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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:09:25 AM EDT
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Of course, to be perfectly honest; every swinging dick here who is apologizing for Cruz, would also be tripping over their own feet to come to Trump's defense had he also been guilty of failing to report a loan to The Federal Election Committee as required by the law, and pulling that same sort of flim flam on the voters.
Not really. 
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:09:28 AM EDT
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Don't see this getting any traction.
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:16:08 AM EDT
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It's obvious really. The "slime ball", to use your own words, is the candidate who hid his loan, as well as his financial association with the lenders, from the voters, and didn't report them as required by law. Not the guy who followed the law and adhered to the legal reporting requirements regarding his political donations. I'm sure you'd have given Donald Trump a similar pass had he done the same as Cruz in this matter.
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Ted Cruz takes out a loan- Trump bots go insane and call him a slime ball. Donald Trump gives monetary support to Chuck Schumer and countless other real slime ball democrats- crickets. Who's the slime ball again? Herp derp. It's obvious really. The "slime ball", to use your own words, is the candidate who hid his loan, as well as his financial association with the lenders, from the voters, and didn't report them as required by law. Not the guy who followed the law and adhered to the legal reporting requirements regarding his political donations. I'm sure you'd have given Donald Trump a similar pass had he done the same as Cruz in this matter.
You drive anywhere this morning? Yesterday? Did you happen to go over the speed limit, not come to a complete stop at a stop sign? How about making sure you had your turn signal on 300ft before you made the turn? Things required by law. Pretty sure I should just question everything you post now, even things I agree with. You did break some laws. But please, carry on with your crusade about campaign finance. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:18:54 AM EDT
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Too bad Teddy didn't have a lawyer to manage his campaign's paperwork. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/01/14/10-reasons-that-goldman-sachs-loan-is-a-nightmare-for-ted-cruz/ |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:19:53 AM EDT
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The Trump supporters in this thread are looking just as bad as the Trump bashers. It's getting real retarded up in here.
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:20:07 AM EDT
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And so many think Cruz is not an establishment candidate. Do you know who else carries Goldman Sach's water? BHO. The establishment isn't the RNC, it's Wall Street. He got a fucking loan from them. That doesn't mean he's carrying their water. Show me where Cruz has used his position in the Senate to make legislation, cast votes, or otherwise exploit his influence to unfairly favor Goldman Sach's. If he's done that I wanna know. I'm a huge Ted supporter but if he's dirty I wanna know. Simply taking out a loan at a fair market rate using his assets as collateral and paying it back is not dirty though. He could have gotten that loan anywhere. If Ted is carrying water for Goldman Sachs what's in it for him? What did Goldman Sachs give him in return? Just a loan? That's what banks do. It doesn't appear he was given an extraordinary deal in any way. It just doesn't appear to be dirty in any way. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:20:50 AM EDT
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After the Trump, "Ted Cruz is Canadian! Herp Derp." it's gonna be a lot harder. Like I've said, I appreciate Trump moving the Overton window, but if he fucks this up for Ted...  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bye bye Cruz The Trump haters better vote for Trump now After the Trump, "Ted Cruz is Canadian! Herp Derp." it's gonna be a lot harder. Like I've said, I appreciate Trump moving the Overton window, but if he fucks this up for Ted... So what if he does? To me that would just show Cruz was the weaker hopeful just like it's being seen that !Jeb! is. Don't leave openings in your armor for your competition to exploit. Simple as that. If one is going to get into the grease pit of presidential primary politics to work on a POTUS run then one should expect to get some grease on them along with skinned-up knuckles. 
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:21:28 AM EDT
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You drive anywhere this morning? Yesterday? Did you happen to go over the speed limit, not come to a complete stop at a stop sign? How about making sure you had your turn signal on 300ft before you made the turn? Things required by law. Pretty sure I should just question everything you post now, even things I agree with. You did break some laws. But please, carry on with your crusade about campaign finance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ted Cruz takes out a loan- Trump bots go insane and call him a slime ball. Donald Trump gives monetary support to Chuck Schumer and countless other real slime ball democrats- crickets. Who's the slime ball again? Herp derp. It's obvious really. The "slime ball", to use your own words, is the candidate who hid his loan, as well as his financial association with the lenders, from the voters, and didn't report them as required by law. Not the guy who followed the law and adhered to the legal reporting requirements regarding his political donations. I'm sure you'd have given Donald Trump a similar pass had he done the same as Cruz in this matter.
