User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 7/13/2019 10:37:08 AM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass: Yeah it is. Some more vids from Egypt and Bolivia.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1v8RzP3FJc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvICmDNZmhs
Lots of saw marks that may interest you headstoner.. The last few minutes especially. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gVQgOMeagc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--RYadSoR1w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ntxqRnZnGo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egsEEjQbDrE
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/14/2019 3:14:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: waterglass]
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
That first video is pretty crazy when he starts his b.s. about the drill holes. You need a drill press, more sophisticated than modern core bits hahaha Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By waterglass: Yeah it is. Some more vids from Egypt and Bolivia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1v8RzP3FJc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvICmDNZmhs
Lots of saw marks that may interest you headstoner.. The last few minutes especially. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gVQgOMeagc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--RYadSoR1w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ntxqRnZnGo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egsEEjQbDrEThere is also the fact the cutting surfaces of their tube drills are thinner than their current counterparts. 
This is one of the things that makes me think they had steam engines. Skip to 40 minutes or so. The striations are a spiral, meaning the material removed by each revolution is measurable.  Advanced Engineering in Ancient Egypt with Chris Dunn |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/14/2019 8:05:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: headstoner]
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass: He is quoting Chris Dunn and his study of the cores from that cutting method. The most fascinating feature of the granite core Petrie describes is the spiral groove around the core indicating a feed rate of 0.100 inch per revolution of the drill. It was 500 times greater than modern diamond drills, but the rotation of the drill would not have been as fast as the modern drill's 900 revolutions per minute. There is also the fact the cutting surfaces of their tube drills are thinner than their current counterparts. https://hiddenincatours.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/8-kar-5.jpg This is one of the things that makes me think they had steam engines. Skip to 40 minutes or so. The striations are a spiral, meaning the material removed by each revolution is measurable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO1cEfk9FtkString on a nail, log on a spindle???? The spirals were more likely created by a singular point running around in a circle (which would absolutely cut faster with less effort leaving spirals) rather than a spiraled core bit, I dont see how that would be possible or reliable. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/14/2019 8:38:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: RIO-lover]
[#4]
I wonder if wind power might have been used in some of the ancient stone work / machining processes.
Some Egyptian columns look to have been "turned" like on a lathe and of course the "core drill" holes are yet not explained. And perhaps wind driven "grinders" were used to polish flat surfaces.  See the 1,000-Year-Old Windmills Still in Use Today | National Geographic |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/14/2019 9:20:53 AM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RIO-lover:
I wonder if wind power might have been used in some of the ancient stone work / machining processes. Some Egyptian columns look to have been "turned" like on a lathe and of course the "core drill" holes are yet not explained. And perhaps wind driven "grinders" were used to polish flat surfaces. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qqifEdqf5gOne interesting part for me would be getting to extreme depths rather than the act of doing it, the devise used would have to be quite strong to handle the torque and pressure needed to cut and form a spiraled core. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/14/2019 9:29:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: waterglass]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Entirely possible I would think. Water, wind, man, animal.... One interesting part for me would be getting to extreme depths rather than the act of doing it, the devise used would have to be quite strong to handle the torque and pressure needed to cut and form a spiraled core. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By RIO-lover:
I wonder if wind power might have been used in some of the ancient stone work / machining processes. Some Egyptian columns look to have been "turned" like on a lathe and of course the "core drill" holes are yet not explained. And perhaps wind driven "grinders" were used to polish flat surfaces. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qqifEdqf5gOne interesting part for me would be getting to extreme depths rather than the act of doing it, the devise used would have to be quite strong to handle the torque and pressure needed to cut and form a spiraled core.  Obvious Evidence Of Ancient Advanced Machining Technology In The Cairo Museum |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/14/2019 9:59:01 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
I disagree with some of that I have some core bits that have very thin walls, the thicker walls commonly found is for safety while drilling at high speeds. String on a nail, log on a spindle???? The spirals were more likely created by a singular point running around in a circle (which would absolutely cut faster with less effort leaving spirals) rather than a spiraled core bit, I dont see how that would be possible or reliable. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By waterglass: He is quoting Chris Dunn and his study of the cores from that cutting method. The most fascinating feature of the granite core Petrie describes is the spiral groove around the core indicating a feed rate of 0.100 inch per revolution of the drill. It was 500 times greater than modern diamond drills, but the rotation of the drill would not have been as fast as the modern drill's 900 revolutions per minute. There is also the fact the cutting surfaces of their tube drills are thinner than their current counterparts. https://hiddenincatours.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/8-kar-5.jpg This is one of the things that makes me think they had steam engines. Skip to 40 minutes or so. The striations are a spiral, meaning the material removed by each revolution is measurable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO1cEfk9FtkString on a nail, log on a spindle???? The spirals were more likely created by a singular point running around in a circle (which would absolutely cut faster with less effort leaving spirals) rather than a spiraled core bit, I dont see how that would be possible or reliable. |
|
|
|
USA
|
Posted: 7/14/2019 8:05:57 PM EST
[#8]
 Stone Age - Bronze Age - Iron Age? |
|
|
USA
|
Posted: 7/14/2019 10:06:21 PM EST
[#9]
I am leaning towards there being an understanding of utilizing resonance that we don’t have.
