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Posted: 9/7/2015 6:32:50 PM EDT
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Species 8472? Species 8472, please pick up the white courtesy phone.
Species 8472>Borg Cubes>Federation. My money is on the illegal aliens from fluidic space. Chris |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 6:37:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2015 6:45:14 PM EDT
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 I prefer not to mix my Star Wars and Star Treks. It just seems WRONG to have to chose between Hans Solo and the new Captain Kirk. And it is also a weapon thing for me as well. I mean a phaser verses a LIGHT SABER and the FORCE??? Please... |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 6:46:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://i.imgur.com/GJe3LEq.jpg ship size comparison. I think a better fight would be the empire vs the borg. This is what would happen to all the planets in the federation. Huge fleet of star destroyers hyperspace into orbit and turn them into glass. http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090821035107/starwars/images/3/3c/PlanetaryBombardment-SWGTCG.jpg  |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 6:49:46 PM EDT
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Empire all day Yup. |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 6:58:27 PM EDT
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Empire would crush the fucking Federation  plus before anyone mentions it (tl;dr: stormtroopers only missed when they were commanded to. They raped rebel ass all other times)
http://i.imgur.com/w5MHii8.jpg 
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Posted: 9/7/2015 7:21:02 PM EDT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFCBwob65Nw
Star Wars is fantasy and all about action, magical powers, glowing swords and war. Star Trek is science fiction based around philosophy, real-life science, politics and exploring. |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 8:16:19 PM EDT
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Species 8472? Species 8472, please pick up the white courtesy phone. Species 8472>Borg Cubes>Federation. My money is on the illegal aliens from fluidic space. Chris 8472 simply did so much damage, mechanically, to the cubes that they could never adapt. The Borg also fucking suck at tactics. |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 8:19:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 8472 simply did so much damage, mechanically, to the cubes that they could never adapt. The Borg also fucking suck at tactics. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Species 8472? Species 8472, please pick up the white courtesy phone. Species 8472>Borg Cubes>Federation. My money is on the illegal aliens from fluidic space. Chris 8472 simply did so much damage, mechanically, to the cubes that they could never adapt. The Borg also fucking suck at tactics. Cylons would handle that shit with a quickness. But they would have no defense against Federation negotiators. It's a rock/paper/scissors kind of thing. |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 9:00:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote History1: The Turbolasers of Star Wars have nothing in common with lasers. Not a damned thing. 2: Ignoring that, Star Trek of full of fucking shit. The laws of thermodynamics do not allow you to pull a "space magic" card and simply claim that a certain type of direct energy weapon is completely ineffective. The energy must go somewhere and efficiencies are never perfect. At some power level, any defense will fail. Physics, bitch. Star Wars is fantasy and all about action, magical powers, glowing swords and war. Star Trek is science fiction based around philosophy, real-life science, politics and exploring. Star Trek is not actual science fiction in any way and is not based on actual science at all (see above disregard for the laws of thermodynamics). It's techno-babble-magic with shitty writing. |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 9:12:22 PM EDT
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Eco hippie humanitarian outreach ships vs star star destroyers?
