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Use your harvest right freeze dryer and pack with ground beef. Maybe a little change up and a few snickers.
I have a friend who climbs mountains. He has summited Kilimanjaro He pretty much just packs snickers. |
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Quoted: Get rid of the bucket, that's stupid. https://ursack.com/ I use a ursack. It's easy and convenient. That or use the PCT method with a bag of some sort. 550 cord, a carabiner, and your sleeping bag stuff sack is all you need. View Quote That works in the low country. I spent two weeks alone in the back country, in the high tundra in Denali National Park. The bear can is a non-negotiable requirement. |
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Quoted: Personally I would go with the Counter Assault or the bigger BearVault (both around 9-10 liter). The smaller 7 liter BV would be too small for me for 7 days. (Yeah, you could fill it with pemmican or some kind of boring goop, but why?) The Counter Assault will actually hold enough food for a normal-large size dude for a week. If you're gonna go with Mountain House or Backcountry Pantry for your main meal, then be sure to supplement it with some extra calories. Peanut butter in heavy duty ziplocks is a good space filler for the voids in the can. I'd also go with nuts and other small stuff in bags. Yeah the can is gonna weigh 3.5 lbs or so, but sounds like you're stuck with the weight of a hard can anyways. View Quote Iirc, the container was about 2lbs. I'm a fan of the dehydrated peanut powder, so long as water is readily available. Can add to lots of stuff for extra protein. I'm generally not a huge fan of freeze dried as a staple. I'll sometimes take a MH beef stroganoff as a treat. I'm not picky and don't get burnt out too easily except on sweet stuff. Cliff bars and energy gels....adventure racing killed them for me. ![]() I can eat jerky, cheese, and steel cut oats with salt and bacon grease every day for a week, easy. |
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Brown bears aren't necessarily more dangerous than Black bears.
We spent 2 wks above the Arctic Circle before the invention of these... "buckets". So what? Pack light. Min heavy fats. |
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My Ursack is 10L and will fit five days of food for two (two oatmeals per breakfast, Peak meals for the others, and a shitload of Sourpatch kids).
The calorie deficit is a feature, not a bug. |
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I’d cram in as many freeze dried meals as I can. Peak Refuel, good to go, heathers choice. Maybe some ramen. Trail mix, Fritos, and ritz, Peanut butter m&ms to fill up empty space. Maybe a few ounces of olive oil to up the cal/oz if I need it. Summer sausage if somehow you still have room. I usually only eat dinner when backpacking with snacks throughout the day.
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Quoted: Brown bears aren't necessarily more dangerous than Black bears. We spent 2 wks above the Arctic Circle before the invention of these... "buckets". So what? Pack light. Min heavy fats. View Quote Fats are some of the lightest calories you can carry. ![]() Defining "Ultralight" Food for Backpacking and Bug Out Bags This vid is well worth your time if you carry food. |
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Quoted: Use your harvest right freeze dryer and pack with ground beef. Maybe a little change up and a few snickers. I have a friend who climbs mountains. He has summited Kilimanjaro He pretty much just packs snickers. View Quote |
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Quoted: Two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. View Quote Hunter Thompson has entered the chat….. |
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Knorr pasta and rice meals, Idahoan instant potatoes and grits. Supplement that with some fajita and taco seasoning, some powdered gravy, some powdered milk, some coco mix or similar, and that's about it. No need to overthink it. It's 7 days. Not 70.
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Wrap everything in tortillas and add olive or coconut oil.