 Acoustic Standing Waves and the Levitation of Small Objects |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/14/2019 11:06:46 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
Did you watch the last of this video? What do you make of his interpretation of the striations suggesting two high speed circular saws? note the material uncut in the middle where the cutting tools didn't cut to full radius due to the break that seem to show two disc blades at work. It is not completely obvious in the video, but it is the best one on the net that I can find. Starts about 12:40. I mean at 13:56 whatever cut that had to be a disk. You can see it clear as day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gVQgOMeagcI would not be surprised if they used a disc of some sort, but a singular point on a string or pendulum of some sort would give the same appearance of a cicular pattern as would some hand cutting with a scratching tool of some kind. It seems obvious It was not made from a straight saw blade or cable. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/15/2019 7:25:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: a555]
[#11]
Just thinking about the tool marks with the tube drills. Perhaps it could’ve been with rope.
Ever see the marks made in the plastic bushings at the top of a boat lift if the cable eats into it? Imagine a tapered roller bearing. On the outside of it, you have a race with thin rope spiraled around it. At the very tip, the rope does one final pass before returning up and out of the hole through whatever is feeding in, removing waste material, cutting fluid, and returning with new abrasive medium — likely wrapped around a pulley somewhere. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/15/2019 7:26:37 AM EST
[#12]
Whoa. Wtf. I’m team member now? How the hell?
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/15/2019 9:01:30 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By a555:
Whoa. Wtf. I’m team member now? How the hell?  Aliens. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/15/2019 11:09:17 AM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Aliens. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/18/2019 5:16:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: waterglass]
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
It's possible for sure, but I would question there being two. When I cut by hand using a grinder or circular saw I often back my blade out and start again giving that same look of separate marks especially when using a large blade (they will vibrate, bend and go off course and create many saw marks). I would not be surprised if they used a disc of some sort, but a singular point on a string or pendulum of some sort would give the same appearance of a cicular pattern as would some hand cutting with a scratching tool of some kind. It seems obvious It was not made from a straight saw blade or cable. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By waterglass:
Did you watch the last of this video? What do you make of his interpretation of the striations suggesting two high speed circular saws? note the material uncut in the middle where the cutting tools didn't cut to full radius due to the break that seem to show two disc blades at work. It is not completely obvious in the video, but it is the best one on the net that I can find. Starts about 12:40. I mean at 13:56 whatever cut that had to be a disk. You can see it clear as day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gVQgOMeagcI would not be surprised if they used a disc of some sort, but a singular point on a string or pendulum of some sort would give the same appearance of a cicular pattern as would some hand cutting with a scratching tool of some kind. It seems obvious It was not made from a straight saw blade or cable. You are right it could have been one blade, or whatever. What blows my mind is that they cut the inside of the box before the lid. Seems like they did the hardest job first. The jugs in the videos insides are contoured to their outsides like pottery, and there are examples made of vein quartz. There is mystery there. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/18/2019 5:17:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: waterglass]
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Aliens. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By a555:
Whoa. Wtf. I’m team member now? How the hell? Aliens.  
