The foundation of the pyramids at Giza is the bedrock itself. They're not even sure how much of the volume is actually bedrock vs quarried stone. I also don't see any reason to assume the other two pyramids are post flood. All indications are that there were probably lots of pyramids in the pre flood world. It would seem their civilization back then was based on some kind of worldwide Tesla like power grid. I know I've mentioned this already, but in mythology there is a link between the pyramids and the tower of Babel. But since you brought it up, I'll summarize it real quick. Josephus says there were two pyramids built before the flood, one out of stone (the great pyramid), and one out of clay brick. The clay brick pyramid was destroyed. The implication is that the tower of Babel was meant to rebuild the lost clay brick pyramid that had been destroyed in the flood. According to legend, Nimrod fully expected that God would flood the earth again in order to stop him from succeeding, just like he had stopped the pre flood civilization from succeeding in whatever it was they were doing. So he built a fifty foot high wall around the tower of Babel, since the flood waters were said to only be about forty feet high. The main idea here is that if Nimrod expected his actions to trigger another flood, it only makes sense that he knew he was repeating the thing that had triggered the first flood. Now the Bible says the tower of Babel was meant to reach the heavens. We think of heavens as heaven, but in the Bible there are multiple heavens, and one heaven that it talks about is the dimension that contains the imprisoned fallen angels. "Heavens" is really the Bible's way of saying other dimensions. So, according to a literal interpretation of scripture, they were trying to reach other dimensions with the tower of Babel, as opposed to being simpletons who thought heaven was up in the clouds and could be reached with a tall tower. That wasn't peoples' idea of "heaven" back then anyways. Especially in Babylonian thought, their heaven was in the underworld, just like the Greeks and Egyptians, so heaven for them was subterranean, not atmospheric. If they thought they could literally reach heaven by conventional means, spatially speaking, they would have dug a giant mine shaft, as opposed to building a tower. Then you have the emerald tablets, which say the great pyramid's original function was to free the gods who were trapped in the underworld. These were the same gods who had built the pre flood civilization, and were judged and imprisoned by God about a thousand years before the flood. So the complete picture you get is that the people before the flood built the two pyramids as part of some kind of interdimensional portal intended to free their gods from Tartarus. God prevents them from doing that with the flood, but then Nimrod tries to pick up where they left off, in an attempt to reestablish the Atlantean golden age by getting their old gods back. Then God confuses their language and that puts a sudden stop to things. The mere idea that confusing their language stopped the project makes it seem like it was more than just a simple tower. Especially if they were building it using pre flood documents written in a language that they could no longer understand. Josephus said that the great pyramid was at least in part to preserve pre flood knowledge. So when it became clear they weren't going to finish the project before the flood destroyed them, they may have written down all their technological knowledge and stored it in the great pyramid so that people on the other side of the flood could pick up where they left off. The apocrypha does say that post flood descendants of Ham went and dug up a pre flood city, and found what it calls the forbidden knowledge of the watchers in that city. View Quote Now that's pretty impressive. |
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Originally Posted By waterglass:
If this is true it is time to discount western acidemia as useless unless it is applied STEM. It is also time to flush out anyone other than the absolutely apolitical from research and publication on speculative subjects. View Quote Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:
So they were going to build a teleport out of clay? Now that's pretty impressive. View Quote For whatever reason, it seems pretty clear from the legends that clay brick was a necessary evil in its construction. Instead of choosing stone, Nimrod kept with the clay brick, choosing to build a fifty foot wall around it to prevent it from being destroyed in another flood. So they were apparently capable of building a fifty foot tall stone wall, meaning they definitely could have built the tower of babel out of stone had they wanted to. The use of clay was therefore a design requirement and not a matter of them being too primitive to use stone. I can't really think of any qualities of clay, other than it being non conductive. |
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With the info we have been discussing, what can we conclude so far with a decent degree of certainty?
1) the megalithic constructions in Latin America are most likely built by civilizations that predate Incas and others by several thousands of years, if not a lot more. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories. 2) the pyramids (at least the Great one) were built before the Egyptians became the big civilization we know. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories. 3) other places like India have constructions that still defy imagination and the process and technologies used to build them. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories. 4) It's getting more evident that Earth went through many cycles where thriving and advanced civilizations were wiped out leaving few traces of their existence 5) for not a very clear reason (or reasons) the mainstream academia appears to censor and discredit any ideas that contradict or question the theories consistently imposed throughout the years 6) it will take a long time for the truth to see the light of day, mostly because of censorship than actual research and new findings 7) there are some indications that Earth is going through another big shift Anything else? |
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this may explain some stuff.
