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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:40:58 PM EDT
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How many actually seize those opportunities of a chance to get clean? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58424/IMG_0619-297264.JPG |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:42:21 PM EDT
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It's pretty obvious there are two people in this thread that don't deal with junkies. My dept is going to make us start toting narcan in the near future... 
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:44:37 PM EDT
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dude, you have no idea |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:45:24 PM EDT
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It's pretty obvious there are two people in this thread that don't deal with junkies. My dept is going to make us start toting narcan in the near future... |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:46:43 PM EDT
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Narcan is like Amazon Prime for repeat customers of CIA imported afgan heroin and that's why the government is not going to stop it Lab reports on 'heroin' in my area is almost all synthetics. Chinese chemical brew coming through from Mexico and Canada these days.... measurable true, actual heroin is the exception in lab reports I've seen for the past few years. And even that is mostly grown/processed from Mexico. Afgan heroin mostly stays in Europe from what I've heard. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:47:24 PM EDT
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Ok, then it's pretty obvious there's one guy that doesn't deal with junkies and another who is totally and completely delusional. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:47:30 PM EDT
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Pretty sure all the holy people died, too. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:48:29 PM EDT
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My Trillion-dollar idea... don't steal it because it's mine.
There should be a low level of Narcan in every Mountain Dew bottle produced and sold. Has anyone anywhere EVER been to an OD where there wasn't a Mountain Dew bottle within arms reach? 
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:49:07 PM EDT
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ok, then dont narcan them. What is delusional about this life or death subject? Professionally, I'll hit them with it if I have to. ETA: Let me clarify, if the need presents itself, I will provide it. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:52:08 PM EDT
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Personally, I don't mind if they die at all and further prefer it for those habitual junkies- you know, the sort that comprise the majority of narcan users. Better for society and their families in the long run. Professionally, I'll hit them with it if I have to. ETA: Let me clarify, if the need presents itself, I will provide it. 
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:54:24 PM EDT
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sorry dude, the I dont mind if they die and prefer it sentence is jaded as fuck |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:00:42 PM EDT
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Many folks would be surprised at how many heroin or opioid addicts want to get out of the heroin buying loop. I used to work in a state that required anyone on parole or probation to get official permission before they would be allowed into a Methadone program (alternative to heroin that has treatment with it). I was one of the state level people who could grant permission to enter those programs.
I figured that anyone who has enough sack to ask me if I would grant permission really wants to get out of the loop, and is asking for help. Asking for help is one of the hardest things to get to, so I NEVER denied permission for anyone who asked me to enter those programs. At the very least, even if they stay addicted to methadone, they are out of the loop of having to do crimes to score so the don't get sick from withdrawal. And that is a cost savings for society. It is buckets cheaper to give them methadone than it is to catch, prosecute, incarcerate, and process people through the system. People get clean when they want to, not any sooner. An additional odd thought is that Fentanyl is so powerful that around 20 pounds of pure fentanyl could probably probably supply every heroin addict in the country with enough opioid to keep them off heroin for a year. Think of the cost savings if they just gave it away, (although the bureaucracy to do so would be staggering.). It is an odd thought to give opioids away, but then the question about do we use narcan, or do we tell those who take the free fentanyl that they are automatically precluded from receiving narcan. It brings up some interesting morality questions, and questions about how society wants to handle the opioid addiction issue. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:04:51 PM EDT
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Many folks would be surprised at how many heroin or opioid addicts want to get out of the heroin buying loop. I used to work in a state that required anyone on parole or probation to get official permission before they would be allowed into a Methadone program (alternative to heroin that has treatment with it). I was one of the state level people who could grant permission to enter those programs. I figured that anyone who has enough sack to ask me if I would grant permission really wants to get out of the loop, and is asking for help. Asking for help is one of the hardest things to get to, so I NEVER denied permission for anyone who asked me to enter those programs. At the very least, even if they stay addicted to methadone, they are out of the loop of having to do crimes to score so the don't get sick from withdrawal. And that is a cost savings for society. It is buckets cheaper to give them methadone than it is to catch, prosecute, incarcerate, and process people through the system. People get clean when they want to, not any sooner. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:05:06 PM EDT
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There are plenty of people out there who will only ever improve this world by leaving it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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sorry dude, the I dont mind if they die and prefer it sentence is jaded as fuck Preach, but they don't hear you. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:06:46 PM EDT
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Has nothing to do with getting clean.