You drive anywhere this morning? Yesterday? Did you happen to go over the speed limit, not come to a complete stop at a stop sign? How about making sure you had your turn signal on 300ft before you made the turn? Things required by law. Pretty sure I should just question everything you post now, even things I agree with. You did break some laws. But please, carry on with your crusade about campaign finance. Exactly the same damned thing as fooling the voters as to the source of Cruz's campaign funds and their connection to Goldman Sachs, and then failing to report those loans to The Federal Election Commission during the campaign as required by law.
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:21:32 AM EDT
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Let me tell you what years in politics has taught me. They're ALL bought and paid for like cheaps suits; ALL of them. It's an unfortunate result of the manner in which successful campaigns need to be run these days, and the huge costs incurred funding them. The Clinton's, Rubio, .........all the rest of them are bought and paid for via campaign donations. Except for Trump. Does that make him the superior candidate to elect to the presidency on that one single issue? I don't know; but Donald is the one and only financiallyn independent candidate who has run for President since, well.......forever. Cruz should have properly disclosed thatb loan from Goldman Sachs and then it really wouldn't have become much of an issue. But instead; he chose to try to hide it. Now it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In after the snarky Cruz apologists, especially those intellectually dishonest hucksters that brayed like jackasses to the effect that Heidi Cruz's position as an important Managing Director at Goldman Sachs and one of the most powerful people on Wall Street was of no consequence to the Cruz campaign. Cruz has been bought and paid for like a cheap suit. 
Well that's a bit harsh. 
Bear in mind that the choice is really between Cruz and Trump for any hope of righting the ship. I'm not interested in throwing the baby out with the bathwater quite yet.
Let me tell you what years in politics has taught me. They're ALL bought and paid for like cheaps suits; ALL of them. It's an unfortunate result of the manner in which successful campaigns need to be run these days, and the huge costs incurred funding them. The Clinton's, Rubio, .........all the rest of them are bought and paid for via campaign donations. Except for Trump. Does that make him the superior candidate to elect to the presidency on that one single issue? I don't know; but Donald is the one and only financiallyn independent candidate who has run for President since, well.......forever. Cruz should have properly disclosed thatb loan from Goldman Sachs and then it really wouldn't have become much of an issue. But instead; he chose to try to hide it. Now it is. Well if you are such an experienced muck raker you'd know the candidates personally know very few of the donors. This loan has nothing to do with this election. It is possible Cruz was unaware the loan was not required to be reported? It is also possible he trusted his book keepers to get the paperwork right and it was over looked? The loan was paid off properly and legally as far as we know. You'd also know Trump bragged in the first debate how he bought many candidates. So what does it say about him? You'd also know that because Trump bought politicians, he is not an outsider but very much at the heart of insider politics. Because Trump is so rich he doesn't need to be bought by donations certainly does not mean he is off the hook. If he no longer has to listen to deep pocket donors you have to assume he doesn't have to listen to anyone else especially you. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:23:27 AM EDT
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Of course, to be perfectly honest; every swinging dick here who is apologizing for Cruz, would also be tripping over their own feet to come to Trump's defense had he also been guilty of failing to report a loan to The Federal Election Committee as required by the law, and pulling that same sort of flim flam on the voters. Not really. I actually don't care either way. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:24:40 AM EDT
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Sure are a lot of experts around here.
Wanna know why the democrats are gonna win this election? |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:25:12 AM EDT
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It's obvious really. The "slime ball", to use your own words, is the candidate who hid his loan, as well as his financial association with the lenders, from the voters, and didn't report them as required by law. Not the guy who followed the law and adhered to the legal reporting requirements regarding his political donations. I'm sure you'd have given Donald Trump a similar pass had he done the same as Cruz in this matter.
