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And all of a sudden Europe admits they have a problem with Terrorism.
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Maybe he just means that he doesn't want French cops saddled with the retarded pump shotgun that has been ubiquitous to US law enforcement for so long, and instead wants modern autoloading rifles. ![]() So they use MP5s instead ![]() I've never heard anyone call them barbaric. They are ridiculously impractical though, which is why they're not usually issued. Nothing puts bad guys down at close range as well as buckshot. It would be hard to find a worse application for the shotgun than crowded urban areas (which terrorist seem to love). |
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Were we not told that there are lots of French cops with guns? So it is in fact true that there were a number of French police who were on scene or fled the scene because....well shit they had no guns.
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The WWI story about the Germans isn't really relevant. Most cops haven't heard it, it seems to be better known in the US. Shotguns are simply considered obsolete and impractical for anything but less lethal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe he just means that he doesn't want French cops saddled with the retarded pump shotgun that has been ubiquitous to US law enforcement for so long, and instead wants modern autoloading rifles. ![]() So they use MP5s instead ![]() I've never heard anyone call them barbaric. They are ridiculously impractical though, which is why they're not usually issued. The WWI story about the Germans isn't really relevant. Most cops haven't heard it, it seems to be better known in the US. Shotguns are simply considered obsolete and impractical for anything but less lethal. FBI Stats by 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 Shotguns 457 442 423 366 356 Lots of people in the US would disagree, but they are dead so, let me do if for them. Shotguns used correctly even with the wrong ammo will kill a guy dead, or at best leave them as practice for surgeons. I know a guy who lost half of several important organs to a shotgun with bird shot. If the shooter had used 00...well either way it screwed him up bad for life, or should I say his vastly dimished life and life span. For people who rarely use a firearm, pass vehicle weapons around like a Vegas whore at a bachelor party, and rarely maintain it, a shotgun is better choice than... nothing. Which apparently is what a lot of them have now. Is the average cop going to make head shots at 50 meters with one, I would like to see them do it now with a rifle and a EO Tech. |
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Quoted: Hire more paras and less college kids. Its working for us ![]() Rob View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lol. Knew this was coming. As soon as i saw the video of the unarmed cop being executed i gave France 6 months before cargo pockets and MRAPS Hire more paras and less college kids. Its working for us ![]() Rob ![]() |
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"We don't want necessarily the arms that American police have. We need weapons that can respond," said Philippe Capon of French police union UNSA. "We need to arm our cops like Americans, but don't want to because that's what the Americans do." Lol. Well, all I can say is, MURICA. ![]() Send the Frenchies some blunderbusses! ![]() |
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FBI Stats by 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 Shotguns 457 442 423 366 356 Lots of people in the US would disagree, but they are dead so, let me do if for them. Shotguns used correctly even with the wrong ammo will kill a guy dead, or at best leave them as practice for surgeons. I know a guy who lost half of several important organs to a shotgun with bird shot. If the shooter had used 00...well either way it screwed him up bad for life, or should I say his vastly dimished life and life span. For people who rarely use a firearm, pass vehicle weapons around like a Vegas whore at a bachelor party, and rarely maintain it, a shotgun is better choice than... nothing. Which apparently is what a lot of them have now. Is the average cop going to make head shots at 50 meters with one, I would like to see them do it now with a rifle and a EO Tech. View Quote Shotguns are awesome; Until you run out of ammo ![]() |
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FBI Stats by 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 Shotguns 457 442 423 366 356 Lots of people in the US would disagree, but they are dead so, let me do if for them. Shotguns used correctly even with the wrong ammo will kill a guy dead, or at best leave them as practice for surgeons. I know a guy who lost half of several important organs to a shotgun with bird shot. If the shooter had used 00...well either way it screwed him up bad for life, or should I say his vastly dimished life and life span. For people who rarely use a firearm, pass vehicle weapons around like a Vegas whore at a bachelor party, and rarely maintain it, a shotgun is better choice than... nothing. Which apparently is what a lot of them have now. Is the average cop going to make head shots at 50 meters with one, I would like to see them do it now with a rifle and a EO Tech. Shotguns are awesome; Until you run out of ammo ![]() Pretty much, every firearm ever made runs out of awesome when the ammo boxes are empty. |
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My sister in law is german, she abotu had a heart attack when i took my brother to the range. she actually had a mild panic attack when i put the guns in my car to go home. View Quote Absolutely completely normal. I married a German woman. She wound up blaming me for the Giffords shooting-- as someone who was supportive of the "gun culture." Currently finishing paperwork on becoming my ex wife. |
