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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:02:51 AM EDT
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Pretty sure the Space Shuttle program reused rocket parts all the time, even aside from the shuttle. Weren't the solid rocket boosters always recovered and refurbished? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Damn, I'm really rooting for SpaceX. This will really put a question mark on the viability of re-use rockets. However, without failure, exceptional gains in knowledge can't be gained. Yes, but the SRB stacks were taken apart and completely refurbished, and it was a rather expensive PITA, more designed to spread out NASA and ,gov contract work across as many damn states and companies as possible, and the logistics of solid fuel and liquid fuel rockets are radically different. As to the explosion/loss meh... SpaceX has had other explosions and vehicle losses, and they have a rather amazing honeybadger attitude of learning from it, fixing whatever the problem was, and then picking up and continuing on. People have already forgotten how many of the Falcon 1's blew up. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:04:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That seems like a sucker bet for a insurance company to take  nationwide is on your side  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And it's payload? Well shit, so much for the early reports, lost entire rocket, playload and damaged pad. Not good, the rocket alone is over 60 million, the satellites are usually in the same ballpark, the launch pad may be cheaper though, I'm guessing 150-200 million in losses. Glad I'm not their insurer. I doubt any company would write policy would they? it is a real thing That seems like a sucker bet for a insurance company to take nationwide is on your side |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:14:19 AM EDT
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Sounds there was no satelille on board? ETA:Had to reread the site. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Was the satellite on-board, or did they just lose the rocket? Sounds there was no satelille on board? ETA:Had to reread the site. The SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket was scheduled to launch from Cape Canaveral, Fla., Saturday morning to deliver Facebook's first satellite. The satellite was part of CEO Mark Zuckerberg's plan to bring internet service to areas of areas of sub-Saharan Africa, according to the Orlando Sentinel. Oops. We built hardware for the Facebook satellite. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:15:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:16:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:18:18 AM EDT
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My info states that it was an Israeli payload. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Poor Mark Z
My info states that it was an Israeli payload. Yes that's what is being acknowledged. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:19:55 AM EDT
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?@HipeRFin 6 minutes ago Looking at the current state of the strongback, an explosion occurred at the 2nd stage before total RUD. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:21:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Launch window: 0700-0900 GMT (3:00-5:00 a.m. EDT) Launch site: SLC-40, Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket will launch the Amos 6 communications satellite for Spacecom of Israel. Amos 6 will provide communications and broadcast services over a coverage area stretching from the U.S. Coast to Europe, Africa and the Middle East. Amos 6 will also support the Israeli government’s satellite communications needs. Source Why are people thinking it was a Facebook payload. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do we know for sure what pad this was on? I'm assuming LC40 not LC39A? Launch window: 0700-0900 GMT (3:00-5:00 a.m. EDT) Launch site: SLC-40, Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket will launch the Amos 6 communications satellite for Spacecom of Israel. Amos 6 will provide communications and broadcast services over a coverage area stretching from the U.S. Coast to Europe, Africa and the Middle East. Amos 6 will also support the Israeli government’s satellite communications needs. Source Why are people thinking it was a Facebook payload. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:31:34 AM EDT
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Sad for SpaceX, but fuck Facebook. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:34:32 AM EDT
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Brandon ?@HipeRFin 6 minutes ago Looking at the current state of the strongback, an explosion occurred at the 2nd stage before total RUD. That is VERY interesting. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:35:48 AM EDT
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I wonder what kind of dirt that rocket had on HRC. yeah, i lol'd |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:41:02 AM EDT
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That is VERY interesting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Brandon ?@HipeRFin 6 minutes ago Looking at the current state of the strongback, an explosion occurred at the 2nd stage before total RUD. That is VERY interesting. What does "RUD" stand for? |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:41:20 AM EDT
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I wonder what kind of dirt that rocket had on HRC. yeah, i lol'd I just realize something, that rocket must of been... ...a whistle blower. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:41:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What does "RUD" stand for? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Brandon ?@HipeRFin 6 minutes ago Looking at the current state of the strongback, an explosion occurred at the 2nd stage before total RUD. That is VERY interesting. What does "RUD" stand for? Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:42:21 AM EDT
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Brandon ?@HipeRFin 6 minutes ago Looking at the current state of the strongback, an explosion occurred at the 2nd stage before total RUD. That is VERY interesting. What does "RUD" stand for? RUD, Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly, NASA talk for BTFU. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:46:41 AM EDT
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Brandon ?@HipeRFin 6 minutes ago Looking at the current state of the strongback, an explosion occurred at the 2nd stage before total RUD. That is VERY interesting. What does "RUD" stand for? Not sure but what I find interesting is that the explosion reportedly occurred at the second stage. Static engine test should not involve the second stage, I don't even think that stage would be fueled for the test. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:47:40 AM EDT
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39B pad inspection (the SLS pad) reports no debris sighted within 150 feet. An inspection was done via slowly driving around.
