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Posted: 10/22/2017 2:05:53 PM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
Pray tell. Care to explain the amount of current that occurs when you close two sources out of phase? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By Banditman:
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
3rd paragrpah 1st sentence .....see above. It's your house your family do as you wish. Do you have any loaded arms in your house? What keeps others from shooting it. People should be responsible for their own actions. But your post was pure stupidity. |
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Posted: 10/22/2017 3:12:43 PM EST
[#2]
Are any of you using one of these on a job site "daily" yet. I think that would
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Posted: 10/22/2017 4:05:32 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Concur. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By rsolomon:
Can we knock off all the "You're stupid!" "No you are!" nonsense? It's pretty clear there are folks here who are Ok with things like lawnmowers with the safety disabled, while others point out that leaving such things around is a liability. Sure, if everything goes right - i.e. the person with knowledge of the kludge is the only one who ever operates the equipment AND that person doesn't screw up - then plenty of the kludges are fine. I don't understand the need to berate someone for pointing out "If anything doesn't go perfectly with that setup then something very bad will happen". I feel like we've adequately covered the pros and cons of dual-male cords, lack of lockouts, etc... so can we stick to the excellent information this thread has been generating? (Pun intended) 
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Posted: 10/22/2017 7:51:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2tired2run]
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Posted: 10/22/2017 8:17:34 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryLooks about the same as the Quip All.
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Posted: 10/22/2017 10:59:29 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
Looks about the same as the Quip All. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:34:34 AM EST
[#7]
Sent the generator spreadsheet link out to those that have requested it, I think that I got everybody, let me know if I did not.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:35:16 AM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Desert_AIP:
looks identical except it's rated at 1600W, the Quip All is 1700W. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 6:46:53 AM EST
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:11:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: jefflebowski]
[#10]
Group buy on this diesel 5000w inverter genny?
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:25:19 AM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Group buy on this diesel 5000w inverter genny? Oh wait - thats says inverter generator ! I'd be interested. Company looks established - lots of copycat generators in their profile pictures. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:27:36 AM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Might still be identical, just manufacturers playing fast and loose with specs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
looks identical except it's rated at 1600W, the Quip All is 1700W. White seems like a poor color choice though. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:45:14 AM EST
[#13]
2kw Inverters are the next YETI cups. Can't wait until they are under $300.00.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:33:07 AM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Desert_AIP:
I suspect it is. White seems like a poor color choice though. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:33:21 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Desert_AIP:
looks identical except it's rated at 1600W, the Quip All is 1700W. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
Looks about the same as the Quip All. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:34:53 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
All of these models (that fit that chassis) seem to be equipped with a nearly identical 79cc gas engine. I find the minor difference in claimed performance to be highly suspect. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:38:13 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Someone on this forum is gonna Cerakote a genny, I have no doubt. http://www.skinit.com/ |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:48:57 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Oh yeah, it's just bullshit. I'm adding them all in as suspected Yamaha clones in my spreadsheet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
All of these models (that fit that chassis) seem to be equipped with a nearly identical 79cc gas engine. I find the minor difference in claimed performance to be highly suspect. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:31:48 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
Mind sending me a copy of the spreadsheet? |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 10:34:48 AM EST
[#20]
So, is the Harbor Freight 3500w inverter genny a Honda clone or something else?
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Posted: 10/23/2017 11:19:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: Gamma762]
[#21]
Here is an info/comparison page I found listing several different small generator models. Not a lot of info necessarily but might be helpful:
http://dennekreviews.com/best-2000-watt-inverter-generators/ Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
I suspect it is. White seems like a poor color choice though. I read something, somewhere, that seemed to say that Quip-All was a house brand of that vendor (CPO). The Ebay listing along with Amazon and a website all show out of stock and/or discontinued, so wonder if they're changing models or something. Can't help but notice the similarities of the Quip-All and Pulsar to a couple models branded Westinghouse, if there would be a less expensive branded version of the Westinghouse igen 2500 that would be pretty interesting. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 11:46:34 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DieselII:
$890.00 isn't a bad price for a diesel genset.. Oh wait - thats says inverter generator ! I'd be interested. Company looks established - lots of copycat generators in their profile pictures. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DieselII:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Group buy on this diesel 5000w inverter genny? Oh wait - thats says inverter generator ! I'd be interested. Company looks established - lots of copycat generators in their profile pictures. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 12:18:14 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Handydave:
Looking at the specs it says gasoline, TCI ignition, 5500rpm & 58 dbi. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Handydave:
Originally Posted By DieselII:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Group buy on this diesel 5000w inverter genny? Oh wait - thats says inverter generator ! I'd be interested. Company looks established - lots of copycat generators in their profile pictures. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 12:19:43 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Handydave:
Looking at the specs it says gasoline, TCI ignition, 5500rpm & 58 dbi. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Handydave:
Originally Posted By DieselII:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Group buy on this diesel 5000w inverter genny? Oh wait - thats says inverter generator ! I'd be interested. Company looks established - lots of copycat generators in their profile pictures. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 1:09:26 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762:
(snip)... I read something, somewhere, that seemed to say that Quip-All was a house brand of that vendor (CPO). The Ebay listing along with Amazon and a website all show out of stock and/or discontinued, so wonder if they're changing models or something. Can't help but notice the similarities of the Quip-All and Pulsar to a couple models branded Westinghouse, if there would be a less expensive branded version of the Westinghouse igen 2500 that would be pretty interesting. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 1:13:11 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryNo need for group buy, quantity 1-19 $940, qty 20+ $890
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Posted: 10/23/2017 1:19:04 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bones45:
No need for group buy, quantity 1-19 $940, qty 20+ $890 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bones45:
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Posted: 10/23/2017 1:36:43 PM EST
[#28]
To my eyes it looks like both the HF Predator and Quip-All versions copied the Yamaha 80CC engine. The Q-A's DC alternator(mounted back side of engine) looks to be identical to the Yamaha's also but the inverter box looks to be a copy of the Honda's.