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Absolutely completely normal. I married a German woman. She wound up blaming me for the Giffords shooting-- as someone who was supportive of the "gun culture." Currently finishing paperwork on becoming my ex wife. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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My sister in law is german, she abotu had a heart attack when i took my brother to the range. she actually had a mild panic attack when i put the guns in my car to go home. Absolutely completely normal. I married a German woman. She wound up blaming me for the Giffords shooting-- as someone who was supportive of the "gun culture." Currently finishing paperwork on becoming my ex wife. Some Brit girl screamed "OMG YOU CARRY A GUN!?!" when I was in uniform. I informed her that yes, in America police carry firearms, as does probably about 20% of the population around here. She may have pooped a little. ![]() |
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Why dont the Euro countries look to their center and just copy Switzerland. NOBODY fucks with the Swiss cops, or with the people either. Crime rate is really low, and the only shitstirrers are non-swiss. Everybody knows how to handle a gun, and the general pop. are all heavily armed, with full-auto. And just walking around in Switzerland, it just 'feels' safe. Nobody is gonna go all snackbar there, either. Switzerland didn't get invaded in two world wars for a reason. Unless somebody opens a can of sunshine, they will stay safe thru the next mess, too. IMHO YMMV View Quote UPDATE: Gun laws are tightening in der Schweiz. Also, the reasonthey weren't invaded by the Nazis was primarily because they collaborated by laundering Nazi money and loot. Secondly, big mountains and choke points. Arms had little to do with it I'm afraid. |
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"The Lovecraftian nightmare of the dead black abyss that is the shotguns gothic maw, surpassed only by the paralyzing unearthly sounds of its racking slide prophesying doom beyond compare." #justshotgunthings
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Quoted: Were we not told that there are lots of French cops with guns? So it is in fact true that there were a number of French police who were on scene or fled the scene because....well shit they had no guns. ![]() View Quote The officers retreated to cover. It is called a tactical withdrawl. Even the military preaches that.
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View Quote Hitlerverse Portal? Sweet! Maybe in Hitlerverse it is ARs that are in trashcans.
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Just mentioned on GMA. France to hire 3,000 Counter-Terrorist Officers and said they will better arms their cops across the board.
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The WWI story about the Germans isn't really relevant. Most cops haven't heard it, it seems to be better known in the US. Shotguns are simply considered obsolete and impractical for anything but less lethal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe he just means that he doesn't want French cops saddled with the retarded pump shotgun that has been ubiquitous to US law enforcement for so long, and instead wants modern autoloading rifles. ![]() So they use MP5s instead ![]() I've never heard anyone call them barbaric. They are ridiculously impractical though, which is why they're not usually issued. The WWI story about the Germans isn't really relevant. Most cops haven't heard it, it seems to be better known in the US. Shotguns are simply considered obsolete and impractical for anything but less lethal. That's only because you guys havent discovered the joys of shooting Federal's Flite Control 00 Buck. Bead sight, cylinder bore barrel, and I can easily keep all 9 pellets in between the shoulders of a standard B29 target at 50 yards. Seriously. Throw some 1 oz slugs in the gun and we can reach out 100 yards and touch someone easily. I used to not like the shotgun until the Flite Control Ammo.....It has literally doubled the effective range of 00 buck and it is downright nasty at ranges less than 7 yards. Can you guys get that over there? There's got to be a way I could send you a box or two of it to try.... |
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That's only because you guys havent discovered the joys of shooting Federal's Flite Control 00 Buck. Bead sight, cylinder bore barrel, and I can easily keep all 9 pellets in between the shoulders of a standard B29 target at 50 yards. Seriously. Throw some 1 oz slugs in the gun and we can reach out 100 yards and touch someone easily. I used to not like the shotgun until the Flite Control Ammo.....It has literally doubled the effective range of 00 buck and it is downright nasty at ranges less than 7 yards. Can you guys get that over there? There's got to be a way I could send you a box or two of it to try.... View Quote Yeah, we can get it, but it's still not as useful for the police as a SMG or carbine. |
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My sister in law is german, she abotu had a heart attack when i took my brother to the range. she actually had a mild panic attack when i put the guns in my car to go home. Sounds like she's "speshul". My cousin married a woman born and raised in Germany, and her reaction is very similar. She even won't "let him" have a gun. She has a strong dislike and fear of guns. |
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My cousin married a woman born and raised in Germany, and her reaction is very similar. She even won't "let him" have a gun. She has a strong dislike and fear of guns. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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My sister in law is german, she abotu had a heart attack when i took my brother to the range. she actually had a mild panic attack when i put the guns in my car to go home. Sounds like she's "speshul". My cousin married a woman born and raised in Germany, and her reaction is very similar. She even won't "let him" have a gun. She has a strong dislike and fear of guns. Sounds like a sheltered urbanite. |
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St Louis City PD recently got rid of their PCC's.