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Ted Cruz takes out a loan- Trump bots go insane and call him a slime ball. Donald Trump gives monetary support to Chuck Schumer and countless other real slime ball democrats- crickets. Who's the slime ball again? Herp derp. It's obvious really. The "slime ball", to use your own words, is the candidate who hid his loan, as well as his financial association with the lenders, from the voters, and didn't report them as required by law. Not the guy who followed the law and adhered to the legal reporting requirements regarding his political donations. I'm sure you'd have given Donald Trump a similar pass had he done the same as Cruz in this matter.
He didn't hide it. It was disclosed in other records. It just want properly disclosed by his campaign manager apparently. There is no indication he was given a favor or did anything in return. If that qualifies him as a slime ball then everyone who has ever taken out a loan is a slime ball. This shit is nonsense. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:25:22 AM EDT
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Well if you are such an experienced muck raker you'd know the candidates personally know very few of the donors. This loan has nothing to do with this election. It is possible Cruz was unaware the loan was not required to be reported? It is also possible he trusted his book keepers to get the paperwork right and it was over looked? The loan was paid off properly and legally as far as we know. You'd also know Trump bragged in the first debate how he bought many candidates. So what does it say about him? You'd also know that because Trump bought politicians, he is not an outsider but very much at the heart of insider politics. Because Trump is so rich he doesn't need to be bought by donations certainly does not mean he is off the hook. If he no longer has to listen to deep pocket donors you have to assume he doesn't have to listen to anyone else especially you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In after the snarky Cruz apologists, especially those intellectually dishonest hucksters that brayed like jackasses to the effect that Heidi Cruz's position as an important Managing Director at Goldman Sachs and one of the most powerful people on Wall Street was of no consequence to the Cruz campaign. Cruz has been bought and paid for like a cheap suit.
Well that's a bit harsh.
Bear in mind that the choice is really between Cruz and Trump for any hope of righting the ship. I'm not interested in throwing the baby out with the bathwater quite yet.
Let me tell you what years in politics has taught me. They're ALL bought and paid for like cheaps suits; ALL of them. It's an unfortunate result of the manner in which successful campaigns need to be run these days, and the huge costs incurred funding them. The Clinton's, Rubio, .........all the rest of them are bought and paid for via campaign donations. Except for Trump. Does that make him the superior candidate to elect to the presidency on that one single issue? I don't know; but Donald is the one and only financiallyn independent candidate who has run for President since, well.......forever. Cruz should have properly disclosed thatb loan from Goldman Sachs and then it really wouldn't have become much of an issue. But instead; he chose to try to hide it. Now it is. Well if you are such an experienced muck raker you'd know the candidates personally know very few of the donors. This loan has nothing to do with this election. It is possible Cruz was unaware the loan was not required to be reported? It is also possible he trusted his book keepers to get the paperwork right and it was over looked? The loan was paid off properly and legally as far as we know. You'd also know Trump bragged in the first debate how he bought many candidates. So what does it say about him? You'd also know that because Trump bought politicians, he is not an outsider but very much at the heart of insider politics. Because Trump is so rich he doesn't need to be bought by donations certainly does not mean he is off the hook. If he no longer has to listen to deep pocket donors you have to assume he doesn't have to listen to anyone else especially you. What an absurd defense of a politician who got himself caught lying yo the voters and breaking the law while doing so.
You really need to read more and write less. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/01/14/10-reasons-that-goldman-sachs-loan-is-a-nightmare-for-ted-cruz/ |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:26:30 AM EDT
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The Trump supporters in this thread are looking just as bad as the Trump bashers. It's getting real retarded up in here. Oh it's real retarded. But it's fun! |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:26:54 AM EDT
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Exactly the same damned thing as fooling the voters as to the source of Cruz's campaign funds and their connection to Goldman Sachs, and then failing to report those loans to The Federal Election Commission during the campaign as required by law.
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Ted Cruz takes out a loan- Trump bots go insane and call him a slime ball. Donald Trump gives monetary support to Chuck Schumer and countless other real slime ball democrats- crickets. Who's the slime ball again? Herp derp. It's obvious really. The "slime ball", to use your own words, is the candidate who hid his loan, as well as his financial association with the lenders, from the voters, and didn't report them as required by law. Not the guy who followed the law and adhered to the legal reporting requirements regarding his political donations. I'm sure you'd have given Donald Trump a similar pass had he done the same as Cruz in this matter.