Some video from Jordan and Peru.  Ancient Machining And Cataclysm Evidence In Jordan: Little Petra  Enigmatic Ancient Sites And Mysterious Humanoid Remains South Of Cusco Peru |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/18/2019 6:34:52 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
The depth and uniformity of the striations and straightness of the cut suggests what ever did the cutting was mounted on a fixture. You are right it could have been one blade, or whatever. What blows my mind is that they cut the inside of the box before the lid. Seems like they did the hardest job first. The jugs in the videos insides are contoured to their outsides like pottery, and there are examples made of vein quartz. There is mystery there. Do we know they cut the box before the lid or is that just theory? It sounds ludicrous to me, I would cut a slab off the top, hollow out the box (if I didnt want any seams in the box), then "router" the edges of the slab for a cover and it would for back on perfectly. The pottery is feasible with a little ingenuity, the quartz is also but I don't bother messing with that hard shit, it is very slow to work. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/18/2019 7:18:07 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
I agree that was surely not a freehand willy nilly job, they must have had some sort of fixture to keep things true. Do we know they cut the box before the lid or is that just theory? It sounds ludicrous to me, I would cut a slab off the top, hollow out the box (if I didnt want any seams in the box), then "router" the edges of the slab for a cover and it would for back on perfectly. The pottery is feasible with a little ingenuity, the quartz is also but I don't bother messing with that hard shit, it is very slow to work. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By waterglass:
The depth and uniformity of the striations and straightness of the cut suggests what ever did the cutting was mounted on a fixture. You are right it could have been one blade, or whatever. What blows my mind is that they cut the inside of the box before the lid. Seems like they did the hardest job first. The jugs in the videos insides are contoured to their outsides like pottery, and there are examples made of vein quartz. There is mystery there. Do we know they cut the box before the lid or is that just theory? It sounds ludicrous to me, I would cut a slab off the top, hollow out the box (if I didnt want any seams in the box), then "router" the edges of the slab for a cover and it would for back on perfectly. The pottery is feasible with a little ingenuity, the quartz is also but I don't bother messing with that hard shit, it is very slow to work. That actually seems to be how all of them were done, the lid was cut from the bottom of the box. There are boxes made of diorite too. They say the jugs outside contours were done on lathes. The inside is where it gets tricky. the mouths are smaller than the shoulder of the jugs and the inside matches the outside. I mean a lathe with a fixture could do it, but the cutting blade would need to be diamond. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/18/2019 7:32:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: headstoner]
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass: Not for a certainty, but They must have, the box seems to have been abandoned when the lid broke. this box is in the rough, the reason we can see the saw marks is because it was abandoned before polishing. The finished product would be trued flat on all surfaces and polished to a mirror shine. That actually seems to be how all of them were done, the lid was cut from the bottom of the box. There are boxes made of diorite too. They say the jugs outside contours were done on lathes. The inside is where it gets tricky. the mouths are smaller than the shoulder of the jugs and the inside matches the outside. I mean a lathe with a fixture could do it, but the cutting blade would need to be diamond. I would guess diamonds were used, they must be abundant all over that area. Centrifugal force may have been used on the inside of the vases, the faster you spin the more force exerted outwards for the larger parts, slow down for the mouth and smaller parts...thats just another wild guess though |
|
|
|
TX, USA
|
Posted: 7/18/2019 1:39:38 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
Some video from Jordan and Peru. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ai3dTTGvkc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euJMM2dFksQReally makes you wonder how many “Ages of Man” there have been, and how long they were. The next fun part is the possibility of artifacts that tell the story, which we may not ever hear about—if they even exist. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/24/2019 1:43:48 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner: That supports my theory, they slabbed off part of the block to use as a lid that perfectly matches the top of the box...if that breaks the entire thing may be scrapped because its just as easy to start over if their technique was perfected...and it appears as though it was pretty damn good I would guess diamonds were used, they must be abundant all over that area. Centrifugal force may have been used on the inside of the vases, the faster you spin the more force exerted outwards for the larger parts, slow down for the mouth and smaller parts...thats just another wild guess though |
|
|
|
CO, USA
|
Posted: 7/24/2019 2:13:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: j_hooker]
[#22]
Great thread folks. I’m just in awe of the stonework and just scratch my head as to how it was done with such precision with bronze and stone tools. It does seem rather improbable on the hard stone.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/24/2019 2:58:49 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
Some video from Jordan and Peru. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ai3dTTGvkc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euJMM2dFksQQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
Originally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By a555:
Whoa. Wtf. I’m team member now? How the hell? Aliens.
