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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:54:03 AM EDT
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And I give you our second nominee. Come on Hugo you know what was meant by that. Go ahead and explain to me how it is "A Responsibility" of officers to "kill badguys". As it was phrased, it would seem to be a line item in their annual review. Because it's safer to the public for us to shoot him than hug him? That's True! But we both know shooting doesn't equal KILLING. You shoot to stop them. The phrasing implied that an anchor shot ala Oklahoma Pharmacist is your responsibility. Wrong we shoot to kill. I haven't been to Shooting firearms out hands training yet. Gotta disagree with you on your nomenclature... SHOOT TO STOP THE THREAT. Center of Mass. Death is sometimes a byproduct if this is correctly administered. K I shoot to kill, living is a byproduct of this if not correctly administrated. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:54:06 AM EDT
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I wear 5.11 TDU's and I'm not SWAT.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:54:56 AM EDT
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My Grandfather was a Tacticool Texas Ranger and the dude was a bad ass. Seriously bad ass. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/austinbelair/Ranger%20Museum/Beard1.jpg So badass they put their muzzles in the dirt. So bad ass that they knew the backdrop was a piece of canvas, inside a building. No dirt muzzles. In a bar http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/austinbelair/Random/tb011.jpg And his posse http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/austinbelair/Random/tb204.jpg Great old pics. You have any more? My Grandmother has hundreds of pics from that era at her house. I sift through them all the time when I am over there. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:56:36 AM EDT
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Kitty is resisting in this illustration. Probably a sovereign citizen. I've yet to meet the cat that wasn't a SovereignCitizen. I recognize the need for swat. They do seem to use it a bit much though. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:57:13 AM EDT
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I wear 5.11 TDU's and I'm not SWAT. Guess I shouldn't wear pants at work? Not a cop and I must have 30 pairs of pants with cargo pockets. SOME even have legs that zip off turning them in shorts. 
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:57:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:57:26 AM EDT
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Morale patches won't be far behind. My supervisor passes those out when he writes up ositive perfromance evaluations. Next you'll say challenge coins can't be far behind. Are pictograms on squad cars (like fighter planes) considered tacky? 
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:57:43 AM EDT
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Those ain't cops, they're soldiers in Class B uniforms. The dumbasses that complain about "military style uniforms" don't realize that the traditional police uniforms are copied after Class A and Class B military uniforms. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:57:54 AM EDT
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I wear 5.11 TDU's and I'm not SWAT. Guess I shouldn't wear pants at work? Yes...clearly this would make the citizenry more comfortable. Also remember that is has been suggested that the average man or woman on the street prefers copious amounts of wood to be displayed. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:57:55 AM EDT
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Let me see if I am understanding this right, we are complaining about someone owning and using weapons that we all believe we have the right to own? Even if it is the Gov't. Hypocrisy,it does exist'
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:58:09 AM EDT
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How is deadly force by a LEO different than deadly force by an armed citizen?
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:59:18 AM EDT
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My Grandfather was a Tacticool Texas Ranger and the dude was a bad ass. Seriously bad ass. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/austinbelair/Ranger%20Museum/Beard1.jpg So badass they put their muzzles in the dirt. So bad ass that they knew the backdrop was a piece of canvas, inside a building. No dirt muzzles. In a bar http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/austinbelair/Random/tb011.jpg And his posse http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/austinbelair/Random/tb204.jpg Great old pics. You have any more? My Grandmother has hundreds of pics from that era at her house. I sift through them all the time when I am over there. That's awesome. You should have them put on a disk (to save them) and start a thread posting the pics. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:59:25 AM EDT
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As long as I get the same toys I don't care.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:59:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:59:59 AM EDT
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I wear 5.11 TDU's and I'm not SWAT. Guess I shouldn't wear pants at work? Hell we should go naked. I have learned that this is........frowned upon........by our management. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:00:16 AM EDT
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You know what.... Fuck it... I'm changing into my fucking SRT uni. That will make me want to go out and tear some shit up... Civil rights? NOT WHEN I HAVE CARGO POCKETS!!!!! I'm not puttin anything in there either...I may not even button that shit up, just leave em open for everyone to SEE that I have ....FUCKING CARGO POCKETS !!!!! IT'S ALL FUCKING CARGO POCKETS .... and to a lesser extent...TRAUMA KITS....   I'm telling you that velcro is a sneaky M'Fr too. Don't forget the velcro. It's all about that sound it makes. When they rrrrrip open that velcro pocket, It's like they're ripping the Constitution. 