You drive anywhere this morning? Yesterday? Did you happen to go over the speed limit, not come to a complete stop at a stop sign? How about making sure you had your turn signal on 300ft before you made the turn? Things required by law. Pretty sure I should just question everything you post now, even things I agree with. You did break some laws. But please, carry on with your crusade about campaign finance. Exactly the same damned thing as fooling the voters as to the source of Cruz's campaign funds and their connection to Goldman Sachs, and then failing to report those loans to The Federal Election Commission during the campaign as required by law.
My point being, why is campaign finance the cross you decided to carry? Instead of a political position? |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:28:56 AM EDT
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"Sweetheart, I’d like us to liquidate our entire net worth, liquid net worth, and put it into the campaign,” he says he told his wife, Heidi, who readily agreed. But the couple’s decision to pump more than $1 million into Mr. Cruz’s successful Tea Party-darling Senate bid in Texas was made easier by a large loan from Goldman Sachs, where Mrs. Cruz works. That loan was not disclosed in campaign finance reports. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/us/politics/ted-cruz-wall-street-loan-senate-bid-2012.html?_r=0 Lol. Can you say "Clinton campaign corruption"..... |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:31:09 AM EDT
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What an absurd defense of a politician who got himself caught lying yo the voters and breaking the law while doing so.
That's a stretch. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:33:16 AM EDT
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My point being, why is campaign finance the cross you decided to carry? Instead of a political position? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ted Cruz takes out a loan- Trump bots go insane and call him a slime ball. Donald Trump gives monetary support to Chuck Schumer and countless other real slime ball democrats- crickets. Who's the slime ball again? Herp derp. It's obvious really. The "slime ball", to use your own words, is the candidate who hid his loan, as well as his financial association with the lenders, from the voters, and didn't report them as required by law. Not the guy who followed the law and adhered to the legal reporting requirements regarding his political donations. I'm sure you'd have given Donald Trump a similar pass had he done the same as Cruz in this matter.
You drive anywhere this morning? Yesterday? Did you happen to go over the speed limit, not come to a complete stop at a stop sign? How about making sure you had your turn signal on 300ft before you made the turn? Things required by law. Pretty sure I should just question everything you post now, even things I agree with. You did break some laws. But please, carry on with your crusade about campaign finance. Exactly the same damned thing as fooling the voters as to the source of Cruz's campaign funds and their connection to Goldman Sachs, and then failing to report those loans to The Federal Election Commission during the campaign as required by law.
My point being, why is campaign finance the cross you decided to carry? Instead of a political position? Because it speaks to both the honestly and viability of a candidate and it's important. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/01/14/10-reasons-that-goldman-sachs-loan-is-a-nightmare-for-ted-cruz/ |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:34:06 AM EDT
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What an absurd defense of a politician who got himself caught lying yo the voters and breaking the law while doing so.
That's a stretch. Not really, it's actually spot on. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/01/14/10-reasons-that-goldman-sachs-loan-is-a-nightmare-for-ted-cruz/ |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:36:49 AM EDT
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Sure are a lot of experts around here. Wanna know why the democrats are gonna win this election? Why do you take issue with a hopeful being vetted? If Cruz weathers this then great, if not then "oh well". I don't walk in lock-step with anyone at this point in a primary struggle and it's a hopeful's job to prove to me that they are worthy of my vote. The primary season is where such things should take place and voters should judge a hopeful on how they handle issues such as this if/when they arise. Beats the hell out of a "October Surprise".
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:37:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In after the snarky Cruz apologists, especially those intellectually dishonest hucksters that brayed like jackasses to the effect that Heidi Cruz's position as an important Managing Director at Goldman Sachs and one of the most powerful people on Wall Street was of no consequence to the Cruz campaign. Cruz has been bought and paid for like a cheap suit. OH WAIT, that doesn't help your cause at all. Cruz 2016 |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:39:34 AM EDT
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Some help for those who choose to blindly defend Cruz in the matter of ethics and legal campaign reporting requirements because they, themselves, "don't care".
