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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:38:21 AM EST

[#1]

Most people don't understand manufacturing.

I have a set down talk with quite a bit of my new people and explain to them about how manufacturing is based on time/targets/output/efficiency .

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:38:34 AM EST

[#2]

I routinely arrive 30 minutes early. I'm lucky to get a full lunch. I usually leave 30 minutes late.

But then I run the show too.....

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:39:19 AM EST

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Office hourly and salary are not subject to this policy. As long as we get our work done and show up to meetings nobody cares when we get in.

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That's the way I've always looked at it. If you are doing your job, I really don't care if you are a few minutes late.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:39:31 AM EST

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He leaves right at the bell.......

The guys does good work, but he's going to get fired. Something as simple as getting there 5min early is cheap insurance to keep a well paying job.

Same reason you fill up your gas tank in your car before the needle is barried in the red....cheap insurance.

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I start at 8am also and get here between 8:10-8:45, I've been warned about 30-40 times about it over the last 20 years. If your firing someone that starts at 8am but shows up at 7:55-8:05 its probably not a great business decision. Your office probably has no issue with the workers that spend a hour a day socializing or get hours less work done, but have a huge issue over 2 minutes.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:40:40 AM EST

[#5]

drives me nuts also. but then again I am self employed, so I am always at work early.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:41:02 AM EST

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If you want me at work at 7:45, schedule me at 7:45.

That said, when I was hourly, I did try to get to work with a buffer but I'd sit in the parking lot for that extra 5-10 minutes. Clock in time is 8:00? That's when I punch the clock.

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The clock starts when I enter the property, where the crazy rules start. I need 10 minutes to get from my vehicle to my desk.

I still give a fair measure of my time, but watch it closer due to overtime pay rules. Very little goodwill time given away now.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:41:41 AM EST

[#7]

My start time is 8. I don’t have to particularly be anywhere at 8, just available for calls. So I’m usually pulling out of my driveway around 8:15ish.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:41:52 AM EST

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On Arfcom every employee is shitty and easy to replace. No one has any special skills.

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Except for Arfcommers, who are masters of their trade and completely irreplaceable.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:41:57 AM EST

[#9]

I come in late so I have to leave early to make up for it.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:42:07 AM EST

[#10]

Why is it so hard for people to say the real time they want things to happen at?

Also, if you're the boss, and you have some unwritten rule that people are supposed to be at work before they start getting paid, you're going to get sued and lose bigly.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:42:57 AM EST

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I show up when I'm paid to show up.

Not "early".

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This is all that needs to be said .

I constantly have heard over the years that ' we start at 7:30 or 8:00 or whatever but people need to be here at least 15 minutes early '
So I ask ' then people will start getting paid at 7:15 , 7:45 or whatever ? ' and the answer is always NO ..

What the fuck is that shit - so work for free just because ?? fuck that !

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:44:14 AM EST

[#12]

If my employer required me to be ready to work at a specific time then I would plan ahead and be early enough to make sure I could make it happen. That said, even though I'm hourly I am so glad my employer treats us like professionals and promotes a healthy work & life balance. Some people in our group like to come in early and leave early, others later and stay later. The work gets done and everyone is happy.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:44:17 AM EST

[#13]

I did not read whole thread because i know there will be a bunch of people defending employees being late. Fuck that.

I owned my business for 20 years and retired a couple years ago. I had employees that were always late. They got the smallest raises and would eventually get weeded out completely. If you are not smart enough to get somewhere on time, you are not smart enough to work for me.

First step of success is “show up on time”

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:45:11 AM EST

[#14]

I am at work now.

I have on the following articles of clothing:
Shorts

My designated start time is somewhere between 0600 and 0900
End time is: LOL, When I get shit done, or wake in the middle of the night and fix something.

I am exempt. I also have worked weekends, nights, holidays and when on vacation.

you take take your happy little minute and stick it up AOCs Socialist ass

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:45:18 AM EST

[#15]

I find that type of behaviour very disrespectful. You give the guy a great job with good pay and he acts like it's a shift at Burger King.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:45:23 AM EST

[#16]

Beds are comfortable, yo

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:45:39 AM EST

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You should be at your job early enough to take care of whatever it is and be ready to work at the appointed time.

Not walk in 2 minutes before 8 then go take a shit then make coffee then maybe start work.