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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:53:05 AM EDT
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My wife is happy she stopped underwriting aviation insurance.
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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:54:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2016 11:58:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2016 12:00:13 PM EDT
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RUD, Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly, NASA talk for BTFU. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Brandon ?@HipeRFin 6 minutes ago Looking at the current state of the strongback, an explosion occurred at the 2nd stage before total RUD. That is VERY interesting. What does "RUD" stand for? RUD, Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly, NASA talk for BTFU. Elon Talk. NASA is never funny. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 12:00:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI predict an exponential increase in Nigerian princes that need to offload some money |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 12:01:03 PM EDT
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In for the Colin Kamperchick conspiracy theory how whites don't want blacks in Africa to be able to access white women internet porn....
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Posted: 9/1/2016 12:10:05 PM EDT
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Elon Talk. NASA is never funny. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Brandon ?@HipeRFin 6 minutes ago Looking at the current state of the strongback, an explosion occurred at the 2nd stage before total RUD. That is VERY interesting. What does "RUD" stand for? RUD, Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly, NASA talk for BTFU. Elon Talk. NASA is never funny. You may be right when it comes to the higher ups and press releases. But I live with these guys, RUD is a known and used term with folks at the space coast. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 12:35:14 PM EDT
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Activities around T-3:00 for a Falcon 9:
T-0:03:40 TEA-TEB Ignition System Activation T-0:03:30 Strongback Retraction complete T-0:03:25 Flight Termination System to Internal Power T-0:03:05 Flight Termination System Armed T-0:03:00 LOX Topping Termination T-0:03:00 Strongback Securing complete T-0:02:45 Fuel Trim Valve to Flight Position ...so, it went "BOOM" about the time that they turned on the thing that's supposed to make it go "BOOM" if things go wonky? Interesting. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 12:42:23 PM EDT
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All tests for hypergolics, oxydizers, hydrocarbons and hydrazine at
LC-39A have passed without issue. Tests were done inside and outside of the buildings. This removes significant OHS issues for SpaceX staff at the Falcon Heavy pad located up the road from the accident at the F9 launch pad SLC-40. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 12:44:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Activities around T-3:00 for a Falcon 9: T-0:03:40 TEA-TEB Ignition System Activation T-0:03:30 Strongback Retraction complete T-0:03:25 Flight Termination System to Internal Power T-0:03:05 Flight Termination System Armed T-0:03:00 LOX Topping Termination T-0:03:00 Strongback Securing complete T-0:02:45 Fuel Trim Valve to Flight Position ...so, it went "BOOM" about the time that they turned on the thing that's supposed to make it go "BOOM" if things go wonky? Interesting. That would certainly make it go boom. Although, they previously said it was a pad issue not a rocket issue, I guess we'll have to see. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 12:52:16 PM EDT
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Nothing good comes from naming something that's supposed to be all sciency "Amos".