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Posted: 9/7/2015 9:14:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1: The Turbolasers of Star Wars have nothing in common with lasers. Not a damned thing. 2: Ignoring that, Star Trek of full of fucking shit. The laws of thermodynamics do not allow you to pull a "space magic" card and simply claim that a certain type of direct energy weapon is completely ineffective. The energy must go somewhere and efficiencies are never perfect. At some power level, any defense will fail. Physics, bitch. Star Trek is not actual science fiction in any way and is not based on actual science at all (see above disregard for the laws of thermodynamics). It's techno-babble-magic with shitty writing. Quote HistoryQuoted: 1: The Turbolasers of Star Wars have nothing in common with lasers. Not a damned thing. 2: Ignoring that, Star Trek of full of fucking shit. The laws of thermodynamics do not allow you to pull a "space magic" card and simply claim that a certain type of direct energy weapon is completely ineffective. The energy must go somewhere and efficiencies are never perfect. At some power level, any defense will fail. Physics, bitch. Star Wars is fantasy and all about action, magical powers, glowing swords and war. Star Trek is science fiction based around philosophy, real-life science, politics and exploring. Star Trek is not actual science fiction in any way and is not based on actual science at all (see above disregard for the laws of thermodynamics). It's techno-babble-magic with shitty writing. This. ST is Science Fantasy, and fairly thinly veiled political commentary. SW is fantasy, too, mind you. SW defies reality in many ways, but for different reasons, and with less conceit. There isn't so much of an emphasis on political views in SW, so much as there is deference to the ancient tales of good and evil, temptation and salvation. SW works hard to tell us the old fairy tales of warriors and wizards in a shiny, neon galaxy. ST busies itself with teaching us 'lessons' at the expense of story and continuity. But you gotta admit, 'turbolasers' are a BS retcon in response to ST fans smirking at 'lasers'. "Well, we Got TURBO lasers!" EU has it's fair share of fanboi one-upmanship, too. |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 9:17:38 PM EDT
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1: The Turbolasers of Star Wars have nothing in common with lasers. Not a damned thing. 2: Ignoring that, Star Trek of full of fucking shit. The laws of thermodynamics do not allow you to pull a "space magic" card and simply claim that a certain type of direct energy weapon is completely ineffective. The energy must go somewhere and efficiencies are never perfect. At some power level, any defense will fail. Physics, bitch. Star Trek is not actual science fiction in any way and is not based on actual science at all (see above disregard for the laws of thermodynamics). It's techno-babble-magic with shitty writing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
1: The Turbolasers of Star Wars have nothing in common with lasers. Not a damned thing. 2: Ignoring that, Star Trek of full of fucking shit. The laws of thermodynamics do not allow you to pull a "space magic" card and simply claim that a certain type of direct energy weapon is completely ineffective. The energy must go somewhere and efficiencies are never perfect. At some power level, any defense will fail. Physics, bitch. Star Wars is fantasy and all about action, magical powers, glowing swords and war. Star Trek is science fiction based around philosophy, real-life science, politics and exploring. Star Trek is not actual science fiction in any way and is not based on actual science at all (see above disregard for the laws of thermodynamics). It's techno-babble-magic with shitty writing. If you thought the science was bad in Star Trek, wait till you see Star Wars. |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 9:32:59 PM EDT
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Star Trek sucks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Empire all day Star Trek sucks. Ehhh, I wouldn't say it sucked but it wasn't as entertaining as Star Wars. |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 9:33:59 PM EDT
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A better fight would be the Empire vs. the Covenant.
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Posted: 9/7/2015 9:35:08 PM EDT
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A better fight would be the Empire vs. the Covenant. Would an energy sword be effective against a light saber? |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 10:09:06 PM EDT
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Wasn't that bad.... especially the whole glassing San Francisco and turning it inti a nuclear wasteland. Why would you want san fran glassed? |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 10:24:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A better fight would be the Empire vs. the Covenant. For the Empire, the Covenant is a regional issue for a Sector Moff to deal with. Hell, I think the Corporate Sector Authority can invade the Federation or the Covenant and not have an issue. Even the Hapan Empire can and they're aren't anywhere near the scope and size of the CSA or the Empire. Star Wars Galaxy  Star Trek Galaxy  So on that note..... Time to kick the tires and light the fires.      |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 10:25:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would you want san fran glassed? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wasn't that bad.... especially the whole glassing San Francisco and turning it inti a nuclear wasteland. Why would you want san fran glassed? |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 10:26:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would an energy sword be effective against a light saber? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A better fight would be the Empire vs. the Covenant. Would an energy sword be effective against a light saber? |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 10:50:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2015 11:04:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That would be interesting but even then I think the Covenant would lose big time. Once again, the Empire spans the majority of the entire Galaxy while the Covenant is made up primarily of five different species and spent something like thirty years trying to conquer the UEG/UNSC which was far less in tech than the Federation and was probably similar in size to the Federation. For the Empire, the Covenant is a regional issue for a Sector Moff to deal with. Hell, I think the Corporate Sector Authority can invade the Federation or the Covenant and not have an issue. Even the Hapan Empire can and they're aren't anywhere near the scope and size of the CSA or the Empire. Star Wars Galaxy http://img15.deviantart.net/bcce/i/2015/115/8/7/star_wars____galaxy_map_with_bg_by_offeye-d4y2cum.png Star Trek Galaxy http://pre03.deviantart.net/9597/th/pre/f/2007/308/7/8/star_trek_unity_one_map_wp_by_joran_belar.jpg So on that note..... Time to kick the tires and light the fires. http://40.media.tumblr.com/5cb1296d9cd097f766ddd4ab944bf4b8/tumblr_nhmpbp5T6a1tp22cko1_1280.jpg http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_map9feCM8C1r3co2jo1_500.gif http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_map9feCM8C1r3co2jo2_500.gif http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140828132709/deathbattlefanon/images/7/76/Star_wars_darth_vader_galactic_empire_imperial_army_1280x800_68053.jpg http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/4/40/Monument_Plaza_Mutiny.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150730045412 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A better fight would be the Empire vs. the Covenant. For the Empire, the Covenant is a regional issue for a Sector Moff to deal with. Hell, I think the Corporate Sector Authority can invade the Federation or the Covenant and not have an issue. Even the Hapan Empire can and they're aren't anywhere near the scope and size of the CSA or the Empire. Star Wars Galaxy http://img15.deviantart.net/bcce/i/2015/115/8/7/star_wars____galaxy_map_with_bg_by_offeye-d4y2cum.png Star Trek Galaxy http://pre03.deviantart.net/9597/th/pre/f/2007/308/7/8/star_trek_unity_one_map_wp_by_joran_belar.jpg So on that note..... Time to kick the tires and light the fires. http://40.media.tumblr.com/5cb1296d9cd097f766ddd4ab944bf4b8/tumblr_nhmpbp5T6a1tp22cko1_1280.jpg http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_map9feCM8C1r3co2jo1_500.gif http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_map9feCM8C1r3co2jo2_500.gif http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140828132709/deathbattlefanon/images/7/76/Star_wars_darth_vader_galactic_empire_imperial_army_1280x800_68053.jpg http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/4/40/Monument_Plaza_Mutiny.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150730045412 The argument that the Empire controls more space than, say, the Federation is not really valid. Perhaps the Empire's enemies are much weaker than the Klingons, Romulans, et al, and are more easily crushed. Their power is only relative to their opposition. It tells us nothing of how they would fare against others when we have never seen their enemies matched against one another. |
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Posted: 9/7/2015 11:19:37 PM EDT
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So his brain is incapable of producing non-retarded dialogue? I remember watching a documentary about the original Star Wars, how the entire cast figured it was going to bomb. Carrie Fisher went off on a major rant about how awful the script was, how no human actually speaks the way they do in Star Wars. George Lucas can't write dialogue for shit. "I hate sand." I swear Lucas has never had an actual conversation with fellow human beings. |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 5:52:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The argument that the Empire controls more space than, say, the Federation is not really valid. Perhaps the Empire's enemies are much weaker than the Klingons, Romulans, et al, and are more easily crushed. Their power is only relative to their opposition. It tells us nothing of how they would fare against others when we have never seen their enemies matched against one another. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A better fight would be the Empire vs. the Covenant. For the Empire, the Covenant is a regional issue for a Sector Moff to deal with. Hell, I think the Corporate Sector Authority can invade the Federation or the Covenant and not have an issue. Even the Hapan Empire can and they're aren't anywhere near the scope and size of the CSA or the Empire. Star Wars Galaxy http://img15.deviantart.net/bcce/i/2015/115/8/7/star_wars____galaxy_map_with_bg_by_offeye-d4y2cum.png Star Trek Galaxy http://pre03.deviantart.net/9597/th/pre/f/2007/308/7/8/star_trek_unity_one_map_wp_by_joran_belar.jpg So on that note..... Time to kick the tires and light the fires. http://40.media.tumblr.com/5cb1296d9cd097f766ddd4ab944bf4b8/tumblr_nhmpbp5T6a1tp22cko1_1280.jpg http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_map9feCM8C1r3co2jo1_500.gif http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_map9feCM8C1r3co2jo2_500.gif http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140828132709/deathbattlefanon/images/7/76/Star_wars_darth_vader_galactic_empire_imperial_army_1280x800_68053.jpg http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/4/40/Monument_Plaza_Mutiny.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150730045412 The argument that the Empire controls more space than, say, the Federation is not really valid. Perhaps the Empire's enemies are much weaker than the Klingons, Romulans, et al, and are more easily crushed. Their power is only relative to their opposition. It tells us nothing of how they would fare against others when we have never seen their enemies matched against one another. Also that tech isn't limited to the Imperial Government but your average citizen has that ability. |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 5:55:51 AM EDT
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The empire was defeated by Ewokes and teenagers. Federation FTW.
