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Posted: 2/8/2019 10:19:41 PM EDT
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Update 2/8
Not a lot of photos today. We did get a lot done, but it was a short day and time flashed by. Kids were in a good mood and many spent time reading the newspaper article I posted up on the board.  We had a very good time today, even though it was short.
Vent going in......  We like where we are at with the turbines, and also got some base paint on inside. 
We've got a good plan on some details nside the turbines. Those pieces are about ready to paint. 
Shock stack cover and landing gear cover also got close to finished. 
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Posted: 2/8/2019 10:25:29 PM EDT
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Update 2/8 Not a lot of photos today. We did get a lot done, but it was a short day and time flashed by. Kids were in a good mood and many spent time reading the newspaper article I posted up on the board. We had a very good time today, even though it was short.
Vent going in...... https://i.imgur.com/ooNDINc.jpg We like where we are at with the turbines, and also got some base paint on inside. https://i.imgur.com/AG84RvO.jpg We've got a good plan on some details nside the turbines. Those pieces are about ready to paint. https://i.imgur.com/0H7mLkK.jpg Shock stack cover and landing gear cover also got close to finished. https://i.imgur.com/pUC2bzP.jpg |
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Posted: 2/8/2019 10:33:27 PM EDT
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Amazing how good it is looking now that you are getting it together and getting some base coats on. The engine exhaust nozzles look awesome. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Update 2/8 Not a lot of photos today. We did get a lot done, but it was a short day and time flashed by. Kids were in a good mood and many spent time reading the newspaper article I posted up on the board. We had a very good time today, even though it was short.
Vent going in...... https://i.imgur.com/ooNDINc.jpg We like where we are at with the turbines, and also got some base paint on inside. https://i.imgur.com/AG84RvO.jpg We've got a good plan on some details nside the turbines. Those pieces are about ready to paint. https://i.imgur.com/0H7mLkK.jpg Shock stack cover and landing gear cover also got close to finished. https://i.imgur.com/pUC2bzP.jpg 
The problem comes when things start to stand out that are wrong. Things are so right, that every little thing like the cowlings or window mistakes stick out. I told the kids this means we did a good job because if it wasn't close, the little things wouldn't stick out so bad. 
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Posted: 2/8/2019 10:59:16 PM EDT
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Love these comments on on the latest helo video on Facebook from Seniors from last year. These guys were the major players in building the train. They know this circus way too well. ....
I miss them. I think we have to cut it in half and extend it about 1/4 of an inch but after that happens I think it needs to shrink 3" we miss being there too, the only enjoyable class of the day ;( |
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Posted: 2/8/2019 11:35:07 PM EDT
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Love these comments on on the latest helo video on Facebook from Seniors from last year. These guys were the major players in building the train. They know this circus way too well. ....
I miss them. |
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Posted: 2/8/2019 11:57:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2019 12:47:51 AM EDT
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So, a couple of weeks ago, I ended up spending the better part of a week hanging with some Aircraft Mechanics.
During one of our breaks, I pulled out my phone and started showing some of the guys pictures of your Blackhawk. I got some of the questions you're already used to by now, "This is a COLLEGE class, right?" etc. But the funniest one was when I was describing some of the efforts you were making to get it to look just right. One of the mechanics said, "Well, when it's flying, nobody will be able to see." That's when I realized he thought this was an R/C model. So, tell the kids at least one aircraft mechanic thinks she looks like she'll fly. |
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Posted: 2/9/2019 12:54:49 AM EDT
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So, a couple of weeks ago, I ended up spending the better part of a week hanging with some Aircraft Mechanics. During one of our breaks, I pulled out my phone and started showing some of the guys pictures of your Blackhawk. I got some of the questions you're already used to by now, "This is a COLLEGE class, right?" etc. But the funniest one was when I was describing some of the efforts you were making to get it to look just right. One of the mechanics said, "Well, when it's flying, nobody will be able to see." That's when I realized he thought this was an R/C model. So, tell the kids at least one aircraft mechanic thinks she looks like she'll fly. 
They will get a kick out of that. Seriously; they pretend like it sint a big deal, but you should see how much they puff up when I show them stories like this. 
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Posted: 2/9/2019 1:26:12 AM EDT
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@guns762 Any supplies or tools needed?
