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Posted: 9/1/2020 11:38:28 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Night and day. i will assume this refers to a weapon mount light then? saying only combat effective 50% of the time is more then a little silly. even on the two equinoxes, you still have dawn and dusk, which both eat into that '50%' number. there are very few instances where i have wanted a light to be actually on my weapon, and those few instances were exclusively to blind the people right in front of me, not actually to see myself. in an in home, on your own property type situation i could see it. out in the world on the street, its just weight and a beacon. for me, the only reason i would want a light is with a strobe function, and even then its use case is a lot smaller then i would be willing to spend the weight on. to each their own, but, 'shoot at the light' is a real thing on an open street. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 11:43:31 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: AR pistol or SBR is the only way after watching that. Lol he had a 20” |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 11:44:29 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol he had a 20” Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: AR pistol or SBR is the only way after watching that. Lol he had a 20” Incorrect. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 11:50:10 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine have been K.I.S.S. for a while. My HD gun is a plain old M4gery with a light and an “improvised minimalist sling”. Detachable carry handle and no red dot. I’m considering slapping an old Aimpoint M2 on it, but unlike Kyle’s rifle, BUIS is a necessity, and I’d use a cut down carry handle on this one. My garage gun is a plain XM177 with the improvised sling. lol, without reviewing the footage I am guessing all shots were fired pretty much ignoring the sights. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 11:56:19 AM EDT
[#5]
My "go to" is simple, cheap and basic. Regular handguards, small red dot, simple sling and a small light mounted to the front sight.
I'm not changing it. I've had it since '95, seems to have proven itself. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 12:01:08 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol, without reviewing the footage I am guessing all shots were fired pretty much ignoring the sights. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Mine have been K.I.S.S. for a while. My HD gun is a plain old M4gery with a light and an “improvised minimalist sling”. Detachable carry handle and no red dot. I’m considering slapping an old Aimpoint M2 on it, but unlike Kyle’s rifle, BUIS is a necessity, and I’d use a cut down carry handle on this one. My garage gun is a plain XM177 with the improvised sling. lol, without reviewing the footage I am guessing all shots were fired pretty much ignoring the sights. They were, that's why I removed all sighting systems from my carbine to cut weight. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 12:03:21 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Speaking of light, I'm actually eyeballing my M1 Carbines again. I have two: a 1943 Underwood and a 1944 Rock Ola. Like 99% of M1 Carbines they are post-War rebuilds and I replaced the recoil springs with Wolffs. I have plenty of USGI and Korean 15 rounders along with some Korean 30s. Both of them are reliable with not just ball but with Remington 110 grain JSP. I have a couple thousand rounds of ball and a few hundred JSPs. The Underwood wears an Ultimak handguard with a Bushnell TRS-25 on it. I'm going to replace that with a Primary Arms micro RDS with a much longer battery life, and will also add a Rogers Rail Light. Oh yeah, I also have a bayonet on the way along with 10 more Korean 15 round mags. If I need something more discreet I have a CZ Scorpion Micro with a RDS and a light, that fits nicely in a laptop backpack along with several magazines loaded with 124 grain Gold Dots, basic cleaning kit, and an IFAK. Other than being expensive collectibles I have no issue with a M1 carbine. Handy as alll get out! Takes a bayonet. I have two M4 bayonets. A light would certainly help. Mine are Italian returns via CMP. They run perfectly and are accurate to the two hundred yards I shot them at. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 12:07:39 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Small Light Sling Small Optic Anything else is bling. Been there, been doing that for a long time. No Swiss army knife on my rifle. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 12:20:03 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Also if in highly democrat areas I wouldn't wear anything political or gun related on shirts or other clothing. All that does is paint a target on you. Blend in. This. I have a beater Corolla I use for my long, daily commute that goes through some mildly urban areas. It has a happy little surf sticker on it so I can tell it apart in a parking lot from the hundreds of other Corollas that look just like it. I also bought a red bandana the last time I was in Hobby Lobby and I keep it in my car. If I’m ever dumb enough to accidentally end up driving near or get somehow stopped by a hostile mob, I’ll put on the bandana and ask where the closest place to park is. Probably won’t work, but hopefully I can spout Marxist propaganda until I find an exit. Oh, and to comment on the OP, different rifles for different purposes. 8.3” 300 BLK pistol for a trunk gun/urban area. 6.5 pound Beretta ARX as sort of a 0-300 yard gun, and a CHF lightweight PSA 16” with an LVPO if I need a bit more range without sacrificing too much on the close range. All with lights and slings. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 12:23:23 PM EDT
[#10]
Never really considered a non-IR laser on a rifle but is it something to consider to aid in firing from weird positions like he had to?
