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Posted: 6/21/2018 2:21:26 PM EDT
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Conventional?
China. Would be very bad for us for a future conflict. Why? China would get modern military practice and an arms race of 2-5 years would narrow the gap we have with them in weapons tech. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 2:26:09 PM EDT
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China and India go to war, Pakistan invades India and Russia invades China. They destroy themselves and get overran by Muslim hordes. Poland unites Europe under the banner of the Holy Polish Empire they ally with the US and begin the 10th and final crusade for the good of mankind and are lead by God Emperor Mattis. Muslim Hordes are crushed and become a thing only seen in history books. Mankind branches out and we take our crusade into the stars and we conquer everything in our sight. 
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Posted: 6/21/2018 2:26:09 PM EDT
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The roman empire collapsed because they had a sea inside and land borders on the edges of the empire. They were doomed from the start. No |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 2:33:25 PM EDT
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The roman empire collapsed because they had a sea inside and land borders on the edges of the empire. They were doomed from the start. No People also tend to forget that the real source of Roman power as an Empire was Egypt. Italy was only part of the machine that was Rome. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 2:35:48 PM EDT
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Pretty sure that chick is Japanese tho Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 6/21/2018 2:40:45 PM EDT
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The big question is how will China replenish it's oil/gasoline reserves. India "should" be able to blockade oil coming through the Indian Ocean from the middle-east. Will Russia help resupply China with oil through pipelines in Siberia and Kazakhstan? Maybe, maybe not. There are a lot of countries in that region that would like to see China drop a notch or two.
If China cannot quickly dominate India than India may have the advantage. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 2:44:40 PM EDT
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I'm going with China. They appear to put more investment in their military, and it is largely localized so there may be some advantage if the war is prolonged. Neither are that great though, and many parts of China are just as dirty and poor as the poor parts of India. I believe even as far back as a few years ago, half the Chinese population didn't have electricity.
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Posted: 6/21/2018 2:47:56 PM EDT
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Well, China does have all that sweet ass hardware they stole from us.
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Posted: 6/21/2018 2:56:38 PM EDT
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If the Chinese manage to get passed the Himalayas, they'll then have to content with the dysentery. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 2:59:43 PM EDT
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By their movies they really suck at the martial arts. Pretty lazy and sloppy. I'm going with China.
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Posted: 6/21/2018 3:00:56 PM EDT
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Chicoms without a doubt.
Wonder what Vietnam would do? |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 3:02:14 PM EDT
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Rome lasted long enough to qualify as a success, and their fragmentation and collapse was due to internal cultural and demographic decay (a forbidden subject to discuss in geopolitics). People also tend to forget that the real source of Roman power as an Empire was Egypt. Italy was only part of the machine that was Rome. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The roman empire collapsed because they had a sea inside and land borders on the edges of the empire. They were doomed from the start. No People also tend to forget that the real source of Roman power as an Empire was Egypt. Italy was only part of the machine that was Rome. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 3:05:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/21/2018 3:13:31 PM EDT
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Genuinely curious as they've thrown blows before. I personally think India would get wrecked, even on a defensive battle |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 3:15:21 PM EDT
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Which one is more corrupt? |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 3:16:15 PM EDT
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The rest of the world. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 3:16:22 PM EDT
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You might be surprised at how competent India’s Air Force is. That said- Arabs vs Asians...so, yeah, China. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 3:17:11 PM EDT
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the part about the USA is true, but inst most of the chicom pop on its east coast? India has more coast line and from what i understand more of a true blue water navy. honestly it wouldn't stay conventional because not that they are equally matched but i think logistically they both seriously lack the ability to move assets around and keep them reliably supplied. they both have nukes and cover large amounts of territory with like said previously lack of ability to move around mil assets quickly due to the serious lack of basic infrastructure to even maintain convoys of light vehicles. Canned sunshine would be eventually opened its just a question who pulls the tab first. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 3:18:05 PM EDT
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Pakistan would ally with the chicoms.