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:01:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wear 5.11 TDU's and I'm not SWAT. Guess I shouldn't wear pants at work? Hell we should go naked. I have learned that this is........frowned upon........by our management. Sounds like a fun story. Did it involve being sober?  |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:01:49 AM EDT
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I wear 5.11 TDU's and I'm not SWAT. Guess I shouldn't wear pants at work? Hell we should go naked. No more jumping chain link fences for me. I just pictured me lying on the ground with my nuts still attached to the top of the fence. Shiver. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:02:00 AM EDT
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Employment of deadly force by a LEO as mentioned below
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And I give you our second nominee. Come on Hugo you know what was meant by that. Go ahead and explain to me how it is "A Responsibility" of officers to "kill badguys". As it was phrased, it would seem to be a line item in their annual review. It's been done. Go back and read. I love when pedantic people make a stink out of a minor point and then pretend they are very clever. I think most adults in the room understand that part of what a cop does is employ deadly force, and that force could involve killing people. I suppose I was mistaken. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:02:04 AM EDT
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My issue is actually Very Simple I honestly believe that Police Officers should look like Police Officers Yet you've given no reasoning or validation for this viewpoint other than it's what you feel is right. I just Did a quick poll of Joe Q Public at work and ......... Yep, Cops should look like Cops and not Military (and as they added) "because they have a different role" |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:03:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:03:33 AM EDT
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You know what.... Fuck it... I'm changing into my fucking SRT uni. That will make me want to go out and tear some shit up... Civil rights? NOT WHEN I HAVE CARGO POCKETS!!!!! I'm not puttin anything in there either...I may not even button that shit up, just leave em open for everyone to SEE that I have ....FUCKING CARGO POCKETS !!!!! IT'S ALL FUCKING CARGO POCKETS .... and to a lesser extent...TRAUMA KITS.... I'm telling you that velcro is a sneaky M'Fr too. Don't forget the velcro. It's all about that sound it makes. When they rrrrrip open that velcro pocket, It's like they're ripping the Constitution.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:05:28 AM EDT
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Ever see a D.O.T. Enforcement wearing full 5.11 gear? Holy crap.....comfortable pants with pockets. The humanity! Dress blue double-knit polyester for the sake of society! No joke. Yeah, lets wear a class "A" uniform thats going to get ruined from crawling around trucks. Then he would be crying about his tax dollars being used to replace said pricey class "a" uniforms. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:07:43 AM EDT
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My issue is actually Very Simple I honestly believe that Police Officers should look like Police Officers Yet you've given no reasoning or validation for this viewpoint other than it's what you feel is right. I just Dis a quick poll of Joe Q Public at work and ......... Yep, Cops should look like Cops and not Military (and as they added) "because they have a different role" 
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:08:58 AM EDT
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I wear 5.11 TDU's and I'm not SWAT. Guess I shouldn't wear pants at work? Hell we should go naked. I have learned that this is........frowned upon........by our management. Sounds like a fun story. Did it involve being sober?
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:10:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:10:16 AM EDT
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Nice. Only problem is it was to fast paced. I'm old and I think I might have busted a hip. Anything slower Suck it up, gramps.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:10:45 AM EDT
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My issue is actually Very Simple I honestly believe that Police Officers should look like Police Officers Yet you've given no reasoning or validation for this viewpoint other than it's what you feel is right. I just Dis a quick poll of Joe Q Public at work and ......... Yep, Cops should look like Cops and not Military (and as they added) "because they have a different role" I just did quick poll with my family. They'd like me to be able to do my job and come home afterwards. Hmmm fuck your coworkers. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:11:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:11:22 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My issue is actually Very Simple I honestly believe that Police Officers should look like Police Officers Yet you've given no reasoning or validation for this viewpoint other than it's what you feel is right. I just Dis a quick poll of Joe Q Public at work and ......... Yep, Cops should look like Cops and not Military (and as they added) "because they have a different role" I just did quick pole with my family. They'd like me to be able to do my job and come home afterwards. Hmmm fuck your coworkers. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:12:51 AM EDT
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I wear 5.11 TDU's and I'm not SWAT. Guess I shouldn't wear pants at work? Hell we should go naked. Only if you sit next to me.. 
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:13:41 AM EDT
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My issue is actually Very Simple I honestly believe that Police Officers should look like Police Officers Yet you've given no reasoning or validation for this viewpoint other than it's what you feel is right. I just Dis a quick poll of Joe Q Public at work and ......... Yep, Cops should look like Cops and not Military (and as they added) "because they have a different role" I just did quick pole with my family. They'd like me to be able to do my job and come home afterwards. Hmmm fuck your coworkers.