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Posted: 9/1/2020 12:47:43 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never really considered a non-IR laser on a rifle but is it something to consider to aid in firing from weird positions like he had to? The visible laser is like chasing a dot and I struggle to figure out how its effective in most situations but I'm sure there are scenarios where it helps. IR lasers are helpful if you do passive shooting and can't line up on your red dot due to Nod's and such, but why 2" risers are a thing now too. Like anything else, train like you fight and get good at whatever you use. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 12:50:21 PM EDT
[#12]
We should consider this...
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Posted: 9/1/2020 12:51:29 PM EDT
[#13]
Not reconsidering shit.
"Real" red dot "Real" weapon light 2 point sling on all my "real" rifles/carbines/pistols/SBRs/etc. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 12:51:39 PM EDT
[#14]
All that is well and good but I won't be defending anyone's gas station.
If I'm out on the street with my rifle, a civil war will have popped off and I'll be looking to gtfo town, not engage rioters. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 12:54:28 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted: After watching what happened in Kenosha who else is thinking of going to a light basic rifle? Or do you think you could engage targets just as quickly with your eleven pound AR with all the doodads? Get both. Have at least one AR pistol/ SBR with a red dot, and one 16" with an LPVO. Both should have slings and lights. Add more configurations or redundancy as funds allow. And suppress all the things as funds allow. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 12:56:21 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am changing over from a 16" with a 1-6 LVPO and light on it, to a 12.5 with an EOTech or similar on it. Good call. I can't imagine going through the Kyle gauntlet while trying to maintain an eyebox. I think this episode really takes the wind out of the "One Optic to Rule them All" LPVO crowd. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 12:56:48 PM EDT
[#17]
Eh, sold my carbine a month or more ago.
20"rifle & 11.5" pistol for CQB. Simplified things and moved to red dots on both and put 2 point slings on both, 20" has old school sling, 11.5 has magpul MDS. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 1:01:39 PM EDT
[#18]
If anything it made me re-think my cardio and footwear more than my rifles.
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Posted: 9/1/2020 1:15:16 PM EDT
[#19]
Upon a little further thought...
I think the best all around setup for a Kyle-type situation is: Pistol (It plays by the same rules as a hand gun in your car and on your person) REAL red dot (Aimpoint Pro, T1, T2, MRO, etc.) REAL weapon light (Surefure, Modlight, Inforce, StreamLight, etc.) 2 point sling (VTAC, BFG, Vickers, LaRue, Magpul, Optional: Suppressor (Normal ear pro = loss of situational awareness, reduced comms, etc.). Plus (if using electronic ear pro), are you really going to be donning your Comtac IIIs while guarding the used car lot. I hereby swap out my 10.3 and 10.5" "Kyle" SBRs to my 7.5" 300 Blackout pistol. Guess I better put an Aimpoint on it....  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 1:17:06 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good call. I can't imagine going through the Kyle gauntlet while trying to maintain an eyebox. I think this episode really takes the wind out of the "One Optic to Rule them All" LPVO crowd. I'm not sure it really makes an argument either way aside from weight and toughness of the optic. My takeaway was to try practicing point shooting without using any sights to be able to deal with "you just fell over and zombies comin' up the hell right now" situations. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 1:27:03 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryTwo thumbs up |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 1:30:12 PM EDT
[#22]
I'm keeping mine the same
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Posted: 9/1/2020 1:40:19 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not reconsidering shit. "Real" red dot "Real" weapon light 2 point sling on all my "real" rifles/carbines/pistols/SBRs/etc. Subscribed |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 1:40:29 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All that is well and good but I won't be defending anyone's gas station. If I'm out on the street with my rifle, a civil war will have popped off and I'll be looking to gtfo town, not engage rioters. This. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 1:44:37 PM EDT
[#25]
16" pencil barrel, ALG handguard, Red dot and magnifier, sling, white light.