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:42:27 AM EDT
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In after the snarky Cruz apologists, especially those intellectually dishonest hucksters that brayed like jackasses to the effect that Heidi Cruz's position as an important Managing Director at Goldman Sachs and one of the most powerful people on Wall Street was of no consequence to the Cruz campaign. Cruz has been bought and paid for like a cheap suit.
Ironic sigline is ironic. 
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:42:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some help for those who choose to blindly defend Cruz in the matter of ethics and legal campaign reporting requirements because they, themselves, "don't care". http://www.oldsaltblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Singles06.Shit-Creek.jpg |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:42:51 AM EDT
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Because it speaks to both the honestly and viability of a candidate and it's important. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My point being, why is campaign finance the cross you decided to carry? Instead of a political position? Because it speaks to both the honestly and viability of a candidate and it's important. So its OK when Trump violates federal election law, but its not ok when Cruz does it. Yeah, that really speaks to your honesty. 
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:44:56 AM EDT
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Obviously, as evidenced by 100% of his voting record. OH WAIT, that doesn't help your cause at all. Cruz 2016 How soon some of us forget. The Senator voted FOR Corker-Cardin (the bill which set up the Iran nuclear trade deal after he voted AGAINST it and he voted FOR "fast track authority" before he voted AGAINST it. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:46:18 AM EDT
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Why do you take issue with a hopeful being vetted? If Cruz weathers this then great, if not then "oh well". I don't walk in lock-step with anyone at this point in a primary struggle and it's a hopeful's job to prove to me that they are worthy of my vote. The primary season is where such things should take place and voters should judge a hopeful on how they handle issues such as this if/when they arise. Beats the hell out of a "October Surprise".
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Sure are a lot of experts around here. Wanna know why the democrats are gonna win this election? Why do you take issue with a hopeful being vetted? If Cruz weathers this then great, if not then "oh well". I don't walk in lock-step with anyone at this point in a primary struggle and it's a hopeful's job to prove to me that they are worthy of my vote. The primary season is where such things should take place and voters should judge a hopeful on how they handle issues such as this if/when they arise. Beats the hell out of a "October Surprise".
Because you're not vetting him you're trying to destroy him. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:48:59 AM EDT
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He got a fucking loan from them. That doesn't mean he's carrying their water. Show me where Cruz has used his position in the Senate to make legislation, cast votes, or otherwise exploit his influence to unfairly favor Goldman Sach's. If he's done that I wanna know. I'm a huge Ted supporter but if he's dirty I wanna know. Simply taking out a loan at a fair market rate using his assets as collateral and paying it back is not dirty though. He could have gotten that loan anywhere. If Ted is carrying water for Goldman Sachs what's in it for him? What did Goldman Sachs give him in return? Just a loan? That's what banks do. It doesn't appear he was given an extraordinary deal in any way. It just doesn't appear to be dirty in any way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And so many think Cruz is not an establishment candidate. Do you know who else carries Goldman Sach's water? BHO. The establishment isn't the RNC, it's Wall Street. He got a fucking loan from them. That doesn't mean he's carrying their water. Show me where Cruz has used his position in the Senate to make legislation, cast votes, or otherwise exploit his influence to unfairly favor Goldman Sach's. If he's done that I wanna know. I'm a huge Ted supporter but if he's dirty I wanna know. Simply taking out a loan at a fair market rate using his assets as collateral and paying it back is not dirty though. He could have gotten that loan anywhere. If Ted is carrying water for Goldman Sachs what's in it for him? What did Goldman Sachs give him in return? Just a loan? That's what banks do. It doesn't appear he was given an extraordinary deal in any way. It just doesn't appear to be dirty in any way. I didn't say it was dirty. I said someone who is married to a senior manager at Goldman Sachs and uses Goldman Sachs loans to fund his political campaigns is an establishment candidate no matter what he says or what people want to believe. Just like big (really big) business somehow benefits from BHO's administration, even though he's allegedly a populist. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:49:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure are a lot of experts around here. Wanna know why the democrats are gonna win this election? |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:50:36 AM EDT
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Cruz oppo dump month continues.
