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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:08:18 PM EDT
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Because they've been doing it for 2 years and have their egos invested in the failure of the president. No one wants that. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:08:49 PM EDT
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Way to personal attack another poster, cupcake. I expect nothing less from you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah he's such a failure. What is your net worth? PS. Saw that same pic on Occupy Democrats....something stinks. That's my guess. What a fucking smart ass!!! 
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:10:47 PM EDT
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NeverTrumpers always see the negatives in Trump's decisions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm just here to watch the trumps leg humpers who think he's some conservative messiah have a fucking meltdown. 
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:14:15 PM EDT
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Unlike the Trumpalos, who always see things clearly |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:18:19 PM EDT
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Getting to say "I told you so!" is not worth Trump climbing into bed with Schumer and Pelosi. No one wants that. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:18:22 PM EDT
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The fact remains that 3 crucial senators used liberal talking points as their justification for voting no. It is Congress's fault...........I can come to no other conclusion. Trump just proved that he can convince 3 liberal reps to do something. So trump failed as well. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:18:46 PM EDT
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Holy shit, Trump is that rat pressing the cocaine button:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/07/trump-calls-nancy-pelosi-chuck-schumer-news-coverage-242441 Upbeat Trump raves to Schumer, Pelosi about news coverage of their deal The president called the Democratic leaders after striking a budget deal that Republicans hate. Many Republicans were furious with President Donald Trump's budget deal Wednesday, stunned that the president quickly gave in to Democratic demands to pair hurricane relief with a three-month debt limit hike — though getting nothing in return. But in calls with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi Thursday morning, Trump raved about the positive news coverage it had received, according to people familiar with the calls, and he seemed very pleased with his decision. Trump specifically mentioned TV segments praising the deal and indicated he'd been watching in a call with Schumer, two people said. And he was jovial in a call with Pelosi and agreed to send a tweet she asked for about the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, these people said, while also mentioning the attention the deal had gotten. He indicated to both leaders he would be willing to work together again. "He seemed super upbeat," one person familiar with the calls said. Another person familiar with the calls said Trump told Pelosi and Schumer their coverage was even better than his. “The press has been incredible,” Trump said. Pelosi herself bragged that she had gotten results after asking him to tweet reassurances that Dreamers shouldn't worry about being deported over the next six months while lawmakers try to secure a DACA fix. “I was telling my colleagues, ‘This is what I asked the president to do,' and boom boom boom, the tweet appeared," she said at a news conference Thursday. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:19:20 PM EDT
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Trump failed to convince 3 crucial senators to vote yes who were using liberal talking points. Trump just proved that he can convince 3 liberal reps to do something. So trump failed as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The fact remains that 3 crucial senators used liberal talking points as their justification for voting no. It is Congress's fault...........I can come to no other conclusion. Trump just proved that he can convince 3 liberal reps to do something. So trump failed as well. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:21:41 PM EDT
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We see the silver lining. We read between the lines. some of us didn't need Trump to clue us in but if there's another silver lining here, please do share |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:26:46 PM EDT
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I can't help it............"tapioca enemas". What a fucking smart ass!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah he's such a failure. What is your net worth? PS. Saw that same pic on Occupy Democrats....something stinks. That's my guess. What a fucking smart ass!!! |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:33:01 PM EDT
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Still waiting. Why is a 3 month debt limit extension to pass hurricane funding indicative of Trump becoming a full-blooded Democrat? Not talking points. Not memes. Not hysterics. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If someone can give me rational reasons why a 3 month debt limit extension is somehow the end of conservatism and means Trump is now suddenly going to go full Democrat, I'm willing to read it. Why is a 3 month debt limit extension to pass hurricane funding indicative of Trump becoming a full-blooded Democrat? Not talking points. Not memes. Not hysterics. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:33:26 PM EDT
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Still waiting. Why is a 3 month debt limit extension to pass hurricane funding indicative of Trump becoming a full-blooded Democrat? Not talking points. Not memes. Not hysterics. Remember when Obama wanted debt limit extensions and the Dems wanted a longer extension and Republicans wanted a very short one? It's all about getting leverage to push an agenda. Short timeframes favor those who don't control the majority and Oval Office. Basically they showed they are much better negotiators than Trump. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:34:53 PM EDT
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This thread proves that #NeverTrumpers are Democrats. Some DailyKos, DU talking points.