Some video from Jordan and Peru. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ai3dTTGvkc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euJMM2dFksQ |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/24/2019 3:47:15 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rtintwo:
Earlier this morning I watched a video of a Pacific Islander use a chain saw and a chisel carve a spiral bar stool. This isn't rocket science this is craftsmanship. All it takes is a lifetime of learning and practice and anyone can carve rock and shoes are optional. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/24/2019 3:56:45 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpn_Ron:
Obviously the Petra site is the leftovers of a much more massive site than what is left. As he walked through the site it looked exactly like much of it had been melted or vaporized away with only small parts of it remaining, as if they are walking through the basement or bottom floors of whatever used to be there. And these were “ruins” thousands of years ago. Really makes you wonder how many “Ages of Man” there have been, and how long they were. The next fun part is the possibility of artifacts that tell the story, which we may not ever hear about—if they even exist. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpn_Ron:
Originally Posted By waterglass:
Some video from Jordan and Peru. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ai3dTTGvkc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euJMM2dFksQReally makes you wonder how many “Ages of Man” there have been, and how long they were. The next fun part is the possibility of artifacts that tell the story, which we may not ever hear about—if they even exist.  Thousand Ton "Singing Statues" Found In Egypt?  The Four Languages of the Great Pyramid: The Writing on the Casing Stones | Ancient Architects  Ancient ‘New York’ Neolithic & Bronze Age Megalopolis Discovered in Israel | Ancient Architects |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/24/2019 6:50:05 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass: They were some ingenious bastards. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/30/2019 3:49:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: waterglass]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
I agree. It's funny that through most of life I was taught people from ancient civilisations were rock clacking dummies that couldnt make a decent pair of clothes let alone have intimate scientific knowledge of some pretty advanced subjects. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By waterglass:
Yup They were some ingenious bastards.  Norba | Megalithic Polygonal Construction in Ancient Italy | Megalithomania  Cyclopean & Polygonal Walls of Ancient Ferentino, Italy | Megalithomania Neat video on dinosaurs  Jack Horner: Shape-shifting dinosaurs |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/30/2019 4:05:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: LemuelGulliver]
[#28]
Aliens.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/1/2019 12:53:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: waterglass]
[#29]
Neat video that might interest some. @6GUNZ
 Failed To Load Title  Ralph Ellis - King Solomon , Hiram Abiff & Cleopatra to Christ - Red Ice |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/2/2019 3:53:36 AM EST
[#30]
 The Mysterious Stone Spheres of Costa Rica | Ancient Architects  The Sphinx: Whose Face is it Anyway? | Part 1 | Ancient Architects |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/6/2019 5:13:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: waterglass]
[#31]
 In the MIDDLE of Nowhere...Lost Ancient Civilizations & The Sumerians  Irving Finkel | The Ark Before Noah: A Great Adventure |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/6/2019 8:21:26 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu7SycvxS2Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_fkpZSnz2IThanks for sharing! cycles... |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/7/2019 5:21:57 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Must Watch, at least the first one for sure. Thanks for sharing! cycles...  Failed To Load Title  Failed To Load Title |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/7/2019 7:41:50 AM EST
[#34]
These two are interesting. In the first, archaeologists just found out that Egyptians also made cheese.
A substance found by archaeologists working in an Ancient Egyptian tomb has proved to be one of the oldest cheeses ever discovered. Several years ago, the team discovered broken jars in the tomb of Ptahmes, a high-ranking Egyptian official. The archaeologists found a "solidified whitish mass" in one of the jars which they suspected was food but were unsure which kind. Now a study has identified it as cheese, dating from 3,200 years ago. The discovery is significant as there has been no previous evidence of Ancient Egyptian cheese production, authors of the report, published in the journal Analytical Chemistry, said (more at link) The yeast microbes had been asleep for more than 5,000 years, buried deep in the pores of Egyptian ceramics, by the time Seamus Blackley came along and used them to bake a loaf of bread. An amateur Egyptologist and one of the inventors of the Xbox game console, he's also a keen hobby baker who routinely posts pictures of his breadmaking projects on social media. He has, he admits, made his fair share of "horrible, rock-like loaves". But this experiment was in a different league altogether. The first step was to extract the yeast without destroying the vessels where it was held. With the help of archaeologist Dr Serena Love, Mr Blackley gained access to the collections of Egyptian beer- and bread-making vessels held in two museums in the US city of Boston. (more at link) |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/8/2019 8:22:14 PM EST
[#35]
Archaeologists discover almost 40 new monuments close to Newgrange
A team from University College Dublin have unearth almost 40 previously unknown monuments close to Newgrange, including a "spectacular" monument that aligns with the Winter Solstice sunrise. The findings likely range from the Neolithic period (4000 BC), through the Bronze Age (2500 BC), and the early Middle Ages. The monument aligned with the Winter Solstice sunrise is believed to be around 200—300 years newer than the Stone Age passage tomb at Newgrange, dated around 3200 BC, and was discovered in a field just metres from the famous site. Dr. Steve Davis and a team from the UCD School of Archaeology used a large-scale geophysical imaging system to reveal the new monuments as a part of a joint project with the Romano-Germanic Commission. "These methods have in the last few years changed our understanding of the Brú na Bóinne landscape beyond all recognition," Dr. Davis said. Their survey made use of satellite-based remote sensing, drones, airborne laser scanning and geophysics to survey Brú na Bóinne, an area in County Meath that contains some of the world's most important prehistoric landscapes. These include the large Megalithic passage graves of Knowth, Newgrange and Dowth, as well as around 90 other monuments from the Neolithic period. (More at link...) |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/9/2019 8:32:13 AM EST
[#36]
Had an amazing trip to Peru in July, and spent one morning touring Machu Picchu. It's a pretty incredible spectacle for sure, and took hours to see it all.