Read up on JMT food planning blogs, lots of info on packing bear cans. Food Calories/serving Tortilla 80 PB M&Ms 150 Snickers bar 250 Almonds - 1 oz 164 Trade Joe's Coconut Oil Packet 120 Olive Oil Packets 90 Mayo packet 10 Justin's chocolate hazelnut butter 200 Cashews - 1 oz 157 Walnuts - 1 oz 185 Spam Single Slice 260 Tuna Creations 120 Protein Bars of choice 260 Jack Links Beef Sausages - 1 oz 140 Peanut Butter - 1 oz 167 Jelly Packet 60 Trader Joes Instant 3in1 Coffee 50 Epic Bars 120 Babybel Cheese 70 Sports Beans or Jelly Beans 100 sriracha packets 5 Peak Refuel - repackage in Ziplock 680 Instant Mashed Potatoes - 1/4 cup dry 110 Bacon Bits - 1 oz 135 KFC Butter Flavored Packet 30 Probar Meal Bar 350 Instant Oatmeal Packet w/sugar 115 Dried Mango - 1 oz 140 Pringles - crushed 143 Electrolyte Drink Mix 30 |
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Just do a 7 day keto fast WTF.
But probably like trail mix/nuts, seeds, nut butters, instant oatmeal, seaweed, tortillas to wrap stuff in. |
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Also for snacking, while not great, those SOS liferaft rations are easy calories. Most protein bars are better though
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Quoted: For me, hot food is a less negotiable item than a rope when on a mountain. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Use your harvest right freeze dryer and pack with ground beef. Maybe a little change up and a few snickers. I have a friend who climbs mountains. He has summited Kilimanjaro He pretty much just packs snickers. |
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Quoted: Mtn house sucks. Try Peak for your dehydrated meals. It’s way good! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Fresh food for the first two days, mountain house and shelf stable stuff for the rest. Mtn house sucks. Try Peak for your dehydrated meals. It’s way good! Peak meals are great, especially the bison, elk and venison they had for a bit, I stocked way up on those. |
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A few tips and meal ideas I use backpacking:
To reduce volume, crush the food and vacuum seal it. One of my go to backpacking foods is Fritos because it is extremely high in calories to weight (474 calories per gram). Packing a bag as it comes from the store would be impractical. Smash it down, then vacuum seal it and it greatly reduces the volume. I like to eat them with some rehydrated refried beans and meat (with oil added to boost calories). Fritos also make an excellent fire starter. Use bulk freeze dried vegetables and meat. Costs way less than prepackaged meals, and you can mix with other items that are more calorie dense. Portion out what you need, vacuum seal it to reduce volume. Use oil (like olive oil, avocado oil) - 880 calories per 100g. Easy to pack. I use it to to mix in rehydrated refried beans. Adds fat and flavor. Put in a flour tortilla (287 calories per 100g - they are easy to pack because they are flat and can bend/be folded) with some rehydrated meat (again with oil added to boost calories). Granola mixed with dehydrated milk. Add hot water and let sit for an easy hot breakfast. 471 calories per 100g Make your own trail mix. I like peanut M&Ms with dried fruit, raw almonds, cashews and coconut. About 525 calories per 100g. Ramen noodles are about 436 calories per 100g cooked. They are already pretty compact. Add oil when cooking to boost the calories. Add some dehydrated carrrots, peas, onion and chicken for a little more flavor and protein. For your first day’s meals, don’t pack them in the bear container. You will be eating them anyway before you turn down. That will save room in the container for other items. 7 day trip, 90 liter pack - no problem getting everything you need in there. |
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Quoted: That's sad. I've spent decades backpacking on the east coast with no requirements. View Quote It's not a requirement due to black bears. I was backpacking in the southeast corner of Yellowstone and I was checking out my permit that corner of the park was closed due to a bear attack. |
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Quoted: I saw a documentary about some underwater cave explorers. They were gonna be down there for like 2 weeks, so volume and weight were huge. They took MH meals out of the package. Ground them up and pressed them into a puck. Pretty small for each meal, surprisingly so. I'm sure it'd get real old, real fast. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: That canister's going to fill up faster than you think. 7 days means some forethought. You're going to be packing that thing down with a fist. I usually eat instant oatmeal, freeze-dried coffee, and Emergen-C for breakfast. "Bars" for lunch -- Clif bar, Luna bar, PRO bar, that kind of thing. Pay attention to the calories and protein you get. Dinner is always freeze-dried food. I want to eat and then relax. Electrolyte powder. For 7 days, I'd bring a packet of freeze-dried hamburger patties for when I wanted the extra protein. I saw a documentary about some underwater cave explorers. They were gonna be down there for like 2 weeks, so volume and weight were huge. They took MH meals out of the package. Ground them up and pressed them into a puck. Pretty small for each meal, surprisingly so. I'm sure it'd get real old, real fast. Vacuum sealing them saves a ton of space, you just need a separate container to rehydrate, ziploc bags work if you don’t have water to clean your pot you boiled the water in (or just cold soak if you’re really hardcore about saving weight). |
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I was right at 2lbs of food per day for my backpack elk hunt last year. I focused on things that were durable, and things I would actually eat when I felt like shit. I used Peak 1 meals, honey stingers, bobo bars, and things like that.