I'll confess to having ALOT more familiarity with the M16/AR15 platform than the 870, I wouldnt be terrified if all I had was the 870 to work with. I'll admit I wouldnt charge a machine gun nest by myself with an 870, but then again, I wouldnt do it with an M16 either. |
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St Louis City PD recently got rid of their PCC's. I'll confess to having ALOT more familiarity with the M16/AR15 platform than the 870, I wouldnt be terrified if all I had was the 870 to work with. I'll admit I wouldnt charge a machine gun nest by myself with an 870, but then again, I wouldnt do it with an M16 either. View Quote Id much prefer a Semi Rifle over a Shotgun...Don't get me wrong, Shotguns have their uses, and they really CAN be precision tools..IF you do enough shooting to be supremely confident with them.. I freely admit that Im not. Been there done that, been in a situation where ALL i had was a 590 with buckshot, and was over 40 yards away from an armed BG with one of ours next to him..if things had gone bad, it could have gone REAL bad....the reason given for why we couldnt have Patrol Rifles (Even officer-owned, no cost to the Dept) was that they wouldnt pay for the extra 2 training days mandated for Rifle Quals per year. ![]() |
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"We need to arm our cops like Americans, but don't want to because that's what the Americans do." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
"We don't want necessarily the arms that American police have. We need weapons that can respond," said Philippe Capon of French police union UNSA. "We need to arm our cops like Americans, but don't want to because that's what the Americans do." No kidding, that's kind of annoying. So, they've recognized a need for police to be armed with a solid pistol and multiple magazines and a shogun or semi-auto in every patrol car but by doing it they'd be admitting that we have been right about how we arm cops? And pride says don't act like the armed Americans? Alrighty then. |
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No kidding, that's kind of annoying. So, they've recognized a need for police to be armed with a solid pistol and multiple magazines and a shogun or semi-auto in every patrol car but by doing it they'd be admitting that we have been right about how we arm cops? And pride says don't act like the armed Americans? Alrighty then. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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"We don't want necessarily the arms that American police have. We need weapons that can respond," said Philippe Capon of French police union UNSA. "We need to arm our cops like Americans, but don't want to because that's what the Americans do." No kidding, that's kind of annoying. So, they've recognized a need for police to be armed with a solid pistol and multiple magazines and a shogun or semi-auto in every patrol car but by doing it they'd be admitting that we have been right about how we arm cops? And pride says don't act like the armed Americans? Alrighty then. Pretty much Spot On....... Many Euro Police Agencies also dont allow off-duty carry either, your weapon is secured at work when you clock off |
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Quoted: Pretty much Spot On....... Many Euro Police Agencies also dont allow off-duty carry either, your weapon is secured at work when you clock off View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "We don't want necessarily the arms that American police have. We need weapons that can respond," said Philippe Capon of French police union UNSA. "We need to arm our cops like Americans, but don't want to because that's what the Americans do." No kidding, that's kind of annoying. So, they've recognized a need for police to be armed with a solid pistol and multiple magazines and a shogun or semi-auto in every patrol car but by doing it they'd be admitting that we have been right about how we arm cops? And pride says don't act like the armed Americans? Alrighty then. Pretty much Spot On....... Many Euro Police Agencies also dont allow off-duty carry either, your weapon is secured at work when you clock off |
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No kidding, that's kind of annoying. So, they've recognized a need for police to be armed with a solid pistol and multiple magazines and a shogun or semi-auto in every patrol car but by doing it they'd be admitting that we have been right about how we arm cops? And pride says don't act like the armed Americans? Alrighty then. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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"We don't want necessarily the arms that American police have. We need weapons that can respond," said Philippe Capon of French police union UNSA. "We need to arm our cops like Americans, but don't want to because that's what the Americans do." No kidding, that's kind of annoying. So, they've recognized a need for police to be armed with a solid pistol and multiple magazines and a shogun or semi-auto in every patrol car but by doing it they'd be admitting that we have been right about how we arm cops? And pride says don't act like the armed Americans? Alrighty then. That's not what they're saying. They recognize the need for long arms, but don't necessarily want the same weapons that you guys use, like shotguns. |