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Posted: 9/1/2016 12:53:17 PM EDT
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I doubt any company would write policy would they? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"SpaceX can confirm that in preparation for today's static fire, there was an anomaly on the pad resulting in the loss of the vehicle and its payload. Per standard procedure, the pad was clear and there were no injuries." And it's payload? Well shit, so much for the early reports, lost entire rocket, playload and damaged pad. Not good, the rocket alone is over 60 million, the satellites are usually in the same ballpark, the launch pad may be cheaper though, I'm guessing 150-200 million in losses. Glad I'm not their insurer. I doubt any company would write policy would they? Every commercial payload I have ever been involved with carries insurance. I would laugh my ass off if Zuckerberg chose to not do so (which I highly doubt). |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 12:53:17 PM EDT
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Sad for SpaceX, but fuck Facebook. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 12:55:33 PM EDT
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The company I work for makes a few parts for it as well. Kinda the same things going on here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Company I work for makes valves that are on that rocket. Needless to say, everyone here is holding their breath... The company I work for makes a few parts for it as well. Kinda the same things going on here. 
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Posted: 9/1/2016 12:56:48 PM EDT
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That would certainly make it go boom. Although, they previously said it was a pad issue not a rocket issue, I guess we'll have to see. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Activities around T-3:00 for a Falcon 9: T-0:03:40 TEA-TEB Ignition System Activation T-0:03:30 Strongback Retraction complete T-0:03:25 Flight Termination System to Internal Power T-0:03:05 Flight Termination System Armed T-0:03:00 LOX Topping Termination T-0:03:00 Strongback Securing complete T-0:02:45 Fuel Trim Valve to Flight Position ...so, it went "BOOM" about the time that they turned on the thing that's supposed to make it go "BOOM" if things go wonky? Interesting. That would certainly make it go boom. Although, they previously said it was a pad issue not a rocket issue, I guess we'll have to see. I wonder if the Flight Termination System (FTS) is even enabled during a static firing. Maybe it is just in case the rocket launches unexpectedly. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 12:58:42 PM EDT
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Brandon ?@HipeRFin 6 minutes ago Looking at the current state of the strongback, an explosion occurred at the 2nd stage before total RUD. That is VERY interesting. What does "RUD" stand for? Rapid Uscheduled Dissasembly |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 1:00:13 PM EDT
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So something happened that popped the rocket with the Israeli satcom payload on it? I get that rockets are finicky creatures, but that seems a little fucky. North Korea. contracted by Iranians. basterds. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 1:02:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if the Flight Termination System (FTS) is even enabled during a static firing. Maybe it is just in case the rocket launches unexpectedly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Activities around T-3:00 for a Falcon 9: T-0:03:40 TEA-TEB Ignition System Activation T-0:03:30 Strongback Retraction complete T-0:03:25 Flight Termination System to Internal Power T-0:03:05 Flight Termination System Armed T-0:03:00 LOX Topping Termination T-0:03:00 Strongback Securing complete T-0:02:45 Fuel Trim Valve to Flight Position ...so, it went "BOOM" about the time that they turned on the thing that's supposed to make it go "BOOM" if things go wonky? Interesting. That would certainly make it go boom. Although, they previously said it was a pad issue not a rocket issue, I guess we'll have to see. I wonder if the Flight Termination System (FTS) is even enabled during a static firing. Maybe it is just in case the rocket launches unexpectedly. I would imagine their static fires are a full up dress rehearsal including everything on a launch with the exception of the hold downs releasing. Fueling the second stage also tests the second stage and your pad RP-1 and LOX systems to make sure they can fuel both stages quickly enough and at a low enough temperature needed for an actual launch. Could be wrong, I'm no rocket scientist, just a lowely engineer |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 1:07:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2016 1:10:47 PM EDT
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Well I'm waiting for the video to be released.
There is always video. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 1:13:30 PM EDT
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I would imagine their static fires are a full up dress rehearsal including everything on a launch with the exception of the hold downs releasing. Fueling the second stage also tests the second stage and your pad RP-1 and LOX systems to make sure they can fuel both stages quickly enough and at a low enough temperature needed for an actual launch. Could be wrong, I'm no rocket scientist, just a lowely engineer
The good thing is that everything should be recorded to hopefully include video of the rocket from multiple angles. Given that, they may well identify and resolve the issue soon. How this will impact the Falcon 9 launch schedule is unknown since you really can't rule out a launcher problem yet and I do not know if they have another launch pad that can be used soon. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 1:16:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Too bad Zuckerberg wasn't on it. +1 |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 1:18:12 PM EDT
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The only reason I'm laughing is because nobody was hurt, except for Zuckerberg's satellite.