Great looking project as always. I always imagine the skills you are giving these kids while they construct these projects. Drop me a PM if there is anything you need. |
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Posted: 2/9/2019 7:11:38 PM EDT
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Continued: What else could we rework? How about the corner windows? 
The students pointed out when detailing the nose of our blackhawk that we don't have the windows right. And, they are right, so we cut out more skin. https://i.imgur.com/zctGmK9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/XpHXakn.jpg Addimg the removed material to our formed glass, to then role out as a pattern for new glass. https://i.imgur.com/w3bV6C4.jpg New glass being cut out. I was sure this guy was going to get upset when I told him what we were going to do, but he just smiled and dove right into making new glass. Good student.
https://i.imgur.com/2ocbtIS.jpg Shock/landing gear is Too "plumbing elbow" Should have flat flange/plate or at least a triangular bracket to lever "through" tying the horizontal damper with the vertical shock. I think if you just put a couple random flat pieces or spokes in a tetrahedral fashion to obscure the plumbing curve it's be enough. The front wheel has a different system, as it turns fully, so a way to keep it from being pushed sidewas is on it, as a flange up top, and a plate version of this, I'll try to find more images.  The problem created, however is a Mind bender. I used to be able to search for things related to blackhawks and Marine One without a problem. Something in internet broke, now the only results I get are photos posted in this thread, and links to this thread. 
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Posted: 2/10/2019 8:18:58 PM EDT
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@guns762 Any supplies or tools needed? Great looking project as always. I always imagine the skills you are giving these kids while they construct these projects. Drop me a PM if there is anything you need. 
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Posted: 2/10/2019 8:19:57 PM EDT
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You asked. There's another couple things, but this is the biggest one: Shock/landing gear is Too "plumbing elbow" Should have flat flange/plate or at least a triangular bracket to lever "through" tying the horizontal damper with the vertical shock. I think if you just put a couple random flat pieces or spokes in a tetrahedral fashion to obscure the plumbing curve it's be enough. The front wheel has a different system, as it turns fully, so a way to keep it from being pushed sidewas is on it, as a flange up top, and a plate version of this, I'll try to find more images. https://i.imgur.com/DoevTP3.jpg The problem created, however is a Mind bender. I used to be able to search for things related to blackhawks and Marine One without a problem. Something in internet broke, now the only results I get are photos posted in this thread, and links to this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Continued: What else could we rework? How about the corner windows?
The students pointed out when detailing the nose of our blackhawk that we don't have the windows right. And, they are right, so we cut out more skin. https://i.imgur.com/zctGmK9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/XpHXakn.jpg Addimg the removed material to our formed glass, to then role out as a pattern for new glass. https://i.imgur.com/w3bV6C4.jpg New glass being cut out. I was sure this guy was going to get upset when I told him what we were going to do, but he just smiled and dove right into making new glass. Good student.
https://i.imgur.com/2ocbtIS.jpg Shock/landing gear is Too "plumbing elbow" Should have flat flange/plate or at least a triangular bracket to lever "through" tying the horizontal damper with the vertical shock. I think if you just put a couple random flat pieces or spokes in a tetrahedral fashion to obscure the plumbing curve it's be enough. The front wheel has a different system, as it turns fully, so a way to keep it from being pushed sidewas is on it, as a flange up top, and a plate version of this, I'll try to find more images. https://i.imgur.com/DoevTP3.jpg The problem created, however is a Mind bender. I used to be able to search for things related to blackhawks and Marine One without a problem. Something in internet broke, now the only results I get are photos posted in this thread, and links to this thread. 
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Posted: 2/10/2019 8:23:12 PM EDT
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@guns762 Any supplies or tools needed? Great looking project as always. I always imagine the skills you are giving these kids while they construct these projects. Drop me a PM if there is anything you need. |
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Posted: 2/11/2019 3:22:08 PM EDT
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Big Thank You
To @Tim_in_CO Some HMX-1 swag showed up today. I'll let him explain the story where he rounded it up at.
ARFCOM is awesome. We will of course display this.
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Posted: 2/11/2019 8:13:16 PM EDT
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Big Thank You To @Tim_in_CO Some HMX-1 swag showed up today. I'll let him explain the story where he rounded it up at.