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Posted: 9/8/2015 5:58:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The empire was defeated by Ewokes and teenagers. Federation FTW. |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 6:47:58 AM EDT
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Empire kept fighting for years after that and the rebellion still never succeeded in defeating them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The empire was defeated by Ewokes and teenagers. Federation FTW. Nope, the rules state when Empower Palatine died, the rebels won. Didn't you see the Robot Chicken Star Wars Episode. Finally found it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAOX_CHU0JY |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 7:32:00 AM EDT
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lol, NERDS!!!
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Posted: 9/8/2015 8:15:46 AM EDT
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day one....
empire places jar jar binks in shuttle and drops him off at federation HQ... day two... federation surrenders and pleads for mercy. begs empire to pick him up. |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 8:21:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: day one.... empire places jar jar binks in shuttle and drops him off at federation HQ... day two... federation surrenders and pleads for mercy. begs empire to pick him up. |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 8:22:00 AM EDT
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Damn, I thought this was a conversation about the video game Elite Dangerous...
Either way, Empire in both aspects. |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 8:24:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The empire was defeated by Ewokes and teenagers. Federation FTW. The Empire lasted into the Fel Empire which was 130+ years after the Battle of Yavin.  |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 8:31:06 AM EDT
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Worse.... they build a clone army of him and have him gonto every Federation outpost, space station, planet, and moon. By he end of it, the Federation kills itself. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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day one.... empire places jar jar binks in shuttle and drops him off at federation HQ... day two... federation surrenders and pleads for mercy. begs empire to pick him up. even the empire is not that cruel. |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 8:38:13 AM EDT
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That would be interesting but even then I think the Covenant would lose big time. Once again, the Empire spans the majority of the entire Galaxy while the Covenant is made up primarily of five different species and spent something like thirty years trying to conquer the UEG/UNSC which was far less in tech than the Federation and was probably similar in size to the Federation. For the Empire, the Covenant is a regional issue for a Sector Moff to deal with. Hell, I think the Corporate Sector Authority can invade the Federation or the Covenant and not have an issue. Even the Hapan Empire can and they're aren't anywhere near the scope and size of the CSA or the Empire. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A better fight would be the Empire vs. the Covenant. For the Empire, the Covenant is a regional issue for a Sector Moff to deal with. Hell, I think the Corporate Sector Authority can invade the Federation or the Covenant and not have an issue. Even the Hapan Empire can and they're aren't anywhere near the scope and size of the CSA or the Empire. The Covenant destroyed every colony it came across, to the point that it glassed most unless there were ruins of importance. They would've crushed Earth if the schism hadn't happened and the Flood hadn't shown up. It was taking so long because they didn't know where the colonies were. The Covenant Armada is comparable to the Empire in terms of ship size and armament, the Brutes and Elites have personal shields and both have the ability to glass planets. At the point of ANH the Empire had grown rather complacent from lack of any real threats, so the Covenant showing up would've really hit them unprepared like the Vong did. |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 8:48:00 AM EDT
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Classic matchup: Star Wars vs Star Trek. I think the Federation has the technology edge in ship design. Possibly small arms too. Infantry sucks on both sides. The Empire has magic, I guess. Not sure about overall troop/equipment numbers or logistics. And I don't know how well the Empire's shields would hold up against photon torpedoes. And even if they did work, would they stop a transporter? They won't help much of the Enterprise just arms torpedoes and beams them to the bridge of a super star destroyer. My gut tells me Federation, but I want the Empire to win. So help me Arfcom GD, you're my only hope. Cage match fight to the death. James T Kirk vs Darth Vader. You know how it ends. |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 8:51:18 AM EDT
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Cage match fight to the death. James T Kirk vs Darth Vader. You know how it ends. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Classic matchup: Star Wars vs Star Trek. I think the Federation has the technology edge in ship design. Possibly small arms too. Infantry sucks on both sides. The Empire has magic, I guess. Not sure about overall troop/equipment numbers or logistics. And I don't know how well the Empire's shields would hold up against photon torpedoes. And even if they did work, would they stop a transporter? They won't help much of the Enterprise just arms torpedoes and beams them to the bridge of a super star destroyer. My gut tells me Federation, but I want the Empire to win. So help me Arfcom GD, you're my only hope. Cage match fight to the death. James T Kirk vs Darth Vader. You know how it ends. Kirk fucks a green Twi'lek? |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 8:53:09 AM EDT
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Kirk fucks a green Twi'lek? They make us all either cringe or laugh with corny dialogue?