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:35:35 PM EDT
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We see the silver lining. We read between the lines. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:36:55 PM EDT
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The reason Democrats wanted 3 months is because of the leverage they obtain. The end of the year makes it a high priority to get things passed and they can then laden those bills with their want items to get their agenda going. Remember when Obama wanted debt limit extensions and the Dems wanted a longer extension and Republicans wanted a very short one? It's all about getting leverage to push an agenda. Short timeframes favor those who don't control the majority and Oval Office. Basically they showed they are much better negotiators than Trump. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Still waiting. Why is a 3 month debt limit extension to pass hurricane funding indicative of Trump becoming a full-blooded Democrat? Not talking points. Not memes. Not hysterics. Remember when Obama wanted debt limit extensions and the Dems wanted a longer extension and Republicans wanted a very short one? It's all about getting leverage to push an agenda. Short timeframes favor those who don't control the majority and Oval Office. Basically they showed they are much better negotiators than Trump. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:37:46 PM EDT
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This thread proves that #NeverTrumpers are Democrats. Some DailyKos, DU talking points.
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:38:47 PM EDT
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The reason Democrats wanted 3 months is because of the leverage they obtain. The end of the year makes it a high priority to get things passed and they can then laden those bills with their want items to get their agenda going. Remember when Obama wanted debt limit extensions and the Dems wanted a longer extension and Republicans wanted a very short one? It's all about getting leverage to push an agenda. Short timeframes favor those who don't control the majority and Oval Office. Basically they showed they are much better negotiators than Trump. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Still waiting. Why is a 3 month debt limit extension to pass hurricane funding indicative of Trump becoming a full-blooded Democrat? Not talking points. Not memes. Not hysterics. Remember when Obama wanted debt limit extensions and the Dems wanted a longer extension and Republicans wanted a very short one? It's all about getting leverage to push an agenda. Short timeframes favor those who don't control the majority and Oval Office. Basically they showed they are much better negotiators than Trump. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:46:18 PM EDT
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This thread proves that #NeverTrumpers are Democrats. Some DailyKos, DU talking points. Their goal is to fuck up threads and goad members into "personal attacks." They are only here to disrupt any conversation about Trump and the mods are allowing it for some reason. It's a fucking shame that some people are buying their "oh so you want to live in an echo chamber?" bullshit defense after they post nonstop condescending remarks toward anyone who supports the POTUS. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:49:02 PM EDT
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To the detriment of reality and credibility. Trump makes a deal with democrats over the debt ceiling and suddenly it confirms everyone's suspicions that he is "closet liberal". Nevertrumpers haven't been right yet so why are you so credible again? |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:50:39 PM EDT
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the only silver lining here is that some previously disengaged dolts that never thought about politics much until the Trumpster fire kicked off, are now "woke" to the reality of politics. some of us didn't need Trump to clue us in but if there's another silver lining here, please do share |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:53:46 PM EDT
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The part in red is flawed. If Trump was really sympathetic to dreamers, the easiest thing to do would be to ignore DACA and let it keep going forward. I dont know exactly what Trump is doing. It does look like he's positioning this to hit at the start of mid terms. I'm fucking disgusted by Congress and will vote against my Rep (R - Ann Wagner) in the primary and will vote for the most conservative candidate running for Claire McCaskill's seat in the Senate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://hotair.com/archives/2017/09/06/trump-sides-pelosi-schumer-gop-backing-short-term-debt-ceiling-hike/ Conservatives who oppose a debt-ceiling increase without spending concessions will celebrate that they get another crack at this in December, but the joke’s on them. The only thing Trump really wants from Democrats is funding for the wall, and he foolishly thinks that a big debt ceiling/shutdown showdown right before Christmas will increase his leverage to get it. In fact, it increases Schumer’s leverage: Democrats will inevitably support a clean debt-ceiling hike if need be, leaving Trump faced with the dilemma of whether to risk a default by standing firm on wall funding, which every one of his advisors will be urging him not to do, or to cave and embarrass himself. If he’s dead set on a fight over the wall, he should have insisted on a long-term debt-ceiling increase in order to take the risk of default off the table and focused on government funding instead. Ryan and McConnell are veterans of debt-ceiling brinksmanship and know from experience how stupid and futile it is. Trump’s going to learn the hard way. Maybe we need to learn the hard way too by actually hitting the ceiling. Let’s get on with it.