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Posted: 6/21/2018 3:30:23 PM EDT
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The Vietnamese pushed the ChiComs' shit in when they invaded in 1980. I doubt the Indians are as militarily adept however. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 3:33:58 PM EDT
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The roman empire collapsed because they had a sea inside and land borders on the edges of the empire. They were doomed from the start. The US has oceans on both sides and rivers for transportation internally. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 3:36:57 PM EDT
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Rome lasted long enough to qualify as a success, and their fragmentation and collapse was due to internal cultural and demographic decay (a forbidden subject to discuss in geopolitics). People also tend to forget that the real source of Roman power as an Empire was Egypt. Italy was only part of the machine that was Rome. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The roman empire collapsed because they had a sea inside and land borders on the edges of the empire. They were doomed from the start. No People also tend to forget that the real source of Roman power as an Empire was Egypt. Italy was only part of the machine that was Rome. 
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Posted: 6/21/2018 3:37:59 PM EDT
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China and India fight to a stalemate, then they have a nuclear exchange.
The whole world smells like the microwave in the H1B break room for the next century. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 3:40:47 PM EDT
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China wins if its 1 v 1. But it wouldn’t go down like that. My bet is that initially India gets beat up, but then the rest of the Asian countries join in against China and prop up India. I think the US will keep Pakistan out of the conflict. India could fairly easily limit chinas oil resupplys. However it ends up the world wins.
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Posted: 6/21/2018 3:42:57 PM EDT
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I know we're talking in hypotheticals but but on a functional level I have a hard time finding any reason why the chinese would even bother having a war with india on their shared borders. southwest china is the most sparsely populated, absolutely ass end of china. there's just nothing in it for china.
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Posted: 6/21/2018 3:50:57 PM EDT
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No one's posted Binkov's take on this yet? ETA: posted on page one as a cold link.
 What if China went to war with India? Who'd win? |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 4:14:19 PM EDT
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How would China get its army, supplies, fuel, aircraft to its SW border?
Where would they stage them when they got there? Couldnthey keep people fed? When was the last time China fielded a large force outside its borders? I figure the US makes that shit look easy, but it ain’t. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 4:22:54 PM EDT
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Genuinely curious as they've thrown blows before. I personally think India would get wrecked, even on a defensive battle 
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Posted: 6/21/2018 4:25:30 PM EDT
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India wins, they are peacefull, but would not take an invasion of the historic enemy.
China would invade and the troops would drown in the rivers of thier own blood. The Indian airforce would clear any chinese vermin from the skies. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 4:26:16 PM EDT
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Dibs!
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Posted: 6/21/2018 4:28:17 PM EDT
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India is the ultimate paper tiger.
They do have |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 4:29:52 PM EDT
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How would china feed its endless supply of troops?
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Posted: 6/21/2018 4:30:39 PM EDT
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How would china feed its endless supply of troops? |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 5:04:04 PM EDT
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How would China get its army, supplies, fuel, aircraft to its SW border? Where would they stage them when they got there? Couldnthey keep people fed? When was the last time China fielded a large force outside its borders? I figure the US makes that shit look easy, but it ain’t. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 5:16:38 PM EDT
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German immigrants. Ironic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The roman empire collapsed because they had a sea inside and land borders on the edges of the empire. They were doomed from the start. No People also tend to forget that the real source of Roman power as an Empire was Egypt. Italy was only part of the machine that was Rome. People immigrated to Rome from all over the world in numbers and variety that neutralized Roman social cohesiveness. The Roman welfare state also greatly suppressed productivity and vigor in the Roman population, and over the span of generations altered the composition of the population into complete dysfunction. These are the more troublesome problems that rotted the core of Rome beyond recovery. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 5:18:15 PM EDT