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Posted: 9/8/2015 9:57:49 AM EDT
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vadar was never this good...
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Posted: 9/8/2015 10:20:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually size does play a part. If the Empire has the ability to project force from one end of the Galaxy to the other and do it quickly. That means their FTL and Comm tech is blindingly fast. The Federation is not but an Imperial Sector and it takes the Federation weeks to months to move from one end of thier territory to another. For the Empire that is hours. Also that tech isn't limited to the Imperial Government but your average citizen has that ability. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A better fight would be the Empire vs. the Covenant. For the Empire, the Covenant is a regional issue for a Sector Moff to deal with. Hell, I think the Corporate Sector Authority can invade the Federation or the Covenant and not have an issue. Even the Hapan Empire can and they're aren't anywhere near the scope and size of the CSA or the Empire. Star Wars Galaxy http://img15.deviantart.net/bcce/i/2015/115/8/7/star_wars____galaxy_map_with_bg_by_offeye-d4y2cum.png Star Trek Galaxy http://pre03.deviantart.net/9597/th/pre/f/2007/308/7/8/star_trek_unity_one_map_wp_by_joran_belar.jpg So on that note..... Time to kick the tires and light the fires. http://40.media.tumblr.com/5cb1296d9cd097f766ddd4ab944bf4b8/tumblr_nhmpbp5T6a1tp22cko1_1280.jpg http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_map9feCM8C1r3co2jo1_500.gif http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_map9feCM8C1r3co2jo2_500.gif http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140828132709/deathbattlefanon/images/7/76/Star_wars_darth_vader_galactic_empire_imperial_army_1280x800_68053.jpg http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/4/40/Monument_Plaza_Mutiny.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150730045412 The argument that the Empire controls more space than, say, the Federation is not really valid. Perhaps the Empire's enemies are much weaker than the Klingons, Romulans, et al, and are more easily crushed. Their power is only relative to their opposition. It tells us nothing of how they would fare against others when we have never seen their enemies matched against one another. Actually size does play a part. If the Empire has the ability to project force from one end of the Galaxy to the other and do it quickly. That means their FTL and Comm tech is blindingly fast. The Federation is not but an Imperial Sector and it takes the Federation weeks to months to move from one end of thier territory to another. For the Empire that is hours. Also that tech isn't limited to the Imperial Government but your average citizen has that ability. True, it does say something, but it's not proof in and of itself. In the old republic, the galaxy is split up by various factions more like the ST galaxy. But it does remain a fact that according to their respective canon, W ships are MUCH faster in hyperspace. It gets even more complicated comparing the two (dismissing ST 'magic') in that ST ships are pretty much free roaming, whereas SW ships have to follow specific routes mapped out by the Rakata. I am not sure if the Empire/Republic can easily do this on their own. Anybody got any knowledge on that? |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 10:36:39 PM EDT
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They're able to jump and chart areas of Wild Space and the Unknown Regions. The Hyperspace lanes are simply regions of the galaxy that are useful trade routes due to a number of planets on them. Much like how towns spring up along railroads. Except this was the opposite. The trade routes sprang up because those systems were there. Also the major hyperspace are like interstate highways that feed into a ton of smaller routes. Hyperspace lanes are also areas usually free of gravity wells like stars, black holes, and planets. But nothing prevents a ship from jumping, going X number of light years, dropping out of hyperspace due to a gravity well, getting around it, and jumping back into hyperspace.