Birtherism didn't work last week. So now it's the fact his wife believed so much in her husband's campaign, she took out a loan they repaid and publicly disclosed while they were being out-spent by the establishment, 25-1. Which was disclosed publicly weeks prior to the election back in 2012, and was reported on over two years ago by multiple outlets. So it's not even a New York Times "scoop" but a rehash. Yes, it should've been disclosed on the FEC form, but if they wanted to hide it why did they disclose it at all? And how come the FEC didn't launch an investigation about this two years ago if it wasn't a nothing burger? You only have 8 days until Cruz returns to close out Iowa, trolls, and you've got to come stronger than this. I mean, seriously, by this point in Iowa eight years ago we were subjected to Huckabee is a Christian socialist and his son killed dogs at a summer camp (and yes, I'm serious that happened). Frankly, I expected better this go-around. Caught you slippin. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:52:03 AM EDT
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Bye bye Cruz The Trump haters better vote for Trump now Not hardly... And no way in hell. Yup |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:52:21 AM EDT
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How is Canuck Cruz getting a Goldman Sachs loan worse than the Clintons setting up a billion dollar shell corporation/charity and using it to launder/funnel money into Hillary's campaign, while paying themselves a metric fuckton to administrate it?
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:53:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cruz 2016 Fixed. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:53:28 AM EDT
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So its OK when Trump violates federal election law, but its not ok when Cruz does it. Yeah, that really speaks to your honesty.
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My point being, why is campaign finance the cross you decided to carry? Instead of a political position? Because it speaks to both the honestly and viability of a candidate and it's important. So its OK when Trump violates federal election law, but its not ok when Cruz does it. Yeah, that really speaks to your honesty.
LOL. Because the some lawyer working on behalf of the GOPe and JEB bush having filed some "complaint" with the SEC means that " Trump has violated federal election law" and is exactly the same thing as Cruz's refusal to report campaign loans and their documents to,the Federal Election committee as required by law and fooling the voters as to how his campaign was being funded by Goldman Sachs. "A Republican lawyer working on behalf of outside groups supporting Jeb Bush for president filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission on Wednesday alleging that Donald Trump is illegally mixing his campaign interests with corporate business.??"
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:54:33 AM EDT
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He got a fucking loan from them. That doesn't mean he's carrying their water. Show me where Cruz has used his position in the Senate to make legislation, cast votes, or otherwise exploit his influence to unfairly favor Goldman Sach's. If he's done that I wanna know. I'm a huge Ted supporter but if he's dirty I wanna know. Simply taking out a loan at a fair market rate using his assets as collateral and paying it back is not dirty though. He could have gotten that loan anywhere. If Ted is carrying water for Goldman Sachs what's in it for him? What did Goldman Sachs give him in return? Just a loan? That's what banks do. It doesn't appear he was given an extraordinary deal in any way. It just doesn't appear to be dirty in any way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And so many think Cruz is not an establishment candidate. Do you know who else carries Goldman Sach's water? BHO. The establishment isn't the RNC, it's Wall Street. He got a fucking loan from them. That doesn't mean he's carrying their water. Show me where Cruz has used his position in the Senate to make legislation, cast votes, or otherwise exploit his influence to unfairly favor Goldman Sach's. If he's done that I wanna know. I'm a huge Ted supporter but if he's dirty I wanna know. Simply taking out a loan at a fair market rate using his assets as collateral and paying it back is not dirty though. He could have gotten that loan anywhere. If Ted is carrying water for Goldman Sachs what's in it for him? What did Goldman Sachs give him in return? Just a loan? That's what banks do. It doesn't appear he was given an extraordinary deal in any way. It just doesn't appear to be dirty in any way. Dude, your pissing in the wind... |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:57:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Goldman Sachs owns most of Washington regardless of which political party they represent. They do not own Trump. How important is that? You decide. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And so many think Cruz is not an establishment candidate. Do you know who else carries Goldman Sach's water? BHO. Goldman Sachs owns most of Washington regardless of which political party they represent. They do not own Trump. How important is that? You decide. I already have. I look at Cruz's voting history and stand on issues. And then I look at Trump's, which is whatever way the wind is blowing. It was an easy decision. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:58:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I already have. I look at Cruz's voting history and stand on issues. And then I look at Trump's, which is whatever way the wind is blowing. It was an easy decision. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: And so many think Cruz is not an establishment candidate. Do you know who else carries Goldman Sach's water? BHO. Goldman Sachs owns most of Washington regardless of which political party they represent. They do not own Trump. How important is that? You decide. I already have. I look at Cruz's voting history and stand on issues. And then I look at Trump's, which is whatever way the wind is blowing. It was an easy decision. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:59:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How soon some of us forget. The Senator voted FOR Corker-Cardin (the bill which set up the Iran nuclear trade deal after he voted AGAINST it and he voted FOR "fast track authority" before he voted AGAINST it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Obviously, as evidenced by 100% of his voting record. OH WAIT, that doesn't help your cause at all. Cruz 2016 How soon some of us forget. The Senator voted FOR Corker-Cardin (the bill which set up the Iran nuclear trade deal after he voted AGAINST it and he voted FOR "fast track authority" before he voted AGAINST it. This game of CHESS is very hard for people to understand who only play checkers and appear to have a losing record at that. Crown him. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:59:11 AM EDT
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Me, upon seeing the uber-political arfcom members carrying the water for their respective candidates:
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Posted: 1/14/2016 11:59:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ha already had them out in the open for anyone to see. He didn't try to hide anything. He has done nothing illegal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: He got a loan... what is shady about that? I'd think it was shady if he got a huge donation and didn't report it, but a loan? Nope. As long as he's paying or paid it back. Getting the loan is not in itself shady. Hiding (failing to report) the loan appears shady. Especially when it's from Goldman Sachs. And, also, when the source of the funds was misrepresented by the candidate to the voters. Cruz needs to get ahead of this issue RFN, and not ignore it. Ha already had them out in the open for anyone to see. He didn't try to hide anything. He has done nothing illegal. None of that matters to TrumpTardstm |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:01:02 PM EDT
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How is Canuck Cruz getting a Goldman Sachs loan worse than the Clintons setting up a billion dollar shell corporation/charity and using it to launder/funnel money into Hillary's campaign, while paying themselves a metric fuckton to administrate it? It's not worse; it's just business as usual among the political and donor classes. VOTE FOR CRUZ......BECAUSE....BUSINESS AS USUAL CRUZ...BECAUSE HILLARY IS EVEN MORE DISHONEST |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:01:49 PM EDT
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The Trump supporters in this thread are looking just as bad as the Trump bashers. It's getting real retarded up in here. "Getting"? Welcome to election season. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:02:17 PM EDT
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It's not worse; it's just business as usual among the political and donor classes. VOTE FOR CRUZ......BECAUSE....BUSINESS AS USUAL CRUZ...BECAUSE HILLARY IS EVEN MORE DISHONEST Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is Canuck Cruz getting a Goldman Sachs loan worse than the Clintons setting up a billion dollar shell corporation/charity and using it to launder/funnel money into Hillary's campaign, while paying themselves a metric fuckton to administrate it? It's not worse; it's just business as usual among the political and donor classes. VOTE FOR CRUZ......BECAUSE....BUSINESS AS USUAL CRUZ...BECAUSE HILLARY IS EVEN MORE DISHONEST I'm just saying that they need to go after Hillcunt before eating each other. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:04:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not worse; it's just business as usual among the political and donor classes. VOTE FOR CRUZ......BECAUSE....BUSINESS AS USUAL CRUZ...BECAUSE HILLARY IS EVEN MORE DISHONEST Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How is Canuck Cruz getting a Goldman Sachs loan worse than the Clintons setting up a billion dollar shell corporation/charity and using it to launder/funnel money into Hillary's campaign, while paying themselves a metric fuckton to administrate it? It's not worse; it's just business as usual among the political and donor classes. VOTE FOR CRUZ......BECAUSE....BUSINESS AS USUAL CRUZ...BECAUSE HILLARY IS EVEN MORE DISHONEST lol |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:04:36 PM EDT
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I already have. I look at Cruz's voting history and stand on issues. And then I look at Trump's, which is whatever way the wind is blowing. It was an easy decision. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Goldman Sachs owns most of Washington regardless of which political party they represent. They do not own Trump. How important is that? You decide. I already have. I look at Cruz's voting history and stand on issues. And then I look at Trump's, which is whatever way the wind is blowing. It was an easy decision. Whenever I look at Cruz's voting history, it's mostly blank because he never bothers to show up. /badumching (damn, he beat me to it  )
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:04:37 PM EDT
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Does that include all of the votes he doesn't show up for, making him one of the most absent guys? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And so many think Cruz is not an establishment candidate. Do you know who else carries Goldman Sach's water? BHO. Goldman Sachs owns most of Washington regardless of which political party they represent. They do not own Trump. How important is that? You decide. I already have. I look at Cruz's voting history and stand on issues. And then I look at Trump's, which is whatever way the wind is blowing. It was an easy decision. It's unlikely that they even know about that inconvenient fact.