ARFCOM is awesome. We will of course display this.
https://i.imgur.com/oMm6fCf.jpg
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Posted: 2/11/2019 9:59:46 PM EDT
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Update 2/11
With many of the details on the top finished and not needing the proportional references to the fuselage, we pulled it off and worked on some fuselage details. The landing gear cowlings needed lowered. 
We also marked and cut down the hanging loops, making them less obnoxious. He is reinstalling them in this picture. 
Students sanded and tried to smooth out the skin on the top. 
More details for the turbine cowling 
We also flipped the fuselage upside down to work on the details on the bottom. Here our Electrical/Mechanical engineer in training from Rob poetics is showing me his plan for the door mechanism. We will begin installing parts of the framework soon. 
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Posted: 2/11/2019 11:11:45 PM EDT
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My inner 3rd grader is coming out when I look @ the engine/transmission cowling....
"Spaceship!" I just about cooked under one of those flying in a bird in Kuwait. Was much more pleasant flying over the Persian Gulf. |
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Posted: 2/12/2019 4:14:44 PM EDT
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Update 2/11 With many of the details on the top finished and not needing the proportional references to the fuselage, we pulled it off and worked on some fuselage details. The landing gear cowlings needed lowered. https://i.imgur.com/pkGUmjn.jpg We also marked and cut down the hanging loops, making them less obnoxious. He is reinstalling them in this picture. https://i.imgur.com/11b6qNR.jpg Students sanded and tried to smooth out the skin on the top. https://i.imgur.com/sGMsKPS.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Rm6JDm9.jpg More details for the turbine cowling https://i.imgur.com/bHrW39Y.jpg We also flipped the fuselage upside down to work on the details on the bottom. Here our Electrical/Mechanical engineer in training from Rob poetics is showing me his plan for the door mechanism. We will begin installing parts of the framework soon. https://i.imgur.com/D9FN8Nz.jpg
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Posted: 2/12/2019 8:30:49 PM EDT
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Robotics actually showed up? TopMen doesn't need to spend Spring Break putting it together? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Update 2/11 With many of the details on the top finished and not needing the proportional references to the fuselage, we pulled it off and worked on some fuselage details. The landing gear cowlings needed lowered. https://i.imgur.com/pkGUmjn.jpg We also marked and cut down the hanging loops, making them less obnoxious. He is reinstalling them in this picture. https://i.imgur.com/11b6qNR.jpg Students sanded and tried to smooth out the skin on the top. https://i.imgur.com/sGMsKPS.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Rm6JDm9.jpg More details for the turbine cowling https://i.imgur.com/bHrW39Y.jpg We also flipped the fuselage upside down to work on the details on the bottom. Here our Electrical/Mechanical engineer in training from Rob poetics is showing me his plan for the door mechanism. We will begin installing parts of the framework soon. https://i.imgur.com/D9FN8Nz.jpg
Robotics has been working quietly in the background . We set to be on the right track. |
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Posted: 2/12/2019 8:40:29 PM EDT
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Update 2/12
We got the first coat of paint on the "Rocket Sled". We need to flip it over tomorrow and work on the parts we missed. 
 We worked on what we think are the steps that extend out on Marine One's underside. They are different on both sides. 
We didn't get quite finished with the cover. 
We also got both front quarter windows reshaped, and they look marvelous.
Somehow that picture turned out blurry. 
We are dangerously low on rivets again.  Someone suggested me might find some thumb tacks locally with the same 7mm size head. I might look around. We salvaged a few that won't show after the steps are installed. The windows are going to need to have them line the outer edges when we get closer to finished.
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Posted: 2/12/2019 11:23:44 PM EDT
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Top_Men still owes me a new submarine motor.