That's how the hyperspace lanes were discovered. ST FTL never really describes the whole issue of gravity wells. I still think an Immobolizer 418 Cruiser will fuck up warp.    |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 11:49:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They're able to jump and chart areas of Wild Space and the Unknown Regions. The Hyperspace lanes are simply regions of the galaxy that are useful trade routes due to a number of planets on them. Much like how towns spring up along railroads. Except this was the opposite. The trade routes sprang up because those systems were there. Also the major hyperspace are like interstate highways that feed into a ton of smaller routes. Hyperspace lanes are also areas usually free of gravity wells like stars, black holes, and planets. But nothing prevents a ship from jumping, going X number of light years, dropping out of hyperspace due to a gravity well, getting around it, and jumping back into hyperspace. That's how the hyperspace lanes were discovered. ST FTL never really describes the whole issue of gravity wells. I still think an Immobolizer 418 Cruiser will fuck up warp. Where do you get this from? For real, not sarcasm, I'd like to know more about the lore. It was always my understanding that the hyperspace lanes were the only safe ways to travel, and even then, it involved lots of computation to get it right. Solo remarks on it in SW, "Without precise calculations we'd fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that would end your trip real quick." It may just be the cruft of EU and a lot of contradictory stuff. I thought the hyperspace lanes were mapped out by the Rakata using the Force and were difficult if not impossible for Republic/Imperial forces to do on their own. Do you have a source on this happening, and the effort/timescale it would take, and the risks involved? We talked about this in a previous thread on this topic, IIRC. There was some debate as to whether the Empire could exploit it's hyperspace abilities in a galaxy they knew nothing about. Offhand, I shouldn't think the ST ships would have much of an issue with the gravity wells. They can actually move (outside their warp bubble) at FLT speeds. No gravity well short of a black hole would exceed light speed. Maybe it would slow them down. Or maybe it would be like hitting a pothole, and jar them suddenly, perhaps break something, perhaps not. It should definitely throw off their targetting and nav until they realize ehwat is going aon and compensate, but ST computers are pretty trig. Of course they are also 'magic' and apprently operate FTL, too.  |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 12:13:52 AM EDT
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Where do you get this from? For real, not sarcasm, I'd like to know more about the lore. It was always my understanding that the hyperspace lanes were the only safe ways to travel, and even then, it involved lots of computation to get it right. Solo remarks on it in SW, "Without precise calculations we'd fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that would end your trip real quick." It may just be the cruft of EU and a lot of contradictory stuff. I thought the hyperspace lanes were mapped out by the Rakata using the Force and were difficult if not impossible for Republic/Imperial forces to do on their own. Do you have a source on this happening, and the effort/timescale it would take, and the risks involved? We talked about this in a previous thread on this topic, IIRC. There was some debate as to whether the Empire could exploit it's hyperspace abilities in a galaxy they knew nothing about. Offhand, I shouldn't think the ST ships would have much of an issue with the gravity wells. They can actually move (outside their warp bubble) at FLT speeds. No gravity well short of a black hole would exceed light speed. Maybe it would slow them down. Or maybe it would be like hitting a pothole, and jar them suddenly, perhaps break something, perhaps not. It should definitely throw off their targetting and nav until they realize ehwat is going aon and compensate, but ST computers are pretty trig. Of course they are also 'magic' and apprently operate FTL, too.