Interestingly I also did a quick poll of my circle of friends. Turns out not one of them is retarded enough to confuse a police officer with a member of The Big Red One. Mr Harry's co-workers may or may not be able to duplicate this in their study. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:13:55 AM EDT
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My issue is actually Very Simple I honestly believe that Police Officers should look like Police Officers Yet you've given no reasoning or validation for this viewpoint other than it's what you feel is right. I just Dis a quick poll of Joe Q Public at work and ......... Yep, Cops should look like Cops and not Military (and as they added) "because they have a different role" I just did quick pole with my family. They'd like me to be able to do my job and come home afterwards. Hmmm fuck your coworkers.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:17:55 AM EDT
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Nope we haven't. Hell I still wear a metal badge pinned to a hot ass polyester shirt. The same shirt that cost what 3 5.11 embroided shirts cost. Eh. Well marked polo shirts actually make nice, professional looking, uniforms. So just what do you guys keep in your cargo pockets that would be lost if you went with non-pocketed pants? At last! Someone finally admits that it is th epockets they have a problem with. Maybe we should sew the pockets shut? Would that help some? (Mind you, we are still traditional wool/poly dress pants with cotton/poly powder blue shirts down here.) As it turns out I don't have a problem with cargo pants (those being seperate from BDUs). I was actually curious as I can't stand having anything heavier than my wallet in a cargo pocket and was wondering what would be missing by not wearing them that makes officers blade at 45 degrees and scream "you will not touch my cargo pants". |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:19:29 AM EDT
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My issue is actually Very Simple I honestly believe that Police Officers should look like Police Officers Yet you've given no reasoning or validation for this viewpoint other than it's what you feel is right. I just Dis a quick poll of Joe Q Public at work and ......... Yep, Cops should look like Cops and not Military (and as they added) "because they have a different role" I just did quick poll with my family. They'd like me to be able to do my job and come home afterwards. Hmmm fuck your coworkers. So the pink helmet, vest & Hello Kitty AR are probably a no-go? JBT! 
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:21:34 AM EDT
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My issue is actually Very Simple I honestly believe that Police Officers should look like Police Officers Yet you've given no reasoning or validation for this viewpoint other than it's what you feel is right. I just Dis a quick poll of Joe Q Public at work and ......... Yep, Cops should look like Cops and not Military (and as they added) "because they have a different role" I just did quick pole with my family. They'd like me to be able to do my job and come home afterwards. Hmmm fuck your coworkers.
I'm sure his coworkers are experts on law enforcement. Well, i'm at home alone so I asked the parrot. He would NEVER wear pants and thinks he should trade his place in the cage with those co-workers.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:28:18 AM EDT
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You win this hand... my guy is a security guard. 
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:29:32 AM EDT
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My issue is actually Very Simple I honestly believe that Police Officers should look like Police Officers Yet you've given no reasoning or validation for this viewpoint other than it's what you feel is right. I just Dis a quick poll of Joe Q Public at work and ......... Yep, Cops should look like Cops and not Military (and as they added) "because they have a different role" I just did quick poll with my family. They'd like me to be able to do my job and come home afterwards. Hmmm fuck your coworkers. So the pink helmet, vest & Hello Kitty AR are probably a no-go? JBT!
The pink rifke is going to be my new patrol rifle. Is it less deadly than the NFA rifle? 
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:34:42 AM EDT
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The pink rifke is going to be my new patrol rifle. Is it less deadly than the NFA rifle? Clearly. It has already been stated that civilians prefer the soothing tones of wood. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:37:04 AM EDT
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How is deadly force by a LEO different than deadly force by an armed citizen? Just curious. By actual wording, no different. By implementation / in practice- world's apart in terms of who gets away with what. Fact. 4073 |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:38:00 AM EDT
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My issue is actually Very Simple I honestly believe that Police Officers should look like Police Officers Yet you've given no reasoning or validation for this viewpoint other than it's what you feel is right. I just Dis a quick poll of Joe Q Public at work and ......... Yep, Cops should look like Cops and not Military (and as they added) "because they have a different role" I just did quick poll with my family. They'd like me to be able to do my job and come home afterwards. Hmmm fuck your coworkers. So the pink helmet, vest & Hello Kitty AR are probably a no-go? JBT!