Our guide explained that they believe the differences in the quality of construction in different parts of the structure had to do with that particular part's importance, i.e., the temples were clearly built by skilled craftsmen, while the retaining walls for the terraces were just thrown up with whatever they had lying around. I got the impression that much of what they 'know' about the site is conjecture. There are some obvious 'truths' in some of the rocks carved to show north, south, etc... but there's plenty of other things where they say 'we think this was an observatory', but they are clear about not knowing for certain. The main thing I came away with is that whoever built it and lived there was not afraid of heights. There are some spots there and in the surrounding countryside where I was desperately wishing for a guard rail or fence or something. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/9/2019 9:33:24 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fyeguy:
Had an amazing trip to Peru in July, and spent one morning touring Machu Picchu. It's a pretty incredible spectacle for sure, and took hours to see it all. Our guide explained that they believe the differences in the quality of construction in different parts of the structure had to do with that particular part's importance, i.e., the temples were clearly built by skilled craftsmen, while the retaining walls for the terraces were just thrown up with whatever they had lying around. I got the impression that much of what they 'know' about the site is conjecture. There are some obvious 'truths' in some of the rocks carved to show north, south, etc... but there's plenty of other things where they say 'we think this was an observatory', but they are clear about not knowing for certain. The main thing I came away with is that whoever built it and lived there was not afraid of heights. There are some spots there and in the surrounding countryside where I was desperately wishing for a guard rail or fence or something. What was your impressions of the better stone cutting? How did the locals treat you? How was the food? |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/10/2019 4:22:48 AM EST
[#38]
 6,000-Year-Old Treasure That Was Found in a Dead Sea Cave | Ancient Architects  Failed To Load Title This is worth the hour  The Story of the Enigmatic and Mysterious Tube Drills of Ancient Egypt - UnchartedX full documentary |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/10/2019 4:44:01 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fyeguy:
.... I got the impression that much of what they 'know' about the site is conjecture. There are some obvious 'truths' in some of the rocks carved to show north, south, etc... but there's plenty of other things where they say 'we think this was an observatory', but they are clear about not knowing for certain. . |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/10/2019 2:53:45 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spartacus2002: that's what nearly all of archaeology is. Some of it may be more informed conjecture than others, but it's still nearly all conjecture. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/10/2019 3:14:21 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Oldgold:
The more we learn, the more we scratch our heads. Evidently they were not all hunters and gatherers. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Oldgold:
Originally Posted By spartacus2002: that's what nearly all of archaeology is. Some of it may be more informed conjecture than others, but it's still nearly all conjecture. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/10/2019 3:29:59 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass:
I'm a bit baffled how we went from being Cavemen and Hunter Gatherers to Nomadic Hunters then suddenly humans are sailors with agriculture while building Cities like Rome and Cairo. In the official story taught in schools, they sort of glaze over the entire "communications" thing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By Oldgold:
Originally Posted By spartacus2002: that's what nearly all of archaeology is. Some of it may be more informed conjecture than others, but it's still nearly all conjecture. Cannot find that video. I'll post it here when I find it. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/10/2019 7:04:51 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi: I remember watching a video a while back where dentists and paleontologists pointed out some "steep" changed in the human dental and jaws evolution and they seemed to indicate genetics engineering. Cannot find that video. I'll post it here when I find it. Was it the crossbreeding with Neanderthals? Sexual selection (cave girls with the smaller jaws were cuter and more likely to get bred well and often)? Change in diet from tough wild plants and raw meat to softer cooked meat and cultivated vegetables making a large, strong jaw less of a survival trait to be passed down? Maybe a combination of all three. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/11/2019 5:39:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: waterglass]
[#44]
 Vitrification of stones in antiquity  The case for re-writing history! New evidence, an introduction to UnchartedX  Dating the Ice Age Floods |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/11/2019 11:33:42 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SkmQmX-J48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w7gzIQAHf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wKOVZKimwg |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/12/2019 3:33:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: RIO-lover]
[#46]
More amazing ancient stonework found all around the world.