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They're able to jump and chart areas of Wild Space and the Unknown Regions. The Hyperspace lanes are simply regions of the galaxy that are useful trade routes due to a number of planets on them. Much like how towns spring up along railroads. Except this was the opposite. The trade routes sprang up because those systems were there. Also the major hyperspace are like interstate highways that feed into a ton of smaller routes. Hyperspace lanes are also areas usually free of gravity wells like stars, black holes, and planets. But nothing prevents a ship from jumping, going X number of light years, dropping out of hyperspace due to a gravity well, getting around it, and jumping back into hyperspace. That's how the hyperspace lanes were discovered. ST FTL never really describes the whole issue of gravity wells. I still think an Immobolizer 418 Cruiser will fuck up warp. Where do you get this from? For real, not sarcasm, I'd like to know more about the lore. It was always my understanding that the hyperspace lanes were the only safe ways to travel, and even then, it involved lots of computation to get it right. Solo remarks on it in SW, "Without precise calculations we'd fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that would end your trip real quick." It may just be the cruft of EU and a lot of contradictory stuff. I thought the hyperspace lanes were mapped out by the Rakata using the Force and were difficult if not impossible for Republic/Imperial forces to do on their own. Do you have a source on this happening, and the effort/timescale it would take, and the risks involved? We talked about this in a previous thread on this topic, IIRC. There was some debate as to whether the Empire could exploit it's hyperspace abilities in a galaxy they knew nothing about. Offhand, I shouldn't think the ST ships would have much of an issue with the gravity wells. They can actually move (outside their warp bubble) at FLT speeds. No gravity well short of a black hole would exceed light speed. Maybe it would slow them down. Or maybe it would be like hitting a pothole, and jar them suddenly, perhaps break something, perhaps not. It should definitely throw off their targetting and nav until they realize ehwat is going aon and compensate, but ST computers are pretty trig. Of course they are also 'magic' and apprently operate FTL, too.
More time required for routes outside the normal lanes. Like planning a coast to coast trip without getting on an interstate anywhere. If your in Jacksonville Fl and wanna go to LA get on 10 and gas it. Same without hitting a interstate will require a lot more figuring. The mapped routes are just that, mapped routes. A star chart, the equivalent of a compass and pencil and a lot (a whole fucking lot) of time and you can work it out. |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 8:08:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More time required for routes outside the normal lanes. Like planning a coast to coast trip without getting on an interstate anywhere. If your in Jacksonville Fl and wanna go to LA get on 10 and gas it. Same without hitting a interstate will require a lot more figuring. The mapped routes are just that, mapped routes. A star chart, the equivalent of a compass and pencil and a lot (a whole fucking lot) of time and you can work it out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They're able to jump and chart areas of Wild Space and the Unknown Regions. The Hyperspace lanes are simply regions of the galaxy that are useful trade routes due to a number of planets on them. Much like how towns spring up along railroads. Except this was the opposite. The trade routes sprang up because those systems were there. Also the major hyperspace are like interstate highways that feed into a ton of smaller routes. Hyperspace lanes are also areas usually free of gravity wells like stars, black holes, and planets. But nothing prevents a ship from jumping, going X number of light years, dropping out of hyperspace due to a gravity well, getting around it, and jumping back into hyperspace. That's how the hyperspace lanes were discovered. ST FTL never really describes the whole issue of gravity wells. I still think an Immobolizer 418 Cruiser will fuck up warp. Where do you get this from? For real, not sarcasm, I'd like to know more about the lore. It was always my understanding that the hyperspace lanes were the only safe ways to travel, and even then, it involved lots of computation to get it right. Solo remarks on it in SW, "Without precise calculations we'd fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that would end your trip real quick." It may just be the cruft of EU and a lot of contradictory stuff. I thought the hyperspace lanes were mapped out by the Rakata using the Force and were difficult if not impossible for Republic/Imperial forces to do on their own. Do you have a source on this happening, and the effort/timescale it would take, and the risks involved? We talked about this in a previous thread on this topic, IIRC. There was some debate as to whether the Empire could exploit it's hyperspace abilities in a galaxy they knew nothing about. Offhand, I shouldn't think the ST ships would have much of an issue with the gravity wells. They can actually move (outside their warp bubble) at FLT speeds. No gravity well short of a black hole would exceed light speed. Maybe it would slow them down. Or maybe it would be like hitting a pothole, and jar them suddenly, perhaps break something, perhaps not. It should definitely throw