Bingo......

Lol yes because I’m sure no one that shows up early uses the bathroom or makes coffee after the “work hours” begin.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:46:22 AM EST

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I show up when I'm paid to show up.

Not "early".

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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:47:16 AM EST

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I worked with a young guy who couldn't get there on time. Great paying job with security and benefits. Required to be at the meeting area every morning at 0700. He would be at the door at 7, meeting a few minutes later. Despite my warnings, he blew it off. He was fired for tardiness.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:47:22 AM EST

[#20]

Regularly being late tells everyone around you that you are a disorganized slob that doesn’t give a shit about others

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:47:30 AM EST

[#21]

The employee needs to "flex" to the culture of the shop he works in. If everyone walks in the door 10 minutes before 8:00, my guess is that by the time you get a cup of coffee, get settled in your desk, etc., it's 8:00.

If you walk in the door at 7:59, you ain't "working" at 8:00.

When does "work" start? When you are at your desk? When you walk in the door? When you hit the parking lot?

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:48:08 AM EST

[#22]

This is not going the way the OP thought it would.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:48:27 AM EST

[#23]

Where I am now is compensated up to 15 min before and 15 after the shift. So as long as you're there at least 8min before the hour you get the full 15 minutes.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:49:48 AM EST

[#24]

If I don't get to start the clock until 8, I'm not working till 8.

If I can start the clock at 745 if I get there early, I'll start immediately.

But no pay = no work.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:49:48 AM EST

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Or in today's day and age.....it getting buy with the least amount of effort acceptable??

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oof

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:49:56 AM EST

[#26]

Either you’re late or you’re not.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:51:07 AM EST

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Most people don't understand manufacturing.

I have a set down talk with quite a bit of my new people and explain to them about how manufacturing is based on time/targets/output/efficiency .

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Most manufacturing people don't understand engineering, and the time it takes to produce and double check CAD drawings.

If his being 1-2 minutes late to work delayed his drawing by 1-2 minutes, which resulted in an immediate delay for production, you might have a point.

Somehow I doubt that's the case here.

If you are running your production shop so tight that having a drawing released 1-2 minutes late can halt or delay production, you are doing something wrong in my opinion.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:51:20 AM EST

[#28]

I plan as if there’s going to be a hangup. If there’s no traffic or surprises, I’m at work at least 15 minutes early and that gets paid as OT. If there’s traffic or a surprise, I’m still on time.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:51:40 AM EST

[#29]

I used to do that "early bird" shit.....But I got better.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:51:48 AM EST

[#30]

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I worked with a young guy who couldn't get there on time. Great paying job with security and benefits. Required to be at the meeting area every morning at 0700. He would be at the door at 7, meeting a few minutes later. Despite my warnings, he blew it off. He was fired for tardiness.

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I had a chronically late employee that I told if she showed up even one minute late again, she would fired. A week or so later she showed up two minutes late, and she was shocked that she got fired.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:52:22 AM EST

[#31]

I don’t work for free. If I start at 8 I will ready to work at 8. If you want me there 740 then pay me, and I will be there at 740. It goes both ways.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:54:43 AM EST

[#32]

If you want me to wear 37 pieces of flair, why not make the minimum 37 pieces of flair?
If you want people's start time to be 745 then make it 745, don't browbeat a guy for showing up at the assigned time.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:54:44 AM EST

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So if work starts at 8.....and you show up at 8....but one day you show up at 8:05 because of traffic....that's piss poor planning on your part.

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I don't have a time punch type job, fortunately. I show up and leave when I want, just as long as the job gets done.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:54:49 AM EST

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I show up when I'm paid to show up.

Not "early".

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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:55:25 AM EST

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Most people don't understand manufacturing.

I have a set down talk with quite a bit of my new people and explain to them about how manufacturing is based on time/targets/output/efficiency .

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On a shop floor with shifts? Maybe.

Salaried CAD designers. Nope.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:55:36 AM EST

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This is not going the way the OP thought it would.

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It's ridiculous to try to manage people down to the minute.

Honestly, who is working every single minute of their work day? Focusing on someone sitting at their desk preciously at 8:00 while they then aren't actually working throughout the day isn't very productive.

As as long as everyone is getting shit done there are much more important things to focus on.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:55:46 AM EST

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Except for Arfcommers, who are masters of their trade and completely irreplaceable.