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Update 2/11 With many of the details on the top finished and not needing the proportional references to the fuselage, we pulled it off and worked on some fuselage details. The landing gear cowlings needed lowered. https://i.imgur.com/pkGUmjn.jpg We also marked and cut down the hanging loops, making them less obnoxious. He is reinstalling them in this picture. https://i.imgur.com/11b6qNR.jpg Students sanded and tried to smooth out the skin on the top. https://i.imgur.com/sGMsKPS.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Rm6JDm9.jpg More details for the turbine cowling https://i.imgur.com/bHrW39Y.jpg We also flipped the fuselage upside down to work on the details on the bottom. Here our Electrical/Mechanical engineer in training from Rob poetics is showing me his plan for the door mechanism. We will begin installing parts of the framework soon. https://i.imgur.com/D9FN8Nz.jpg
Robotics has been working quietly in the background . We set to be on the right track. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 8:55:04 AM EDT
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How did he break the sub motor by working on the shuttle? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Update 2/11 With many of the details on the top finished and not needing the proportional references to the fuselage, we pulled it off and worked on some fuselage details. The landing gear cowlings needed lowered. https://i.imgur.com/pkGUmjn.jpg We also marked and cut down the hanging loops, making them less obnoxious. He is reinstalling them in this picture. https://i.imgur.com/11b6qNR.jpg Students sanded and tried to smooth out the skin on the top. https://i.imgur.com/sGMsKPS.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Rm6JDm9.jpg More details for the turbine cowling https://i.imgur.com/bHrW39Y.jpg We also flipped the fuselage upside down to work on the details on the bottom. Here our Electrical/Mechanical engineer in training from Rob poetics is showing me his plan for the door mechanism. We will begin installing parts of the framework soon. https://i.imgur.com/D9FN8Nz.jpg
Robotics has been working quietly in the background . We set to be on the right track.  
We think either the motor wore out, or possibly a bad connection to the solar panel is the culprit. The other prop still runs. As for our helicopter, I realized early this morning about 3:30am, we for got to sculpt the bumps in front of the intakes. We had the stuff set out Friday, and a student selected, and I guess we forgot .
We will have to address that before anymore paint goes on. Ooops. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 1:43:06 PM EDT
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Top_Men still owes me a new submarine motor.
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Update 2/11 With many of the details on the top finished and not needing the proportional references to the fuselage, we pulled it off and worked on some fuselage details. The landing gear cowlings needed lowered. https://i.imgur.com/pkGUmjn.jpg We also marked and cut down the hanging loops, making them less obnoxious. He is reinstalling them in this picture. https://i.imgur.com/11b6qNR.jpg Students sanded and tried to smooth out the skin on the top. https://i.imgur.com/sGMsKPS.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Rm6JDm9.jpg More details for the turbine cowling https://i.imgur.com/bHrW39Y.jpg We also flipped the fuselage upside down to work on the details on the bottom. Here our Electrical/Mechanical engineer in training from Rob poetics is showing me his plan for the door mechanism. We will begin installing parts of the framework soon. https://i.imgur.com/D9FN8Nz.jpg
Robotics has been working quietly in the background . We set to be on the right track. 
A DMM wile cure your problem fine, or without tools, swap motors and see if other one runs in place of the 'dead' one. That'd narrow it down to motor, controller or power. After that,if it's not 'motor', you'll need a DMM, but it's pretty straightforward. Should get an extra couple motors of each 'type' as they likely won't cataloged item in a couple years, so if still 'get'-able, they'll incude a $100 sur charge (that's how they fine people that use old design, energy efficient crappy junk they push, even though these exact motors were their "top motor' two years ago.. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 9:58:21 PM EDT
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Update 2/13
It felt like we didn't get much done today, as we mostly did prep work for more paint on the fuselage and rocket sled.  The bumps in front of the intakes. They need some blending with paper mache. 
We are getting close on the forward landing gear cowlings. 
The retractable steps .....and plenty of rivets. We are also prepping the areas for the pods on the bottom. 
We also got some base blackhawk paint on the starboard side of the tail. We will have to airbrush a more subtle transition. 
HMX-1 logo is looking great. 
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Posted: 2/14/2019 2:53:54 PM EDT
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Update 2/14
The tshirts always make me smile.
Second coat going on the bottom. We are beginning to plan out our details and how we want the paint to fade. 
Base coat of Blackhawk side..... 
We decided to see how the fade was going to work with FB41's airbrush he sent us last year. You can see how we kind of want this to fade from one to the other. 
May need to have a little softer transition, but we found out we can do it, and the consistency of paint we need to make it work. 
I grabbed two different tints for the glass at lunch. We are going to try 20% and maybe use 35% in a couple areas. We will mess with those this afternoon. They polished up the windows this morning to get them all ready. |
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Posted: 2/14/2019 8:57:40 PM EDT
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Little more Valentine's Day update.