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There are basically three major grand-views of geopolitics: Sea Power as suggested by Alfred Thayer Mahan. The defining work for this theory is The Influence of Sea Power upon History. It holds that ports, control of sea lanes that feed economies, and the ability to efficiently project power over vast regions are major factors in the success and failure of nations. Heartland theory as suggested by Sir Halford John Mackinder. The defining work for this theory is The Geographical Pivot of History. It holds that the configuration of Asia-Europe as a single gigantic landmass with vast resources makes it possible for a world-dominating power to form beyond the reach of Sea Power. The crucial area that a power must control to implement this approach is called the Heartland, and is basically inland Europe and Asia. For this reason it is crucial that a Sea Power prevent the Heartland from falling under the control of a opposing power. Rimland theory as suggested by Nicholas Spykman. The defining work for this theory is The Geography of the Peace. It holds that power is most concentrated in the coastal regions around Eurasia, where the stream of resources flowing out and wealth flowing in converge. For this reason, dominating Rimland allows control of both the Heartland and Sea Power. These are very brief summaries and skip many important details and conclusions. All three theories are worth detailed study. * Most powerful agricultural and industrial heartland, with ideal rainfall and rivers * Multiple coastlines with unfettered access to the major oceans and continents of the world via those coastlines, filled with sea ports * Control of sea lanes with a vast, nuclear-powered Navy, filled with carrier strike groups and the best trained and equipped combat resources on the planet I nation like that wouldn't need to exert typical dictatorial influence over the world to influence the balance of power. They would just award and punish foreign nations with inclusion or exclusion in their trade empire. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 5:21:34 PM EDT
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I thought there was an incursion by the Japanese in to China somewhere in the late 1500 through Korea in which the Japanese were unsuccessful as well. Any thoughts on that one? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let's see China's history of fighting much smaller nations... Chinese war against Korean Goguryeo-Sui War in 610-614? Korean victory, China loss China vs Korea in First Goguryeo-Tang War 645-647 Korean victory, China loss China vs Korea in Second Goguryeo-Tang War 660-668 Korean victory, China loss First Sino-Japanese War, 25 July 1894 – 17 April 1895 Japanese victory, China loss Second Sino-Japanese War (with America allied with Republic of China), July 7, 1937, to September 2, 1945 American-Chinese Victory, Japanese loss I can only find a Japanese invasion of Korea in 1592. Koreans repelled. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 5:27:51 PM EDT
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Putin
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Posted: 6/21/2018 5:35:31 PM EDT
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For all the folks wanting China to invade Russia, China would get the shit kicked out of it. China does not have the national character required to successfully execute an offensive land war outside of its borders.
Russia is in shit shape and has never been all that competent by European standards, but that's by European standards. In a defensive war with China where they can trade land for time, they will chew the PLA up into tiny bits and four hours later they'll be hungry for another division. China couldn't even invade Vietnam, despite Vietnam being broke, unmobilized and improperly deployed to defend from a northern invasion at the time. The Russians would fuck them in a way that would require censorship for indecency. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 5:37:59 PM EDT
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whomever gets the entire populace up he mountain with full bladders first then you just tell everyone to pee at the same time & direction other side drowns
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Posted: 6/21/2018 5:45:50 PM EDT
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whomever gets the entire populace up he mountain with full bladders first then you just tell everyone to pee at the same time & direction other side drowns |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 5:46:19 PM EDT
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No one's posted Binkov's take on this yet? ETA: posted on page one as a cold link.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfZvaEXQ3cE |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 5:49:02 PM EDT
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Define win. China or India will never achieve victory in WWII terms.
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Posted: 6/21/2018 5:50:52 PM EDT
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Let’s find out together...
 Street Fighter II SNES - Chun Li vs. Dhalsim - Hardest Setting |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 5:56:14 PM EDT
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Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'. I can only find a Japanese invasion of Korea in 1592. Koreans repelled. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let's see China's history of fighting much smaller nations... Chinese war against Korean Goguryeo-Sui War in 610-614? Korean victory, China loss China vs Korea in First Goguryeo-Tang War 645-647 Korean victory, China loss China vs Korea in Second Goguryeo-Tang War 660-668 Korean victory, China loss First Sino-Japanese War, 25 July 1894 17 April 1895 Japanese victory, China loss Second Sino-Japanese War (with America allied with Republic of China), July 7, 1937, to September 2, 1945 American-Chinese Victory, Japanese loss I can only find a Japanese invasion of Korea in 1592. Koreans repelled. |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 5:59:18 PM EDT
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Lets be honest here, the world would be better off with 2 Billion less people in it.... |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 5:59:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat can't be a fair analogy.
Everyone knows that Dhalsim was the weakest character in the game |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 6:12:54 PM EDT
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India, all the way
J/K - China has fucked them up every time that they have clashed. The real winners are everyone else though |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 6:19:16 PM EDT
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Pretty sure that chick is Japanese tho Quote HistoryQuoted:
ETA: Yuk Ji Hye |
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Posted: 6/21/2018 6:22:05 PM EDT
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If infantry is a factor, then China.
I think the Chinese could be trained to be adequate infantry, and they could field incredible numbers. The Indians, to me, are smart, but lack discipline and are lazy. China for the win |
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