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"We don't want necessarily the arms that American police have. We need weapons that can respond," said Philippe Capon of French police union UNSA. "We need to arm our cops like Americans, but don't want to because that's what the Americans do." No kidding, that's kind of annoying. So, they've recognized a need for police to be armed with a solid pistol and multiple magazines and a shogun or semi-auto in every patrol car but by doing it they'd be admitting that we have been right about how we arm cops? And pride says don't act like the armed Americans? Alrighty then. Pretty much Spot On....... Many Euro Police Agencies also dont allow off-duty carry either, your weapon is secured at work when you clock off According to the Canadians I talked to they can't take home their Beretta's either ![]() ETA: I leave my duty gun at work too, but only because I have plenty of my own to use off duty. |
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Quoted: According to the Canadians I talked to they can't take home their Beretta's either ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "We don't want necessarily the arms that American police have. We need weapons that can respond," said Philippe Capon of French police union UNSA. "We need to arm our cops like Americans, but don't want to because that's what the Americans do." No kidding, that's kind of annoying. So, they've recognized a need for police to be armed with a solid pistol and multiple magazines and a shogun or semi-auto in every patrol car but by doing it they'd be admitting that we have been right about how we arm cops? And pride says don't act like the armed Americans? Alrighty then. Pretty much Spot On....... Many Euro Police Agencies also dont allow off-duty carry either, your weapon is secured at work when you clock off According to the Canadians I talked to they can't take home their Beretta's either ![]() Same with Latin America too. Oh, what a shocker! The United States of America is the Odd Man Out.... our history, policies, laws, culture, etc are different from the majority of the world. The fact that our cops can carry off duty is odd to most nations. The fact that our citizens can carry is blood vessel busting to most nations.
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That's not what they're saying. They recognize the need for long arms, but don't necessarily want the same weapons that you guys use, like shotguns. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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"We don't want necessarily the arms that American police have. We need weapons that can respond," said Philippe Capon of French police union UNSA. "We need to arm our cops like Americans, but don't want to because that's what the Americans do." No kidding, that's kind of annoying. So, they've recognized a need for police to be armed with a solid pistol and multiple magazines and a shogun or semi-auto in every patrol car but by doing it they'd be admitting that we have been right about how we arm cops? And pride says don't act like the armed Americans? Alrighty then. That's not what they're saying. They recognize the need for long arms, but don't necessarily want the same weapons that you guys use, like shotguns. I understand that they don't like shotguns, I was just describing what we have- I should have just said "long arms" instead. I agree with the Euro mindset though- I wouldn't use a shotgun either. |
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Quoted: American weapons can be so much scarier than French weapons....we don't want scary American "dindu" killing weapons. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: "We don't want necessarily the arms that American police have. We need weapons that can respond," said Philippe Capon of French police union UNSA. "We need to arm our cops like Americans, but don't want to because that's what the Americans do." American weapons can be so much scarier than French weapons....we don't want scary American "dindu" killing weapons. |
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For people who rarely use a firearm, a shotgun is better choice than... nothing. Which apparently is what a lot of them have now. Is the average cop going to make head shots at 50 meters with one, I would like to see them do it now with a rifle and a EO Tech. View Quote Fail. Well, not complete fail, a shotgun is indeed better than nothing. But it's a terrible choice for the "cops who rarely use a firearm". The shotgun is easily the toughest small arm with which to achieve and maintain combat proficiency. You can train any cop with decent eyesight and full use of his/her hands to make that 50m head shot with a dot sighted AR in a matter of hours. |