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:05:37 PM EDT
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Ironic sigline is ironic.
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In after the snarky Cruz apologists, especially those intellectually dishonest hucksters that brayed like jackasses to the effect that Heidi Cruz's position as an important Managing Director at Goldman Sachs and one of the most powerful people on Wall Street was of no consequence to the Cruz campaign. Cruz has been bought and paid for like a cheap suit.
Ironic sigline is ironic.
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:07:10 PM EDT
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He got a loan... what is shady about that? I'd think it was shady if he got a huge donation and didn't report it, but a loan? Nope. As long as he's paying or paid it back. Getting the loan is not in itself shady. Hiding (failing to report) the loan appears shady. Especially when it's from Goldman Sachs. And, also, when the source of the funds was misrepresented by the candidate to the voters. Cruz needs to get ahead of this issue RFN, and not ignore it. Ha already had them out in the open for anyone to see. He didn't try to hide anything. He has done nothing illegal. None of that matters to TrumpTardstm Say they guys who, when presented with the facts, consistently state that they "don't care".
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:08:32 PM EDT
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LOL. Because the some lawyer working on behalf of the GOPe and JEB bush having filed some "complaint" with the SEC means that " Trump has violated federal election law" and is exactly the same thing as Cruz's refusal to report campaign loans and their documents to,the Federal Election committee as required by law and fooling the voters as to how his campaign was being funded by Goldman Sachs. "A Republican lawyer working on behalf of outside groups supporting Jeb Bush for president filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission on Wednesday alleging that Donald Trump is illegally mixing his campaign interests with corporate business.??"
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My point being, why is campaign finance the cross you decided to carry? Instead of a political position? Because it speaks to both the honestly and viability of a candidate and it's important. So its OK when Trump violates federal election law, but its not ok when Cruz does it. Yeah, that really speaks to your honesty.
LOL. Because the some lawyer working on behalf of the GOPe and JEB bush having filed some "complaint" with the SEC means that " Trump has violated federal election law" and is exactly the same thing as Cruz's refusal to report campaign loans and their documents to,the Federal Election committee as required by law and fooling the voters as to how his campaign was being funded by Goldman Sachs. "A Republican lawyer working on behalf of outside groups supporting Jeb Bush for president filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission on Wednesday alleging that Donald Trump is illegally mixing his campaign interests with corporate business.??"
I don't know whether you're stupid or intellectually dishonest - I'm tending to believe the latter since you are (or were) an admitted political operative in NY - but the issue in federal election law is not who makes the complaint; its what the actual violation was. Nice attempt to deflect the issue, but the real issue here is Trump's use of Trump Organization resources for Trump's own political purposes, which is an illegal in kind donation. The documents are out there on the net and I've linked to them. Alan Garten from the Trump Organization sent cease and desist letters, on Trump Organization letterhead, on behalf of Trump's political campaign, which is an illegal in kind donation. Sorather than trying to deflect the issue, why don't you address it head on? Also, since you believe Clark Spies making the complaint to the FEC is not necessarily proof of wrongdoing by Trump, who made the complaint about Cruz, or did the FEC take up the matter sua sponte? ETA - personally, I don't think either alleged violation is really that noteworthy, except Clark Spies response to Alan Garten was hilarious. |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 12:10:06 PM EDT
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You want to know which of the candidates of either party is under the microscope and being investigated most closely.........
It's Donald Trump.
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