Failed To Load Title Evidence of Ancient High Technology - Liquid Polishing at the Serapeum of Saqqara - Chapter 4 |
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Originally Posted By Rossi:
With the info we have been discussing, what can we conclude so far with a decent degree of certainty? 1) the megalithic constructions in Latin America are most likely built by civilizations that predate Incas and others by several thousands of years, if not a lot more. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories. 2) the pyramids (at least the Great one) were built before the Egyptians became the big civilization we know. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories. 3) other places like India have constructions that still defy imagination and the process and technologies used to build them. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories. 4) It's getting more evident that Earth went through many cycles where thriving and advanced civilizations were wiped out leaving few traces of their existence 5) for not a very clear reason (or reasons) the mainstream academia appears to censor and discredit any ideas that contradict or question the theories consistently imposed throughout the years 6) it will take a long time for the truth to see the light of day, mostly because of censorship than actual research and new findings 7) there are some indications that Earth is going through another big shift Anything else? View Quote |
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So this is from another thread, but I found the concept interesting, and the fact that is has been demonstrated in a lab.
In this CIA case study participant(s) are able to remove a pill from a medicine bottle using just their mind, sounds impossible but apparently they were able to have repeatable results over and over. A couple things come to mind, first this study is from the early 80s, perhaps this "tech" or knowledge has been improved upon over the past 30 years, and further, perhaps this sort of manipulation of "solid" material by the mind was known to the ancients and used in the construction of megaliths all over the world CIA Library " RESEARCH INTO PARANORMAL ABILITY TO BREAK THROUGH SPATIAL BARRIERS" |
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Originally Posted By waterglass:
this may explain some stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVhybHrNeQo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PgvvdIBI8E View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By waterglass:
this may explain some stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVhybHrNeQo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PgvvdIBI8E Originally Posted By Storz:
So this is from another thread, but I found the concept interesting, and the fact that is has been demonstrated in a lab. In this CIA case study participant(s) are able to remove a pill from a medicine bottle using just their mind, sounds impossible but apparently they were able to have repeatable results over and over. A couple things come to mind, first this study is from the early 80s, perhaps this "tech" or knowledge has been improved upon over the past 30 years, and further, perhaps this sort of manipulation of "solid" material by the mind was known to the ancients and used in the construction of megaliths all over the world CIA Library " RESEARCH INTO PARANORMAL ABILITY TO BREAK THROUGH SPATIAL BARRIERS" |
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Just because I live in my parent's basement doesn't make my unfounded opinions any less valid.
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Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:
I know the h blocks at puma punku couldn't be molded because there are unfinished ones in various states of being carved. That's freaky. I almost hope it's not true. https://i.imgflip.com/2whv3n.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:
Originally Posted By waterglass:
this may explain some stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVhybHrNeQo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PgvvdIBI8E Originally Posted By Storz:
So this is from another thread, but I found the concept interesting, and the fact that is has been demonstrated in a lab. In this CIA case study participant(s) are able to remove a pill from a medicine bottle using just their mind, sounds impossible but apparently they were able to have repeatable results over and over. A couple things come to mind, first this study is from the early 80s, perhaps this "tech" or knowledge has been improved upon over the past 30 years, and further, perhaps this sort of manipulation of "solid" material by the mind was known to the ancients and used in the construction of megaliths all over the world CIA Library " RESEARCH INTO PARANORMAL ABILITY TO BREAK THROUGH SPATIAL BARRIERS" https://i.imgflip.com/2whv3n.jpg Freaky indeed. The "force" is real... |
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Originally Posted By waterglass:
I remember reading as a kid that there were large mammal like land animals that were impossible to definitely classify that either pre-dated or were contemporary with the first lizards, which are what evolved into dinosaurs while the mammal like animals seemed to go extinct. They weren't classified as lizards or mammals, but mammal like. IIRC the mammals of today can be traced back 20,000,000 years before the extinction of dinosaurs. though they never really went extinct, they evolved into birds. Up until relatively recently there were predatory birds bigger than the Utah Raptor of Jurassic Park fame. They just didn't have the tails. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By waterglass:
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Originally Posted By exDefensorMilitas:
Originally Posted By saltydecimator:
Originally Posted By Rossi:
Found this video that defends the great flood. It even shows geological evidence of a worldwide cataclysmic event. However, one thing that "nags" me is that they describe a world ending-type event involving dinosaurs and other creatures that would have lived much before men walked earth. So, how does Noah's timeframe (and the animals he supposedly saved) coincide with it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8SCjn1hubc Unless I am missing something? ETA to add this video also worth watching. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpSI-dsEk3k IIRC the mammals of today can be traced back 20,000,000 years before the extinction of dinosaurs. though they never really went extinct, they evolved into birds. Up until relatively recently there were predatory birds bigger than the Utah Raptor of Jurassic Park fame. They just didn't have the tails. The split between placental and marsupial mammals occurred roughly 160 mya. Now, by the end of the Neogene, which is approx. 20 mya, all the modern orders of mammals had come into existence. They may have been what you were thinking about. |
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Originally Posted By exDefensorMilitas:
Placental and marsupial mammals were alive and well with all 3 lineages of dinosaurs. The K-T extinction event(approx. 66 mya) took out the non-avian dinosaurs, leaving birds and mammals. The split between placental and marsupial mammals occurred roughly 160 mya. Now, by the end of the Neogene, which is approx. 20 mya, all the modern orders of mammals had come into existence. They may have been what you were thinking about. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By exDefensorMilitas:
Originally Posted By waterglass:
Originally Posted By HEATSEAKER:
Originally Posted By exDefensorMilitas:
Originally Posted By saltydecimator:
Originally Posted By Rossi:
Found this video that defends the great flood. It even shows geological evidence of a worldwide cataclysmic event. However, one thing that "nags" me is that they describe a world ending-type event involving dinosaurs and other creatures that would have lived much before men walked earth. So, how does Noah's timeframe (and the animals he supposedly saved) coincide with it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8SCjn1hubc Unless I am missing something? ETA to add this video also worth watching. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpSI-dsEk3k IIRC the mammals of today can be traced back 20,000,000 years before the extinction of dinosaurs. though they never really went extinct, they evolved into birds. Up until relatively recently there were predatory birds bigger than the Utah Raptor of Jurassic Park fame. They just didn't have the tails. The split between placental and marsupial mammals occurred roughly 160 mya. Now, by the end of the Neogene, which is approx. 20 mya, all the modern orders of mammals had come into existence. They may have been what you were thinking about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therapsid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelycosaur I have also read that elephant sized mammals have been found recently going back to around 210Mya |
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Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:
To me they're a clear indication that Aryans did in fact exist. From a pagan perspective, the Aryans are the descendants of refugees from Atlantis. From a Judeo-Christian perspective, they're descendants of the antediluvian Nephilim, survived on the ark in the form of recessive genes carried by Noah's sons' wives. According to legend, Nimrod was the first post flood Nephilim, and became the father of all the Nephilim tribes wiped out by Moses. There's no indication what the second pyramid was for, or why it had to be made from clay brick. The obvious answer is that the structure had to be made from something insulative. In my opinion, the pyramids were the power source for something housed inside the clay brick pyramid. For whatever reason, it seems pretty clear from the legends that clay brick was a necessary evil in its construction. Instead of choosing stone, Nimrod kept with the clay brick, choosing to build a fifty foot wall around it to prevent it from being destroyed in another flood. So they were apparently capable of building a fifty foot tall stone wall, meaning they definitely could have built the tower of babel out of stone had they wanted to. The use of clay was therefore a design requirement and not a matter of them being too primitive to use stone. I can't really think of any qualities of clay, other than it being non conductive. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:
Originally Posted By waterglass:
If this is true it is time to discount western acidemia as useless unless it is applied STEM. It is also time to flush out anyone other than the absolutely apolitical from research and publication on speculative subjects. Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:
So they were going to build a teleport out of clay? Now that's pretty impressive. For whatever reason, it seems pretty clear from the legends that clay brick was a necessary evil in its construction. Instead of choosing stone, Nimrod kept with the clay brick, choosing to build a fifty foot wall around it to prevent it from being destroyed in another flood. So they were apparently capable of building a fifty foot tall stone wall, meaning they definitely could have built the tower of babel out of stone had they wanted to. The use of clay was therefore a design requirement and not a matter of them being too primitive to use stone. I can't really think of any qualities of clay, other than it being non conductive. |
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Originally Posted By Rossi:
With the info we have been discussing, what can we conclude so far with a decent degree of certainty? 1) the megalithic constructions in Latin America are most likely built by civilizations that predate Incas and others by several thousands of years, if not a lot more. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories. 2) the pyramids (at least the Great one) were built before the Egyptians became the big civilization we know. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories. 3) other places like India have constructions that still defy imagination and the process and technologies used to build them. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories. 4) It's getting more evident that Earth went through many cycles where thriving and advanced civilizations were wiped out leaving few traces of their existence 5) for not a very clear reason (or reasons) the mainstream academia appears to censor and discredit any ideas that contradict or question the theories consistently imposed throughout the years 6) it will take a long time for the truth to see the light of day, mostly because of censorship than actual research and new findings 7) there are some indications that Earth is going through another big shift Anything else? View Quote I'm working on shotgunning the math using the full work structure database as your resident GIS geospatial trig and large amounts of data expert. I had to add 3TB of SSD storage to one of my desktops to load the current database. |
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Originally Posted By Rossi:
With the info we have been discussing, what can we conclude so far with a decent degree of certainty? 1) the megalithic constructions in Latin America are most likely built by civilizations that predate Incas and others by several thousands of years, if not a lot more. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories. 2) the pyramids (at least the Great one) were built before the Egyptians became the big civilization we know. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories. 3) other places like India have constructions that still defy imagination and the process and technologies used to build them. Still no certainty about the technology used, only theories. 4) It's getting more evident that Earth went through many cycles where thriving and advanced civilizations were wiped out leaving few traces of their existence 5) for not a very clear reason (or reasons) the mainstream academia appears to censor and discredit any ideas that contradict or question the theories consistently imposed throughout the years 6) it will take a long time for the truth to see the light of day, mostly because of censorship than actual research and new findings 7) there are some indications that Earth is going through another big shift Anything else? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: One thing skipped: there hasn’t been any actual evidence to support any of these assertions... View Quote Plus there is actual evidence to support some of these assertions. For example, the radiocarbon dating and the water weathering. Plus the greater part of ancient sources attribute the pyramids to an older civilization, and the few sources who attribute it to Khufu were considered to be suspect even in their own time. To say there's no actual evidence is to throw out evidence that doesn't fit a certain narrative. |
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Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:
Well to be fair though, there's not much in the way of actual evidence to support the assertions in the official narrative. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:
Well to be fair though, there's not much in the way of actual evidence to support the assertions in the official narrative. Plus there is actual evidence to support some of these assertions. For example, the radiocarbon dating and the water weathering. Plus the greater part of ancient sources attribute the pyramids to an older civilization, and the few sources who attribute it to Khufu were considered to be suspect even in their own time. To say there's no actual evidence is to throw out evidence that doesn't fit a certain narrative. So far I see some pretty whack-a-doo “theories” presented as absolute, given, fact with nothing to support them. Supertechnological pre-prehistoric civilizations, power plants, masers, etc. What is lacking is any rational reason to believe any of the “truths” posted by Rossi above. |
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Distraction and irrelevant. Either the assertions above are supported by evidence or they’re not. Supporting this alternate theory has nothing to do with the mainstream theory, so stick to the topic. Tinfoil YouTube videos aren’t really evidence. If there’s something better, let’s see it. So far I see some pretty whack-a-doo “theories” presented as absolute, given, fact with nothing to support them. Supertechnological pre-prehistoric civilizations, power plants, masers, etc. What is lacking is any rational reason to believe any of the “truths” posted by Rossi above. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:
Well to be fair though, there's not much in the way of actual evidence to support the assertions in the official narrative. Plus there is actual evidence to support some of these assertions. For example, the radiocarbon dating and the water weathering. Plus the greater part of ancient sources attribute the pyramids to an older civilization, and the few sources who attribute it to Khufu were considered to be suspect even in their own time. To say there's no actual evidence is to throw out evidence that doesn't fit a certain narrative. So far I see some pretty whack-a-doo “theories” presented as absolute, given, fact with nothing to support them. Supertechnological pre-prehistoric civilizations, power plants, masers, etc. What is lacking is any rational reason to believe any of the “truths” posted by Rossi above. |