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Yes like me, but try convincing anyone here of that fact.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:56:04 AM EST

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Either you're late or you're not.

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This is what I hear in my head everytime someone in this thread says that:

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:56:15 AM EST

[#39]

If he was required to punch a time clock, and paid for any time clocked-in before 8am, would the boss make him clock in 15 minutes early? Or exactly at 8am?

I 'assume' that a professional is paid for job performance and not a specific set number of hours/day. If not, set up a time clock for everyone and pay them for time "on the clock."

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:56:21 AM EST

[#40]

He needs to show up on time. If he can't, document and progressive discipline up to termination.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:56:22 AM EST

[#41]

Was he dressed properly, OP?

Are you the owner’s son?

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:56:31 AM EST

[#42]

Are you his boss? Why do you care when he shows up? Does his showing up late somehow affect you being able to do your job?

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:56:38 AM EST

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I don't disagree with you, OP, but this thread won't go well for you.

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I figured it would be full of the "screw you, I start work at 8:05 and leave at 4:58" type guys.

.....because bitching about freeloaders in society is ok......but screwing your employer out of money is cool too.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:56:54 AM EST

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The employee needs to "flex" to the culture of the shop he works in. If everyone walks in the door 10 minutes before 8:00, my guess is that by the time you get a cup of coffee, get settled in your desk, etc., it's 8:00.

If you walk in the door at 7:59, you ain't "working" at 8:00.

When does "work" start? When you are at your desk? When you walk in the door? When you hit the parking lot?

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But what if the employee doesn't drink coffee, and begins working the moment he hits his desk?

I swear, it sounds like some of you would make people clock out for bathroom breaks if you could get away with it.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:57:05 AM EST

[#45]

We just had a meeting at work last week and touched on this subject. Over 50% of the employees were late to the meeting!

It has been over 4 years since we've gone a single week without a tardy or call-in by someone.

I'm the type of person who hates to be late. I don't think I've ever been late to anything in my life.

I show up to work 45-60 minutes early. Good news is, I clock in when I get there and start working. I turn my 10-6:30 schedule into a 9-5:30 schedule.
I originally started showing up this early, because my co-worker loved to call in to work randomly with no heads-up. This meant that I had to do her tasks on top of mine. I needed that extra hour before midnight to get them completed...so not knowing when she will call in, I just shifted my schedule an hour early so I never have to worry about it again.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:57:07 AM EST

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Ww had several affirmative action candidates who would show up late... or not at all... i was informed by the Executive director, who was white, that it was a "cultural thing" and that I wouldn't understand...

When i expressed my opinions on the matter, she just stood there staring at me... she asked me how I could speak of my fellow "team members " like that...

I told her showing up to work on time and doing my job, correctly were things in my culture and she wouldn't understand...

She left a month later... I've never been so happy to sse someone resign in my life...

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:57:14 AM EST

[#47]

Why can’t my teenage kids get up in time for school? Why does my wife run late to everything no matter the occasion?

It’s one of life’s great mysteries. Some care about such things, others just don’t. I’ll never understand it either.

You and your coworkers and your boss care about such things. It doesn’t appear that he does. It will sort itself out. But if he hasn’t figured it out by this point in his life he never will. Unless it’s affecting your job, then myob is the best policy. Nobody likes a hall monitor.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:57:19 AM EST

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So if work starts at 8.....and you show up at 8....but one day you show up at 8:05 because of traffic....that's piss poor planning on your part.

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I show up when I'm paid to show up.

Not "early".

So if work starts at 8.....and you show up at 8....but one day you show up at 8:05 because of traffic....that's piss poor planning on your part.

So you need the CAD guy so you can do your job at 8?

No reason the floor can't work without the CAD guy. If you're waiting on him, the company has bigger issues.

Posted: 8/28/2019 7:57:42 AM EST

[#49]

Pretty sure a decent CAD operator can get a job just about anywhere with little effort. But you go ahead and keep pushing his buttons. Worrying about a minute or two is so short sighted. You can always tell bad management by how anal they get about the non-consequential details instead of focusing on balancing getting the job done well and on time with the happiness and growth of their employees. Happy, well treated employees, produce better work, faster than people treated as cogs in the machine.

That whole part in Office Space about how he does just enough to not get fired... that is the mind set you are creating worrying about crap like this.