I'm reminding students that just because we are adding some base coat paint, we are not done with details. We won't get everything, but will try to get as many as we can. This includes more rivets. These will be the hinges on the nose. 
A student pointed out that these were too tall and wanted to remove them and trim them down; she did. 
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:38:19 AM EDT
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Short Friday will be a little less efficient today with out my swimmers and wrestlers who will all be at regionals.
Hopefully we can get more base coat down, and we can assign people to start scrutinizing close up photos for details. If you've got close-ups of either 101st Airborne Medevac, or Marine One Whitehawk choppers, post them up for us. We have very few close ups. We won't get every detail. It just isn't possible, but I tell the students the ore we get, the more believable it becomes, and the more people will ignore our flaws.
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Posted: 2/15/2019 10:45:38 PM EDT
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Update 2/15
Our former SRO officer stopped by today and told me he's been working on trying to get us a helicopter visit from the WY National Guard. He's talked to several different people and they were even discussing dates. He was surprised one of them had not talked to me since he visited with them. He showed them pictures of the project and he said they were shocked st the size, scope, and that H.S. Students were doing it. They thought we were making a small model.
Might be closer than we think to getting a real blackhawk to come visit us this spring.
More base coat painting today. 
Transfers are ready for next week. 
Our Mr. Kuhn to stand next to President Trump. A few years a go, kids started a Kuhn for President campaign for him. He always starts each assembly with a Goooooo! Panthers! with his finger in the air. 
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Posted: 2/16/2019 5:35:43 AM EDT
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Looks good, and the WY Nat'l guard thinking it was a 'model', like from Testors that you throw together to get sizes and a better idea of proprtions by looking at in your hand?
I'll only talk about the pods: Doors have a seam down the middle, like two concave slots that flip open in the few I've seen.Though one was .MIL and one was AF1, but I forgot which is which not sure if new one or old one. The tear shaped pods on the other hand... (I've not interrupted.. lately) On the pods, gentle convex all the way around, no sudden changing to straight or even concave. The pods right now sort of remind me of "tangents to the shape, with 'n' =3 for fit, numping it up to 8 iterations to make the entire surface concave would give a better profile visually and aerodynamically. Animations of approximating a curve with tangents, consider the lines strips and it looks like it was done with 3-5 "strips", with each corner rounded over. Bump number of strips high and there won't be a sudden change in curvature. You need not approach infinity # of lines, I'm just trying to get the idea out there: Here's a curve made with a bunch of straight lines, it has something that makes it special from a boring circle. You don't need this many tangents, but imagine tha shape seen if there were only4 straight lines and the rest were removed? 
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Posted: 2/16/2019 9:45:06 AM EDT
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Looks good, and the WY Nat'l guard thinking it was a 'model', like from Testors that you throw together to get sizes and a better idea of proprtions by looking at in your hand? When I first emailed the White House, I kept thinking, even if they do take the time to watch the youtube link to the past projects, their vision of what we will finish with is probably still based on those same preconceived ideas. It's just natural for people to discount what the outcome will be. 
I even see the look in faculty members here when I explain what we are making, and they've seen all the other projects in person.
It does make the reveal more fun, looking at the faces of people when they see it for the first time in person. My wife only sees pictures most of the time and I see the same look in her face when she finally goes in to see it .
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Posted: 2/16/2019 12:55:12 PM EDT
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Online now.......
http://www.powelltribune.com/stories/president-commends-phs-art-students-for-their-terrific-work,17558 That is awesome!
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Posted: 2/16/2019 2:46:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2019 11:32:41 PM EDT
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Update 2/19
Busy day, so the update is late.
We started detail painting the gloss black on the intakes today. 
The intake bumps also got some paper mache. 
More small details on the nose of Marine One. 
More coats of base paint all around today. 
These little guys also got more work done today. 
We managed to get a couple windows tinted today. 
Checking for fit. 
Robotics working on the rollers for the sliding door. 
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Posted: 2/20/2019 9:34:27 PM EDT
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Update 2/20
Tomorrow we may be ready to flip the fuselage back over right side up.
The Woods dept started the plaque presentation case for our Presidential letter.
The final windows were molded today to fit the door, then the students added some light tint to them. 
We are going with a darker tint for the lower corner windows. 
More and more details to the rocket sled. 
Students measured out location marks for the flags. 