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Originally Posted By brass: It would appear that the primary job of archaeologists is keeping "their information" difficult to access. Since they don't know any answers, they release little, even when answers are un-knowable. Most time is spent attacking those wanting information, why is that? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Distraction and irrelevant. Either the assertions above are supported by evidence or they’re not. Supporting this alternate theory has nothing to do with the mainstream theory, so stick to the topic. Tinfoil YouTube videos aren’t really evidence. If there’s something better, let’s see it. So far I see some pretty whack-a-doo “theories” presented as absolute, given, fact with nothing to support them. Supertechnological pre-prehistoric civilizations, power plants, masers, etc. What is lacking is any rational reason to believe any of the “truths” posted by Rossi above. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By wakeboarder:
Originally Posted By brass: It would appear that the primary job of archaeologists is keeping "their information" difficult to access. Since they don't know any answers, they release little, even when answers are un-knowable. Most time is spent attacking those wanting information, why is that? |
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Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:
Evidence that doesn't fit your paradigm is not a distraction, and it's not irrelevant. You're being a real elbow right now. You obviously have all the answers and have no further need to learn anything more, so why are you even part of this discussion? You're in the wrong fucking thread if you think you're going to school anyone using this kind of battering ram style argument. It's not even an argument, it's just browbeating and howling at the moon. View Quote You’re mighty hostile for someone who thinks they’ve got all the answers... |
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: I want to learn, but... View Quote You're also making the mistake of thinking that just because an idea can't be proven means that another unprovable idea is therefore automatically validated. Not true! |
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Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:
Then read the damn thread. You're constantly demanding answers that have already been given ad nauseum. You're not here to learn, and at this point you're just trolling. You're also making the mistake of thinking that just because an idea can't be proven means that another unprovable idea is therefore automatically validated. Not true! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: I want to learn, but... You're also making the mistake of thinking that just because an idea can't be proven means that another unprovable idea is therefore automatically validated. Not true! It’s amusing that requests to back outrageous claims are considered trolling by “true believers”. Surely the truth can withstand a little scrutiny, right? |
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Another distraction... the validity of the orthodox view is another topic. I’ve read the thread and, while a lot of pretty “out there” opinions have been given, there isn’t really much in the way of evidence to support those claims given at all (much less “ad nauseum”). Stories aren’t evidence (neither are flaky YouTube vids). It’s amusing that requests to back outrageous claims are considered trolling by “true believers”. Surely the truth can withstand a little scrutiny, right? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Another distraction... the validity of the orthodox view is another topic. I’ve read the thread and, while a lot of pretty “out there” opinions have been given, there isn’t really much in the way of evidence to support those claims given at all (much less “ad nauseum”). Stories aren’t evidence (neither are flaky YouTube vids). It’s amusing that requests to back outrageous claims are considered trolling by “true believers”. Surely the truth can withstand a little scrutiny, right? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: I want to learn, but... You're also making the mistake of thinking that just because an idea can't be proven means that another unprovable idea is therefore automatically validated. Not true! It’s amusing that requests to back outrageous claims are considered trolling by “true believers”. Surely the truth can withstand a little scrutiny, right? If you know of any texst on the topic of anything from India to Mexico or other sites that have 'unique construction' please share them. I try to find legitimate sources, but get swamped by sensationalist who mention some works, which I can't find. Een an index would be good. The frew I did find were behind a paywall, such as the GPR/other scans of pyramids and surroundings, as well as similar surveys on the south american "mega sites'. It's not asking a lot, I'm not running around looking for fame with a new theory to make money by shocking people with, just trying to understand what we're looking at. Maybe the resident geologists could give more insight for all I know. |
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Here is a series I watched a bit ago. BLUF: demonstration pre to low chemical energy and low metal construction techniques and sciences, specifically medieval French castle construction. Might be educational.
The playlist.. ETA: @headstoner this is probably all old hat for you. The Historic Technology Needed To Build A Medieval Castle | Secrets Of The Castle |
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Headstoner was wondering if they used fire to remove the stone at Kailasa Temple in India. My opinion was chemicals, reducing the stone to mudlike consistency and then reusing it for agriculture or cement.