The pink rifke is going to be my new patrol rifle. Is it less deadly than the NFA rifle? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/mototard/502.jpg Shoots out marshmallows, right? |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:41:46 AM EDT
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My issue is actually Very Simple I honestly believe that Police Officers should look like Police Officers Yet you've given no reasoning or validation for this viewpoint other than it's what you feel is right. I just Dis a quick poll of Joe Q Public at work and ......... Yep, Cops should look like Cops and not Military (and as they added) "because they have a different role" I just did quick poll with my family. They'd like me to be able to do my job and come home afterwards. Hmmm fuck your coworkers. Nice attitude from a PUBLIC SERVANT |
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First: Because it would Vastly improve the public's view and remove much of the US and Them mentality. Wrong and wrong. The us vs them mentality was at is height in the 'good old days'. The public likes to feel safe. They feel more safe when we have badass toys. Don't speak for ALL of us "public" now. How about 'most sheep'? Better. Thank you for clearing that up. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:42:32 AM EDT
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My issue is actually Very Simple I honestly believe that Police Officers should look like Police Officers Yet you've given no reasoning or validation for this viewpoint other than it's what you feel is right. I just Dis a quick poll of Joe Q Public at work and ......... Yep, Cops should look like Cops and not Military (and as they added) "because they have a different role" I just did quick poll with my family. They'd like me to be able to do my job and come home afterwards. Hmmm fuck your coworkers. So the pink helmet, vest & Hello Kitty AR are probably a no-go? JBT!
The pink rifke is going to be my new patrol rifle. Is it less deadly than the NFA rifle? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/mototard/502.jpg Shoots out marshmallows, right? Gumdrops, marshmallows are less than lethal. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:42:46 AM EDT
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And I give you our second nominee. Come on Hugo you know what was meant by that. Go ahead and explain to me how it is "A Responsibility" of officers to "kill badguys". As it was phrased, it would seem to be a line item in their annual review. Because it's safer to the public for us to shoot him than hug him? That's True! But we both know shooting doesn't equal KILLING. You shoot to stop them. The phrasing implied that an anchor shot ala Oklahoma Pharmacist is your responsibility. Wrong we shoot to kill. I haven't been to Shooting firearms out hands training yet. Gotta disagree with you on your nomenclature... SHOOT TO STOP THE THREAT. Center of Mass. Death is sometimes a byproduct if this is correctly administered. K I shoot to kill, living is a byproduct of this if not correctly administrated. So, In your report, you write " I shot to kill "? Not something along the lines of " I continued to fire until I deemed the threat of great bodily harm or death was stopped" ? You would really put " I shot to kill" in your report? REALLY? REALLY? I will edit to add that I have been in LE going on 23 years now, and NEVER have I heard or seen anywhere that would be ok with "shoot to kill" wording. Or is it part of any lethal force training that I have ever attended, seen, heard of or taught. NEVER. Please tell me you are being cheeky...for my own state of mind. |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:46:00 AM EDT
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My issue is actually Very Simple I honestly believe that Police Officers should look like Police Officers Yet you've given no reasoning or validation for this viewpoint other than it's what you feel is right. I just Dis a quick poll of Joe Q Public at work and ......... Yep, Cops should look like Cops and not Military (and as they added) "because they have a different role" I just did quick poll with my family. They'd like me to be able to do my job and come home afterwards. Hmmm fuck your coworkers. Nice attitude from a PUBLIC SERVANT Weird. Only time I ever get called a 'public servant' or hear the phrase "you work for me" are from people I am ticketing or arresting...
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:51:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:51:42 AM EDT
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Meaning what? The LEO has a more lenient standard to employ lethal force or the citizen does. Keep in mind the force continuum and training received by each.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:51:43 AM EDT
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My issue is actually Very Simple I honestly believe that Police Officers should look like Police Officers Yet you've given no reasoning or validation for this viewpoint other than it's what you feel is right. I just Dis a quick poll of Joe Q Public at work and ......... Yep, Cops should look like Cops and not Military (and as they added) "because they have a different role" I just did quick poll with my family. They'd like me to be able to do my job and come home afterwards. Hmmm fuck your coworkers. Nice attitude from a PUBLIC SERVANT Your welcome. Spew BS what did you expect? If your intimidated by pockets and or military style uniforms ( which almost all police uniforms are a copy of) Why should I care what hurts your tender little feelings. It's stupid. Dirty cops is one issues. This thread is about a freaking functioning uniform that makes my job easier/safer. I don't let a carpenter's or electrician's tool belt bother me and I've seen lots of people killed with a hammer and screw driver! |
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Posted: 10/1/2012 8:52:09 AM EDT
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After reeding sum of the replys in the thred. I am going to leaf this heir.
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