Ed |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:07:49 PM EDT
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so lets not save somebody that we know we can save, who might be able to rebound and live as a productive member of society We take drunks to detox or the tank |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:07:59 PM EDT
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We don't require the same stipulations to enter a methadone program and they are somewhat effective, but I fully agree that the offender has to want it. It's easy to get in here and just about free for asking- but most of the time they won't even pretend to be interested until they're about to catch a rap on something else or they are facing prison time. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:11:27 PM EDT
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Fatties require more medical calls and ambulance rides than junkies. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:12:34 PM EDT
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Ever had folks you've administered it too come unglued, pissed and wanna fight 'cause you killed their high? Seen it a bunch of times! |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:13:13 PM EDT
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sure have, worked for them too and I did my job so who lives and who dies...how many narcans are ok?? Ed |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:16:34 PM EDT
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How is bringing someone out of a OD saving them ? They are just going to do it again and there is plenty of proof of that. How many slips does it take a drunk to get sober? |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:19:55 PM EDT
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Has nothing to do with getting clean. Ed |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:29:50 PM EDT
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do you not know ANY recovering drug addicts? There are many How many slips does it take a drunk to get sober? I gave up being a Volunteer EMT/ Firefighter because 300 calls to drunks and druggies a year was wasting my time. Fuck Drunks and Druggies, every last one of them can die right in front of me and I wouldn't give them CPR with my boot. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:39:11 PM EDT
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Not one, I only worked in Law Enforcement for 25 years and was a volunteer EMT/Fire Fighter for awhile. I gave up being a Volunteer EMT/ Firefighter because 300 calls to drunks and druggies a year was wasting my time. Fuck Drunks and Druggies, every last one of them can die right in front of me and I wouldn't give them CPR with my boot. glad you got out, that shit messed with ya |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:52:06 PM EDT
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thats crazy talk. just because you dont know any doesnt mean they are not there glad you got out, that shit messed with ya So how many Drunks and Druggies lives do you save a day or weekly for that matter ? |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:56:59 PM EDT
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cant get clean if your dead and somebody could have brought you out Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Has nothing to do with getting clean. Ed |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:05:16 PM EDT
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In NJ 2014 - Oct. 2016 Narcan was used 18,000 times.
What do you think it is now, a good guess would be 75,000 easily. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:07:52 PM EDT
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Local ambulance has narcan'd the same person 6 times in one week. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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2nd, 3rd? Try 5 + Eventually, however... their lives run out. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:07:58 PM EDT
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HUH, you live in fucking Kansas and your telling people that deal with this shit everyday in places with 1.5 million people around them in some spots what life is like for these addicts. So how many Drunks and Druggies lives do you save a day or weekly for that matter ? sherrifs dept county residential center But I didnt volunteer, I got paide metro kc has a pop of 2.1mil |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:12:26 PM EDT
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In NJ 2014 - Oct. 2016 Narcan was used 18,000 times. What do you think it is now, a good guess would be 75,000 easily. They thought about doing the same with narcan recoveries at first, but first responders would have uniforms that would resemble a third world dictator after a year. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:16:29 PM EDT
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Ok I'll play , inpatient, outpatient treatment ,probation, parole, methadone centers, county detox ect sherrifs dept county residential center But I didnt volunteer, I got paid You know their name because they keep coming back after being arrested. The revolving door of get in trouble , get taken care of, act up and get attention. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:16:38 PM EDT
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I'm ok with narcan but they should be forced to get clean, not rehab, jailed. Otherwise the cycle continues.
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:22:30 PM EDT
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Most likely a nurse then. So no experience dealing with the streets, just people in custody or under court order. How many of them kept coming back as volunteers to get clean ? You no doubt know everyone of them by name right ? You know their name because they keep coming back after being arrested. The revolving door of get in trouble , get taken care of, act up and get attention. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:23:15 PM EDT
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Most likely a nurse then. So no experience dealing with the streets, just people in custody or under court order. How many of them kept coming back as volunteers to get clean ? You no doubt know everyone of them by name right ? You know their name because they keep coming back after being arrested. The revolving door of get in trouble , get taken care of, act up and get attention. You want them dead, we established that. they arent the taliban We have nothing else to discuss. Kewl? Every heard of Kansas City Missouri jeesh. metro area how old are you |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:24:37 PM EDT
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Id give anything if my daughter had a second or third or fourth chance, been awhile but still think about her every day.