Still don't know which of us is right on how the rock was excavated but this cement found in India is interesting. Pay attention to the bit about using powdered granite as a shock deadener under the temple. Floating Rocks Of Ramappa Temple - Ancient Technology in India Headstoner may also enjoy this. 1000 Pillar Temple - Impossible Ancient Technology Found? |
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Originally Posted By RIO-lover:
These were the ancient Egyptian stone working tools http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-N_cpQZB3xOU/U9ZaRY_M7OI/AAAAAAAADx8/iSYdzWfB5tI/s1600/DSCN1434.JPG There is no explanation how these tools could have produced these 70 ton granite boxes with a mirror like smooth finish: https://hiddenincatours.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/p1190025.jpg and it is obvious that the crude hieroglyphics were scratched on the boxes by an inferior technique than was used to create the boxes. Look how deep and sharp these hieroglyphics are [https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/egyptian-hieroglyphs-hieroglyphics-ancient-granite-slabs-77037948.jpg View Quote I don't know if that stone was moved there or carved in situ. The level of flattening and polishing is NOT outside the realm of a dedicated man or three with about a month of spare time, and a whole lot of hard sand and other flat reference surfaces to lap with. It's just an amazing amount of work. That said, I doubt the guys who created it were the ones who carved on it. That level of skill would have transferred into carving reliefs on the outside instead of scratched outlines, unless the scratched outlines were layout for the grinding of releifs which never happened. I haven't seen others at that level of polish completed, so don't know if it could be an interrupted work or just graffiti by somebody messing about on it later. I could see either as plausible. @TxRabbitBane : If there is data on that top box (empty AFAIK, no name), or similar polished granite works a shown in the first image,how would I find them in the public domain? What do I search for? If you're in the field, I'd honestly LOVE to hear constructive suggestions, rather than "y'all amateurs don't know crap". To know crap, we need better sources than crap, and I'm all ears, even if it's reading and no pretty pictures or moving video. So please indulge us, by throwing another bone! I really enjoyed the last paper you posted. We're all here looking for answers and ideas, and yes, cool pictures to help think about how to do them with the stated basic tools of the time. That request goes for any other SME in these fields as well. |
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More Indian mind blowers for headstoner
How do the Musical Pillars Work? Rock Melting Technology? Cymatics? Hoysaleswara Temple, India - Built with Ancient Machining Technology? |
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Another distraction... the validity of the orthodox view is another topic. I’ve read the thread and, while a lot of pretty “out there” opinions have been given, there isn’t really much in the way of evidence to support those claims given at all (much less “ad nauseum”). Stories aren’t evidence (neither are flaky YouTube vids). It’s amusing that requests to back outrageous claims are considered trolling by “true believers”. Surely the truth can withstand a little scrutiny, right? View Quote If stories aren't valid evidence, basically the entire history of the Vikings can be discounted. Most everything we know about them comes from the Icelandic Sagas, which weren't even written down until several hundred years after the events they describe took place. A large part of the sagas also deals with supernatural events, so it's not like they're the most credible things out there by our modern standards. They're not much different from Beowulf in that regard. And again, there's also radiocarbon dating and weathering patterns that have been analyzed by mainstream geologists. Plus credible engineers who say they could use the pyramids to generate energy, along with ancient oral traditions that plainly state that the pyramids were power plants. What you're doing isn't scrutiny. You're not making a counterargument. Address the issues. You're entire argument consists of, Is not! Present your own evidence and counter the evidence given. Make an argument why you think the radiocarbon dating and weather patterns can be ignored. And why you think Herodotus is right, despite being contradicted by even his own contemporaries. |
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Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:
If stories aren't evidence, then the traditional view on everything is pretty much fucked, because in most cases it's only stories that support any of it, and told third or fourth hand at that. If stories, as you put it, are invalid, then we can pretty much just burn all the history books that predate about 1000 AD, and some after that. If stories aren't valid evidence, basically the entire history of the Vikings can be discounted. Most everything we know about them comes from the Icelandic Sagas, which weren't even written down until several hundred years after the events they describe took place. A large part of the sagas also deals with supernatural events, so it's not like they're the most credible things out there by our modern standards. They're not much different from Beowulf in that regard. And again, there's also radiocarbon dating and weathering patterns that have been analyzed by mainstream geologists. Plus credible engineers who say they could use the pyramids to generate energy, along with ancient oral traditions that plainly state that the pyramids were power plants. What you're doing isn't scrutiny. You're not making a counterargument. Address the issues. You're entire argument consists of, Is not! Present your own evidence and counter the evidence given. Make an argument why you think the radiocarbon dating and weather patterns can be ignored. And why you think Herodotus is right, despite being contradicted by even his own contemporaries. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Another distraction... the validity of the orthodox view is another topic. I’ve read the thread and, while a lot of pretty “out there” opinions have been given, there isn’t really much in the way of evidence to support those claims given at all (much less “ad nauseum”). Stories aren’t evidence (neither are flaky YouTube vids). It’s amusing that requests to back outrageous claims are considered trolling by “true believers”. Surely the truth can withstand a little scrutiny, right? If stories aren't valid evidence, basically the entire history of the Vikings can be discounted. Most everything we know about them comes from the Icelandic Sagas, which weren't even written down until several hundred years after the events they describe took place. A large part of the sagas also deals with supernatural events, so it's not like they're the most credible things out there by our modern standards. They're not much different from Beowulf in that regard. And again, there's also radiocarbon dating and weathering patterns that have been analyzed by mainstream geologists. Plus credible engineers who say they could use the pyramids to generate energy, along with ancient oral traditions that plainly state that the pyramids were power plants. What you're doing isn't scrutiny. You're not making a counterargument. Address the issues. You're entire argument consists of, Is not! Present your own evidence and counter the evidence given. Make an argument why you think the radiocarbon dating and weather patterns can be ignored. And why you think Herodotus is right, despite being contradicted by even his own contemporaries. As a whole, it has no more merit than the prevailing mainstream view. Of which there are known issues with incongruity, seeing as how it is based on evidence that is just a subset of all potentially available evidence. Some of which, we may never recover or be able to understand. Who knows, maybe you're the next Harlan Bretz or Clair Patterson. |
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Originally Posted By exDefensorMilitas: It's rather simple really. None of what you have proposed fits all available evidence, it might have some validity in some circumstance when viewed in isolation. As a whole, it has no more merit than the prevailing mainstream view. Of which there are known issues with incongruity, seeing as how it is based on evidence that is just a subset of all potentially available evidence. Some of which, we may never recover or be able to understand. Who knows, maybe you're the next Harlan Bretz or Clair Patterson. View Quote Also, none of what I've said is anything I'm proposing personally. I'm just relaying what the sources say, and then adding a bit of speculation. The viewpoint I presented probably conforms with 90% or more of the available evidence. And it might conform with all of it, if you approach it from a big picture perspective. Herodotus might have simply misunderstood some things. Like I said before, it's not outside the realm of possibility that Khufu was the legendary builder of the pyramids, and then the Khufu of the new kingdom, after restoring them, took the legendary figure's name. So it might be true that someone named Khufu built the pyramids, just not the one we think. My opinion is that there's an element of truth in all ancient sources. That's why you have to look at it from a far distance, and not get hung up on details that don't match. It's very similar to piecing together a story from multiple eyewitness statements. There will be contradictions in the details. |
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Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:
If stories aren't evidence, then the traditional view on everything is pretty much fucked, because in most cases it's only stories that support any of it, and told third or fourth hand at that. If stories, as you put it, are invalid, then we can pretty much just burn all the history books that predate about 1000 AD, and some after that. If stories aren't valid evidence, basically the entire history of the Vikings can be discounted. Most everything we know about them comes from the Icelandic Sagas, which weren't even written down until several hundred years after the events they describe took place. A large part of the sagas also deals with supernatural events, so it's not like they're the most credible things out there by our modern standards. They're not much different from Beowulf in that regard. And again, there's also radiocarbon dating and weathering patterns that have been analyzed by mainstream geologists. Plus credible engineers who say they could use the pyramids to generate energy, along with ancient oral traditions that plainly state that the pyramids were power plants. What you're doing isn't scrutiny. You're not making a counterargument. Address the issues. You're entire argument consists of, Is not! Present your own evidence and counter the evidence given. Make an argument why you think the radiocarbon dating and weather patterns can be ignored. And why you think Herodotus is right, despite being contradicted by even his own contemporaries. View Quote I’m not sure if it’s accidental or on purpose, but YOU are the one making a counterargument. As such, you carry the burden of proof. You keep saying it’s there, but you won’t point directly to it... why? You act as though you’re arguing from a position of verified fact, when in fact you’re making absurd statements about power generation and such ... none of which are even remotely verifiable as anything but wild hypothesis based on... uh... nothing, as far as I can tell. Without evidence, this theory is roughly as believable as the old documentary on the pyramids I saw the other night with Kurt Russell and James Spader. |
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Not fly enough to be halal....
