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Posted: 2/16/2016 10:52:27 PM EDT
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Which one of you saying the 40 is weak are gonna be the first to take one to the chest? You'll be okay, right? Just a 40. Full disclosure, I own a G22, M&P40 Pro, Mechtech 40 conversion and an STI Edge in 40. You simply can't be that retarded. You're pretending to be an idiot, right? Like just a parody of a whiney, cry-baby pussy, yes? Tell me you're not serious with this hackneyed, pitiful approach. Please? |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 10:54:12 PM EDT
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It is a perfectly acceptable and useful caliber...just like most of them. The only people who have a problem with it are people too emotionally invested in their caliber choice or who soak up internet gun and caliber memes like first time shooters.
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Posted: 2/16/2016 10:55:06 PM EDT
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You don't think the AWB gave a boost to those calibers? Everyone was trying to maximize the biggest bullet they could get into a 10 round capacity gun. If not for the AWB the 9mm would have rolled all over every other caliber like it's doing now post AWB. Nobody gives a shit about .40 or .45 anymore. They are the manual transmission of calibers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Compromises tend to be shit. .45 is .45 for a REASON. It knocks dicks in the dirt. It stops bad guys DEAD. 9mm is a pussy caliber, for European pussies. .40 is the dyke of cartridges. 
.45 has been living off a one hundred year old hype train. The only reason .40 or .45 are still relevant is the AWB. Your response does not even sound human. What the FUCK are your prattling about? The fucking ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN?
You don't think the AWB gave a boost to those calibers? Everyone was trying to maximize the biggest bullet they could get into a 10 round capacity gun. If not for the AWB the 9mm would have rolled all over every other caliber like it's doing now post AWB. Nobody gives a shit about .40 or .45 anymore. They are the manual transmission of calibers. 2004 was a lifetime ago, scooter. 90% of the guns I own have been purchased SINCE 2004. The AWB is ancient history. 
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Posted: 2/16/2016 10:56:58 PM EDT
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I like .40S&W simply because I bought a police-trade in G23 for a very good price about 20yrs ago and have shot the shit out of it since. I realize it does nothing that a good 9mm can't do, but I've got tens of thousands of rounds of .40 in my collection and I've learned to shoot it pretty well.
If I'd gotten the same deal on a G19 back then, I'd probably say the same for 9mm. That being said, I carry a 10mm as my EDC and have done so for a over a decade. Nice to share projectiles between two calibers. Probably why I like .260Rem and 6.5x55 so much. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 10:57:17 PM EDT
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2004 was a lifetime ago, scooter. 90% of the guns I own have been purchased SINCE 2004. The AWB is ancient history.
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Compromises tend to be shit. .45 is .45 for a REASON. It knocks dicks in the dirt. It stops bad guys DEAD. 9mm is a pussy caliber, for European pussies. .40 is the dyke of cartridges.
.45 has been living off a one hundred year old hype train. The only reason .40 or .45 are still relevant is the AWB. Your response does not even sound human. What the FUCK are your prattling about? The fucking ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN?
You don't think the AWB gave a boost to those calibers? Everyone was trying to maximize the biggest bullet they could get into a 10 round capacity gun. If not for the AWB the 9mm would have rolled all over every other caliber like it's doing now post AWB. Nobody gives a shit about .40 or .45 anymore. They are the manual transmission of calibers. 2004 was a lifetime ago, scooter. 90% of the guns I own have been purchased SINCE 2004. The AWB is ancient history.
Just because you can't see the writing on the wall doesn't make me wrong. Look at 9mm sales numbers versus .40 and .45. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 10:58:11 PM EDT
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180grs at over 1,000 fps
What's not to like? |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:00:09 PM EDT
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Just because you can't see the writing on the wall doesn't make me wrong. Look at 9mm sales numbers versus .40 and .45. 80% rule in action. Frankly, I could care less what the idiots buy. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:01:18 PM EDT
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Working in the retail firearms business, 9mm pistols outsell .40 at least 15:1. .45's outsell .40's probably 5:1. Nobody really wants .40 anymore.
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:02:21 PM EDT
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80% rule in action. Frankly, I could care less what the idiots buy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just because you can't see the writing on the wall doesn't make me wrong. Look at 9mm sales numbers versus .40 and .45. 80% rule in action. Frankly, I could care less what the idiots buy. So it's an enthusiast caliber then? 
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:03:18 PM EDT
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Glock 22, Glock 23, Glock 35, Walther PPS .40, and HK P2000 .40.......because I like the round.....my first was a Glock 22 in 1991 or 1992.
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:06:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Compromises tend to be shit. .45 is .45 for a REASON. It knocks dicks in the dirt. It stops bad guys DEAD. 9mm is a pussy caliber, for European pussies. .40 is the dyke of cartridges. LOL. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:08:53 PM EDT
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I like .40
It's the easiest caliber of the major 3 pistol calibers to find during a panic Cheap LE trade ins are all over the place in the used market It's a good training round, because if you are getting good groups with .40, on qual you'll get even better groups with 9mm. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:08:53 PM EDT
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People say that shot placement is king.