Fuck him with a buick. Sideways. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 1:19:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The good thing is that everything should be recorded to hopefully include video of the rocket from multiple angles. Given that, they may well identify and resolve the issue soon. How this will impact the Falcon 9 launch schedule is unknown since you really can't rule out a launcher problem yet and I do not know if they have another launch pad that can be used soon. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I would imagine their static fires are a full up dress rehearsal including everything on a launch with the exception of the hold downs releasing. Fueling the second stage also tests the second stage and your pad RP-1 and LOX systems to make sure they can fuel both stages quickly enough and at a low enough temperature needed for an actual launch. Could be wrong, I'm no rocket scientist, just a lowely engineer The good thing is that everything should be recorded to hopefully include video of the rocket from multiple angles. Given that, they may well identify and resolve the issue soon. How this will impact the Falcon 9 launch schedule is unknown since you really can't rule out a launcher problem yet and I do not know if they have another launch pad that can be used soon. With as much data as they collect I would imagine someone somewhere has a very good idea what caused the RUD and just needs some time to get the data together to prove it. 39A should be ready soon. They were slated to launch from it this fall. If it truly is a pad problem and not a rocket problem I would imagine we will see a quick return to flight as they can also launch from Vandenburg and have several upcoming launches slated to fly from SLC-4E there. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 1:21:50 PM EDT
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Has anyone blamed Bush yet?
Because I blame Bush. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 1:25:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2016 1:30:10 PM EDT
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The only reason I'm laughing is because nobody was hurt, except for Zuckerberg's satellite. Fuck him with a buick. Sideways. My current understanding is that the satellite belongs to Spacecom...which may be an Israeli entity. One website states that Spacecom was sold to a possible Chinese company in August 2016. Facebook apparently leased some of the transponders on the satellite. No guarantee of the accuracy of these comments. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 1:31:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My current understanding is that the satellite belongs to Spacecom...which may be an Israeli entity. One website states that Spacecom was sold to a possible Chinese company in August 2016. Facebook apparently leased some of the transponders on the satellite. No guarantee of the accuracy of these comments. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The only reason I'm laughing is because nobody was hurt, except for Zuckerberg's satellite. Fuck him with a buick. Sideways. My current understanding is that the satellite belongs to Spacecom...which may be an Israeli entity. One website states that Spacecom was sold to a possible Chinese company in August 2016. Facebook apparently leased some of the transponders on the satellite. No guarantee of the accuracy of these comments. Per an article posted here earlier the sale was pending the successful entry of this satellite into service. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 1:33:26 PM EDT
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Facebook's 150 million gbp satellite blew up.
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Posted: 9/1/2016 1:33:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes that's what is being acknowledged. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Poor Mark Z My info states that it was an Israeli payload. Yes that's what is being acknowledged. I used to believe that you just can't make this shit up....but he can.  |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 1:35:05 PM EDT
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39A should be ready soon. They were slated to launch from it this fall. If it truly is a pad problem and not a rocket problem I would imagine we will see a quick return to flight as they can also launch from Vandenburg and have several upcoming launches slated to fly from SLC-4E there. Of course you know that Vandenberg is primarily for polar orbiting spacecraft. It is not useable for satellites like lost in this event going to geosynchronous orbit. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 1:37:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course you know that Vandenberg is primarily for polar orbiting spacecraft. It is not useable for satellites like lost in this event going to geosynchronous orbit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 39A should be ready soon. They were slated to launch from it this fall. If it truly is a pad problem and not a rocket problem I would imagine we will see a quick return to flight as they can also launch from Vandenburg and have several upcoming launches slated to fly from SLC-4E there. Of course you know that Vandenberg is primarily for polar orbiting spacecraft. It is not useable for satellites like lost in this event going to geosynchronous orbit. Yes, was just pointing out we could see a quick RTF, not that Vandy could be used for all launches until SLC-40 is fixed. |
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Posted: 9/1/2016 1:41:55 PM EDT
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video, the explosion is at 1:11
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