 I don't have the HF Predator to look at, just Honda and Quip-All plus some online diagrams so take my opinion with a grain of salt. I did look at a Sportsman 2000W inverter and it was a different design altogether.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 2:23:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: Engineer5]
[#29]
I finally finished the five hour break in on my new Champion Digital Hybrid 4000/3500. Started easy each time. I'm running 91 octane no ethanol fuel. Book says it will run 10% blend just fine.....no thanks. Changed the oil and it was surprisingly clean. Comes with a nice little funnel, USB plug adapter and battery charging cable. Book list NGK equivalent plug so I went ahead and orderd a few of those to have on hand.
I have to say this one is louder than I thought on full speed. On ECO mode is much quieter of course. I did have it sitting out behind the garage which is a block wall so that didn't help with the sound. Thinking of building some kind of box/shelter for it or maybe running it out in the shed if need be. Also have an hour meter on order. For $497 shipped i'm happy. 
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Posted: 10/23/2017 2:54:29 PM EST
[#30]
Note: I'm using "80cc" to describe all of the 79.x CC engines.
The Westinghouse, Homelite, Paladin, and Milbank "side plug" (my term, think Yamaha style) generators are all made by ZHEJIANG EVERLAST POWER CO.,LTD. I'm not sure the name of the original manufacturer for the Duromax / Pulsar / Quip-All / Predator / Westinghouse iGen series, but they all appear to be just about the same (80cc) except for the higher wattage models (such as iGen 2500) having a 98cc engine. There is also a 80cc Duromax model that is 80cc but uses dual fuel (propane or gasoline). |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 3:11:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: Handydave]
[#31]
ON the digital inverter I put a wheel kit I ordered from amazon on mine.
open box was $28 I think. money well spent. I'm overall impressed with the unit. RatPatrol ran a larger champion for damn near 29 days straight so I'm hopeful for these Champion units. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 3:13:10 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Handydave:
ON the digital inverter I put a wheel kit I ordered from amazon on mine. open box was $28 I think. money well spent. I'm overall impressed with the unit. RatPatrol ran a larger champion for damn near 29 days straight so I'm hopeful for these Champion units. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 3:24:42 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
Note: I'm using "80cc" to describe all of the 79.x CC engines. The Westinghouse, Homelite, Paladin, and Milbank "side plug" (my term, think Yamaha style) generators are all made by ZHEJIANG EVERLAST POWER CO.,LTD. I'm not sure the name of the original manufacturer for the Duromax / Pulsar / Quip-All / Predator / Westinghouse iGen series, but they all appear to be just about the same (80cc) except for the higher wattage models (such as iGen 2500) having a 98cc engine. There is also a 80cc Duromax model that is 80cc but uses dual fuel (propane or gasoline). |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 3:26:56 PM EST
[#34]
Cross reference for the Westinghouse / Milbank / Paladin models. Not shown is the Homelite and ELP equivalents.
http://www.westinghouseportablepower.com/uploads/2015-november-westpro-milbank-paladin-cross-reference.pdf |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 3:38:08 PM EST
[#35]
Clone Generator Body Styles:
The "Westinghouse" (Westinghouse / ELP / Milbank / Paladin / Homelite / Powerstroke) 
The "Sportsman" (Sportsman / Dirty Hands) 
The "Yamaha" (Yamaha, Kohler) 
The "Coleman" (Coleman and ?) 
The "Predator 3500" (Predator and BE) 
The "Lifan Jr." (Lifan and several no name clones on eBay) 
The "Lifan Mama" (Lifan and several no name clones on eBay) 
The "Big Daddy Lifan" (Lifan and the Alibaba one above) 
The "Side Kick" (Duromax, Pulsar, Quip All, some Westinghouse, many other brands) 
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Posted: 10/23/2017 3:38:32 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Incoming. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 3:52:52 PM EST
[#37]
A few cheats to make it easier.