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Quoted: No kidding, that's kind of annoying. So, they've recognized a need for police to be armed with a solid pistol and multiple magazines and a shogun or semi-auto in every patrol car but by doing it they'd be admitting that we have been right about how we arm cops? And pride says don't act like the armed Americans? Alrighty then. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: "We don't want necessarily the arms that American police have. We need weapons that can respond," said Philippe Capon of French police union UNSA. "We need to arm our cops like Americans, but don't want to because that's what the Americans do." No kidding, that's kind of annoying. So, they've recognized a need for police to be armed with a solid pistol and multiple magazines and a shogun or semi-auto in every patrol car but by doing it they'd be admitting that we have been right about how we arm cops? And pride says don't act like the armed Americans? Alrighty then. The majority of European LE is armed just like American LE. A Glock/Eig/HK/Walther/Beretta/S&W/FN made semiauto handgun in 9mm. One to two spare magazines, a pair of cuffs, spray/baton/taser, and a radio. Swedish Police Belgian Police Norwegian Police Dutch (Netherlands) Police French Police German Police Italian Police Swiss Police Austrian Police |
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Quoted: My cousin married a woman born and raised in Germany, and her reaction is very similar. She even won't "let him" have a gun. She has a strong dislike and fear of guns. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My sister in law is german, she abotu had a heart attack when i took my brother to the range. she actually had a mild panic attack when i put the guns in my car to go home. Sounds like she's "speshul". My cousin married a woman born and raised in Germany, and her reaction is very similar. She even won't "let him" have a gun. She has a strong dislike and fear of guns. Would have been a nonstarter for me. Told my wife very early on that I had two dealbreakers, and not being ok with me owning guns was one of them.
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Quoted: Some Brit girl screamed "OMG YOU CARRY A GUN!?!" when I was in uniform. I informed her that yes, in America police carry firearms, as does probably about 20% of the population around here. She may have pooped a little. ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My sister in law is german, she abotu had a heart attack when i took my brother to the range. she actually had a mild panic attack when i put the guns in my car to go home. Absolutely completely normal. I married a German woman. She wound up blaming me for the Giffords shooting-- as someone who was supportive of the "gun culture." Currently finishing paperwork on becoming my ex wife. Some Brit girl screamed "OMG YOU CARRY A GUN!?!" when I was in uniform. I informed her that yes, in America police carry firearms, as does probably about 20% of the population around here. She may have pooped a little. ![]() In 13 years of openly carrying a sidearm, and frequently a carbine / shotgun as a uniformed officer in the UK the only comments I received were mild curiosity, except from those trying to avoid me.. ![]() |
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Quoted: In 13 years of openly carrying a sidearm, and frequently a carbine / shotgun as a uniformed officer in the UK the only comments I received were mild curiosity, except from those trying to avoid me.. ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My sister in law is german, she abotu had a heart attack when i took my brother to the range. she actually had a mild panic attack when i put the guns in my car to go home. Absolutely completely normal. I married a German woman. She wound up blaming me for the Giffords shooting-- as someone who was supportive of the "gun culture." Currently finishing paperwork on becoming my ex wife. Some Brit girl screamed "OMG YOU CARRY A GUN!?!" when I was in uniform. I informed her that yes, in America police carry firearms, as does probably about 20% of the population around here. She may have pooped a little. ![]() In 13 years of openly carrying a sidearm, and frequently a carbine / shotgun as a uniformed officer in the UK the only comments I received were mild curiosity, except from those trying to avoid me.. ![]() |
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Quoted: No kidding, that's kind of annoying. So, they've recognized a need for police to be armed with a solid pistol and multiple magazines and a shogun or semi-auto in every patrol car but by doing it they'd be admitting that we have been right about how we arm cops? And pride says don't act like the armed Americans? Alrighty then. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: "We don't want necessarily the arms that American police have. We need weapons that can respond," said Philippe Capon of French police union UNSA. "We need to arm our cops like Americans, but don't want to because that's what the Americans do." No kidding, that's kind of annoying. So, they've recognized a need for police to be armed with a solid pistol and multiple magazines and a shogun or semi-auto in every patrol car but by doing it they'd be admitting that we have been right about how we arm cops? And pride says don't act like the armed Americans? Alrighty then. Not so much anymore. No UK Gov. or Police Chief wants to go down in history as being the one that routinely armed all officers. Also, just in the U.K., can you imagine the cost of equipping, training, and maintaining officers in a skillset that many of them don't want or will be unsuited to, that has a 50% or more failure rate amongst those that actually want to do it? Far easier to pretend you are doing something, and wait for the immediate problem to go away or become someone else's responsibility. So some people could get killed, still lots cheaper..... ![]() |