If you’re resolved to believing that Trump is playing eight-dimensional rather than one-dimensional chess here, the best I can offer you by way of a theory is that he wants the DREAM Act to pass and realizes that maximizing Schumer’s leverage is the easiest way to make it happen. Now that Dems have a new debt-ceiling fight coming, Schumer could hold out for a DREAM bill as part of it — and Trump, who’s sympathetic to DREAMers, could agree to sign it while pretending that his hand was forced. “That bastard Schumer is going to let the U.S. default on its debts if I don’t agree to this DREAM thing! I have no choice!” That wouldn’t be good for Trump’s alpha-male brand but it’ll solve his DACA problem, at least. Exit question: This is twice in 24 hours that POTUS has scored an own-goal in negotiations. Has this guy even read “The Art of the Deal”? If Trump was really sympathetic to dreamers, the easiest thing to do would be to ignore DACA and let it keep going forward. I dont know exactly what Trump is doing. It does look like he's positioning this to hit at the start of mid terms. I'm fucking disgusted by Congress and will vote against my Rep (R - Ann Wagner) in the primary and will vote for the most conservative candidate running for Claire McCaskill's seat in the Senate. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:01:47 PM EDT
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I don't make predictions but I will say this won't end as badly as you want it to end. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the only silver lining here is that some previously disengaged dolts that never thought about politics much until the Trumpster fire kicked off, are now "woke" to the reality of politics. some of us didn't need Trump to clue us in but if there's another silver lining here, please do share I predict the debt ceiling will be increased and a version of DACA will be passed in congress and signed into law by Trump. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:03:46 PM EDT
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If someone can give me rational reasons why a 3 month debt limit extension is somehow the end of conservatism and means Trump is now suddenly going to go full Democrat, I'm willing to read it. Why is a 3 month debt limit extension to pass hurricane funding indicative of Trump becoming a full-blooded Democrat? Not talking points. Not memes. Not hysterics. There is no chance of "default." The 14th Amendment REQUIRES that paying our debt (and military pensions) has primacy over other spending. The Default Myth is the boogeyman of Big Government Liberals (be they RINO or Democrat). |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:04:55 PM EDT
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This thread proves that #NeverTrumpers are Democrats. Some DailyKos, DU talking points. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:06:14 PM EDT
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Do you think him working with Schumer/Pelosi is any different than him working with Ryan/McConnell? |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:09:51 PM EDT
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I want this to end with no debt ceiling increase and no DACA, and no cooperation with Pelosi/Schumer I predict the debt ceiling will be increased and a version of DACA will be passed in congress and signed into law by Trump. "No debt ceiling increase" with this congress? Yeah right! "No DACA" after Obama got away with unconstitutionally dictating it? Yes, it will get legalized in some form and we can only hope Trump wins a border wall and some kind of reform. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:11:10 PM EDT
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When it comes to deficit spending, and debt limit, somebody tell me what is the difference between the demorats or the RINOs that control Congress at this time?