Other people say larger is better. Many people say capacity is best. To each their own. I'm fairly confident all of them will fuck you up in some capacity. I've got 4 scars to remind me of the potential "stopping power" of what I considered pussy rounds. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:11:38 PM EDT
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I own a 22, 23 and a 35 along with a suppressed SBR (still in NFA jail). I like the round and believe it's going to be around for a while. I have bought over 5,000 rds in the last few months from guys "getting out of 40" at bargain basement pricing.....
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:11:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like .40 It's the easiest caliber of the major 3 pistol calibers to find during a panic Cheap LE trade ins are all over the place in the used market It's a good training round, because if you are getting good groups with .40, on qual you'll get even better groups with 9mm. I kind of regret not buying a cheap G23/22 from AIM for those reasons. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:19:59 PM EDT
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People say that shot placement is king. Other people say larger is better. Many people say capacity is best. To each their own. I'm fairly confident all of them will fuck you up in some capacity. I've got 4 scars to remind me of the potential "stopping power" of what I considered pussy rounds. Hmmmmmmm? Sounds like theres a story waiting to be told. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:21:50 PM EDT
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I'm at a turning point. Sell off the rest of my .40 or buy a G23...
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:23:54 PM EDT
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I only have one, a USP Compact, but it is a nice middle ground for me when I want to carry something bigger than a 9mm, but don't feel like lugging around a .45. Primarily that means hiking.
Also nice to have during panics, because .40 ammo was everywhere. I'll pick up a trade in G23 someday. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:24:52 PM EDT
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.40: The redheaded stepchild of cartridges.
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:24:57 PM EDT
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I own a 22, 23 and a 35 along with a suppressed SBR (still in NFA jail). I like the round and believe it's going to be around for a while. I have bought over 5,000 rds in the last few months from guys "getting out of 40" at bargain basement pricing..... But...... how does the fact that your friends are getting out of the caliber convince you that it's going to be around for a while? Seems it should do the opposite. Some of you guys are almost literally religious about this caliber. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:27:27 PM EDT
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Neither '9' nor .45, it's 'just right'. It's 87 all the way. .40 S&W: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/5/5c/Goldilocks.png/revision/latest?cb=20100308062511 10mm: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/6e/db/ce/6edbcecf68bdb8bc302cd453207d317b.jpg Questions? This, this, this. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:28:20 PM EDT
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I've already converted my 22 to a 9mm and since I already have a P226 9mm, my P226 .40 S&W will probably become a .357 Sig.
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:31:55 PM EDT
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All the suck of the 9 and 45 combined to make a very well balanced 40 caliber.
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:37:17 PM EDT
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I've got a 40SW barrel for my Glock 20. Even in a large frame gun designed from the ground up to handle 10mm, it still has oddly significant recoil - and I LIKE shooting 10mm.
I'm looking forward to playing with .357SIG though. That seems like a a very good do-it-all cartridge...on paper. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:55:23 PM EDT
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.357 Sig is the best 9mm.
10mm is the Dirty Harry of automatics .40 is the American double stack. .38 Super is the Americanized 9mm .45 makes for an excellent offensive pistol cartridge. 9mm is an excellent defensive double stack and is the magnum .380 .380 is the Labrador of cartridges, always there with you, not much of a bite but I still don't want to get bit. |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 11:56:29 PM EDT
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.357 Sig is the best 9mm. 10mm is the Dirty Harry of automatics .40 is the American double stack. .38 Super is the Americanized 9mm .45 makes for an excellent offensive pistol cartridge. 9mm is an excellent defensive double stack and is the magnum .380 .380 is the Labrador of cartridges, always there with you, not much of a bite but I still don't want to get bit. Log out and never log back in |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:00:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:02:15 AM EDT
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No thanks. .40 is too loud and the recoil is too sharp.
Why? 9mm and .45 cap are both better, IMHO. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:03:29 AM EDT
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from a purely gunsmith level the round sucks because it beats the hell out of its 9mm parent frame when compared to 9mm... a 40cal built up from the bottom would be ok... HK USP series was designed around the .40 |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:06:19 AM EDT
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from a purely gunsmith level the round sucks because it beats the hell out of its 9mm parent frame when compared to 9mm... a 40cal built up from the bottom would be ok... Yes, much like my Sig P229. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:06:53 AM EDT
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40 Dumbest caliber evar. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:09:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm gonna get in early, because I have a feeling this thread will break new ground in the debate. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:12:29 AM EDT
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Neither '9' nor .45, it's 'just right'. It's 87 all the way. Correct |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:12:38 AM EDT
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In to see this important matter finally settled once and for all.
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:16:00 AM EDT
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Working in the retail firearms business, 9mm pistols outsell .40 at least 15:1. .45's outsell .40's probably 5:1. Nobody really wants .40 anymore. Okay, then, I'll buy one from somebody else. You're a good salesman, you can come over to my house and fuc...my si...never mind. 
I don't have a sister. 