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Quoted: A few tips and meal ideas I use backpacking: To reduce volume, crush the food and vacuum seal it. One of my go to backpacking foods is Fritos because it is extremely high in calories to weight (474 calories per gram). Packing a bag as it comes from the store would be impractical. Smash it down, then vacuum seal it and it greatly reduces the volume. I like to eat them with some rehydrated refried beans and meat (with oil added to boost calories). Fritos also make an excellent fire starter. Use bulk freeze dried vegetables and meat. Costs way less than prepackaged meals, and you can mix with other items that are more calorie dense. Portion out what you need, vacuum seal it to reduce volume. Use oil (like olive oil, avocado oil) - 880 calories per 100g. Easy to pack. I use it to to mix in rehydrated refried beans. Adds fat and flavor. Put in a flour tortilla (287 calories per 100g - they are easy to pack because they are flat and can bend/be folded) with some rehydrated meat (again with oil added to boost calories). Granola mixed with dehydrated milk. Add hot water and let sit for an easy hot breakfast. 471 calories per 100g Make your own trail mix. I like peanut M&Ms with dried fruit, raw almonds, cashews and coconut. About 525 calories per 100g. Ramen noodles are about 436 calories per 100g cooked. They are already pretty compact. Add oil when cooking to boost the calories. Add some dehydrated carrrots, peas, onion and chicken for a little more flavor and protein. For your first day’s meals, don’t pack them in the bear container. You will be eating them anyway before you turn down. That will save room in the container for other items. 7 day trip, 90 liter pack - no problem getting everything you need in there. View Quote Damn, can you imagine how much weight you could lose on a 7 day backpacking trip while fasting?? Probably 30-35 lbs. The ultimate diet! |
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Anywho, I pack two mountain house meals a day, breakfast and dinner. For lunch I make a tortilla “sandwich” with cheese and cured meat I’d some sort, then vac seal it.
I then throw in whatever snacks I feel like to get me to 2800-3000 calories. Oh, and don’t forget the Starbucks via. I also really like a liquid IV packet or two. I then throw everything into a gallon ziplock bag and that’s a days worth of food. |
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Quoted: I was right at 2lbs of food per day for my backpack elk hunt last year. I focused on things that were durable, and things I would actually eat when I felt like shit. I used Peak 1 meals, honey stingers, bobo bars, and things like that. View Quote I do several 30+ mile hikes/year and agree that Peak Refuel and Stingers are awesome. Mountain House has some good options but Peak is more consistent. I’m also a big fan of chocolate bars and nuts, along with Gatorade powder mixed with BCAA powder. |
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Tortillas, tuna packets, peanut butter, summer sausage, baby bel cheese, pickles and snickers.