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:25:28 PM EDT
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Ok I'll play , inpatient, outpatient treatment ,probation, parole, methadone centers, county detox ect sherrifs dept county residential center But I didnt volunteer, I got paid most of yo'all are like a roving death squad and you have opened my eyes big time Quote HistoryQuoted:
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HUH, you live in fucking Kansas and your telling people that deal with this shit everyday in places with 1.5 million people around them in some spots what life is like for these addicts. So how many Drunks and Druggies lives do you save a day or weekly for that matter ? sherrifs dept county residential center But I didnt volunteer, I got paid most of yo'all are like a roving death squad and you have opened my eyes big time I suppose the bleeding hearts will call that positive progress. I see it as prolonging an opioid abuse hell that some people call "a life". In case you are wondering - I have seen people OD and stop breathing on drugs...and from things they have used because they have no money for drugs. They were the walking dead. Just because they walked (poorly - mostly) - doesn't mean they were alive. And as people - they were scum. One of them stole from me. Even decades after he did that - the outcome of his addiction-fueled theft was the worst thing that would ever happen to him in his entire lifetime. I'm pretty certain of that. No-one on this planet could save him from himself. Not a person - not 100 doses of Narcan. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:26:17 PM EDT
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dude, I know hardcore heroin addicts and alcoholics that have been clean and sober for 25 years so dont tell me what I know. You want them dead, we established that. they arent the taliban We have nothing else to discuss. Kewl? dude dude dude dooodd |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:29:25 PM EDT
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dude dude dude dude dooodd |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:31:25 PM EDT
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do you not know ANY recovering drug addicts? There are many How many slips does it take a drunk to get sober? After that they should be on their own. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:32:46 PM EDT
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dude, I know hardcore heroin addicts and alcoholics that have been clean and sober for 25 years so dont tell me what I know. You want them dead, we established that. they arent the taliban We have nothing else to discuss. Kewl? Every heard of Kansas City Missouri jeesh. metro area how old are you Edit to add; KC Missouri has less the 500,000 people. Please stop you'r lies. I'm 52 if you must know. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:38:14 PM EDT
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Or perhaps those of us you may deem insensitive to the welfare of chronically overdosing addicts may have grasped that the use the Narcan has not only done nothing to have the slightest positive effect on the opioid epidemic - and simply allows addicts to use opioids for many more years and be dragged back from death's doorstep over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. I suppose the bleeding hearts will call that positive progress. I see it as prolonging an opioid abuse hell that some people call "a life". In case you are wondering - I have seen people OD and stop breathing on drugs...and from things they have used because they have no money for drugs. They were the walking dead. Just because they walked (poorly - mostly) - doesn't mean they were alive. And as people - they were scum. One of them stole from me. Even decades after he did that - the outcome of his addiction-fueled theft was the worst thing that would ever happen to him in his entire lifetime. I'm pretty certain of that. No-one on this planet could save him from himself. Not a person - not 100 doses of Narcan. but maybe not everyone who tries it will end like that maybe a narcan will wake the fuck out of somebody and you will neva hear from them again. You see one end game and I see another |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:39:03 PM EDT
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you say nobody thats every been narcaned has stayed clean? I call bullshit the .gov wants to throw billions at people that wont stay clean?? |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:48:53 PM EDT
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Yes. no easy answer for sure |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:51:40 PM EDT
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I never said I want them dead, I just have no sympathy for their filth and every thing that goes with it. Edit to add; KC Missouri has less the 500,000 people. Please stop you'r lies. I'm 52 if you must know. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:57:47 PM EDT
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Has nothing to do with getting clean. Ed Ed |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:59:51 PM EDT
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I don't care and the druggies don't either. Ed |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 7:00:36 PM EDT
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Isnt the Narcan taking away the best chance to get clean forever?
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Posted: 9/2/2017 7:00:42 PM EDT
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For the 10th time, KC METRO. google is your friend |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 7:02:22 PM EDT
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I'm ok with narcan but they should be forced to get clean, not rehab, jailed. Otherwise the cycle continues. That change only comes if they make the decision to do it for themselves. We can offer help, but the overwhelming majority of Narcan 'saves' aren't ready to get clean and as a result they cycle continues. I wish we could force a junkie to get clean... but it just doesn't happen. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 7:03:07 PM EDT
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Do we think addicts are very aware of Narcan and it's ability to save them.?
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