Somebody? Is that our resident "never trump" on the top of this page but with different screen name? |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:12:58 PM EDT
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Your version of events are credible? lol Trump makes a deal with democrats over the debt ceiling and suddenly it confirms everyone's suspicions that he is "closet liberal". Nevertrumpers haven't been right yet so why are you so credible again? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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To the detriment of reality and credibility. Trump makes a deal with democrats over the debt ceiling and suddenly it confirms everyone's suspicions that he is "closet liberal". Nevertrumpers haven't been right yet so why are you so credible again? I'm pointing out that your "god emperor" has no clothes. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:14:15 PM EDT
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The people who condemn getting in bed with Pelosi and Schumer are Democrats? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread proves that #NeverTrumpers are Democrats. Some DailyKos, DU talking points. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:14:43 PM EDT
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When it comes to deficit spending, and debt limit, somebody tell me what is the difference between the demorats or the RINOs that control Congress at this time? Somebody? |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:17:11 PM EDT
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Be careful, now one of them will report you. Apparently, even blanket statements are no longer allowed when discussing the... Trump-disliking gentlemen of ARFCOM. Their goal is to fuck up threads and goad members into "personal attacks." They are only here to disrupt any conversation about Trump and the mods are allowing it for some reason. It's a fucking shame that some people are buying their "oh so you want to live in an echo chamber?" bullshit defense after they post nonstop condescending remarks toward anyone who supports the POTUS. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread proves that #NeverTrumpers are Democrats. Some DailyKos, DU talking points. Their goal is to fuck up threads and goad members into "personal attacks." They are only here to disrupt any conversation about Trump and the mods are allowing it for some reason. It's a fucking shame that some people are buying their "oh so you want to live in an echo chamber?" bullshit defense after they post nonstop condescending remarks toward anyone who supports the POTUS. Do you really think that is a great idea? I do not. Most of us have never been a nevertrumper. We are the ones that do not like negotiating with the enemy!!! But you people seem to think this is great because Trump is talking great deals with the enemy!? That is a fucked up thinking! Plain and simple. That is not 5D chess. that is a WTF!!!! Why, it seems that you people think that if hitlery was a Senator and Trump was making great deals with her, you would think that is great because fuck the GOPe? If you do not see how fucked up this thinking is, you are just like the piss holders of obama but with Trump. We support Trump big time. That is why we are complaining about him dealing with the Dems, the same Dems that want to destroy him! Do you like losing all the time? I want more winning!!! MAGA!!! But you do not get it with doing deals with the enemy that wants to destroy him!!! Get it!!!!!! 
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:19:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:19:34 PM EDT
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I don't know any nevertrumpers. And I'm not one myself. I'm pointing out that your "god emperor" has no clothes. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:19:45 PM EDT
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Because you don't NEED a "debt limit extension" to pass hurricane funding. It's a lie. It's a liberal lie. There is no chance of "default." The 14th Amendment REQUIRES that paying our debt (and military pensions) has primacy over other spending. The Default Myth is the boogeyman of Big Government Liberals (be they RINO or Democrat). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If someone can give me rational reasons why a 3 month debt limit extension is somehow the end of conservatism and means Trump is now suddenly going to go full Democrat, I'm willing to read it. Why is a 3 month debt limit extension to pass hurricane funding indicative of Trump becoming a full-blooded Democrat? Not talking points. Not memes. Not hysterics. There is no chance of "default." The 14th Amendment REQUIRES that paying our debt (and military pensions) has primacy over other spending. The Default Myth is the boogeyman of Big Government Liberals (be they RINO or Democrat). If the debt increase for 3 months is as largely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things as it seems to be, then how is it simultaneously some big terrible betrayal against conservatives? I'm not trying to be witty or cute with my response here. I'm just completely lost at what I see to be two completely opposing arguments being made. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:20:17 PM EDT
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The reason Democrats wanted 3 months is because of the leverage they obtain. The end of the year makes it a high priority to get things passed and they can then laden those bills with their want items to get their agenda going. Are those Republican leaders of Congress seeking to give the Democrats more leverage over the spending bill? |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:20:39 PM EDT
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When it comes to deficit spending, and debt limit, somebody tell me what is the difference between the demorats or the RINOs that control Congress at this time? Somebody? Is that our resident "never trump" on the top of this page but with different screen name? The GOP has lost it's opportunity. Face the horror. They used the time they had to place one USSC justice and otherwise to raise the middle finger to the fucks that elected someone they disapproved of. That's what they did, this is where we are now. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:22:39 PM EDT
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There is no difference. The RINOs do not want to shut down the government and will do whatever is necessary to keep it from happening which means negotiating with democrats. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When it comes to deficit spending, and debt limit, somebody tell me what is the difference between the demorats or the RINOs that control Congress at this time? Somebody? Now how are we going to fix it? Trump? He has now shown that he is willing to go work with the Dems to pass their Liberal agenda |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:23:59 PM EDT
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Trump has just lied to someone? His voters? or to Nancy his new friend?