We also blend the cowlings to the roof, as we've seen in our references. New paint was added after some smoothing out where the flags will go. 
Base coat is getting closer to done, and our landing gear cowlings are slowly finishing up. 
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Posted: 2/20/2019 11:17:04 PM EDT
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For the long paint fade, tip: Set up a wooden railing along the fade line, back a bit, angled with it. Then the spray hand moves along the railing at a constant speed. That will give you a continuous smooth fade. Lower railing 3", move faster with trigger all the way back
Lower railing 3", move fast as possible with trigger halfway back. Substitute 3" with "2/3 fan height" depending on spraying method. Fade complete, professional level. No wobbly lines or 'drifts' of grey into green or inverse of that. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 11:23:12 PM EDT
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For the plaque and letter, be sure to use cover glass with Extra UV blocking, seal the wood around the glass, put thin gasket around glass seat, go to metal shop, flush the area with as much nitrogen as possible while seating glass.
Or buy a frame with a valve and all that crap, the Enhanced UV full block glass is most important, nitrogen atmosphere would need to be renewed every few years, probably leading to it getting ripped, so maybe nix that idea, unless they want to install a discreet purge/fill valve. |
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Posted: 2/20/2019 11:26:37 PM EDT
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For the plaque and letter, be sure to use cover glass with Extra UV blocking, seal the wood around the glass, put thin gasket around glass seat, go to metal shop, flush the area with as much nitrogen as possible while seating glass. Or buy a frame with a valve and all that crap, the Enhanced UV full block glass is most important, nitrogen atmosphere would need to be renewed every few years, probably leading to it getting ripped, so maybe nix that idea, unless they want to install a discreet purge/fill valve.
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Posted: 2/20/2019 11:47:53 PM EDT
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IM sent!
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:01:08 AM EDT
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Not sure we can get that fancy. The UV glass might be possible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the plaque and letter, be sure to use cover glass with Extra UV blocking, seal the wood around the glass, put thin gasket around glass seat, go to metal shop, flush the area with as much nitrogen as possible while seating glass. Or buy a frame with a valve and all that crap, the Enhanced UV full block glass is most important, nitrogen atmosphere would need to be renewed every few years, probably leading to it getting ripped, so maybe nix that idea, unless they want to install a discreet purge/fill valve. Moisture and oxygen feed mites and UV yellows paper. It becomes tattered without any touch unless it's a pure environment of Nitrogen without excess dissolved water. Most all paint sops or framing shops can cut you a piece of Block all UV glass (not just minimize it, like a car windshield). Try Tru-View, might get a free sample for that if they get a photo of letter and link to newspaper article on it. Info about why UV destroys everything from woodwork, paintings to books Ozone is another bad thing, it's a super strong bleach in gas form) They make/sell coatings for standard glass you might get an approrately szied "sample" for. Or, just order it from Tru-View on Amazon, if they turn you down on a free request. Get it pre-cut properly if you can, there are lamination on it, making the normal scratch n snap method difficult. Many sizes to choose from, Seems the price is around $50 as shipping charges go up and bigger ones get prime..  
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Posted: 2/21/2019 8:29:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/21/2019 8:31:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd have to say that requirement to preserve an important archival document on display. It's not every High School, or Teacher that gets a legit, hand signed personal letter from the President. I hope you have it held flat in a non-humid environment, away from thieving types that "just wanted to show parents at home". Moisture and oxygen feed mites and UV yellows paper. It becomes tattered without any touch unless it's a pure environment of Nitrogen without excess dissolved water. Most all paint sops or framing shops can cut you a piece of Block all UV glass (not just minimize it, like a car windshield). Try Tru-View, might get a free sample for that if they get a photo of letter and link to newspaper article on it. Info about why UV destroys everything from woodwork, paintings to books Ozone is another bad thing, it's a super strong bleach in gas form) They make/sell coatings for standard glass you might get an approrately szied "sample" for. Or, just order it from Tru-View on Amazon, if they turn you down on a free request. Get it pre-cut properly if you can, there are lamination on it, making the normal scratch n snap method difficult. Many sizes to choose from, Seems the price is around $50 as shipping charges go up and bigger ones get prime.. www.amazon.com/dp/B01AJZHZC6 There is a local store that might have it. There used to be a framing store years ago that I know had it, but they retired and went out of business.