Light, accurate, and still able to reach out and touch something if needed. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 1:54:53 PM EDT
[#26]
All of my general purpose carbines are already pretty configured to my personal prefs.
- 10.5”/14.5”/14.7”/16” barrel - RAS - 2 pt adjustable sling - Mini scout light and IWC Thorntail - Aimpoint Comp M/PRO/ACO type optic The absolute best part for me is that all the guns from the FSB back feel exactly the same regardless of the barrel length. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 1:55:21 PM EDT
[#27]
FPNI
10.5” Light MRO Two point sling BUIS Been my setup for a few years now. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 2:08:05 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryLearn nothing from the french in WWII? Holes in magazines are not a good idea. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 2:10:49 PM EDT
[#29]
I wonder what a 458 SOCOM out of a 10.5 barrel would have done to that guys arm?
Not sure how an SBR would be for the legal issues with that case. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 2:15:13 PM EDT
[#30]
A helmet would be a good idea too. Even just non ballistic to protect your head from flying bricks/rocks/fists.
 level 3A vest for the panifa pussies that show up strapped. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 2:33:18 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All of my go to ARs have a light, sling, and red dot. I’m carrying a 10.5” .300BO in the vehicle right now. With lancer 20s and a Holosun it’s a lightweight, affordable, effective package. Mon-ica — has a small light on it now  |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 2:36:03 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: i will assume this refers to a weapon mount light then? saying only combat effective 50% of the time is more then a little silly. even on the two equinoxes, you still have dawn and dusk, which both eat into that '50%' number. there are very few instances where i have wanted a light to be actually on my weapon, and those few instances were exclusively to blind the people right in front of me, not actually to see myself. in an in home, on your own property type situation i could see it. out in the world on the street, its just weight and a beacon. for me, the only reason i would want a light is with a strobe function, and even then its use case is a lot smaller then i would be willing to spend the weight on. to each their own, but, 'shoot at the light' is a real thing on an open street. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Night and day. i will assume this refers to a weapon mount light then? saying only combat effective 50% of the time is more then a little silly. even on the two equinoxes, you still have dawn and dusk, which both eat into that '50%' number. there are very few instances where i have wanted a light to be actually on my weapon, and those few instances were exclusively to blind the people right in front of me, not actually to see myself. in an in home, on your own property type situation i could see it. out in the world on the street, its just weight and a beacon. for me, the only reason i would want a light is with a strobe function, and even then its use case is a lot smaller then i would be willing to spend the weight on. to each their own, but, 'shoot at the light' is a real thing on an open street.  |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 2:39:52 PM EDT
[#33]
A bayonet.
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Posted: 9/1/2020 2:52:07 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Find a pallet of bricks. Site in on said pallet from concealment. Figure out the rest. 
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Posted: 9/1/2020 2:56:53 PM EDT
[#35]
Different tools for different jobs but I do think I need another build.
My four Primary ARs : 1. AR-15 pistol, 10.5-inch Heavy Colt Barrel 1:7 with Brace and Flip up Magpul Irons (never put an optic on it) (been this way 2+ years) 2. M4A3 - Bushmaster 14.5/Phantom (non-NFA) 1:7. EoTech, Surefire with tape strip on VFG, KAC FF RAS (been like this about 16-years) 3. 16-inch Midlength TA31F ACOG, DD Lite rail, 1:7 (been like this (unchanged 16-years but ACOG is growing dim) 4. 20-inch AR-15A4 with DCM Style float tube, Colt A2 profile 1:7 with a Vortex Viper 1-4 PST mounted in Larue (Been like this 22 years - scope added 2-yrs ago) What I think I really want now though is one of these ultra lightweight 16-inch MLoc flattops with lightweight irons and small redot, The second is my primary for around home or in the dark the 20-inch I used to use at CMP Matches and she prints fine groups at 300+ yards so it's my "around the block" rifle. I just don't really know that I "need" a lightweight gun as I shoot better with the heavier guns. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 2:59:44 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistorySmart. Blend in with the commies. Antifa will let you slip through the crowd. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 3:01:49 PM EDT
[#37]
My current setup is good for a Roof Top Korean type scenario. I wouldn’t necessarily want to take it into a St. Kyle situation, but I feel like I could manage with it. That being said, I plan on building an AR pistol for the later situation, just don’t have the funds at the moment
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Posted: 9/1/2020 3:09:37 PM EDT
[#38]
No, by the time I need a rifle during all this I would have been activated and my M4/M9 will work just fine.