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:25:16 PM EDT
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Trump is no "god emperor" and he has clothes. He is the president that is put in a position to either fight with the GOPe and eventually concede or concede to democrats without a fight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't know any nevertrumpers. And I'm not one myself. I'm pointing out that your "god emperor" has no clothes. Give up without a fight? MAGA |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:28:46 PM EDT
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Muh debt limit!
It is a bargaining chip you fucking idiots. Give and take If republicans don't want to unite and get shit done, you are going to have to suck a few dicks |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:28:59 PM EDT
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I think Trump is positioning himself as the power broker between the two parties. Both parties have things they'd like to get done. So far, the Republicans have just pissed off opportunities and the dems have been REEEEEEEEEing. So Trump is saying that there is a potential deal for either side, if you're willing to negotiate. He's basically Clint Eastwood from A Fistful of Dollars. He's going to play one off the other in order to get his agenda passed.
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:29:56 PM EDT
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Glad we all agree Now how are we going to fix it? Trump? He has now shown that he is willing to go work with the Dems to pass their Liberal agenda |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:31:09 PM EDT
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Damn Give up without a fight? MAGA |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:32:41 PM EDT
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Trump is no "god emperor" and he has clothes. He is the president that is put in a position to either fight with the GOPe and eventually concede or concede to democrats without a fight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:32:47 PM EDT
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Why are the Republicans in Congress planning to pass a short term spending bill before the end of the fiscal year and then passing another one ... in December? Are those Republican leaders of Congress seeking to give the Democrats more leverage over the spending bill? We will have to wait and see how the Republicans in congress actually vote on what Trump and Dems agreed to. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:34:11 PM EDT
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Muh debt limit! It is a bargaining chip you fucking idiots. Give and take If republicans don't want to unite and get shit done, you are going to have to suck a few dicks |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:34:15 PM EDT
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Pressure the GOP as much as possible. Vote the liberal ones out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glad we all agree Now how are we going to fix it? Trump? He has now shown that he is willing to go work with the Dems to pass their Liberal agenda 
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:35:25 PM EDT
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Now how are we going to fix it? Face the facts. Fresh off the shocking result of a majority in both houses and the presidency, the GOP turned into a back-stabbing den of vipers attacking each other, their voters, and the new POTUS relentlessly. Now the POTUS, that anyone with two functional brain cells knew was a bit of a mushy republican, has decided to work with those that are willing to work on the other team. People that run for this office are not going to be people that are fine with just holding the title for 4 years and doing nothing other than fend off the withering attacks and demonization that goes with it. They believe they need to make a mark, and they will work to do so. I'm not here arguing it's a 4D chess move, I'm simply saying that it's not unexpected, nor inexplicable. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:36:04 PM EDT
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Both would end the same. At least this way he gets hurricane funding quick and painless. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:38:02 PM EDT
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Republicans wanted an 18 month increase. Dems and Trump want a 3 month. It is Trump seeking to give Dems leverage. We will have to wait and see how the Republicans in congress actually vote on what Trump and Dems agreed to. Are the Congressional Republicans seeking to give the Democrats leverage over the SPENDING BILL by passing one to fund the government for the next three months and then passing another one three months from now? |
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