off their targetting and nav until they realize ehwat is going aon and compensate, but ST computers are pretty trig. Of course they are also 'magic' and apprently operate FTL, too. More time required for routes outside the normal lanes. Like planning a coast to coast trip without getting on an interstate anywhere. If your in Jacksonville Fl and wanna go to LA get on 10 and gas it. Same without hitting a interstate will require a lot more figuring. The mapped routes are just that, mapped routes. A star chart, the equivalent of a compass and pencil and a lot (a whole fucking lot) of time and you can work it out. I think you gays may be oversimplifying it, which is why I am asking about your sources. Everything I have read about SW hyperdrives suggests the lanes are not linear or even necessarily a 1-1 correspondence with normal 3d space. If it they were, it would be pretty trivial to work out how to get from one point to another, and yet it's all over the lore that they had to explore hyperspace and discover routes in a dangerous and painstaking process, and these routes were often kept secret from others. They have been mapping them for millennia in the SW galaxy. |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 8:11:00 PM EDT
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The facts come from the EU before Disney killed it. The Official Publications like the Star Wars Encyclopedia are my sources.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 8:33:09 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The facts come from the EU before Disney killed it. The Official Publications like the Star Wars Encyclopedia are my sources. I'm more of a wookiepedia guy, myself. I dunno, it's tough to even sort through all of the flotsam and jetsam of EU. Seems like every writer who ever worked in it set out with the intention of mary-sueing HIS sith or jedi into the mightiest who ever graced the galaxy, and HIS wicked Imperial weapon the most fearsome. It gets very arms-racey. It sucks the wind out of the movie stories to not have Palpatine have access to all of the awesome to which he supposedly had access. A lot of the EU stuff makes Palpatine and his Empire look like chumps, which I am sure is a huge part of the decision to de-canonize most of it. I can't really say that's a bad thing, either. |
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Posted: 9/9/2015 8:43:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm more of a wookiepedia guy, myself. I dunno, it's tough to even sort through all of the flotsam and jetsam of EU. Seems like every writer who ever worked in it set out with the intention of mary-sueing HIS sith or jedi into the mightiest who ever graced the galaxy, and HIS wicked Imperial weapon the most fearsome. It gets very arms-racey. It sucks the wind out of the movie stories to not have Palpatine have access to all of the awesome to which he supposedly had access. A lot of the EU stuff makes Palpatine and his Empire look like chumps, which I am sure is a huge part of the decision to de-canonize most of it. I can't really say that's a bad thing, either. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The facts come from the EU before Disney killed it. The Official Publications like the Star Wars Encyclopedia are my sources. I'm more of a wookiepedia guy, myself. I dunno, it's tough to even sort through all of the flotsam and jetsam of EU. Seems like every writer who ever worked in it set out with the intention of mary-sueing HIS sith or jedi into the mightiest who ever graced the galaxy, and HIS wicked Imperial weapon the most fearsome. It gets very arms-racey. It sucks the wind out of the movie stories to not have Palpatine have access to all of the awesome to which he supposedly had access. A lot of the EU stuff makes Palpatine and his Empire look like chumps, which I am sure is a huge part of the decision to de-canonize most of it. I can't really say that's a bad thing, either. Palpatine underestimating the Rebellion was the major issue and down fall. Also he couldn't deploy everything after the Rebels because you had entire regions and sectors to control. The Empire was vast and powerful and at the same time fighting a COIN while trying to garner more and more support from the population. On top of all that you had the build up of forces in the unknown regions battling the scouting force of the Vong. You had border issues with the Hapans and the CSA. The Chiss while friendly were also a danger to the Empire, etc... The fact that the Empire continues to shrink in the EU but not cease to exist and still stay as a major political, economic, and military power actually speaks volumes of it. For all the shit the Empire went through, it survived. Sure, they lost a lot but they didn't cease to be like the Third Reich. On top of that, the support that they had and still had was impressive. The Rebels could pick their time and place to a degree. The Empire had to be everywhere. What made the EU great was that everything had to tie into each other. One author couldn't do something without a previous author affecting his work and all of it was actually reviewed by Lucas Arts. The whole thing with the EU started with the Novelization of the films. That was the core work and it expanded. In the novels tings could be explained that couldn't in the films. EDIT TO ADD Also having stories that didn't revolve around the force was awesome! Nice reading some stuff about Rouge Squadron and Wraith Squadron. Reading material from the Imperial view point, etc.... |
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