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:24:29 AM EDT
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Reduced capacity, higher recoil, more expensive training cost, relatively similar performance...what's not to love?
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:32:38 AM EDT
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What will a .40 do that a 9 won't do just as well? A 9mm MIGHT expand and make a bigger hole. The .40 sure won't shrink to make a smaller hole. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:37:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:38:19 AM EDT
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Okay, then, I'll buy one from somebody else. You're a good salesman, you can come over to my house and fuc...my si...never mind.
I don't have a sister.
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Working in the retail firearms business, 9mm pistols outsell .40 at least 15:1. .45's outsell .40's probably 5:1. Nobody really wants .40 anymore. Okay, then, I'll buy one from somebody else. You're a good salesman, you can come over to my house and fuc...my si...never mind.
I don't have a sister.
I'm all about the facts man 
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:38:46 AM EDT
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A 9mm MIGHT expand and make a bigger hole. The .40 sure won't shrink to make a smaller hole. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What will a .40 do that a 9 won't do just as well? A 9mm MIGHT expand and make a bigger hole. The .40 sure won't shrink to make a smaller hole. 1mm isn't making a difference with modern bonded JHP ammo.
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:40:12 AM EDT
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Sold off my 40 stuff and stick with 9/.45. Actually lean more towards 9mm now. Never thought I would say this fifteen years ago.
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:41:21 AM EDT
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I'm about to add a Beretta Cougar 8040F to make for 4 .40 Berettas.
My choice, my likes. Looking forward to getting more ammo for practice and fun as well as what is good for 'SD'. I respect and thank you all for your comments and personal opinions and obsevations. What we all want is a 'phaser on stun', except for the obvious situations where 'kill' or 'implode' would be more appropriate! 
I'm stickin' with the .40 for now. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:43:45 AM EDT
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Also yesterday at the range (had it to myself) someone left a pile of 10mm brass laying there. I had to restrain myself from picking it up cause I'd then have to buy a 10mm gun. You all know how it is. It's the only .40 cal round worth having IMO.
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:46:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: from a purely gunsmith level the round sucks because it beats the hell out of its 9mm parent frame when compared to 9mm... a 40cal built up from the bottom would be ok... True. That's why I got rid of my .40 HiPower. Also the Keltec Sub2000 shares the same recoil spring between 9/40. I hear they are making heavier bolts,etc on the aftermarket to compensate. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:46:45 AM EDT
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Also yesterday at the range (had it to myself) someone left a pile of 10mm brass laying there. I had to restrain myself from picking it up cause I'd then have to buy a 10mm gun. You all know how it is. It's the only .40 cal round worth having IMO. You let 10mm brass lay on the ground? I think that should be against the 11th commandment. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:50:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many people have you shot? Pro tip: bullets don't do what you think they do. No round "Knocks dicks in the dirt" Trust me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Here is a dirty little secret: Unless you are shooting at someone in body armor (primarily LEO's) the mass of the bullet matters most. Sure, velocity matters, you don't want slingshot velocity. But a big ol .45 slug will put your target on his ass better than anything lighter. PERIOD. I prefer to knock the fucker DOWN. YMMV. How many people have you shot? Pro tip: bullets don't do what you think they do. No round "Knocks dicks in the dirt" Trust me. This. Except rifle rounds. And 10mm. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:51:20 AM EDT
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No, .40 S&W is a compromise, and like most compromises it sucks. It's not big/powerful enough to satisfy .45 ACP & 10mm guys, and doesn't really perform much, if any better than 9mm Luger.
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Posted: 2/17/2016 1:03:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You let 10mm brass lay on the ground? I think that should be against the 11th commandment. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Also yesterday at the range (had it to myself) someone left a pile of 10mm brass laying there. I had to restrain myself from picking it up cause I'd then have to buy a 10mm gun. You all know how it is. It's the only .40 cal round worth having IMO. You let 10mm brass lay on the ground? I think that should be against the 11th commandment. I know.  Hopefully someone made use of it. I almost went back today to see if it was still there but it's a forty mile trip. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 2:53:01 AM EDT
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My Cougar choice now alleviates the desire for the .40 Hi-Power.
Also placing my Beretta 96's as a viable back-up. Next, as the 1911 is 'THE PISTOL OF PISTOLS', giving me a new champion of the .40. Or, maybe a Desert Eagle variant of the CZ75 with the Walther/Beretta slide-mounted saefty for operational familiarity. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 7:59:35 AM EDT
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You simply can't be that retarded. You're pretending to be an idiot, right? Like just a parody of a whiney, cry-baby pussy, yes? Tell me you're not serious with this hackneyed, pitiful approach. Please? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Which one of you saying the 40 is weak are gonna be the first to take one to the chest? You'll be okay, right? Just a 40. Full disclosure, I own a G22, M&P40 Pro, Mechtech 40 conversion and an STI Edge in 40. You simply can't be that retarded. You're pretending to be an idiot, right? Like just a parody of a whiney, cry-baby pussy, yes? Tell me you're not serious with this hackneyed, pitiful approach. Please? Take it easy there, Magnum. This is GD right? |
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