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Posted: 9/1/2020 3:17:24 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All that is well and good but I won't be defending anyone's gas station. If I'm out on the street with my rifle, a civil war will have popped off and I'll be looking to gtfo town, not engage rioters. This. No kidding. I'll defend my own property if need be but I'll be doing it from inside the house. Fuck going out just to defend something that isn't even mine as a "civilian". That's just asking for trouble to find me in my opinion. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 3:23:39 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No kidding. I'll defend my own property if need be but I'll be doing it from inside the house. Fuck going out just to defend something that isn't even mine as a "civilian". That's just asking for trouble to find me in my opinion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: All that is well and good but I won't be defending anyone's gas station. If I'm out on the street with my rifle, a civil war will have popped off and I'll be looking to gtfo town, not engage rioters. This. No kidding. I'll defend my own property if need be but I'll be doing it from inside the house. Fuck going out just to defend something that isn't even mine as a "civilian". That's just asking for trouble to find me in my opinion. Some good people run towards trouble. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 3:26:27 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: D-60 all the things.  Limited to 10rds  Fuck my Unconstitutional State of Connecticut !!
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Posted: 9/1/2020 3:30:42 PM EDT
[#42]
Added a light to mine, that's all.
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Posted: 9/1/2020 3:38:13 PM EDT
[#43]
My "main man" is a 11.5" with an EOTECH 512, FSP with flip-up rear, a lightweight light, and a basic bitch sling.
That incident just reinforced that having a bunch of shit on your rifle is not going to help in most situations where things haven't gone to absolute pot. He wasn't in a firefight, he was running and trying to not have to plug people, a completely different use case than being kitted up because things have gone pear shaped. It also reinforced my choice of a relatively large eyebox optic, it may or may not have helped him, but sight acquisition needs to be as fast as possible. The big takeaway is that Rule #1 in Zombieland is also Rule #1 in real life. Cardio. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 3:39:16 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We should consider this... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/285/israeli-sniper-with-silenced-1022-517-1572674.jpg You think like me. 
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Posted: 9/1/2020 3:41:29 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good call. I can't imagine going through the Kyle gauntlet while trying to maintain an eyebox. I think this episode really takes the wind out of the "One Optic to Rule them All" LPVO crowd. Was he even able to aim any of those shots? |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 3:41:39 PM EDT
[#46]
Id be comfortable with a 10.5" AR in the city.
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Posted: 9/1/2020 3:41:59 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Small Light Sling Small Optic Anything else is bling. This. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 3:46:58 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All that is well and good but I won't be defending anyone's gas station. If I'm out on the street with my rifle, a civil war will have popped off and I'll be looking to gtfo town, not engage rioters. Yup! My old ass isn't going downtown for a loaf of bread, let alone to be involved in a riot! If the boogaloo shows up in my neighborhood and I have to engage rioters, I won't be as discriminatory as Kyle was. It's a PARTY and EVERYONE in the street gets a gift for coming to my house. |
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Posted: 9/1/2020 3:48:16 PM EDT
[#49]
Not really.
I guess I could ditch the BUIS, but they're already on there so fuck it. 
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Posted: 9/1/2020 3:49:24 PM EDT
[#50]
I have several rifles, all set up differently.
I like 20"rifles and have several and I have two 16" carbines. The one thing they all have in common is they are all very reliable (in fact, none of them have ever jammed). My home defense carbine is very basic. Bushmaster 16" Superlight Carbine (spaghetti barrel) A2 configuration......all iron sights. The only accessories are a Bule Force sling and a Surefire flashlight mounted to the bayonet lug. Rifle weight alone is 7 1/2lbs w/o the accessories. I like 20 round mags. They make the total package very trim and easy to maneuver. The quickest way I have ever learned to engage a target inside of 20 feet is to simply put an iron front sight on target and squeeze the trigger. |
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