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I can do 7 days with a standard Garcia canister (10L)
I usually hike with my father so we each carry all our own breakfasts/lunches/trail snacks, but we both split the dinners since we share them. First day you can leave out of the bear canister. Breakfast= 2 Quaker oat packs, raw sugar packets for toppings. All opened put in a single ziplock bag for each day, air squeezed out to maintain space. Lunch= 4oz pouch of tuna, packet of mayo, packet of relish, salt, pepper. Keebler club crackers, Oreo six pack. Can use chicken or other pouched meats. Dinner= usually Lipton pasta sides, or idahoan mashed potatoes.and rehydrated meat of choice. Potatoes can be turned in to soup easily. Again all transferred to ziplock bags and air removed. Daily trail snacks= baggy of jerky, a fruit leather or two, bag of nuts. Gatorade mix for a nalgene in addition to my water bladder. Energy gel packs if it's a good uphill day. Special treats= baby bell cheese, summer sausage, powdered hummus(usually have a small bottle of oil for that and frying fish) and tortillas as bread or for hummus as it stores flat. Ritter sport chocolate squares. Also usually bring a baggy of flour and Cajun spice for frying fish one night if there is fishing along the way. And a bottle of hot sauce |
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Sardines in olive oil w/ some hot sauce, beef jerky, and a bunch of assorted nuts mixed with chocolate coated espresso beans. Sweet potato tots in a zip-loc bag are also a secret weapon of mine for high-output physical activity. All of these foods provide a ton of usable energy to the body, and will allow you to feel full and satisfied while making it pretty easy to also stay in a calorie deficit. Honorable mention for the whole avocado too, but that might be a tough food to bring backpacking due to how fast they go bad and how messy they are to cut up and eat. Insanely good fuel for the body though! High protein is good, but high protein + high fat + high potassium = moar better.
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Quoted: That's sad. I've spent decades backpacking on the east coast with no requirements. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: If you backpack in Yellowstone or The Tetons they require a bear proof vault to be shown at check in before you pick up your permit. Anywhere else just stick to hanging it. It has to be on a pre approved list. Guessing they get a lot of backpackers that would show up and eat in their tent and such. That's sad. I've spent decades backpacking on the east coast with no requirements. Eastern High Peak zone of the ADK requires them from April to November |
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View Quote Watch this video. Link to pdf in description. Download and print. Amazing work!!! |
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Quoted: Two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. View Quote Bear Country Not Bat Country |
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Quoted: Two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. View Quote Black cats, roman candles, screaming mimis? Lady fingers, fuzz buttles, snicker bombs, church burners, finger blasters, gut busters, zippity do das, crap flappers? Whistling bungholes, spleen splitters, whisker biscuits, honky lighters, hoosker doos, hoosker don'ts, cherry bombs, nipsy daisers, with or without the scooter stick, or one single whistling kitty chaser? [sorry for shittying up a worthwhile thread] I actually like the Mountain House meals, I'd probably try to focus mainly on them because of weight but the size may be an issue since they're packed with air also. Is that why some of you guys are re-bagging them? I'd also try to pack some Spam singles, and some of the foil tuna pouches (or the premixed tuna salad/chicken salad ones). Stuff a few pop tarts in there too. |
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Quoted: Looked at the ursack. Still limited on volume. Save about 1.5 pounds. Not universally recognized. Some places don't have trees. Hell, we struggled to find a damn horizontal limb 12 ft off the ground in Red River Gorge KY one night. ![]() View Quote Honestly I tried to make my ursack work as a primary food storage container in my pack. It never seemed to work. Now I store the empty ursack in the pack during the day. Every days food is in its own ziplock and gets crammed into the empty corners of the pack. The food only goes in the ursack at night |
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Some reflective tape will make the canister easier to find. A bear could move it around before getting bored.