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:15:36 PM EDT
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Woodshop is working to integrate real glass, and I think I've got some framed pieces of artwork in my garage that have U.V glass in them. I can use that if we have to.
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:24:24 PM EDT
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Update 2/21
We worked to get our platform ready to support the fuselage while on top of the lift. It also allowed us to flip the fuselage back over, right side up. 
Time to work on small details, and a couple more coats of paint. 
We are hoping to get the top painted white before too long. 
Hopefully this afternoon, we will get the flags on the top and be able to put it back on the fuselage. 
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:56:05 PM EDT
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I'll get on the search. There is a local store that might have it. There used to be a framing store years ago that I know had it, but they retired and went out of business.
I might get resistance to having real glass in the frame due to safery and the possibility of breakage, but I might be able to have a film installed to minimize shattering. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I'd have to say that requirement to preserve an important archival document on display. It's not every High School, or Teacher that gets a legit, hand signed personal letter from the President. I hope you have it held flat in a non-humid environment, away from thieving types that "just wanted to show parents at home". Moisture and oxygen feed mites and UV yellows paper. It becomes tattered without any touch unless it's a pure environment of Nitrogen without excess dissolved water. Most all paint sops or framing shops can cut you a piece of Block all UV glass (not just minimize it, like a car windshield). Try Tru-View, might get a free sample for that if they get a photo of letter and link to newspaper article on it. Info about why UV destroys everything from woodwork, paintings to books Ozone is another bad thing, it's a super strong bleach in gas form) They make/sell coatings for standard glass you might get an approrately szied "sample" for. Or, just order it from Tru-View on Amazon, if they turn you down on a free request. Get it pre-cut properly if you can, there are lamination on it, making the normal scratch n snap method difficult. Many sizes to choose from, Seems the price is around $50 as shipping charges go up and bigger ones get prime.. www.amazon.com/dp/B01AJZHZC6 There is a local store that might have it. There used to be a framing store years ago that I know had it, but they retired and went out of business.
I might get resistance to having real glass in the frame due to safery and the possibility of breakage, but I might be able to have a film installed to minimize shattering.
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Posted: 2/21/2019 6:20:59 PM EDT
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Alright ARFCOM, our printed model decals are not going to work. The color just isn't intense enough, and the decals are too fragile at this size.
I need a set of American Flag vinyl stickers that are close to 6"x9". Or! What does a vinyl sticker printer cost?
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Posted: 2/21/2019 6:31:19 PM EDT
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Alright ARFCOM, our printed model decals are not going to work. The color just isn't intense enough, and the decals are too fragile at this size. I need a set of American Flag vinyl stickers that are close to 6"x9". Or! What does a vinyl sticker printer cost? Best shot is buying a US Flag printed on white vinyl sheet instead of 3 layers of vinyl for red/white/blue. For decals, call your local vinyl shop and ask for a quote, if you offer to weed it yourself, you'll get it cheaper, also if you provide your own transfer masking to lay down once the weeding is done. Cut vinyl negatives are exactly how I did many of the firearm designs, including the Milwaukee, "reverse" weeded it, put the sticker "negative" on, painted the white for 2 coats (pull off vinyl in between so it's not welded to finish). Then clear coat the entirety and finish up with matte clear. No vinyl on stock afterward, just used as "masking tape shaped exactly right" to lay down DuraCoat. 
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Posted: 2/21/2019 6:43:24 PM EDT
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Alright ARFCOM, our printed model decals are not going to work. The color just isn't intense enough, and the decals are too fragile at this size. I need a set of American Flag vinyl stickers that are close to 6"x9". Or! What does a vinyl sticker printer cost? |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 6:45:13 PM EDT
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A few more from today.
White top going on. 
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Posted: 2/21/2019 6:48:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Put a base decal on first that is nothing but white, then apply the color decal on top. This will make the colors stand out.
We may try just printing to quality photo paper, then gluing it on. We did that with the flags on the Space Shuttle and they turned out pretty nice. Probably what we will do again. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 6:49:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Best shot is buying a US Flag printed on white vinyl sheet instead of 3 layers of vinyl for red/white/blue. For decals, call your local vinyl shop and ask for a quote, if you offer to weed it yourself, you'll get it cheaper, also if you provide your own transfer masking to lay down once the weeding is done. |
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