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FBI Stats by 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 Shotguns 457 442 423 366 356 Lots of people in the US would disagree, but they are dead so, let me do if for them. Shotguns used correctly even with the wrong ammo will kill a guy dead, or at best leave them as practice for surgeons. I know a guy who lost half of several important organs to a shotgun with bird shot. If the shooter had used 00...well either way it screwed him up bad for life, or should I say his vastly dimished life and life span. For people who rarely use a firearm, pass vehicle weapons around like a Vegas whore at a bachelor party, and rarely maintain it, a shotgun is better choice than... nothing. Which apparently is what a lot of them have now. Is the average cop going to make head shots at 50 meters with one, I would like to see them do it now with a rifle and a EO Tech. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The WWI story about the Germans isn't really relevant. Most cops haven't heard it, it seems to be better known in the US. Shotguns are simply considered obsolete and impractical for anything but less lethal. FBI Stats by 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 Shotguns 457 442 423 366 356 Lots of people in the US would disagree, but they are dead so, let me do if for them. Shotguns used correctly even with the wrong ammo will kill a guy dead, or at best leave them as practice for surgeons. I know a guy who lost half of several important organs to a shotgun with bird shot. If the shooter had used 00...well either way it screwed him up bad for life, or should I say his vastly dimished life and life span. For people who rarely use a firearm, pass vehicle weapons around like a Vegas whore at a bachelor party, and rarely maintain it, a shotgun is better choice than... nothing. Which apparently is what a lot of them have now. Is the average cop going to make head shots at 50 meters with one, I would like to see them do it now with a rifle and a EO Tech. Swede is not saying shotguns are not lethal in Europe. He is saying they relegate shotguns to use as launchers for less lethal munitions. Europeans choose SMGs and Assault Rifles as the preferred medicine for aspiring rappers. |
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This thread is confusing; am I supposed to be for or against the militarization of police?
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As far as gear is concerned, all for it. Police malfeasance is a software, not a hardware problem. Your rights can be shat upon just as easily with a stout baton as an MRAP. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This thread is confusing; am I supposed to be for or against the militarization of police? As far as gear is concerned, all for it. Police malfeasance is a software, not a hardware problem. Your rights can be shat upon just as easily with a stout baton as an MRAP. That's crazy talk. Everyone knows that having a gun makes everyone more violent. Why, if the cops at UC Davis would have had guns, all those dirty hippies peaceful culture warriors would have been shot! What we really need to do is ban terrorists from having guns (while totally respecting their culture and rights). That way, they'll give up on shooting people and use bombs reasoned dialog to secure more educational and economic opportunities for their communities! |
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Quoted: This thread is confusing; am I supposed to be for or against the militarization of police? View Quote You accept that Police need appropriate equipment to counter the threat, including if that threat is military grade weaponry. You are against militarisation of the Police. You approve of increasing numbers of ex-military personnel becoming Police Officers. You are against militarisation of the Police. You accept that in some situations, Police may need to use military based tactics. You are against militarisation of the Police. You accept that where the Police and military work together on joint domestic operations it makes sense to have compatible weapons and tactics. You are against militarisation of the Police. You accept that a lot of military based equipment, LBE, armour, even some vehicles cam have LE applications. You are against militarisation of the Police. Hope that helps...
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The Officers at the Charlie Hebdo shooting were armed. The Female officer was unarmed and was executed the next day. The officers retreated to cover. It is called a tactical withdrawl. Even the military preaches that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Were we not told that there are lots of French cops with guns? So it is in fact true that there were a number of French police who were on scene or fled the scene because....well shit they had no guns. ![]() The officers retreated to cover. It is called a tactical withdrawl. Even the military preaches that. I am being sarcastic about the completely shit coverage of an event, and more than a few posts here. Unarmed, cops who thought that would be smart. ![]() |
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