1) If there is a knob and two on/off switches on the unit, the unit can be run dry by turning the fuel knob off and leaving the power switch on. 2) If there is a knob and only one on/off switch, the on/off switch is for ECO mode. These units cannot have the fuel turned off to run the carb dry without modification. 3) Electric start is rare in units under 2800 watt. 4) Pull out chokes seem to be more durable in the smaller units than sliding lever chokes. 5) If two generator have the same engine size (let's say 80cc), it is unlikely that one will be considerably more powerful than the other. Differences are either a matter of allowing the engine to be run harder or allowing the inverter to be run hotter or both. 6) Small wheels and grass don't mix 7) Some units run off of propane and gasoline. In these cases, assume 10% - 15% less power when running on propane. In other words, if the generator is advertised as being 2000 starting watts and 1600 running watts, figure 1700 - 1800 starting watts and 1360 - 1440 running watts while using propane. 8) 240 volt AC is what you need to run most serious household stuff (dryer, home air conditioners, stove, etc). Only the very high end (5kw and up) inverter generators put out 240vac. These units are very expensive, costing 3 - 10 times as much as their traditional generator equivalents. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:00:27 PM EST
[#38]
More easy reference info:
Engine Size - Recommended Generator Wattage (max) 53cc - 1kw 80 - 100cc - 2kw 120 - 170cc - 2.5 - 3kw 171 - 220cc - 3 - 3.5kw If you see a 53cc engine in a generator claiming to be a 2kw or higher generator, don't buy it. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 6:13:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: two4spooky]
[#39]
You might also consider the wattage rating of these budget inverters with a little skepticism if you are comparing to something established like the Honda. The Honda EU2000i is rated at 1600W continuous, 2000W maximum for 30 minutes per the manual and seems to be capable of this. IME it will handle surges of 2200W with the red overload light coming on for 4 maybe 5 seconds, 4 seconds of red overload light on being acceptable per the manual.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 7:11:12 PM EST
[#40]
Got my Westinghouse in today. It's make an unhealthy sound when eco is turned off.
 Mystery rattle / scratching sound |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 7:15:54 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
Got my Westinghouse in today. It's make an unhealthy sound when eco is turned off.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_cpLPAqFqM |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 7:18:25 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gage:
Sounds like a couple loose bolts rattling from the vibration maybe? Hard to tell on my phone. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gage:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
Got my Westinghouse in today. It's make an unhealthy sound when eco is turned off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_cpLPAqFqM |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 7:25:48 PM EST
[#43]
Loose spark arrestor maybe
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Posted: 10/23/2017 8:56:24 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gman82001:
Loose spark arrestor maybe |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 9:32:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: JoseCuervo]
[#45]
Use a probe when it is making the noise to push on various parts (like a screwdriver, or your finger if it isn’t hot and you are brave) to see if the noise quits. Sometimes parts can be loose when the fastener isn’t.
In that case, return it, don’t bother wrenching on it. 
ETA: Does it do that under load? |
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Posted: 10/24/2017 5:56:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: jefflebowski]
[#46]
Product Name 3500 Watt Super Quiet Inverter Generator [BACK-ORDERED]
Price $649.99 Qty 1 Subtotal $649.99 Item #:63584  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/24/2017 8:11:45 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5:
I finally finished the five hour break in on my new Champion Digital Hybrid 4000/3500. Started easy each time. I'm running 91 octane no ethanol fuel. Book says it will run 10% blend just fine.....no thanks. Changed the oil and it was surprisingly clean. Comes with a nice little funnel, USB plug adapter and battery charging cable. Book list NGK equivalent plug so I went ahead and orderd a few of those to have on hand. I have to say this one is louder than I thought on full speed. On ECO mode is much quieter of course. I did have it sitting out behind the garage which is a block wall so that didn't help with the sound. Thinking of building some kind of box/shelter for it or maybe running it out in the shed if need be. Also have an hour meter on order. For $497 shipped i'm happy. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/004_JPG-341807.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/005_JPG-341808.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/003_JPG-341806.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/006_JPG-341813.jpg |
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Posted: 10/24/2017 1:42:50 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
Got my Westinghouse in today. It's make an unhealthy sound when eco is turned off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_cpLPAqFqM
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Posted: 10/24/2017 1:48:07 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By two4spooky:
Alternator? Got a stethoscope? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By two4spooky:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
Got my Westinghouse in today. It's make an unhealthy sound when eco is turned off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_cpLPAqFqM |
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Posted: 10/24/2017 1:52:43 PM EST
[#50]
I have a one time use 25% off code for Zoro if anyone needs it. It expires tomorrow.
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