No solid advice from me on packing or carrying it. Be sure to also put your toothbrush & toothpaste in there. I have a Garcia but haven’t camped in bear country for 30+ years. |
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Quoted: Get rid of the bucket, that’s stupid. https://ursack.com/ I use a ursack. It’s easy and convenient. That or use the PCT method with a bag of some sort. 550 cord, a carabiner, and your sleeping bag stuff sack is all you need. View Quote I bought 3 of those for our upcoming BWCA trip for $75 each on Amazon. I got lucky. The next day they were back up to $150. |
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Quoted: That's sad. I've spent decades backpacking on the east coast with no requirements. View Quote There's talk that they're going to require a bear can for part of the AT starting next year. I'm not looking forward to that because I'm taking a shot at doing the trail next year. They just closed part of the trail in NC because of a rogue mother bear with cubs |
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Quoted: Two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. View Quote |
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Quoted: Black cats, roman candles, screaming mimis? Lady fingers, fuzz buttles, snicker bombs, church burners, finger blasters, gut busters, zippity do das, crap flappers? Whistling bungholes, spleen splitters, whisker biscuits, honky lighters, hoosker doos, hoosker don'ts, cherry bombs, nipsy daisers, with or without the scooter stick, or one single whistling kitty chaser? [sorry for shittying up a worthwhile thread] I actually like the Mountain House meals, I'd probably try to focus mainly on them because of weight but the size may be an issue since they're packed with air also. Is that why some of you guys are re-bagging them? I'd also try to pack some Spam singles, and some of the foil tuna pouches (or the premixed tuna salad/chicken salad ones). Stuff a few pop tarts in there too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. Black cats, roman candles, screaming mimis? Lady fingers, fuzz buttles, snicker bombs, church burners, finger blasters, gut busters, zippity do das, crap flappers? Whistling bungholes, spleen splitters, whisker biscuits, honky lighters, hoosker doos, hoosker don'ts, cherry bombs, nipsy daisers, with or without the scooter stick, or one single whistling kitty chaser? [sorry for shittying up a worthwhile thread] I actually like the Mountain House meals, I'd probably try to focus mainly on them because of weight but the size may be an issue since they're packed with air also. Is that why some of you guys are re-bagging them? I'd also try to pack some Spam singles, and some of the foil tuna pouches (or the premixed tuna salad/chicken salad ones). Stuff a few pop tarts in there too. When I was a kid, freeze dried foods were vacuum packed in the foil pouches. I remember dad having a bunch of the scrunched up, brick hard, MH (iirc) meals the size of your fist. Yeah, they are bulky now. Also, not very calorie dense per weight. There are a several factors at play when choosing food. Calories per pound Need for water Palatability Type of calorie Convenience/time to prepare/shit you need to prepare it And with the hard constraint of a bear container: calories per liter. If water is plentiful, dehydrated food is great. If not, no harm in carrying calorie dense, "heavy" foods like fats. See the video I posted. "Lightweight" foods aren't nessecarily light when viewed through the calories-per-pound filter. I was as surprised as anyone, after watching the material and thinking about it. |
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Quoted: Some reflective tape will make the canister easier to find. A bear could move it around before getting bored. No solid advice from me on packing or carrying it. Be sure to also put your toothbrush & toothpaste in there. I have a Garcia but haven’t camped in bear country for 30+ years. View Quote I'm not a tech geek, but it seems like that would be an excellent application of those airpod tracker things, if you had an iPhone. The boy has them on everything important or valuable. |
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Quoted: I'm not a tech geek, but it seems like that would be an excellent application of those airpod tracker things, if you had an iPhone. The boy has them on everything important or valuable. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Some reflective tape will make the canister easier to find. A bear could move it around before getting bored. No solid advice from me on packing or carrying it. Be sure to also put your toothbrush & toothpaste in there. I have a Garcia but haven’t camped in bear country for 30+ years. I'm not a tech geek, but it seems like that would be an excellent application of those airpod tracker things, if you had an iPhone. The boy has them on everything important or valuable. airtag would work if it was in range of an iphone... so 30ft is the range. It will tell you if its near you, but i think it needs a few iphone pings to be more precision in locatoin. So at Thousand Island Lake in the Sierras.. there is a lot of folks coming and going from there, lots of backpackers camping all day every day. The bears there have learned to just walk through camp at night and simply knock over bear canisters.. because someone always forgets to or doesnt lock the lid down. At the backpackers camp in Yosemite valley.. the bears there walk through camp and jiggle the bear locker doors knowing that folks sometimes dont lock them all the way. One scored the night we were staying there. The person had an Ursack... the Ursack worked, but literally everything inside was pulverized LOL. |
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