At 11:45 is the amazing "bath tub"  Unexplained Impossible Ancient OOPArts |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/12/2019 4:05:23 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SkmQmX-J48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w7gzIQAHf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wKOVZKimwgHe pretty much explains a lot of my questions perfectly. Well worth a watch for the "missing gaps" and compressed histories with a lot glazed over and a whole ton of details where detail exists at all (Rome - Tons of info, Egypt, lots of into, in between - not really any info). |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/13/2019 5:45:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: waterglass]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass:
I just realized I missed that second one. He pretty much explains a lot of my questions perfectly. Well worth a watch for the "missing gaps" and compressed histories with a lot glazed over and a whole ton of details where detail exists at all (Rome - Tons of info, Egypt, lots of into, in between - not really any info). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By waterglass:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SkmQmX-J48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w7gzIQAHf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wKOVZKimwgHe pretty much explains a lot of my questions perfectly. Well worth a watch for the "missing gaps" and compressed histories with a lot glazed over and a whole ton of details where detail exists at all (Rome - Tons of info, Egypt, lots of into, in between - not really any info). neat story I found on Drudge Pompeii archaeologists uncover 'sorcerer's treasure trove' https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49325627 long skulls, check out the skull around 9 mnutes, way fewer tooth sockets than normal.  Elongated Skulls Of The Paracas Museum In Peru  El Mirador, Guatemala: The Ancient Lost City of the Maya | Ancient Architects  Ancient Engineering: Talking Quarrying, Columns, the Bent Pyramid with Yousef and Mohammed |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/14/2019 1:07:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: brass]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
The video a555 posted a bit back about rate of decay for metal is interesting too. Not to mention scavenging. people looted most of the metal used in the dark ages up through to 15th century from roman ruins. Especially lead, brass, nickel, silver and gold. they also looted and burned the marble and limestone quarried by the older civilizations to make lime for mortar and whatnot. neat story I found on Drudge Pompeii archaeologists uncover 'sorcerer's treasure trove' https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49325627 long skulls, check out the skull around 9 mnutes, way fewer tooth sockets than normal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeLiK7zKKmw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV0IA5Qe1o4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMF81GcDOjgQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
Originally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By waterglass:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SkmQmX-J48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w7gzIQAHf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wKOVZKimwgHe pretty much explains a lot of my questions perfectly. Well worth a watch for the "missing gaps" and compressed histories with a lot glazed over and a whole ton of details where detail exists at all (Rome - Tons of info, Egypt, lots of into, in between - not really any info). neat story I found on Drudge Pompeii archaeologists uncover 'sorcerer's treasure trove' https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49325627 long skulls, check out the skull around 9 mnutes, way fewer tooth sockets than normal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeLiK7zKKmw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV0IA5Qe1o4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMF81GcDOjgPillars and monuments since "Middle Dynasty" Egypt are made of smaller blocks stuck together from Middle Age Egypt to Rome and even today. They were moving 1200 ton pillars from quarry to display area in the "Old Dynasty" (or old age, first kingdom). That's a lot more mass than our mind experiment earlier in the thread about moving just a pyramid blocks around. I still think we (humans) did it, but also think there are a lot of puzzle pieces missing, and that was the other point made in that third video I liked. Archeologists go in with an answer and look for proof of it. When they can't find supporting evidence, they gloss it over with "It's not that way because < some tangential reasoning here >." Such as starting out with "Only had copper chisels" in the Old Age, even though the largest granite carvings have now been found to have been from that age where it was impossible. Instead of rethinking timeline of materials, the object is reassigned to a new timeline. Paraphrasing here, but it was to the effect of "Making a full story of history when they know they don't have all the pieces needed". |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 8/14/2019 10:39:02 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
Did you get to see any other sites? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
Did you get to see any other sites?  Attached File Attached File Attached FileWhat was your impressions of the better stone cutting? How did the locals treat you? How was the food? It's also very inexpensive... we had a party of six, and several times we would go to lunch or dinner, get apps, entrees, drinks, and dessert... and I don't think we ever paid more than $100 total for the group. And again, so so good. Our tour was run by Mountain Lodges of Peru, and if you'd like to have a nice trek, but would also like to stay in nice places each night, definitely check them out. This was a pricey tour to be sure, but truly a once in a lifetime experience.  Attached File Attached File |
|
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