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Links to this evidence, please. I’m not sure if it’s accidental or on purpose, but YOU are the one making a counterargument. As such, you carry the burden of proof. You keep saying it’s there, but you won’t point directly to it... why? You act as though you’re arguing from a position of verified fact, when in fact you’re making absurd statements about power generation and such ... none of which are even remotely verifiable as anything but wild hypothesis based on... uh... nothing, as far as I can tell. Without evidence, this theory is roughly as believable as the old documentary on the pyramids I saw the other night with Kurt Russell and James Spader. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Loremsk:
Here is a series I watched a bit ago. BLUF: demonstration pre to low chemical energy and low metal construction techniques and sciences, specifically medieval French castle construction. Might be educational. The playlist.. ETA: @headstoner this is probably all old hat for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAruY1lv6N4 View Quote |
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Originally Posted By RIO-lover:
These were the ancient Egyptian stone working tools http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-N_cpQZB3xOU/U9ZaRY_M7OI/AAAAAAAADx8/iSYdzWfB5tI/s1600/DSCN1434.JPG There is no explanation how these tools could have produced these 70 ton granite boxes with a mirror like smooth finish: https://hiddenincatours.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/p1190025.jpg and it is obvious that the crude hieroglyphics were scratched on the boxes by an inferior technique than was used to create the boxes. Look how deep and sharp these hieroglyphics are [https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/egyptian-hieroglyphs-hieroglyphics-ancient-granite-slabs-77037948.jpg View Quote I would not say that box has a mirror like polish on it, what it has is a very light polish that could be done in a day just by rubbing it with rocks and the sand found outside. The snow is melting up here now so i will be able to get a few mors pics of some very rudimentary work I have out back. There is a stone I did many years ago that has a light polish on it that I did by hand with some dollar store garbage sandpaper, it is a light color so might not look as good as a dark stone but you can see reflection nonetheless. |
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Originally Posted By waterglass:
More Indian mind blowers for headstoner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhoOA3pASy4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPn0NsZDtkk View Quote |
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Originally Posted By waterglass:
More Indian mind blowers for headstoner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhoOA3pASy4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPn0NsZDtkk View Quote |
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Originally Posted By HEATSEAKER: May have not been turned on a lathe. Adjustable cutter rotated around a roughly finished column using human/animal power walking in a circular motion on the end of long levers. A screw jack to slowly move cutter up or down the length of the column as material is removed. . Surprised there is no written or oral history on the method used. 900 yrs isn't THAT long ago. View Quote A good imagination and some motivation can get a lot of shit figured out and done....and beer doesn't hurt either. |
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Originally Posted By 6GUNZ: I'm not saying cats, but I'm not not saying cats either. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By headstoner: Thats part of the reasoning for wanting to construct one, a few years back we had a bunch of cats running around in the field. I figured good mouse control but then thought a cat-a- pult was funny. We also had just bought a new washer and dryer so I thought a full sized appliance launcher would be comical View Quote |
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Originally Posted By 6GUNZ:
Dude, I was just kidding. Animal cruelty isn't something the authorities turn a blind eye to anymore. Nowadays it's only slightly less frowned upon than diddling kids. View Quote @6GUNZ Edit: you just gave me another idea, a kid-a-pult!! If I can catch some of those little bastards, they're pretty quick you know. Maybe a van with some free candy or something would work. |
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Not fly enough to be halal....
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Nile shipwreck discovery proves Herodotus right – after 2,469 years
Greek historian’s description of ‘baris’ vessel vindicated by archaeologists at sunken city of Thonis-Heraclion In the fifth century BC, the Greek historian Herodotus visited Egypt and wrote of unusual river boats on the Nile. Twenty-three lines of his Historia, the ancient world’s first great narrative history, are devoted to the intricate description of the construction of a “baris”. For centuries, scholars have argued over his account because there was no archaeological evidence that such ships ever existed. Now there is. A “fabulously preserved” wreck in the waters around the sunken port city of Thonis-Heracleion has revealed just how accurate the historian was. ... Robinson said that previous scholars had “made some mistakes” in struggling to interpret the text without archaeological evidence. “It’s one of those enigmatic pieces. Scholars have argued exactly what it means for as long as we’ve been thinking of boats in this scholarly way,” he said. (more at link) View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Rossi:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/mar/17/nile-shipwreck-herodotus-archaeologists-thonis-heraclion View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Rossi:
Nile shipwreck discovery proves Herodotus right – after 2,469 years
Greek historian’s description of ‘baris’ vessel vindicated by archaeologists at sunken city of Thonis-Heraclion In the fifth century BC, the Greek historian Herodotus visited Egypt and wrote of unusual river boats on the Nile. Twenty-three lines of his Historia, the ancient world’s first great narrative history, are devoted to the intricate description of the construction of a “baris”. For centuries, scholars have argued over his account because there was no archaeological evidence that such ships ever existed. Now there is. A “fabulously preserved” wreck in the waters around the sunken port city of Thonis-Heracleion has revealed just how accurate the historian was. ... Robinson said that previous scholars had “made some mistakes” in struggling to interpret the text without archaeological evidence. “It’s one of those enigmatic pieces. Scholars have argued exactly what it means for as long as we’ve been thinking of boats in this scholarly way,” he said. (more at link) |
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